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 Originally Posted by tomder55
It's true. If young black boys are carpet bombed, it's more acceptable... Cause there's too many to protest each one... Why did you highlight Neva, the dead Iranian girl? Cause nobody cares about LOTS of dead Iranians... excon |
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I hear conflicting sequence of events. What were they?
1. Trayvon went to convenience store to buy candy and soda. Was walking after dark to his dad's fiance's home in gated community. Was wearing hoodie, with hoodie over his head? 2. Zimmerman saw him, noticed he had hoodie on his head, suspected Trayvon was a gang member? 3. Zimmerman radioed police who told him to back off. 4. Zimmeman continued to follow Trayvon. 5. Trayvon asked, "Who's following me?" Was in cell phone contact with a friend. 6. Zimmerman, obeying police, returned around to go back to his SUV? Or he grabbed Trayvon and spun him around and Treyvon assaulted him? How did Zimmerman get his injuries? Why hadn't he backed off when police told him to? (Or did he really and Trayvon followed him, assaulted him?) |
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Originally Posted by Wondergirl
You bring up a key issue that I'd like to expand on... Pursuant to the law, one may "stand ones ground" and use deadly force if one feels threatened. Can the provision switch sides during an altercation? Let's say I provoke a fight with you. I get off the first punch and I'm standing over you. The law says you can shoot me. But, you don't. Instead you get up and start WINNING the fight. Now, I'm afraid that you're going to hurt me. Can I shoot you? Let's say Trayvon was running away, as we know he was. It's ON the tape. Why wasn't HE allowed to "stand his ground", and break Zimmermans nose? I wonder just who can stand who's ground?? I ask these questions to show how stupid and utterly useless the law is. excon |
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Originally Posted by excon
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And for the hoodies ,I have mixed feelings about them now . On the one hand they are very convenient apparel in cool weather . But until this month I never considered them to be apparel that identifies me a someone who could be targeted ,nor did I wear them as part of an identity .
But I've been doing my research and came across a speech delivered by Philadephia Mayor Michael Nutter 8 months or so ago in the middle of a violent Philadephia summer . Here it is (edited to remove the stuff not related to the attire ):
If you want all of us — black, white, or any other color — if you want us to respect you, if you want us to look at you in a different way, if you want us not to be afraid to walk down the same side of the street with you, if you want folks not to jump out of the elevator when you get on, if you want folks to stop following you around in stores when you're out shopping, if you want somebody to offer you a job or an internship somewhere, if you don't want folks to be looking in or trying to go in a different direction when they see two or twenty of you coming down the street, then stop acting like idiots and fools, out in the streets of the city of Philadelphia. Just cut it out. And another thing. Take those doggone hoodies down, especially in the summer. Pull your pants up and buy a belt, because no one wants to see your underwear or the crack of your butt. Nobody. Buy a belt. Buy a belt. Nobody wants to see your underwear. Comb your hair. And get some grooming skills. Comb your hair. Running round here with your hair all over the place. Learn some manners. Keep your butt in school, graduate from high school, go on to college so you can go and make something of yourself and be a good citizen, here in this city. And why don't you work on extending your English vocabulary. Extend your English vocabulary beyond the few curse words that you know, some other grunts and grumbles and other things that none of us can understand what you're saying. And if you go to look for a job, don't go blame it on the white folks, or anybody else. If you walk in somebody's office with your hair uncombed and a pick in the back and your shoes untied and your pants half down, tattoos up and down your arm, on your face, on your neck, and you wonder why somebody won't hire you. They don't hire you because you look like you're crazy. That's why they're not hiring you.
So, you do those things, and act like you got some sense, and you'd be surprised what opportunities will open up to you. That's what was on my mind. That's all I've got to say. Supposedly a witness has now come forward . I don't know if the witness is credible or not. The witness account says that Martin slugged Zimmerman in the nose ,knocked him down ,and proceeded to bash his head on the ground. I neither believe or discount this narrative any more than any other factoid I've heard of the case . One question I've had that I haven't seen addressed is this . Most "gated communities " have guards at the gate. Did this one ? If they did ;did Martin use the gate to leave and enter the grounds ? And if they have a guard at the gate ,then why do they also need a community watch patrol ? Was Zimmerman acting on his own ,or as a sanctioned community volunteer ? |
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Here is the statement from the Sanford police. It is their answer to some of the questions that have been asked in the case. I make no conclusions from them ,
http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigati...n_shooting.pdf |
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Hello tom:
You missed it.. I posted that he wore "come shoot me clothes", because that notion is being propagated, and it's the MOST STUPID, and RACIST idea to come along.. It's like when a girl wears something sexy and she gets raped, some wrong wing misogynist would say, "well, what should she expect". She was wearing "come rape me clothes"... And, you bought it. To suggest that something is wrong with ME because people are scared of ME because of what I wear, says more about their RACISM than my choice in Haute couture. excon |
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I guess the black mayor of Philadelphia is also as racist who bought into it. I guess when Bill Cosby condemned the hip hop culture he was also being racist. For that mattter ,so were W.E.B. DuBois and Booker T. Washington.
I'm still undecided on the case . More facts are being revealed daily that don't support the initial assumptions. . I ask again ;where are the outcries to bring the killer of Aliyah Shell to justice . Her parents cries are being met with deaf ears. |
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Originally Posted by tomder55
Here's the difference... When the cops catch the guys who killed Aliyah Shell, they'll PROSECUTE them.. In Trayvons case, we KNOW who killed him, and the COPS are COMPLICIT in it. That pisses a nation off. Your attempt to deflect failed. excon |
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and the COPS are COMPLICIT in it.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/2...to-charge.html
Your attempt to deflect failed.
http://www.kmbc.com/r/30572405/detail.html The problem that Rev Al Sharpton should be addressing is the violent crime inside the "black community " ;like the death of Aliyah Shell. |
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Originally Posted by tomder55
That's the difference in your two incidences |
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Originally Posted by tomder55
Originally Posted by tomder55
I never said he was a racist. I said he was a killer. That's enough... When I speak about the "cops", the DA was included. As a group, they're COMPLICIT. As a group, their complicity is racist. You STILL haven't faced up to the fact that if Trayvon had been WHITE and Zimmerman black, Trayvon would already being serving his life sentence. Deflection denied! excon |
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