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    Jul 4, 2008, 11:35 AM
    Yet another Obama flip-flop. Why is he doing that so often?
    These days it seems as if Obama is constantly turning in the direction the wind is blowing, just like a wind gauge. There have been so many flip-flops on his positions that it would be easier to keep up with a see-saw. Now, it's the abortion issue. Of course, that is near and dear to me, as I am not a proponent of abortion but the big question, overall, is why is Obama switching so often and sounding more and more like a CONSERVATIVE?

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    Jul 4, 2008, 11:42 AM
    It makes me want to put some Heinz ketchup on waffles.

    WHY? Because politicians Rep or Dem want to appease all sides.
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    Jul 4, 2008, 11:48 AM
    MCCAIN'S ***FLIP FLOPS***



    1. He opposed tax cuts to the wealthy; now supports them

    2. Sponsored major campaign finalcial reform in a bill that bears his name; now against.

    3. Was firmly against torture; now for torture.

    4. Has been on both sides of the ethanol issue, for and against.

    5. Has been on both sides of state promotion of the confederate flag; for and against.

    6. Has been on both sides of overturning Roe v Wade; was against, now for.

    7. Criticized religious right with comments like”agents of intolerance”; now sought
    Support of Haggee and other right wing hatemongers.

    8. Was against sending more troops to Iraq before he was for it.

    9. Was against OFFSHORE DRILLING A MONTH AGO(May 08)NOW FOR
    DRILLING OFF CALIFORNIA AND FLORIDA


    He has no character; McCain will say anything to get elected...
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    Jul 4, 2008, 11:49 AM
    Ah! Now, I 've got it! He's demonstrating that he is TRUE to his cause of CHANGE We Can Believe In! And he is truly true to that cause!

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    Jul 4, 2008, 11:54 AM
    Yeah exactly why when Republicans said WHAT CHANGE he had no answer at the time.


    Politicians motto:
    Be all things to all people to secure all votes possible.
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    Jul 4, 2008, 11:54 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Choux

    He has no character; McCain will say anything to get elected....
    Obama is truly sounding more and more like McCain wouldn't you say, or has he surpassed him in flip-flops in his quest to be elected! :D


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    Jul 4, 2008, 02:57 PM
    David Brewster of Crosscut.com says, "The other reason for predicting a change in Obama's basic appeal is that it can only conceal for so long that his message is a downer, an invitation to swallow castor oil." Obama is an ultra-leftist and the majority of Americans will not go that route, so he must lie, like all Democrat/fascists. Crosscut Seattle - Why Obama's mantra of change has a short half-life
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    Jul 4, 2008, 03:04 PM
    A flip-flop is a 360-degree turn, so you are saying Obama hasn't changed at all.

    The sight of McCain's TEETH scare me!
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    Jul 4, 2008, 07:05 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by SkyGem
    Yet another Obama flip-flop. Why is he doing that so often?
    Because Obama's going after the moderate Republicans to go with the split that he already shares among Independents. By November that will leave Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and a half dozen scorned die-hard Hillary supporters to vote for McCain. ;)
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    Jul 4, 2008, 08:22 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl
    A flip-flop is a 360-degree turn, so you are saying Obama hasn't changed at all.

    Nope. Afraid that's not what that means. Look at this page.

    flip-flop: Definition and Much More from Answers.com

    The sight of McCain's TEETH scare me!
    Then just imagine you're seeing Jimmy Carter with his pearly whites instead!

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    Jul 4, 2008, 09:46 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by SkyGem
    Then just imagine you're seeing Jimmy Carter with his pearly whites instead!
    Obama has nice, white, straight teeth. Hmmmm.
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    Jul 4, 2008, 10:10 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl
    Obama has nice, white, straight teeth. Hmmmm.
    Yeah, Hmmmm... nice that he can AFFORD to get great-looking teeth that are expensive to keep that way. Wish the rest of America could afford such a luxury!


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    Jul 4, 2008, 11:29 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by SkyGem
    Yeah, Hmmmm....nice that he can AFFORD to get great-looking teeth that are expensive to keep that way. Wish the rest of America could afford such a luxury!
    He was born with a nice dental arch and good teeth genes. He brushes twice daily, flosses regularly. Yes, some people actually have naturally good-looking teeth.
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    Jul 5, 2008, 02:48 AM
    'I have repeatedly said that I think it's entirely appropriate for states to restrict or even prohibit late-term abortions as long as there is a strict, well-defined exception for the health of the mother.
    Yes that is an extreme flip from the position he took while on the Ill. State Senate . Back then he refused to support a bill to protect babies mistakenly left alive during abortion.
    He did not want to concede that these babies were "persons." In fact , as chairman of the Senate committee to which BAIPA (Born Alive Infants Protection Act) was sent, Obama prevented it from even getting a hearing. BAIPA stated that all live-born babies were guaranteed the same constitutional right to equal protection, whether they were wanted.

