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    Sep 19, 2021, 03:16 AM
    Two America's
    NYC requires a vaccine passport to eat in restaurants ;go to the gym ,and theatres ,
    Meanwhile a few hours away at Penn State ,over 100,000 people packed into Beaver Stadium to watch a football game

    What to know about the city’s vaccine passport rules (ny1.com)


    Attendance for Auburn-Penn State White Out among the largest in Beaver Stadium's history (saturdaytradition.com)

    and this was the crowd at MetLife Stadium across the river in NJ last weekend .

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    Sep 19, 2021, 03:22 AM
    Perfect example of the fractured nature of American federalism.
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    Sep 19, 2021, 11:40 AM
    It is as it should be.
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    Sep 19, 2021, 05:11 PM
    Yeah on one side of the Hudson River liberty .Across the river tyranny .
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    Sep 19, 2021, 05:21 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Yeah on one side of the Hudson River liberty .Across the river tyranny .
    If you're promoting Penn State as a thoughtful role model, remember this is the school that put football ahead of child sexual abuse. Not only Paterno, but the president, vp, athletic director and other top leadership. Some of these bums are in jail.

    The school will probably be a super-spreader in the next few weeks, sickening and killing spectators and others in honor of the God of football
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    Sep 19, 2021, 05:35 PM
    There have been packed stadium for weeks in the US Where are the super spreader events . I went to Clemson last Sunday morning . The place was still packed with partiers from the Saturday evening game . I highly recommend going to any campus on game days . I used to go to West Point and the cadets are party animals .
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    Sep 19, 2021, 05:44 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Where are the super spreader events
    Trump's rallies - hell, he killed his own people at them - wasn't Cain a victim. Then there was the motorcycle thing - Covid infections were traced to that from 40+ states and hundreds infected.

    I went to Clemson last Sunday morning . The place was still packed with partiers from the Saturday evening game . I highly recommend going to any campus on game days . I used to go to West Point and the cadets are party animals .
    I would caution against that advice.
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    Sep 19, 2021, 06:32 PM
    Hundreds of thousands maskless fans have attended football games this month joyously yelling in celebration of their teams .Should've heard of at least some of them tracing into super spreader events by now .

    I also applaud the Aussies who are pushing back against ridiculous intolerable restrictions .
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    Sep 20, 2021, 05:32 AM
    Considering that the majority of college students are liberal dems, then there are thousands of liberal dems in those big crowds. I wonder how many of the people at a Penn State game are liberal dems? Most? Perhaps people are figuring out that the otherwise healthy, under fifty crowd carries a very small risk from Covid.

    The covid death rate in SD where the biker rally was held is incredibly low. They've had about fifty deaths since May. Cali can have several times that number in a single day.
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    Sep 20, 2021, 07:23 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    The covid death rate in SD where the biker rally was held is incredibly low. They've had about fifty deaths since May. Cali can have several times that number in a single day.
    Not true. My brother hasn't attended for the past two years because its a superspreader event.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimam...h=786455ce74c6
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    Sep 20, 2021, 09:24 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Considering that the majority of college students are liberal dems, then there are thousands of liberal dems in those big crowds. I wonder how many of the people at a Penn State game are liberal dems? Most? Perhaps people are figuring out that the otherwise healthy, under fifty crowd carries a very small risk from Covid.
    You knew this was going to happen, so put up or stop making such misinformed generalisations.
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    Sep 20, 2021, 09:56 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Not true. My brother hasn't attended for the past two years because its a superspreader event.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimam...h=786455ce74c6
    Nothing like a fact-based article from Forbes to set the record straight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Curlyben View Post
    You knew this was going to happen, so put up or stop making such misinformed generalisations.
    Misinformed generalizations are his stock-in-trade.
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    Sep 20, 2021, 10:19 AM
    misinformed generalisations.
    Misinformed? How? This is a completely accurate statement. "Perhaps people are figuring out that the otherwise healthy, under fifty crowd carries a very small risk from Covid." Anyone with any functioning brain at all can see that here.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/...vid-by-age-us/

    Or here. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...th-by-age.html

    And that doesn't even take into account those who had co-morbidities which the over-fifty crowd is far more likely to have. In Cali, almost 40% of the deaths are in those 80 and over. Why do you suppose 40% of the deaths are in such a small part of the population?
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    Sep 20, 2021, 10:35 AM
    Yet again you avoid the actual point.

