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speechlesstx · Jun 11, 2013, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, Steve:

I've heard this stuff before, but I wanna make sure I understand your position... You believe that you should DENY underage pregnant females the RIGHT to buy Plan B, because an abuser would use it to cover up his crime.. And, you believe there are ENOUGH predators out there to justify your position...

I think you've been reading TOOO many detective magazines..

excon

I think you've been reading too many left-wing blogs.

Sex trafficking in the USA hits close to home

See I know personally a couple that works to rescue these women and girls in New Orleans. I know their M.O. I know how they get their victims and I know it's a HUGE problem in this country.

Aside from the traffickers, if you don't believe there are enough perverts out there to warrant concern you're deluded. Ask the folks in Cleveland, or the family in Iowa, or West Philly.

In my opinion ONE is too many, and given the skill with which the government has handled health care so far, the IRS, our privacy, Benghazi, etc. you can bet they're going to do a bang-up job being parents, too. Me, I'd rather let parents do the job.

cdad · Jun 11, 2013, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

I didn't say children, I said females. And yes sexually active ones should have the means to protect themselves. And YES 14 year olds are engaging in sex. Yes they should be protected from their mistakes.

Be great if they were abstinent but that's not happening is it, after centuries of preaching and laws against it. That's just reality for me, since the alternative is unwanted pregnancy and abortions, and I don't like those alternatives.

Here is where I have the problem. You seem to be advocating for the child to make the decisions over and above any safegaurds. In Roe v Wade the only way it passed and was made legal was that a doctor had to be present. It was the doctors decision. Not just that of the patient. In allowing the child to make the decision you are subverting the decisions made under Roe v Wade. Without parental consent nor that of a doctor you stand the chance of hurting the very person you advocate to protect. Lets say for example you have an "active" teen and they think they are pregnant. You know like the many questions we get here on AMHD and most of those are from adults. They can self medicate by going from place to place. No safegaurds. Nothing to protect them from themselves. That to me is a travisty.

talaniman · Jun 11, 2013, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by cdad

Here is where I have the problem. You seem to be advocating for the child to make the decisions over and above any safegaurds. In Roe v Wade the only way it passed and was made legal was that a doctor had to be present. It was the doctors decision. Not just that of the patient. In allowing the child to make the decision you are subverting the decisions made under Roe v Wade. Without parental consent nor that of a doctor you stand the chance of hurting the very person you advocate to protect. Lets say for example you have an "active" teen and they think they are pregnant. You know like the many questions we get here on AMHD and most of those are from adults. They can self medicate by going from place to place. No safegaurds. Nothing to protect them from them selves. That to me is a travisty.

The safeguards Cdad are with the government ensuring a safe product for sale to the public and I too share the safety concerns. Also being doctors follow the law and not just be one of many doctors a patient seeks out unknown to the other doctor. The loophole some people can exploit is they are not connected to a central data base that pharmacist can use to see who is abusing that loophole in the law.

Self medicators are very smart.

speechlesstx · Jun 11, 2013, 09:53 AM

Why should little girls need emergency contraception, Tal? Why should a six-year-old girl have access to emergency contraception? Do you really not see a problem here one way or another?

talaniman · Jun 11, 2013, 09:55 AM

6 year old girls? Where did you get that from? Not me.

speechlesstx · Jun 11, 2013, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

6 year old girls? where did you get that from? Not me.

The judge's order was to make it available without age restriction. To their credit the administration tried for limiting it to 17 and older, the FDA offered 15 and older but the judge said no dice, no restrictions, and Obama caved.

So tell me, why do little girls need access to emergency contraception? Why would a six year old need access to emergency contraception, Tal?

NeedKarma · Jun 11, 2013, 12:15 PM

Why would a six year old need access to emergency contraception

Six year old can't get pregnant - basic biology. Not sure why you're setting up that red herring.

speechlesstx · Jun 11, 2013, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Six year old can't get pregnant - basic biology. Not sure why you're setting up that red herring.

OK, make it 10, or 12, or...

List of youngest birth mothers

1 Age 5
2 Age 6
3 Age 8
4 Age 9
5 Age 10

Apparently they can.

talaniman · Jun 11, 2013, 01:19 PM

Maybe the judge was thinking of 13, and 14 year olds that are sexually active, but are you really worried about 6 year olds? Okay just read your links and agree with the judge. That's really creepy about those young mothers. OUTRAGEOUS is a good word for what happened to them.

cdad · Jun 11, 2013, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Maybe the judge was thinking of 13, and 14 year olds that are sexually active, but are you really worried about 6 year olds?

I think any girl pregnant under the legal age of consent needs to have some sort of protection in place. Its obvious by the behavior that there isn't a safegaurd for the child already. Also I understand how they bend the rules in many states but how many do we as a nation want to put at risk?

There is a reason they don't let children make decisions in a court room and reasons for an adult to be held accountable for that child.

talaniman · Jun 11, 2013, 01:32 PM

It's a world problem from the links, and an old one. Damn scary too.

speechlesstx · Jun 11, 2013, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Maybe the judge was thinking of 13, and 14 year olds that are sexually active, but are you really worried about 6 year olds? Okay just read your links and agree with the judge. That's really creepy about those young mothers. OUTRAGEOUS is a good word for what happened to them.

I don't care what the judge was thinking, a 13-year-old girl should not be able to buy emergency contraception and parent should still have rights.

Wondergirl · Jun 11, 2013, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I don't care what the judge was thinking, a 13-year-old girl should not be able to buy emergency contraception and parent should still have rights.

If she is having unprotected sex, what do you suggest she do if she thinks rationally the next morning about possible pregnancy?

talaniman · Jun 11, 2013, 02:10 PM

Responsible parents do have rights. Obviously you assume all13 year old have responsible parents, many do not. Too many.

speechlesstx · Jun 11, 2013, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

If she is having unprotected sex, what do you suggest she do if she thinks rationally the next morning about possible pregnancy?

Talk to her parents.

speechlesstx · Jun 11, 2013, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Responsible parents do have rights. Obviously you assume all13 year old have responsible parents, many do not. Too many.

That was predictable. Many a 13-year-old is also quite manipulative, they're not stupid. I guess you've never heard of a kid going to PP, or an uncle, or an aunt or someone else and put on the "I can't talk to my parents" show. Parents deserve the benefit of the doubt, they should not be bypassed when it comes to their children.

Wondergirl · Jun 11, 2013, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Talk to her parents.

The parents are the last to know what their daughter is doing -- and too often don't care.

talaniman · Jun 11, 2013, 03:10 PM

Weeding out the good from the bad parents, and the bad kids from the good ones is also a big problem.

paraclete · Jun 12, 2013, 01:36 AM

Julia Gillard's war on men has back fired an turned into a war on women

PM targets 'men in blue ties'
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-06-1...d-onli/4748826

A would be politician targets Gillards feminie characteristic at a political fun raiser and all sorts of politicians are ducking for cover it seems when you paly the gender card things turn nasty

paraclete · Jun 12, 2013, 04:50 AM

Haa haa haa, the quail with the littlered box was joke, what a cover up and to think this dill wants to be leader, give me a break, how to sink you chances?

I think this is a put up job, too fortuitous, just when Julia had embarrassed herself by playing the gender card, now she is the victim. Dirty tricks start early in this campaign

All I can say is down, down, the price of quail is down, down