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    Jan 24, 2013, 06:04 PM
    Voter suppression didn't work, so they're trying to steal elections another way..
    Hello:

    Republicans who live in the blue states that are run by red legislatures and Republican governors, have hatched a NEW plan to reverse the will of the people. Instead of the winner taking ALL the electoral college votes, they want to ascribe those votes to congressional districts.

    If that scheme had been in effect in 2012, even though Obama won the popular vote, 51% to 47%, Romney would be president...

    Should we let them steal our democracy?

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    Jan 24, 2013, 06:13 PM
    Get over it... it was fine when the Democrats did it... so its fine for us to do it.
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    Jan 24, 2013, 06:15 PM
    Hello smoothy:

    Nahhh... The Democrats never did this.. Every state is winner take all..

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    Jan 24, 2013, 06:18 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello smoothy:

    Nahhh... The Democrats never did this.. Every state is winner take all..

    excon
    Do you actually believe that... ever see the jerrymandered voting districts in blue states?

    Ever wonder what's really behind the people that want to make DC a state rather than return it to MD like the law actually would require.(you got it.. Democrats trying to steal more elections)... you know like part of Northern VA that was once part of DC after it was carved out of MD and VA for the purpose of having a Capital not in part of a state.
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    Jan 25, 2013, 04:07 AM
    I can attest to that.. I'm in my 3rd congressional district in the last 12 years. Each new change I end up with a more progressive rep. At least with Eliot Engel I had a rep who agreed with me for the most part on American foreign policy. Now I have been handed off to Nita Lowey ;an incurable flaming lib. This is also the 2nd time my neighborhood has been carved out of our county and added to a district on the other side of the Hudson River.

    Ex ;like it or not ,the States assign the allocation of the Electoral votes for their state. It is no different than the plan some blue states concocted where they would ignore the state vote and assign their electors to the candidate who won the national popular vote even if the people of the state voted for the other candidate .

    Hmmm "blue "states that have Republican governors and majority legislatures.. I assume the people of the "blue state " will be sufficiently outraged to oust the Governor and legislature.
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    Jan 25, 2013, 05:09 AM
    If that scheme had been in effect in 2012, even though Obama won the popular vote, 51% to 47%, Romney would be president...
    Nope .
    If the congressional district system had been used in these six states , instead winner takes all , Romney would have won 61 electoral votes in those states and 45 for Obama. . Obama's margin would have been reduced from 332-206 to 271-267.He still would've won the national election.

    It is no different than the plan some blue states concocted where they would ignore the state vote and assign their electors to the candidate who won the national popular vote even if the people of the state voted for the other candidate
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    http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/
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    Jan 25, 2013, 05:21 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello smoothy:

    Nahhh... The Democrats never did this.. Every state is winner take all..

    excon
    There are 2 states that assign electors in proportion to the state vote.
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    Jan 25, 2013, 06:14 AM
    Hello again,

    Ok, Democrats aren't immune from tampering when THEY have the chance. As a nation, we're ALL being cheated when it happens.

    Here's the deal... This ISN'T going to fly.. Americans will NOT put up with a LOSER, and a LOSER by a big margin becoming president. If you think we will, you're not living in the same country I do. Given this push, and last summers voter suppression push, and election reform BEING on Obama's agenda, this kind of micky mouse has seen its last days.

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    Jan 25, 2013, 06:42 AM
    election reform BEING on Obama's agenda,
    Yeah ,some guy who came out of the Daley machine is going to reform elections across the country... snicker
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    Jan 25, 2013, 08:32 AM
    I'm just amused how libs get their panties in a wad about such perfectly legal things (that Dems do as well) but dead Americans from Fast & Furious and the Benghazi coverup are no biggie.
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    Jan 25, 2013, 08:57 AM
    Hello again, Steve:
    I'm just amused how libs get their panties in a wad about such perfectly legal things (that Dems do as well) but dead Americans from Fast & Furious and the Benghazi coverup are no biggie.
    Well, I did get my panties in a wad over the phony Iraq war... Let me see. Over 4,000 Americans died there.

    That, plus the fact that there's NO there, there. I believe what the secretary said. There's NO coverup, because there was NOTHING to cover up. We've been here before. Tom says the coverup was that it was a secret CIA base. But, as I said before, it's NOT a coverup to keep the whereabouts of a CIA base SECRET.. It's a national PRIORITY.

    I'm sorry 4 Americans died.. But, since you've been yelling and screaming about 4 dead Americans, 300 MORE dead Americans happened in Afghanistan. Why aren't your panties in a wad about THAT??

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    Jan 25, 2013, 09:35 AM
    Bush lied, people died wasn't it? People died, Obama lied.
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    Jan 25, 2013, 09:44 AM
    Obama is their boy-god... he is not a mere mortal and should not be judged by the same standads man is judged by.
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    Jan 25, 2013, 11:54 AM
    Hello again,

    Here's what MY information tells me about the 2012 election IF the vote rigging scheme had been in effect.

    Romney WINS!
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    Jan 25, 2013, 12:27 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again,

    Here's what MY information tells me about the 2012 election IF the vote rigging scheme had been in effect.

    Romney WINS!
    Hey, we got to do something since you won't allow us to try and prevent voter fraud.
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    Jan 25, 2013, 12:31 PM
    5 million cases of voter fraud, none by you?
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    Jan 25, 2013, 12:32 PM
    Hello again, Steve:

    And, this Republican scheme ISN'T voter fraud? It's the ultimate fraud.. It's VOTE rigging!

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    Jan 25, 2013, 12:32 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Hey, we gotta do something since you won't allow us to try and prevent voter fraud.
    Are efforts being made now to prevent voter fraud in the next election?
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    Jan 25, 2013, 12:33 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    5 million cases of voter fraud, none by you?
    I thought there was no voter fraud. Now there is?
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    Jan 25, 2013, 12:35 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    I thought there was no voter fraud. Now there is?
    Wasn't that the big effort five minutes before the November elections? And you guys dropped the ball now?
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