    Your misinformed generalisation is right here:

    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Considering that the majority of college students are liberal dems, then there are thousands of liberal dems in those big crowds. I wonder how many of the people at a Penn State game are liberal dems? Most?
    Now stop playing silly and, as I said earlier, put up or, well you know the rest.

    Under 50's carry a smaller risk of Dying from Covid, as apposed to contracting it in the first place.
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    Sep 20, 2021, 10:39 AM
    WG, these are the figures I referred to. You will see they were accurate.

    https://www.bing.com/search?q=covid+...RM=CHRDEF&sp=1
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    Sep 20, 2021, 10:44 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    WG, these are the figures I referred to. You will see they were accurate.

    https://www.bing.com/search?q=covid+...RM=CHRDEF&sp=1
    And were the bikers all from the Dakotas, SD in particular?
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    Sep 20, 2021, 10:49 AM
    Under 50's carry a smaller risk of Dying from Covid, as apposed to contracting it in the first place.
    You have data for that? At any rate, dying is far more serious than being sick. My statement was correct.

    Now stop playing silly and, as I said earlier, put up or, well you now the rest.
    I am going on this data. College educated voters largely vote democrat. And if you guesses that college educated people...used to be college students, then you get to go to the front of the line.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/educatio...litics/575113/

    Now you can put up or...you know. Who's playing silly now?

    The second part you seemed to have indigestion over was simply a question. You know, like speculation? "I wonder how many of the people at a Penn State game are liberal dems? Most?" I said that since PS is a well know liberal school. Could my guess be wrong? Yes, and that's why I used a question mark.

    And were the bikers all from the Dakotas, SD in particular?
    I have no idea. The point is that SD has an incredibly low infection/death rate, so those bikers who came in from all over must not have brought Covid with them.
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    Sep 20, 2021, 10:56 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    The point is that SD has an incredibly low infection/death rate, so those bikers who came in from all over must not have brought Covid with them.
    You have no excuse for your ignorance. Read the Forbes article WG posted.
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    Sep 20, 2021, 10:57 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    The point is that SD has an incredibly low infection/death rate, so those bikers who came in from all over must not have brought Covid with them.
    Biology professor Anna Yeung-Cheung of Manhattanville College, a private school in Purchase, New York, was appalled when told about the rally.

    “Oh my God … where do they get all these people?” she said. “That’s very scary.”

    Yeung-Cheung echoed other experts in noting that while the number of cases is low in South Dakota, at least so far, the problem is that bikers from across the country are coming to the Black Hills.

    Thousands of unvaccinated, unmasked people traveling across the country. An ultra-contagious new variant. Overloaded hospitals. If you thought it could get no worse, think again.
    Tom Lawrence

    Updated Aug. 12, 2021 12:54PM ET Published Aug. 11, 2021 4:58AM ET

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/sturgi...ica?ref=scroll

    You get one guess why my brother, an avid cyclist since his teens, didn't go to Sturgis the past two years.
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    Sep 20, 2021, 11:11 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post

    I am going on this data. College educated voters largely vote democrat. And if you guesses that college educated people...used to be college students, then you get to go to the front of the line.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/educatio...litics/575113/

    Now you can put up or...you know. Who's playing silly now?
    That's an OpEd piece based on exit polls, hardly empirical evidence.
    Very much mixing apples and oranges to produce Mustangs.

    Probably best to not continue with this line as it may end up badly.

    Lots of Covid related stuff here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/coronavirus
    Some of it an eye opener, especially the infection rates in under 20's..

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