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    Sep 17, 2020, 03:01 PM
    Trump Plans Nov 3 Election Invalid!
    Trump is planning to have the presidential election on NOV 3 declared invalid. If this surprises you, you haven't been paying attention.

    Donald J. Trump

    @realDonaldTrump


    Because of the new and unprecedented massive amount of unsolicited ballots which will be sent to “voters”, or wherever, this year, the Nov 3rd Election result may NEVER BE ACCURATELY DETERMINED, which is what some want. Another election disaster yesterday. Stop Ballot Madness!
    As usual, he couches it in his tweet so he can test the reaction and deny it if necessary. But does anyone doubt that invalidating the election if he loses is exactly what he will do? If the election cannot be determined, Trump will claim/demand he remain in office.

    Trump's partner-in-crime Attorney General Barr is the face of the new fascism. He is critical of his own prosecutors who are doing their job, and even went so far as to compare the "state lockdowns as the worst infringement of civil liberties since slavery." Barr badly needs to discover what the reality of slavery was in this country.

    Trump desperately needs to win the election or declare it invalid since the alternative for him is prison, and he knows it.
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    Sep 17, 2020, 03:22 PM
    I don't see invalid or any of it's derivatives in his tweet . It is you that is suggesting that.
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    Sep 17, 2020, 03:27 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Athos View Post
    Trump desperately needs to win the election or declare it invalid since the alternative for him is prison, and he knows it.
    I doubt he's thought that far ahead already. Losing is like the American people saying "You're fired," so no more bowing and scraping lackeys around him, no more freebies, no more screaming fans. Power and control will be gone. He'll have to buy his own McDonald's cheeseburgers and fries and egg mcmuffins and Philly cheesesteaks.

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    Sep 17, 2020, 03:39 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    I don't see invalid or any of it's derivatives in his tweet . It is you that is suggesting that.
    Trump suggests "the Nov 3 election result may never be determined". What does it suggest to you? As a fervent Trump supporter, you know as well as anyone how Trump acts. He always dog whistles, knowing he will get his point across.

    An election not determined will not go the House. That's for ties, not crimes. Trump will charge right in, claiming the presidency is his. From there, there are many options and Trump will consider them all.

    Sorry WG, but Trump is terrified of his impending doom in prison. That is a large part, probably the largest part, of his erratic behavior as the election draws closer and closer.
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    Sep 17, 2020, 04:11 PM
    Trump suggests "the Nov 3 election result may never be determined".
    Bottom line is that this push for mail in ballots is tailor made to extend the vote beyond the Congressionally mandated electoral college vote ;and throw the election into chaos .If anyone is orchestrating a constitutional crisis it is the Dems .
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    Sep 17, 2020, 04:48 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    If anyone is orchestrating a constitutional crisis it is the Dems .
    Nope, it's Mother Nature and her Covid-19. What do you suggest instead of mail-in ballots?
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    Sep 17, 2020, 05:27 PM
    I intend to go my polling place and vote in person ,in private . I suppose that states that have a history of holding elections by mail in ballot at least have a record of securing the vote . Most of the states that hastily created mail in ballots do not know how to do it . They proved that in the primaries .

    You remember the chaos in 2000 when one states results were in question. There will be multiple states this year and there will be chaos and you know it .
    Like I said ;The Dems are orchestrating chaos and they are preparing for it . Call these 'peaceful protests ' as dress rehearsal .Here is the bible .

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...-chaos/616255/

    and yes they are already preparing the battle field with article like above and posts like this one .
    and this
    https://www.axios.com/2020-election-...e02e95f61.html

    https://www.inquirer.com/politics/el...-20200522.html

    The 5th of November is Guy Fawke's Day commemorating a coup attempt in England. The 3rd of November could be our equivalent . We already KNOW that the election won't end November 3 because some states like North Carolina are accepting mail in ballots past the Nov 3 deadline .NC Nov 6 ;Minn Nov 20 ...BOTH SWING STATES !!!
    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/how-to-vote-2020/


    There are many articles already (and I previously linked to one ) that suggest that Trump may win on election night. But two weeks later, once all the mail-in ballots are counted, Joe Biden may be declared the winner after all. I was called a conspiracy nut for suggesting it . But both sides are preparing for that . Evita already told Quid to not accept the results on election night . Both Dems and Repubs are telling their people to prepare for the other side's attempt to stealing the election .Lawyers for both sides are already preparing to head to state capitols of disputed states . I see no scenario where this election ends well.


