[tomder55]

Santa Barbara killer Elliot Rodger blamed 10 year old girl Monette Moio for making him hate women - YouTube

[Wondergirl]

Santa Barbara killer Elliot Rodger blamed 10 year old girl Monette Moio for making him hate women - YouTube

Because she and her friends teased and bullied him, not realizing that he had Asperger's.

[tomder55]

well that's a convenient diagnosis. Where is the evidence that he was bullied by a girl 2 years younger than him ? Sorry ;don't buy aspy as a cause.

[Wondergirl]

well that's a convenient diagnosis. Where is the evidence that he was bullied by a girl 2 years younger than him ? Sorry ;don't buy aspy as a cause.

I'm married to an Aspy and could keep you awake for a few hours with the "teasing/bullying" stories I've heard over the years. Kids can be merciless when someone is a bit different.

[Wondergirl]

why would I waste my time reading a 140 page rant ? He complained he didn't get any from a 10 year old girl.

That was NOT his complaint!

[tomder55]

has he gone violent ? I know aspys too. Yea I've heard stories of bullying . Not one of the ones I know wrote a 140 page rant and went on a killing spree .. I read his "father's " quotes about how the rest of the world failed his kid while taking no responsibilty for it . That's because his solution was to give his kid a couple of luxury cars and to send him off to some fancy Hollywierdo " Institute " so he would not have to deal with him.

[Wondergirl]

Elliot's train went off the track, not because he was an Aspy, but for associated reasons. It doesn't sound like there were any interventions to help him improve "negative" Aspy characteristics that were his social downfall.

My husband isn't violent but does get very frustrated and upset when his Aspy idiosyncrasies are pointed out/laughed at.

[cdad]

So why can't one buy a live tank and live ammo? Why not have live grenades available to all? They are only inanimate objects that don't suddenly spring to life randomly attack living people.

You can buy fully functional but it is so expensive that almost no one can afford it.



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[smoothy]

This kids parents had this kid in therapy since he was 8 yers old... he was in therapy almost daily through high school... yet nobody said anything to anyone. How about placing blame where blame is due...his parents were at the top of the ladder. His therapists aren't far behind. Because NONE of them reported him to the authiorities.

And His therapist had a copy of the manifesto 15 minutes before the shooting started....who did they call, his parents. Not the police as they are required to do when threats of violence to others are made.

[paraclete]

what Clete is really looking for is big government to replace a society increasingly lacking a moral compass. The kid's old man makes movies about teens killing each other in a dystopian survivalist ritual (that's when he's making black and white photos of naked women ) .It appears that Elliot Rodgers biggest gripe was that he was not living the fantasy hedonistic life that his Hollywierdo lifestyle suggested was the norm.
BTW ;he ended the murder spree when confronted by armed men. But as is often the case ;when seconds count ,the cops are minutes away.

No Tom what I'm looking for is a society that is mature enough to realise that people are imperfect and cannot be allowed to do whatever feels good, governments responsibility is to provide a safe environment for all, this is why we have laws and when laws are found to be imperfect and not achieving their purpose they are changed. It is obvious that gun laws are not achieving their purpose and people are dying needlessly. It is quite probable that laws relating to mental health are not achieving their purpose and there should be greater control of certain individuals, You go ahead and blame fantasy because one person could not recognise fantasy if you want, but the reality is society failed Elliot, his interaction should have been controlled

[NeedKarma]

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"Inert"
People can't afford them is a cop-out - brokers buy islands for sh!ts and giggles.

[tomder55]

maybe he needed a reeducation camp. That's what his father(the man who takes artsy pictures of naked women,and direct movies about a dystopian teen age world ) tried to achieve by placing him in one of those fancy expensive 'institutes ' for misunderstood pampered children of the rich. You know ...the types of revolving door places that Lindsey Lohan attends on occasion.
If you want to say that sex crazed Hollyweird society failed him ,you may have a point. . His expectation was that if he flashed his father's wealth around that he could 'have 'any woman he desired . Why would he think that ? Because that's what Hollyweird is all about . It was beyond his comprehension that living rich in Hollyweird ,he could not get to 1st base .

[paraclete]

maybe he needed a reeducation camp. That's what his father(the man who takes artsy pictures of naked women,and direct movies about a dystopian teen age world ) tried to achieve by placing him in one of those fancy expensive 'institutes ' for misunderstood pampered children of the rich. You know ...the types of revolving door places that Lindsey Lohan attends on occasion.
If you want to say that sex crazed Hollyweird society failed him ,you may have a point. . His expectation was that if he flashed his father's wealth around that he could 'have 'any woman he desired . Why would he think that ? Because that's what Hollyweird is all about . It was beyond his comprehension that living rich in Hollyweird ,he could not get to 1st base .

So you are saying the concept of prostitution in hollywood eluded him

[cdad]

"Inert"
People can't afford them is a cop-out - brokers buy islands for sh!ts and giggles.

Dont let that confuse you. With much of it you can load it with what is needed to fire it. Just like reloading your own shells.

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[smoothy]

No Tom what I'm looking for is a society that is mature enough to realise that people are imperfect and cannot be allowed to do whatever feels good, governments responsibility is to provide a safe environment for all, this is why we have laws and when laws are found to be imperfect and not achieving their purpose they are changed. It is obvious that gun laws are not achieving their purpose and people are dying needlessly. It is quite probable that laws relating to mental health are not achieving their purpose and there should be greater control of certain individuals, You go ahead and blame fantasy because one person could not recognise fantasy if you want, but the reality is society failed Elliot, his interaction should have been controlled

He should have been locked up years ago... and he would have if the ACLU hadn't won the unlimited freedom of mental patients decades ago from a liberal court.

[Wondergirl]

He should have been locked up years ago... and he would have if the ACLU hadn't won the unlimited freedom of mental patients decades ago from a liberal court.

What did he do years ago to merit being locked up?

[smoothy]

What did he do years ago to merit being locked up?

He was in therapy since he was 8, and DAILY therapy throughout high school. You have to be seriously screwed up to need daily therapy sessions.

[Wondergirl]

He was in therapy since he was 8, and DAILY therapy throughout high school. You have to be seriously screwed up to need daily therapy sessions.

Therapy for what? What was being done?

[tomder55]

So you are saying the concept of prostitution in hollywood eluded him

Not the same . It's about narcissism. The women had to want him to make the conquest a success.
BTW ;he hacked to death 3 of his victims ;he ran down others with the BMW daddy got him. He could've also achieved his goals by being an arsonist and burn down the Sorority House . So this bs about guns is just that . BS . America has had a "gun culture " throughout it's history without these incidents .

You know the answer but will not say it. We have drifted as a society away from God . Elliot in particular was his own god ."How could those girls pick this guy, the descendant of slaves, when they should be picking me, the descendant of English royalty?" He couldn't cope with the fact that he couldn't get a hook up in Sodom.
BTW ,his old man once made a movie where he travelled around asking celebrities what God meant to them. The movie flopped and almost bankrupted him. He then went out and made a success by making a movie about teens who kill each other in a ritualistic survival game.

[smoothy]

Therapy for what? What was being done?

It will come out... but its not been released yet... we only know he was in it.

It is known he was a weirdo....he did have classmates try take him to dances and all he did was sit there and stare at women....thats not normal in anyones book. And certainly not endearing to others. Thats on him...not anyone else.