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    Aug 16, 2023, 03:59 AM
    The spring offensive post mortem
    Barring a miracle ,all that's left to do is assign blame for Ukraine's military failures.

    This is a continuation of this topic here
    Operation Overlord or Zalinsky's charge ? (askmehelpdesk.com)

    Early in the conflict Ukraine achieved some surprising successes. Russia rolled in a classic WWII blitzkrieg manner but Ukraine allowed them to penetrate and overextend their lines. Then Ukraine hit the exposed Russian lines forcing them to retreat. Even so ;they had captured a fifth of Ukraine's territory .

    From that point on ,Russia reverted to WWI entrenching and artillery attacks aimed to attrit the Ukraine forces and to break the will of Ukraine society . Russia had a 300,000 mobilization . They wasted a lot of the fresh troops by sending them into the meat grinder . But they were able to plug gaps in their lines.

    Putin gave command of the front to the Wagner Group . They made moves on a strategically unimportant town of Bakhmut . Zelensky blundered by deciding that was the hill to defend when the wise move was to strategically retreat to high ground west of the town.

    Trench warfare commenced . Russia had the ability to trench closer and closer to the Ukraine lines . NATO knew what was happening and warned Zelenski against defending the town. Still he persisted .

    Ukraine defended Bakhmut despite dire U.S. warnings, leaked documents show - The Washington Post

    Ukraine war: Bakhmut defenders double down - Zelensky - BBC News

    Now it was Ukraine feeding the meat grinder . But Ukraine does not have the manpower to spare. These were brigades that Ukraine could've desperately used in this spring offensive.

    Meanwhile NATO supplied weapons for the spring offensive at a snail's pace ;and inadequately trained fresh Ukraine troops for the type of warfare they would be engaging in .

    Basic military education says that to undertake a successful offensive you need a minimum of 3:1 advantage in troops and air superiority . Ukraine has neither and they falsely assumed that they could make up for that with superior western weapons. Another factor is that played into it was that along with troop losses ,Ukraine had a toll of experienced field officers that are not easily replaced .

    The troops going into the offensive were not adequately trained or led in combined arms operations . They met a well entrenched opponent in a multi-belt defensive system that includes fortified trenches ;mines ,and established kill zones with pre-sited artillery and rapid fire guns.

    Ukrainian commanding general Valery Zaluzhny at the outset begged for more weapons , air cover and patience .

    Ukraine’s top general, Valery Zaluzhny, wants shells, planes and patience - The Washington Post

    "without being fully supplied (for the offensive), these plans are not feasible at all.”

    Ukraine lost a fifth of it's force in the first two weeks with success measures in a km here or there.

    After Suffering Heavy Losses, Ukrainians Paused to Rethink Strategy - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

    Gains they made in Zaporezhia are negated by advances Russia has made in the northeast Ukraine left flank.

    Ukraine urges civilian evacuations in the northeast as Russia claims gains (thejournal.ie)

    Any objective analysis says that the much touted offensive has failed Don't count on the compliant press to report this although I suspect they will slowly acknowledge the truth.

    The question is where does it go from here ?

    Are we headed for another year and half of Quid Pro Joe pronouncing 'as long as it takes '? Will NATO continue throwing scarce weapons and resources down the rabbit hole? Already invested is $billions of dollars in aid, millions of shells, missiles, and bombs; thousands of armored vehicles ;training ;logistic and intelligence.


    Meanwhile a meeting of defense ministers of 20 Russia friendly nations met yesterday in Moscow.
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    Aug 22, 2023, 05:29 AM
    Read the press and you see stories of Russian set backs . Ukraine broke though the Russian front line of a multi-layered defense and advanced 3 km. (almost 2 miles) . The reporting is gradually slipping in the truth ;that the offensive has largely failed .

    Retired Col. Douglas Macgregor has a sober and realistic take on the spring offensive. This is part of an interview he had with Tucker Carlson.
    The Ukrainians, now, we think have lost 400,000 men killed in battle. We were taking about 300-350,000 a month ago. the last month of this supposed counteroffensive, which was to sweep the battlefield, they lost at least 40,000 killed. We don't even know how many people have been wounded, but we know probably upwards of 40-50,000 soldiers are amputees. We know the hospitals are full. And we know that Ukrainian units at the platoon and company level... are in piecemeal fashion surrendering to the Russians. not because they don't want to fight, but because they can't fight anymore. They have so many wounded they can't evacuate them. And commanders are saying if they can't evacuate their wounded they're going to surrender because otherwise, the wounded will die.

