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tomder55 · Jul 28, 2009, 05:57 AM

Back in December of 2007 I questioned the veracity of the (NIE) National Intelligence Estimate regarding the ongoing Iranian nuclear program.

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/curren...am-159069.html

This NIE undercut the Bush adm. Efforts to ratchet up the pressure on the homicidal ,delusional ,messianic mullahs running Iran ,to prevent them from developing a nuclear arms program. His critics used the report as proof that the Bush foreign policy was driven by a hardline ideology that ignored the best estimates of the intelligence community .

The NIE stated that the Iranians had abandoned their program 4 years earlier and therefore there was no need to continue to pursue a policy of pressure on the Iranians.

But a new report based on Germany's intelligence agencies disputes the conclusions of the 2007 NIE.

President Obama has committed to trying diplomacy to stop the Iranian bomb. Time, though, is on the mullahs' side, not least because so much of it was wasted after the 2007 U.S. National Intelligence Estimate made the improbable case that Iran had suspended its nuclear weapons program in 2003. This assessment not only contradicted previous U.S. intelligence consensus but -- as recent court documents show -- also the conclusions of a key U.S. ally with excellent sources in Iran -- Germany.
The Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND), Germany's foreign intelligence agency, has amassed evidence of a sophisticated Iranian nuclear weapons program that continued beyond 2003. This usually classified information comes courtesy of Germany's highest state-security court. In a 30-page legal opinion on March 26 and a May 27 press release in a case about possible illegal trading with Iran, a special national security panel of the Federal Supreme Court in Karlsruhe cites from a May 2008 BND report, saying the agency "showed comprehensively" that "development work on nuclear weapons can be observed in Iran even after 2003."

The politicized 2007 NIE report undermined the Bush Administration's efforts to rally international support for tough action against Iran. The world's best hope is that the Obama Administration is not being fed the same false sense of security.

Germany's Spies Refuted the 2007 NIE Report - WSJ.com

While the US intel agencies were deliberately undermining Bush policy in my view ;the Germans were gathering evidence the Iranian bomb program was advancing . Further ; it his highly doubtful the Germans did not share the intel they were gathering with their US counterparts.

So who was politicizing intelligence ? If the Senate and House Intel committees are looking to investigate perhaps they should begin to find out who and why in the intel agencies thought that they could change the direction of US foreign policy with deceit and a clear betrayal of US national interest.

speechlesstx · Jul 28, 2009, 06:43 AM

I read that last week and it's amazing how little coverage it received. Has anyone in the media even asked members of the Intel committees - or anyone else for that matter - for comment?

ETWolverine · Jul 28, 2009, 01:04 PM

First of all, it is being suppressed to protect Stretch Pelosi. Anything that deals with the CIA is a political hot potato for Pelosi right now. SHE certainly can't bring up the idea of the CIA lying... not after her accusations against the CIA backfired so badly.

Second, I don't know why the CIA would publicly put out anything truthful that deals with their operations. Isn't it counter-productive to publicly state what it is they know about their enemies? If the enemy finds out what you know about them, there's a good chance that they will burn your source. Figuring out WHAT someone knows is often a good way of figuring out who they got the information from.

Third, anything that proves the NIE to be false (whether by accident or on purpose) and that Iran is closer to getting nukes than anyone is willing to admitt is proof that Obama's policies are even WORSE for national security than we originally thought.

The entire concept of a publicly published NIE seems counter-intuitive to me. The fact that the CIA lies to me and you... I've got no problem with that.

But the fact that the CIA lied to the President in order to effect national policy... that's disturbing.

Elliot