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    Jul 30, 2013, 11:04 PM
    Thanks, but no thanks!
    I cannot help but get the feeling there is a takeover in the wind. My counrty is seen as a convenient place to park all sorts of things, bombs you don't happen to be using, troops, and now aircraft, not to mention the odd warship


    Now I know we will probably never see a Joint Strike fighter and so have a hole in our air defense but this solution just smacks too much of a hostile take over. Let me say it clearly we have no interest in becoming the fifty first state of america

    US Air Force plans to spread its fighting wings - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
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    Jul 31, 2013, 05:00 AM
    Trust me... we will have done your country a great service if you never see an F-35
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    Jul 31, 2013, 05:10 AM
    But you're completely content with the Chinese 'string of pearls' strategy . Name the one country in East Asia that has territorial expansion as it's major foreign policy goal . Hint ;it isn't the USA .
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    Jul 31, 2013, 05:42 AM
    I am sure you can get a better deal from China. Until the Afhgans, and Africans are in a position to undercut you.
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    Jul 31, 2013, 06:19 AM
    I'm just curious, your articles never seem to mention anything about your government's role in things, why is that?

    FYI, this is old news so if your people had to learn it from foreign media they must not be paying attention...

    Australia agreement expands USAF role there

    CANBERRA, Australia — The U.S. military presence in Australia is expanding, with plans underway to have more U.S. aircraft rotate through the south Pacific continent.

    The Marines and Navy are expected to expand their presence in the region as well, with plans to deploy about 2,500 Marines there over the next several years.

    The agreement was announced Wednesday at a joint news conference with President Obama and Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard. It is widely viewed as a response to China's growing aggressiveness, although the president insisted that the U.S. does not fear Beijing.

    China responded swiftly, warning that an expanded U.S. military footprint in Australia may not be appropriate and deserved greater scrutiny.

    Obama called the plan "significant," and said it would build capacity and cooperation between the U.S. and Australia. U.S. officials were careful to emphasize that the pact was not an attempt to create a permanent American military presence in Australia.

    Australian media is reporting that plans call for B-52 bombers, F/A-18 attack aircraft, C-17 transports and aerial refueling tankers to operate out of the Australian air force facility at Tindal, about 200 miles southeast of Darwin.

    A Pacific Air Forces spokesperson couldn't be reached immediately Wednesday to give details on what the announcement would mean for the service.

    In addition to the Air Force, Marines will reportedly be organized as a special-purpose air-ground task force and be based at Robertson Barracks in Darwin, an Australian military installation on the country's northern coast. The buildup to 2,500 personnel, expected to be complete within six years, will require an expansion of the base, but no new installations, according to reports.

    Also, more U.S. ships will transit through the Sterling naval base, south of Perth in western Australia, according to Australian media.

    Obama and Gillard said the increased air presence would allow the U.S. and Australia to more effectively respond to natural disasters and humanitarian crises in the region.
    As with your little fit over the bombs you seem to have difficulty understanding it's not a one way street, it's an agreement.
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    Jul 31, 2013, 06:36 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    I'm just curious, your articles never seem to mention anything about your government's role in things, why is that?

    You must not have been listening, it's an election year here and the blessed day gets closer, and a lot of dlckheads are going to get it in the neck, I'm talking WIPEOUT here and along with it goes their agreements


    As with your little fit over the bombs you seem to have difficulty understanding it's not a one way street, it's an agreement.[/QUOTE]