    So they call the Russians, they all speak Russian, and tell them on the radio, "We've got 40 or 5 wounded here, I'm going to surrender because I don't want them to be killed." And the Russians from the very beginning have always treated the Ukrainian soldiers very fairly and gently. So they know they're not going to be abused or mistreated. They know they can actually be exchanged for Russian prisoners in the future, so they surrender.

    And I think we're going to see this army we've spent so heavily on increasingly melt away.

    And at the same time, as we're talking, if you look at the long, banana-shaped strip of territory in Southern Ukraine that the Russians control, the Northeastern corner of that, South of Kharkiv, there are major offensive operations taking place right now, and Ukrainian forces are being swept away by the Russians.

    All of this happens in a way that is just unreported in the West. And in the meantime, rather than admit this is a terrible tragedy that should be ended on a humanitarian basis, the killing should stop, as President Trump said, "stop the killing," we're going to continue. This puts the Russians in the unhappy position of marching further west, because from the very beginning, Putin and his advisors were never interested in a war with NATO or the U.S. That's why you've had so much incrementalism, this slow grind of movement forward. Defensive operations for a long period of time to build up force, and then continued offensive operations.

    They have over 300,000 combat troops in reserve in Russia. And I think they are sitting there and not being released to fight because President Putin anticipates the possibility that we will intervene in Western Ukraine. And if we intervene in Western Ukraine, the Russians will be ready for that. And the consequences for us and for NATO will be devastating because we are not ready to fight the Russians.

    ...

    The president announced yesterday in one of his tweets... that the people that have lost everything in Hawaii, thousands have lost everything, are going to receive a one-time payment of $700. Now, I haven't been to Hawaii in a long time... but I know that $700 isn't going to take care of a family for very long.

    But in the meantime, hundreds of millions, billions of dollars continue to flow into this black hole called Ukraine, which I think is an exercise the fraud, deceit, and criminality, to be blunt. So when is going to stop? When are we going to take care of Hawaii? Let's go back to Ohio where we had the derailment and the chemical spill, 4,000 human beings living in this area, the water is still not fit to drink. We wouldn't even invest the money to move those people to a safer area, even if it meant temporary house -- or permanent housing -- until this thing was cleaned up. What have we done?

    This is the problem, it is "America Last" on every level. The last people who are consulted, the last people who are benefiting from anything that goes on in Washington are Americans. This can not go on. It's got to end, and I think it will end. Unfortunately, like everything else, we're going to have to be pushed over the cliff into the abyss. I think that's where we're headed.
    Macgregor: The U.S. Is On The Brink Of A Catastrophic Defeat In Eastern Europe | Video | RealClearPolitics
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    Aug 28, 2023, 04:49 AM
    Western powers that be are now being critical of the Ukraine strategery .

    According to the Slimes

    The main goal of the counteroffensive is to cut off Russian supply lines in southern Ukraine by severing the so-called land bridge between Russia and the occupied Crimean Peninsula,”

    "But instead of focusing on that, Ukrainian commanders have divided troops and firepower roughly equally between the east and the south"

    Ukraine’s Forces and Firepower Are Misallocated, U.S. Officials Say - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

    Ukraine has largely executed this war the way their Western patrons have dictated . So it takes a huge amount of cajónes for Western military leaders to criticize Ukraine's efforts after the fact.
    This is the 3rd army that Ukraine has sacrificed on the NATO alter

    At least there is some truthful reporting in this article

    But even the most experienced units have been reconstituted a number of times after taking heavy casualties,”.....These units rely on a shrinking cadre of senior commanders. Some platoons are mostly staffed by soldiers who have been wounded and returned to fight.”

    Time is not on their side. Soon the autumn rains will begin .Any gains will be difficult to exploit. Then in the winter expect a Russian offensive.
    There is talk of this war being a stalemate. Stalemates last until attrition ends them or a cease fire is negotiated .
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    Aug 28, 2023, 05:06 AM
    Thanks for the info. I don't know enough about the situation to respond, but I do enjoy your posts.
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    Sep 18, 2023, 04:16 AM
    It took a while . But now that the offensive is almost done due to the changing season ,the compliant press is beginning to realize the extent of it's failure.

