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    Jan 10, 2021, 08:47 PM
    Trump impeachment?
    Isn't impeaching Trump where the process won't be complete until after he leaves office just sour grapes from a vengeful woman?

    Trump is more than a lame duck, he is a dead duck

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    Jan 10, 2021, 09:44 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Isn't impeaching Trump where the process won't be complete until after he leaves office just sour grapes from a vengeful woman?Trump is more than a lame duck, he is a dead duck
    After January 20, as part of the impeachment process, the Senate can vote to prevent Trump from ever holding federal office again, thereby stopping any run for president in 2024. The Senate will then have a majority.
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    Jan 10, 2021, 09:59 PM
    Yes that was apparent to me, but as I said a vengeful act, given his age and record of poor behaviour. In the light of day Trump is likely to think better of it anyway, he can write another book, gain fees from endorsement and the lecture circuit telling it the way he sees it and an encore performance seems unlikely
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    Jan 11, 2021, 11:41 AM
    It's not just sour grapes, but accountability for his continuing CRIMINAL behavior while in office, and not just from one PO'd woman either. He ain't above the law despite the popular right wing looney belief.
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    Jan 11, 2021, 12:05 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Yes that was apparent to me,
    If it was apparent to you, why did you omit it and call it just sour grapes? Plus what Tal said.
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    Jan 11, 2021, 01:19 PM
    what are you? the post police? the point of discussion is to mull over various aspects
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    Jan 11, 2021, 01:22 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    what are you? the post police?
    You called ;)
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    Jan 11, 2021, 01:25 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Curlyben View Post
    You called ;)
    are you and athos the same? while I have your attention, why do I have to keep logging in, the "remember me" doesn't work in PC mode
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    Jan 11, 2021, 01:46 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    are you and athos the same?
    Nope
    while I have your attention, why do I have to keep logging in, the "remember me" doesn't work in PC mode
    Clear cache and try again.
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    Jan 11, 2021, 02:32 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    what are you? the post police? the point of discussion is to mull over various aspects
    Is that what you call it? "Mulling over various aspects"? Actually it's called making error-filled posts which you are famous for. After many corrections you may learn something and they will help you find the truth of things.
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    Jan 11, 2021, 03:08 PM
    Have you been told today? consider yourself told!
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    Jan 11, 2021, 05:32 PM
    Told what? Ranted at is becoming the new conservative discussion style. Factless and irrelevant.
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    Jan 11, 2021, 06:51 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Told what? Ranted at is becoming the new conservative discussion style. Factless and irrelevant.
    That was meant for Athos but to enlighten the unenlightened, we use that when we don't want to stoop to the lower levels of discourse, usually you only get told one thing or maybe two
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    Jan 12, 2021, 05:49 AM
    “I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.” Trump


    Doesn't sound like incitement to me .

    This does .....

    "Make the phone calls, send the emails, show up," "You know, there needs to be unrest in the streets for as long as there’s unrest in our lives." Ayanna Pressly Rep . Mass.

    When Pelosi calls Federal agents defending government court houses in Portland "storm troopers " she is inciting by supporting the Antifa terrorists .
    “Trump & his stormtroopers must be stopped.” Nancy Pelosi

    This is what happened in Portland and continues to happen:

    Bricks, frozen water bottles, mortars, marbles, ball bearings are fired at and thrown at the Portland police.

    Police are blinded with laser lights ,car tires are slashed .
    Arson to the Federal court house and to police precincts ,private homes, cars and businesses . Reporters are assaulted ;and individuals assaulted .

    The Democrats and the left support the terrorism of Antifa.

    I condemn the attack on the Capitol and our law makers .

    If all Trump supporters are to be painted with a broad brush because the acts of a few then in fairness so should all the left who has openly supported the acts of Antifa .
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    Jan 12, 2021, 05:58 AM
    Clete ,to your question ....I'm not sure an impeachment conviction after a President leaves office is constitutional . Art 2 Sec 4
    The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.

    Nothing in the text says anything about after a President leaves office . So if they go through with the plan to impeach but not convict before Jan 20 then I'm sure it would go to SCOTUS for adjudication.

    Also conviction alone would not ban Trump from running for office again . The Senate would have to hold a separate vote on that measure Not that it matters . His support has been sufficiently damaged since the elections . I doubt that he could rebuild it .
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    Jan 12, 2021, 09:31 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    we use that when we don't want to stoop to the lower levels of discourse, usually you only get told one thing or maybe two
    In other words, cast aspersions when you are not capable of answering or discussing the subject. You have now failed/erred when discussing socialism, AGW, and American politics. Time for you to meditate in your hermitage down there.
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    Jan 12, 2021, 09:45 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    “I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.” Trump

    Doesn't sound like incitement to me .
    That's because you left out what Trump ACTUALLY did.

    This does .....
    Predictably, you reacted EXACTLY as Trump did this morning on his first trip outside since January 6 hiding in the West Wing where he gleefully watched his rioters on television for hours on end.

    Trump immediately deflected from the Capitol riots by bringing up Portland - EXACTLY as you did!!

    I condemn the attack on the Capitol and our law makers
    You're not fooling anybody, tomder. If you truly condemned the attack, you would equally condemn Trump for inciting the riots. FACTS, tomder, FACTS. Don't leave home without them.
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    Jan 12, 2021, 09:59 AM
    Watching the riots on TV like the rest of the nation didn't lead to any rescue actions by the dufus as the lawmakers including Pence were hunkered down calling for help. The conservative and the elected repub reaction to this event defies logic which is why the cult of the dufus continues.

    Let's have that impeachment vote. To not would be just as looney!
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    Jan 12, 2021, 01:19 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Athos View Post
    In other words, cast aspersions when you are not capable of answering or discussing the subject. You have now failed/erred when discussing socialism, AGW, and American politics. Time for you to meditate in your hermitage down there.
    I did not "cast aspersions" or anything else for that matter. I was direct but you don't understand like so much of your discourse. I have an opinion, whether you value it or not, it is an opinion but you feel you must correct any opinion that doesn't accord with your own. As I said before, consider yourself told
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    Jan 12, 2021, 01:24 PM
    If all Trump supporters are to be painted with a broad brush because the acts of a few then in fairness so should all the left who has openly supported the acts of Antifa .
    Outstanding post, as usual.

    In other words, cast aspersions when you are not capable of answering or discussing the subject
    Pot...kettle...again.

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