    You forget It wasn't just me and Mr Krudd demonstrated how much he is in your pocket by not saying a word. Not a word.
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    Jul 31, 2013, 06:43 AM
    So your pi$$ed that your leaders are wienies.
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    Jul 31, 2013, 06:46 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    but you're completely content with the Chinese 'string of pearls' strategy . Name the one country in East Asia that has territorial expansion as it's major foreign policy goal . Hint ;it aint the USA .
    You must not be getting all the memo's, I distinctly heard BO say he was pivoting towards Asia. You always have to paint someoneelse as the bad guy. Yes, China has ambitions and guess who they have by the balls, when they take over Taiwan you will be the first to agree it is Chinese territory. I understand their territorial ambitions to regain all the territory they traditionally regard as theirs. But I also know you have territorial ambitions, in the last few years you have had to give up some of your empire and you don't like it. Ask yourself why are the Philippines and Japan sick of having your military footprint on their soil. We have observed this and those of us who actually think over here don't want to repeat the experience and I certainly don't want the F**kedup people of our Northern Territory to experience it
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    Jul 31, 2013, 06:51 AM
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    So your pi$$ed that your leaders are wienies.
    These wienies are going, we are going to BBQUE them, one has gone already, the true believers really don't like those who sign agreements that involve foreign bases
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    Jul 31, 2013, 07:50 AM
    I distinctly heard BO say he was pivoting towards Asia.
    And you equate the defense of our allies against Chinese aggression as us having "territorial ambitions " ?
    Yes, China has ambitions and guess who they have by the balls, when they take over Taiwan you will be the first to agree it is Chinese territory
    Yes I'm sure the emperor is all talk. God help the free people of Tawain .
    I understand their territorial ambitions to regain all the territory they traditionally regard as theirs. But I also know you have territorial ambitions, in the last few years you have had to give up some of your empire and you don't like it.
    In the past all we asked is a small plot of land to bury our dead who were defending freedom . But now we bring our dead home. So you are wrong . We have no territorial ambition .
    Ask yourself why are the Philippines and Japan sick of having your military footprint on their soil. We have observed this and those of us who actually think over here don't want to repeat the experience and I certainly don't want the F**kedup people of our Northern Territory to experience it
    You got that wrong . If they have concerns about us it's about to possibility of us NOT honoring out commitment to our mutual defense alliance.
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    Jul 31, 2013, 07:52 AM
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    these wienies are going,
    Can't happen soon enough.. you need more John Howard's and fewer KRudd's and Red Julia's .
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    Jul 31, 2013, 03:07 PM
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    You got that wrong . If they have concerns about us it's about to possibility of us NOT honoring out committment to our mutual defense alliance.
    No Tom it's the conduct of your personnel, lack of respect for local laws, local people and local customs
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    Jul 31, 2013, 03:12 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    can't happen soon enough.. you need more John Howard's and fewer KRudd's and Red Julia's .
    Yes Tom but John Howards are hard to find, men who have been forged in the cruciable of politics and who will go the hard yards and tackle the real problems.
    Guns, Immigrants, Labour Laws, Debt, Taxation. Krudd has now gone so far to the right he might switch parties, as an opportunist I'm sure if he could switch to the winning team he would
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    Jul 31, 2013, 04:31 PM
    Lol KRudd as a right winger would make me Genghis Khan in comparison .
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    Jul 31, 2013, 04:58 PM
    Yes I could see you leading the hordes of capitalists preying on our country like locusts
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    Jul 31, 2013, 07:39 PM
    Well that's good news! why didn't you say that before

    North told to forget about Stealth bomber claims - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

    I find it very interesting that this discloses that the US air capability may be somewhat less than we supposed
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    Jul 31, 2013, 08:01 PM
    Bombers are expensive but if you need a few, and have cash..
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    Jul 31, 2013, 08:20 PM
    We have the cash, we won't need it for the joint strike fighter
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    Aug 1, 2013, 05:10 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Well that's good news! why didn't you say that before

    North told to forget about Stealth bomber claims - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

    I find it very interesting that this discloses that the US air capability may be somewhat less than we supposed
    How many stealth bombers do you think we should have? We still have the B1 and a nice fleet of B52s, plus our fighter capabilities include quite a few ordnance options.

    This is what I found interesting in your article.

    "What does surprise me is that people in Darwin are surprised," he said.

    "I mean, you expect this type of alarmism in the Sydney-Canberra-Melbourne triangle because people don't realise that foreign defence forces exercise in northern Australia on an extremely regular basis and have done for five decades.
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    Aug 1, 2013, 06:02 AM
    You found it interesting that the people of Darwin didn't know they were receiving friendly visits

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