    Newsweek has an op-ed about it,

    We Can No Longer Hide the Truth About the Russia-Ukraine War | Opinion (msn.com)

    The obvious question is why were they trying to "hide the truth" ?

    a sober, accurate analysis of Ukraine's nearly completed summer offensive reveals that the heroic sacrifice Ukraine continues to make is producing little to no meaningful progress toward the objective of evicting Russia from Ukraine's territory.

    Ukrainian battle deaths exploded since the offensive started. Whereas Ukraine was reported to have lost 17,500 troops in the first year of the war, it is presently assessed to have lost a breathtakingly high 50,000 additional deaths, for a total of 70,000 dead and 120,000 wounded.

    It is unclear at this point whether Ukraine has enough striking power remaining in its offensive forces to reach, much less penetrate, Russia's second main line—beyond which is a third main line followed by a fortress-defense at Tokmak, which is still 75 road kilometers from the Azov coast. Given these realities, the best Ukraine can likely do for the rest of the year is to hold what they have and prevent the possibility of losing more territory to a potential Russian counteroffensive this fall.

    The author calls for the US to continue to provide defensive capability to Ukraine ;for the Europeans to take on a greater role in that capacity ;and for a diplomatic solution.

    The problem in my view is that it may be too late . Russia's aims at the beginning of the war was to annex Russophile regions of Ukraine who had felt betrayed after Russia friendly President Viktor Yanukovych; who was ousted in a US concocted coup; and to prevent the expansion of NATO into Ukraine. Neither of those goals have changed. As the war has dragged on NATO has assured Ukraine admittance in the future ;and Moscow has been hit by Ukraine attacks . This has hardened positions in Russia Positions borne out of fear have been realized. Now I believe Russia will not cease until it has created a buffer zone ;perhaps at the banks of the Dnieper River .

    I think the US will adjust it's policy AFTER the election . Then we will throw Ukraine under the bus as we did to Iraq and Afghanistan.
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    Sep 20, 2023, 02:23 PM
    NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg is prepared to fight the long war in Ukraine with American bucks .
    NATO chief warns Ukraine allies to prepare for ‘long war’ – POLITICO

    You know ....fighting Russia fights climate change .

    At UN, Zelenskiy tells Russia to stop war so world can fight climate, other crises | Reuters
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    Sep 24, 2023, 06:57 AM
    You are reading reports of significant gains by Ukraine and breakthroughs . What the compliant press is telling you is that Ukraine has after months of the Spring offensive has made it in some sectors up to the 1st line of Russian defenses . There is brutal warfare being engaged there and very little actual war footage in the US media despite out very large investment in Ukraine's war effort.

    The Russians have adapted from their early ambitions of blitzkrieg swift victory into a more prudent war of attrition. They have paid a heavy price .But history shows Russia frequently takes early losses before eventual victory.

    They are slowly grinding down Ukraine forces (at a quicker rate recently since Ukraine foolishly went on the offensive) . AND they are slowly breaking the resolve of Ukraine's western allies .

    Poland stops sending weapons to Ukraine, Polish leader says | AP News

    McCarthy rejected Zelensky’s request to address Congress during visit | The Hill

    Europe blinks amid calls to stop backing Ukraine – POLITICO

    Germany will provide Ukraine with Taurus missiles if they are programmed not to strike Russian territory (msn.com)

    Russia may now see an opportunity to expand it's war aims from liberating Novorossiya to taking all of Eastern Ukraine where there are large natural gas supplies in reserve .
    Russia Does Not Seem to Be After Ukraine's Gas Reserves | RAND

    Oh did I forget to mention the lithium ?

    It is hard to underestimate the role of lithium in Russia's invasion of Ukraine… | Energy Central

    It is hard to underestimate the role of the control of natural resources in human warfare .
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    Sep 25, 2023, 02:09 PM
    Back to the 'money for nothing' take on the war

    '60 Minutes ' the compliant press investigative reporting show did an expose on things we're financing in Ukraine . Not surprisingly ,we are funding much more than weapons systems .

    American taxpayers are financing more than just weapons. We discovered the U.S. government's buying seeds and fertilizer for Ukrainian farmers… and covering the salaries of Ukraine's first responders – all 57,000 of them.

    In total, America's pumped nearly $25 billion of non-military aid into Ukraine's economy since the invasion began and you can see it working at the bustling farmers market on John McCain Street in central Kyiv.

