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    Jul 6, 2017, 10:43 PM
    Top Secret NSA Document Proving Russians Aided Trump Election Campaign
    The Rachel Maddow Show reported last night Thursday that she received an anonymous document in the mail that was marked Top Secret from the NSA.

    Within the document was the name of an American citizen (well-known) who was a member of the Trump transition team and who worked with Russian agents to help Trump win the election. This was a bombshell document. Not the smoking gun, but far more, the gun actually in the process of being fired.

    After several weeks of forensic analysis and running it past highly placed US intelligence officials, it was determined the document was a forgery.

    Had her show run with this false information, it would have been later proven that it was not true and that she was reporting "fake news" since the charges could have been refuted. Maddow's career and her show would have been over and the "fake news" gambit would have gotten new and extremely powerful legs.

    This is very scary stuff. Maddow wouldn't say it but it seems there is no doubt that someone within the Trump organization was the anonymous source. It certainly seems like something Trump himself would do or authorize.

    She made this public as a warning to other news agencies to be very careful about "tips". The fact that it was directed to her indicates how effective her reporting has been. The document itself was a brilliant forgery and had secret markings "proving" (falsely as it turned out) its legitimacy.
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    Jul 7, 2017, 04:28 AM
    And apparently Pharmaceutical Grade Koolaide is making its rounds again. Because THAT preposterous claim has proven to be false.

    Instead of trying to debate hypothetically if Alien can kick Klingon butt.....(which has as much basis in proven fact as these dreamed up and unproven claims of Russian Meddling.)

    How about the proven and admitted Election fraud by the DNC for rigging the primary and debates....The DNC actually fired people over that and admitted they did it....AND it was actually proven. BUt no..the lunatic fringe of the left insists without any shred of proof..Trump was somehow involved.

    Hillary had Russian ties...she got $2.5 Million in quid pro quo ( via the Clinton Slush fund, they called a "Foundation") for her part as Sec of State for selling 20% of OUR Uranium reserves to the Russians. FROM the company that bought them. Paper trail exists there to and that has been proven. Want to Discus Russian involvement..you can't do that WITHOUT the DNC being in the middle of it.
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    Jul 7, 2017, 03:38 PM
    MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow claimed Thursday that one such leak was essentially unverifiable—and may have been meant to discredit her program. During her show Thursday night, Maddow claimed documents she had received appeared to be a “cut-and-paste forgery” of those leaker Reality Winner gave to The Intercept for its June 5 report that offered details about the NSA’s findings regarding Russia’s hacking of last year’s election. Maddow claimed the documents alluded to Trump-Russia collusion during the election.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/fake-news...c_news_article


    Give it up . The real story is the blatant illegal unmaskings by Obama Adm officials in the security agencies . And apparently Loretta Lynch's activities stonewalling and obstructing justice the Hillary email investigation .

    http://www.newsweek.com/i-never-said...ttorney-633236
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    Jul 7, 2017, 04:42 PM
    Not to mention the DNC being caught red handed rigging the election... where the ACTUAL election tampering occurred.
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    Jul 7, 2017, 10:48 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Give it up . The real story is the blatant illegal unmaskings by Obama Adm officials in the security agencies . And apparently Loretta Lynch's activities stonewalling and obstructing justice the Hillary email investigation .

    tomder, the quote in the box in your post#3 is accurate. It states the same thing I stated (without my conclusion, or suspicion, that Trump was behind it).

    As for the rest, please be advised that

    1) Obama is no longer the president. Trump, an admitted liar, is,
    2) Same with Lynch. She was replaced with Jeff Sessions, an admitted liar.

    Trump and Sessions are the ones you should be applying your considerable talents to. The others are ancient history.
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    Jul 7, 2017, 11:45 PM
    Look Putin said it didn't happen and Trump agreed so end of story, no one but the dnc wants it confirmed
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    Jul 8, 2017, 03:05 AM
    As for the rest, please be advised that

    1) Obama is no longer the president. Trump, an admitted liar, is,
    2) Same with Lynch. She was replaced with Jeff Sessions, an admitted liar.