    He has publicly criticised SCOTUS for upholding rulings that ban late term abortions a practice the late great Daniel Patrick Moynihan, once called "too close to infanticide."

    In 1997, Obama twice voted “present” on an Illinois partial-birth abortion ban.

    In February 2004, his wife, Michelle, sent out a fundraising letter, which stated their concern over the rise of conservatism in the Country, and that partial-birth abortion was a legitimate medical procedure that should be protected.

    Yes he is an extremist when it comes to abortion . He wants unwanted babies murdered even after they have survived an abortion attempt on their life .

    He make his position clear when he said he doesn't want his daughters "punished " by having un-wanted babies.

    He can't hide from his record ;and Sky, evidently based on his record and your stated position, you should have no problem voting for him
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    Jul 5, 2008, 03:21 AM
    The NY Slimes editorial board has noticed BO's flips and they are not happy campers

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/04/op...on&oref=slogin
    Now there seems to be a new Barack Obama on the hustings.
    5. Slang
    a. To sell or get by questionable or aggressive means:
    b. To pressure into buying or doing something:
    c. To misrepresent one's skill in (a game or activity) in order to deceive someone.



    We are not shocked when a candidate moves to the center for the general election. But Mr. Obama's shifts are striking because he was the candidate who proposed to change the face of politics, the man of passionate convictions who did not play old political games.
    Obama has no real accomplishments to run on, and a very slim public record. He has made a world of promises to change the world, but there's nothing tangible in his past that he can point to that would demonstrate he has the ability to achieve any of it. If people stop believing in him, if he loses his image as a new kind of politician, if people don't trust his words, what's left? Why take a risk on somebody with practically no experience if you can't trust a damn word he says?

    Keep peeling the onion... you isn't seen nothig yet.
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    Jul 5, 2008, 09:02 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55
    Yes that is an extreme flip from the position he took while on the Ill. State Senate . Back then he refused to support a bill to protect babies mistakenly left alive during abortion.
    He did not want to concede that these babies were "persons." In fact , as chairman of the Senate committee to which BAIPA (Born Alive Infants Protection Act) was sent, Obama prevented it from even getting a hearing. BAIPA stated that all live-born babies were guaranteed the same constitutional right to equal protection, whether or not they were wanted.

    He has publically criticised SCOTUS for upholding rulings that ban late term abortions a practice the late great Daniel Patrick Moynihan, once called "too close to infanticide."

    In 1997, Obama twice voted “present” on an Illinois partial-birth abortion ban.

    In February 2004, his wife, Michelle, sent out a fundraising letter, which stated their concern over the rise of conservatism in the Country, and that partial-birth abortion was a legitimate medical procedure that should be protected.

    Yes he is an extremist when it comes to abortion . He wants unwanted babies murdered even after they have survived an abortion attempt on their life .

    He make his position clear when he said he doesn't want his daughters "punished " by having un-wanted babies.

    He can't hide from his record ;and Sky, evidently based on his record and your stated position, you should have no problem voting for him
    Tom, how can you be so misinformed about my position on abortion! I have repeatedly stated that I am AGAINST ABORTION of any kind, except to save the life of a mother in very extreme circumstances. That would hardly be cause for me to vote for this terrible man whom you have brought out is very PRO ABORTION. Please get your facts straight before you single me out with things like this. Thank you.


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    Jul 5, 2008, 12:46 PM
    Obama doesn't want the question of abortion or not to even exist. To that end, he will push sexual responsibility.
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    Jul 5, 2008, 01:39 PM
    Sorry sky my mistake

    I misread your posting.. The danger of going on line before my 1st cup of coffee.
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    Jul 5, 2008, 01:41 PM
    Obama doesn't want the question of abortion or not to even exist. To that end, he will push sexual responsibility.
    His public record is different .

    But the question does exist... exaspertated by the oligarchs in SCOTUS
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    Jul 5, 2008, 02:19 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55
    His public record is different.
    The oligarchs have nothing to do with a couple's sexual experience (unless they are in the back seat while the couple is parked in the corn field). Obama has two young daughters. His record has nothing to do with the fact that he doesn't want the question of abortion or not to even exist. To that end, he will push sexual responsibility.

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