    According to the monitoring group Transparency International, it's ranked the second most corrupt country in Europe – only Russia scores lower.

    What U.S taxpayers are getting for their money in Ukraine | 60 Minutes - CBS News
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    Sep 25, 2023, 04:35 PM
    covering the salaries of Ukraine's first responders – all 57,000 of them.
    So defunding police departments evidently only applies to liberal cities in the U.S.?
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    Sep 26, 2023, 02:37 AM
    What I don't see is any movement to the negotiation table where this war will ultimately end . Zelensky was here to beg for more weapons ;something that Clueless gladly gave

    US Greenlights Long-Range ATACMS for Ukraine: Report (thedefensepost.com)

    This is a weapon system that Quid Pro Joe had refused to provide in the past because it has the capability to attack inside Russia.

    What's next ? Military advisors like we sent before we went to war in Vietnam ?

    Although Western instruction has reached many Ukrainian soldiers, it has missed the overwhelming majority. That is because Western training has been administered outside Ukraine, from locations across Europe. This distance has limited how many Ukrainians can access instruction and how customized the training can be to the terrain of Ukraine and the specialized tactics needed there. It also limits the extent to which the United States can catalyze enduring transformations in Ukraine’s defense establishment.
    Why America Should Send Military Advisers to Ukraine | Foreign Affairs

    These idiots claim this would not be an escalation .

    What was significant this week was that McCarthy did not genuflect and prostrate himself at the feet of the 21st century "Churchill ".

    Zelensky As Churchill, An Iconic 'V' For Victory Sign By Other Means - Worldcrunch

    As the '60 Minutes ' segment questioning where the money is going signals ;the policy is now finally open to debate . Maybe they can now revisit the Pentagon "accounting error" .

    Pentagon says Ukraine accounting error revealed last month is much bigger than previously stated | CNN Politics

    The vast majority of Congress remains unaware of how much the United States has spent to date in total on this conflict, information which is necessary for Congress to prudently exercise its appropriations power

    Vance-Ukraine-Letter.pdf (senate.gov)

    It is finally becoming ok to question exactly what we are supporting

    Zelenskyy joins Canadian ovation for veteran who fought with Nazis – The Forward

    Give Quid his due . He sees $$$$ (10% for the big guy) in Ukraine reconstruction. To that end he has appointed former emperor Commerce Sec Penny Pritzker to serve as his reconstruction czar .

    US names former commerce secretary, big Democrat donor to coordinate private sector aid for Ukraine | AP News

    I guess it would've been too obvious to appoint Hunter or James Biden to the post.
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    Oct 1, 2023, 05:02 AM
    John Mearsheimer is a Political Science /International Relations professor at the University of Chicago. I don't agree with all of his positions . But about the Ukraine war he has been spot on. He penned a lengthy op-ed I will give the condensed version . His opinion is that the offensive was doomed from the start ;and that Ukraine only went ahead with it ;after dragging their feet ,due to pressure from the West .

    Opinion | Why Ukraine's Counteroffensive is Bound to Fail - News18


    In fact, Western leaders and the mainstream media put significant pressure on Kyiv to launch the counteroffensive in the months before it began on June 4. At the time, Ukraine’s leaders were dragging their feet and showing little enthusiasm for starting the planned blitzkrieg, probably because at least some of them understood they were being led to the slaughter. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy later said on July 21 that, “We did have plans to start it in the spring, but we didn’t because, frankly, we had not enough munitions and armaments and not enough properly trained brigades.”
    Moreover, after the counteroffensive began, General Valerii Zaluzhnyi, the Ukrainian military’s commander in chief, angrily told The Washington Post that he felt the West had not provided Ukraine with adequate arms and that “without being fully supplied, these plans are not feasible at all. But they are being carried out.”

    He correctly says that the reason for the offensive is that Ukraine cannot win a protracted war of attrition. So Ukraine had to go on the offensive.(Lee's desperate gambit in the Civil War in the Spring /Summer of 1863)

    He goes on to explain why Ukraine's "blitzkrieg" was doomed to fail

    In the 11 cases of blitzkrieg, all of which involved striking against an opponent employing a forward defence strategy, the attacking forces broke through the initial line of defence every time. In eight of the eleven cases, the ensuing deep strategic penetration led to a decisive victory. The three exceptions are the German blitzkriegs against the Red Army in 1941 and 1942, and against the Allies in 1944. In all three cases, the defender was able to create new lines of defence in their rear and wear down the Wehrmacht. In effect, both the Red Army’s and the Allies’ forward defence strategy morphed into a defence in depth, which, as emphasised, is ideally suited for defeating a blitzkrieg.