    Trump and Sessions are the ones you should be applying your considerable talents to. The others are ancient history.
    Nah ,there is no term limit on illegal acts . I give Rachel Madcow credit for alerting her compadres that there is a whole bunch of fake news out there .

    Look Putin said it didn't happen and Trump agreed so end of story, no one but the dnc wants it confirmed
    Right .The Dems have given up on the narrative and the press ,who were the last hangers on have had to fire some of their own due to dissemination,or fabrication of fake news .

    The special council investigation should be dismissed immediately . But he will continue to look for crimes like Inspector Javert until he can trap someone in a false statement on some tangential issue .
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    Jul 8, 2017, 04:56 AM
    Only the right wing noise machine gets a thrill from the two most corrupt leaders in the world. Throw in that Polish guy and you have your trifecta.
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    Jul 8, 2017, 06:58 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Look Putin said it didn't happen and Trump agreed so end of story, no one but the dnc wants it confirmed
    Really? You have spoken to everyone outside the DNC to determine their feelings on the matter? Sweeping generalizations like that show a disdain for facts. Even if the statement were true you could no know it was true. But its not true. There are even some Republicans who just want to get at the truth. The problem here is there are several factors to the investigation. The first factor is whether the Russians attempted to influence the election by illegal and covert means. As far as I can tell, this has become an accepted fact by most who are party to the proofs indicated by the intelligence community.

    This then led to an investigation into whether members of the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians to interfere with the election. So far this hasn't produced any proof. But it has led to investigations into other ties to the Russians from members of the Trump campaign. This occurred mainly because several members of the campaign were caught hiding contacts (Flynn, Sessions, etc.). Then Trump stepped in and attempted to interfere with the investigation.

    I have asked this question several times. If there is nothing to be found, as Trump claims, then why is he trying so hard to block or discredit the investigation?

    As to the Rachel Maddow revelation. It would appear that Trump (or at least some of his staff) have learned that leaks can work both ways. I vaguely recall Trump actually saying that he might do something like this. I would point out that the CNN apology that Trump made a huge deal of was a result of CNN's own INTERNAL audit of their policy. They caught that there wasn't enough verification of the story so they retracted it. This and Maddow's story point out that most news outlets have their own internal procedures for verifying the news. Do they make mistakes? Sure they do. But for the most part reporting is accurate.

    And the DNC did not rig the election, they rigged the primaries. There is a difference.
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    Jul 8, 2017, 09:46 AM
    yep and yesterday Trump and Putin met for 2 hrs to start their collusion for the 2020 campaign.
    Releasing false information inside an organization is a tool used to catch who is leaking .
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    Jul 8, 2017, 09:54 AM
    1. Throw in that Polish guy and you have your trifecta.
    huh ? Duda is a Russophobe . Blows your theory .Trump agreed to send Patriot defense systems to Poland to counter the Russian threat to the country ,and to strengthen the overall NATO defense posture against the Russian threat .Appears that Putin is the odd man out of that troika .
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    Jul 8, 2017, 11:15 AM
    Better read up on your boy Duda and his would be right wingers. Start here,

    Is Poland a failing democracy? – POLITICO
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    Jul 8, 2017, 12:13 PM
    Nice balanced report . I'm impressed.Politico at least allowed for some counter-point .

    The historical experience of Poland is such that they know something about existential threats from their neighbors .In the world of the liberal left ,anyone who is not for the international order created by the left is a person who would lurch their nation dangerously away from democracy ;as if the current world order is synonymous with democracy .Britain's Brexit is no different than Poland's move towards a more national ;less EU based national policy . Poland does not want to be ruled by either Moscow ,Brussels ,or Berlin.

    Agnieszka Kołakowska and Tomasz Wróblewski both argue that it was the previous rulers of Poland that were the real anti-democrats .

    If you ask me ,PiS at least economically is still too enamored with the Euro-left socialist economic model to be called 'lurching to the right' .It just isn’t acceptable that a people and nation should stand up for themselves, their culture, and their own interests against the globalist world plan. Poland is also the new epicenter and defenders of European Christianity . That of course makes their current course completely unacceptable to the secularist world .

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