    The hard facts mandated are that under federal law, the presidential election must take place on Nov. 3, and the electors chosen on that day must vote on Dec. 14 to select the new president and vice president. These dates can’t be changed without an act of Congress, and the 20th Amendment sets Inauguration Day on Jan. 20.

    SCOTUS affirmed the constitutional provisions that the states MUST hold " all elections for Congress and the Presidency on a single day throughout the Union .” Counting un-postmarked mailed ballots that arrive after Election Day would be unconstitutional by this ruling .
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    Sep 17, 2020, 05:46 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    I intend to go my polling place and vote in person ,in private .
    What about registered voters who don't wish to stand in a long line with unmasked, clumped-together-in-line fellow voters?
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    Sep 18, 2020, 04:23 AM
    too bad !!!! When I see Afghans and Iraqis proudly standing on long lines with the threat of a terrorist attack because they dare vote and listen to that type of whining I am not moved by the issue. Every state has provisions for absentee ballots . They should utilize it if they don't want to go to the polls .

    My objection is that states that have no experience with mail in voting are mailing out ballots like they are junk mail coupons whether some one needs them or not . These same people you speak of have no issues standing on line at Walmart, Costco ,or Target. Why can't they keep 6' distance on line at the precincts ? Why are they capable of doing that at the grocery store but not at the polls ?

    The election is supposed to be finished except in the case of a recount in a day. It should not be a 6-8 week affair ;and you know already that is going to happen . It will be a disaster that will create a Constitutional crisis . Good Job !!! The Dems want the system destroyed and they have found a convenient excuse to make it happen .....classic Cloward Piven .... overwhelm a system to bring it down .
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    Sep 18, 2020, 06:03 AM
    Then we have this...https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fe...?ocid=msedgntp
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    Sep 18, 2020, 06:29 AM
    not necessary

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...ressure-397765
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    Sep 18, 2020, 06:45 AM
    "In his decision, Bastian largely granted that request, ordering the Postal Service to reverse any instructions for mail carriers to leave mail behind at postal facilities, to stop requiring trucks to leave at set times regardless of whether the mail is ready and to allow return trips to distribution centers to ensure “timely delivery.”"

    A court order is better than taking someone's word.
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    Sep 18, 2020, 07:11 AM
    you do realize that court decisions can be appealed ad infinitum . The election is in 6 weeks . IF the decision was to maliciously delay the delivery of ballots , that court case would not deter .
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    Sep 18, 2020, 07:25 AM
    The wheels of justice turn slow, and appeals are part of it. The thing is that a light has been shed on the issue and everybody and his lawyer is watching. Sure it could be appealed, but why would they? Or should they?
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    Sep 18, 2020, 07:41 AM
    yes why would they when they already decided to delay the reforms
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    Sep 18, 2020, 10:56 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    IF the decision was to maliciously delay the delivery of ballots , that court case would not deter .
    If Joyboy DeJoy had not screwed up the postal system and deliveries, this wouldn't have even been a topic to crab about.
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    Sep 18, 2020, 01:02 PM
    Yeah. Boy that Post Office had such a sterling reputation for efficiency for decades before Trump messed it up. Note: Sarcasm meter pegged.

    Trump is planning to have the presidential election on NOV 3 declared invalid
    We know that's true because...well, just because!
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    Sep 18, 2020, 02:28 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    If Joyboy DeJoy had not screwed up the postal system and deliveries, this wouldn't have even been a topic to crab about.
    It's hard to dismiss the fact that DeJoy was purposely sent to do just that. Screw up the postal system and deliveries. Another Trump appointee who doesn't know a thing about the position he's appointed to. It couldn't be more transparent as Trump gets more desperate daily.
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    Sep 18, 2020, 02:44 PM
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    Yeah. Boy that Post Office had such a sterling reputation for efficiency for decades before Trump messed it up. Note: Sarcasm meter pegged.
    Our mail has been faithfully delivered in the early afternoon for years by super-nice mailpersons. My husband's Express Scripts meds have also been delivered a week or so before he's needed those refills. Now we hold our breath. Thank goodness we don't live in a swing state!
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    Sep 18, 2020, 02:57 PM
    It's hard to dismiss the fact that DeJoy was purposely sent to do just that.
    Yet another wild accusation with zero evidence.

    As to the Post Office, they signed a two day delivery contract with Amazon that has stretched them to the limit. Never thought I'd see the day when mail would be delivered on Sunday. Want to take a wild guess who was pres when that contract happened?

    For us, our mail runs like it always has, and they do a really good job with the two day deliveries. So much for anecdotal accounts.

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