    There are optimistic reports now of Ukraine forces reaching the 1st line of defense trenches . But as I have previously pointed out ,the Russian 'Dragon Teeth ' and mine field defenses are multi-layered . They have strategic openings designed to lure the attacking forces into kill zones.

    There was no chance of surprise either when the attack would occur (it had to be Spring due to weather concerns ) ;nor where it the attack would be aimed . Everyone knew the goal must be to divide the Russian forces and to isolate Crimea.

    There is parity in numbers (Russia has a much larger reserve) and apparently in the quality of the fighting forces (the Russians were able to Ukraine forces out of Bakhmut . Had they been of low moral as was claimed by the compliant press Ukraine would've had an easy victory there. ) The Russians have air superiority . No American force would ever attempt an offensive without it .

    It is now widely recognized that the counteroffensive has failed and there is no serious prospect of Ukraine suddenly achieving success before either the fall rains or Ukrainian leaders shut it down. For example, The Kyiv Independent recently ran a story with the title: “Inching Forward in Bakhmut Counteroffensive, Ukraine’s Hardened Units Look Ahead to Long, Grim War.”
    Relatedly, The Washington Post published an article on 10 August that emphasized the dark mood in Ukraine: “Two months after Ukraine went on the attack, with little visible progress on the front and a relentless, bloody summer across the country, the narrative of unity and endless perseverance has begun to fray. The number of dead — untold thousands — increases daily. Millions are displaced and see no chance of returning home. In every corner of the country, civilians are exhausted from a spate of recent Russian attacks…. Ukrainians, much in need of good news, are simply not getting any.”


    Here are his concluding thoughts verbatim .


    What happens next? Two points are in order.
    First, there will be a blame game in the months ahead regarding who bears responsibility for the disastrous counteroffensive. Indeed, it has already started. Few will admit that they were wrong to think the counteroffensive stood a reasonable chance of succeeding or was sure to succeed. That will certainly be true in the US, where accountability is an obsolete concept. Many Ukrainians will blame the West for pushing them to launch the blitzkrieg when the West had failed to provide them with all the weaponry they had requested.
    Of course, the West will be guilty as charged, but Ukrainian leaders have agency and could have stood up to American pressure. After all, their country’s survival is at stake, and they would have been better off staying on the defensive, where they would have suffered fewer casualties and increased their chances of retaining the territory that they now control.
    The coming recriminations will be ugly and will hinder Ukraine’s efforts to stay in the fight against Russia.
    Second, many in the West will argue that the time is now ripe for diplomacy. The failed counteroffensive shows that Ukraine cannot prevail on the battlefield, so the argument will go, and thus it makes sense to reach a peace agreement with Russia, even if Kyiv and the West must make concessions. After all, the situation will only get worse for Ukraine if the war continues.
    Regrettably, there is no diplomatic solution in sight. There are irreconcilable differences between the two sides over security guarantees for Ukraine and territory, which stand in the way of a meaningful peace agreement. For understandable reasons, Ukraine is deeply committed to getting back all the land it has lost to Russia, which includes Crimea and the Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk, and Zaporizhzhia oblasts. But Moscow has already annexed those territories and made it clear that it has no intention of returning them to Kyiv.
    The other unresolvable issue concerns Ukraine’s relationship with the West. For understandable reasons, Ukraine insists that it needs a security guarantee, which can only come from the US and NATO. Russia, on the other hand, insists that Ukraine must be neutral and must end its security relationship with the West. In fact, that issue was the main cause of the present war, even if American and European foreign policy elites refuse to believe it.
    Moscow was unwilling to tolerate Ukraine joining NATO. It is extremely difficult, if not impossible, to see how both sides can be satisfied on either the territorial or neutrality issue.

    In addition to those obstacles, both sides view each other as an existential threat, which is an enormous obstacle to any kind of meaningful compromise. It is hard to imagine, for example, the US taking its gunsights off Russia in the foreseeable future. The most likely result is that that the war will go on and eventually end in a frozen conflict with Russia in possession of a significant portion of Ukrainian territory. But that outcome will not put an end to the competition and conflict between Russia and Ukraine or between Russia and the West.
    There is anther possibility . Russia sees an opportunity in the weakened Ukraine that has wasted 3 armies ;and as we know ,support for Ukraine has weakened in the West . They could take the opportunity to carve more territory from Ukraine .......perhaps creating a buffer zone at the banks of the Dnieper river ;or less likely ,cutting off Ukraine from the Black Sea.

    Those scenarios are more likely today than before we pushed Ukraine to conduct the counter offensive.
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    Nov 2, 2023, 05:03 AM
    Time Magazine in it's latest expose on Zelenski reveals that
    1 the war is no winnable
    2 that he is delusional

    Volodymyr Zelensky’s Struggle to Keep Ukraine in the Fight | TIME

    This is not written by someone who has opposed the war from the outset. The author ,Simon Shuster was the same reporter who wrote the article naming Zelinsky Tim Mag's 'Person of the year' last year.


    In the article he portrays Zelenski as someone who often has to go it alone . And that is revealing. His own people are the source of what Shuster concludes

    The war aims are unrealistic . But despite that he doesn't adapt . One aide said “He is delusional. We’re out of options. We’re not winning. But try telling him that.”
    Shuster describes him as “immovable, verging on the messianic.”

    That he has wasted a generation of fighting men ...... “even if the U.S. and its allies come through with all the weapons they have pledged, ‘we don’t have the men to use them.’” “In some branches of the military, the shortage of personnel has become even more dire than the deficit in arms and ammunition.” .The average age of Ukraine fighters is 43 and getting older by the day.

    Shuster reports that some field commanders are refusing orders to advance; not out of cowardice ,but because they know the objective is not achievable.

    Ukraine is as if not more corrupt than when they elected him to end corruption . One advisor told Shuster “People are stealing like there is no tomorrow.”

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    Dec 5, 2023, 05:47 AM
    Ukraine’s commander-in-chief, General Valery Zaluzhny, says the battlefield reminds him of the great conflict of a century ago. “Just like in the first world war we have reached the level of technology that puts us into a stalemate,” he says. The general concludes that it would take a massive technological leap to break the deadlock . “There will most likely be no deep and beautiful breakthrough.”
    Ukraine’s commander-in-chief on the breakthrough he needs to beat Russia (economist.com)

    The US has run out of funds and weapons to support Ukraine. The EU has run out ofd funds and weapons. There is no more political will in NATO .

    This winter appears to be going back to the brutal cold realities of winters in the Russian region.
    What Ukrainians need to survive winter | International Rescue Committee (IRC)

    Ukraine was already in a population decline . They have lost half of their population from it's previous high. Russians are capturing pregnant Ukraine women soldiers .

    Ukrainian women on the front line struggle to find uniforms that fit. One couple aims to fix that | CNN

    Fourteen Ukrainians including pregnant woman freed in prisoner exchange | Al Arabiya English

    Wars stalemate and then end swiftly . In the end Russian goals of incorporating Novorossiya (the Russian speaking part of southern Ukraine from Luhansk to Odessa ) will be met . The rest of Ukraine will be absorbed into NATO (or Poland ) .

    This narrative is consistent with the history of the region dating back to the Mongols , Huns, Khazars Tatars ,Cossacks and numerous European empires who have conquered and divided the land .

    Yes there were periods of Ukraine nationalism . But those mostly occured in western Ukraine. The Russian speaking Ukrainians identify with Russian . They never accepted Kyiv rule after the US backed Maiden Revolution in 2013 that ousted Russian sympathizing President [Viktor Yanukovych. While the Russian seizing of Crimea is frequently mentioned the civil war in the Donbas Novorossiya regions is rarely discussed. As in most civil wars ;it was brutal .

    Eastern Ukraine conflict: Summary killings, misrecorded and misreported - Amnesty International

    With or without Russia's intervention conquest or separation was /is inevitable .

    But now western Ukraine will be diminished beyond it's capacity to self govern without a massive Marshall Plan like reconstruction (which I think was the goal of Ukraine's allies anyway)

    Europe’s new Marshall Plan: The EU makes a bet on rebuilding Ukraine – POLITICO

    We had to destroy the village in order to save it.”
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    Dec 5, 2023, 06:20 AM
    Ukraine was already in a population decline . They have lost half of their population from it's previous high. Russians are capturing pregnant Ukraine women soldiers
    All just tragic beyond belief. A hard lesson in this for the West is that we can't solve everyone's problems, and in trying to do so we can make it worse. I suspect that is what happened here.
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    Feb 17, 2024, 03:10 PM
    Ukraine forces have witdrawn from the defense of the city of Avdiivka in the Donetsk province. The city is in ruins and both Russia and Ukraine sustained heavy losses.

    “In a situation where the enemy is advancing on the corpses of their own soldiers with a ten-to-one shell advantage, under constant bombardment, this is the only correct solution,” he said. Russian troops are “numerically superior in terms of personnel, artillery and aviation,” Tarnavskyi added.
    Ukraine’s forces withdraw from key eastern town of Avdiivka after months of fighting | CNN

    This is the butchery that the war has turned into .

    Clueless Joe was quick to blame Congress for the Ukraine strategic withdrawal .

    Biden Administration Blames Congress for Fall of Ukrainian City - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

    The money in the aid package would not have made a difference. The reality is that even when US has unlimited aid military aid to send Joe slow walked it to Ukraine afraid of escalation. We only sent enough for a slow bleed of both sides . The sad truth is Ukraine lost the war a while ago . But Joe needs to stretch it out until the end of the year .
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    Feb 19, 2024, 04:38 AM
    A WAR OF LIESThe war in Ukraine is based on lies — lies about how it started, how it’s going, and how it will end. We are told that Ukraine is winning when in fact it is losing. We are told that the war makes NATO stronger when in fact it is depleting it. We are told that Ukraine’s biggest problem is a lack of funds from the U.S. Congress when in fact the West can’t produce enough ammunition — a problem that will take years to fix. We are told that Russia is suffering greater casualties when in fact Ukraine is running out of soldiers — another problem money can’t fix. We are told that the world is with us when in fact the Global Majority believes U.S. policy is the height of folly. We are told that there is no opportunity to make peace when in fact we have rejected multiple opportunities for a negotiated settlement. We are told that if Ukraine keeps fighting, it will improve its negotiating position when in fact the terms will only get much worse than what was already available and rejected.Nevertheless the lies will succeed in dragging out the war. Congress will appropriate more funds. Russia will take more territory. Ukraine will mobilize more young men and women to feed into the meat grinder. Discontent will mount. Eventually there will be a crisis in Kiev and the Zelensky government will be toppled. And then, when the war is finally lost, when the whole country lays in smoldering ruins on a funeral pyre of their own making, the liars will say “well we tried.” Having prevented any alternative, having smeared anyone who told the truth as puppets for the enemy, the liars will say “We did our best. We stood up to Putin.” In fact, they will claim, we would have succeeded but for the fifth column of Putin apologists who stabbed the Ukrainians in the back. Then, having shifted blame and patted themselves on the back, they will blithely move on to the next war, as they moved onto Ukraine after their disasters in Afghanistan and Iraq. The lies are comprehensive — but they will work.

    David Sacks on X: "A WAR OF LIES The war in Ukraine is based on lies — lies about how it started, how it’s going, and how it will end. We are told that Ukraine is winning when in fact it is losing. We are told that the war makes NATO stronger when in fact it is depleting it. We are told that…" / X (twitter.com)

    Ukraine’s military intelligence in December reported an outbreak of “mouse fever” in many Russian units around Kupiansk in Kharkiv region, which Moscow has been trying to claim for months. The report said the disease is transmitted from mice to humans “by inhaling mouse feces dust or by ingestion of mouse feces in food.”
    CNN has not been able to independently verify the report, but according to the Ukrainian military the ghastly symptoms of the disease include fevers, rashes, low blood pressure, hemorrhages in the eyes, vomiting a
    nd, because it affects the kidneys, severe back pain and problems urinating.

    Rats and mice swarm trenches in Ukraine in grisly echo of World War I | CNN
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    Feb 19, 2024, 06:25 AM
    And then, when the war is finally lost, when the whole country lays in smoldering ruins on a funeral pyre of their own making, the liars will say “well we tried.” Having prevented any alternative, having smeared anyone who told the truth as puppets for the enemy, the liars will say “We did our best. We stood up to Putin.”
    Then the war supporters will want the U.S. to print even more monopoly bucks to rebuild the country.

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