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    Oct 11, 2021, 01:11 PM
    Quid's mouthpiece explains what he meant to say
    So a bunch of activists did not like that Sen [Sinema was not a goose stepping in lock step Dem. So they cornered her in a bathroom and harassed her . Quid was asked about it and his reply was that was "part of the process." He got called out on it . Peggy Noonan wrote in WSJ :

    His statement on Sen. Kyrsten Sinema being harassed in a ladies’ room by activists who hissed like the devil’s imps was wan and passive-aggressive: “I don’t think they’re appropriate tactics, but it happens to everybody. . . . It’s part of the process.” It doesn’t happen to everybody and to announce it is part of the process is to make it part of the process. It was as if he were saying: Yeah, she’s got me mad. Hound her some more.
    Progressives Hold the Capital Captive - WSJ

    To the rescue came Jen Psaki who in her Baghdad Bob style told us what Quid MEANT to say :

    Q Thanks. I just wanted to come back to the — the incident — the protest that happened with Senator Sinema over the weekend and whether that’s something that the White House or the President has been thinking more about since then.
    MS. PSAKI: Sure. I mean, I would say, I talked to the President about this, maybe two days ago — it’s all running together; in the last few days, I would say — and what he conveyed very clearly — just in case there’s any confusion about where he stands — is that, while, of course, we all agree — and as Senator Sinema said herself — the right to free speech and to protest is sacred to our country, he believes that what happened to her crossed the line and was absolutely unacceptable and flat out wrong to violate someone’s personal space in a bathroom. It doesn’t need to happen that way. We can peacefully protest without it crossing that line.
    So that continues to be his point of view.
    Press Briefing by Press Secretary Jen Psaki, October 8, 2021 | The White House

    So what he actually said was the harassments was part of the process .But what he meant was that it was completely unacceptable and flat our wrong . ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????
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    Oct 11, 2021, 01:20 PM
    ...flat out wrong to violate someone’s personal space in a bathroom.
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    Oct 11, 2021, 02:17 PM
    So what he actually said was the harassments was part of the process .But what he meant was that it was completely unacceptable and flat our wrong .
    It's one of the niceties of diminished mental acuity. You can always change your mind, or in this case someone else can change your mind. Every day is a new day. How else can a person explain his conclusion that the Afghanistan withdrawal was an “extraordinary success?” Yep. It ranked right up there with Pearl Harbor in the annals of American military successes.

    It just amazes me how many people there are whose analysis of a person's actions pretty much start and stop with his identification as "Trump" or "Biden". So what is an outrage in one case becomes wonderful in the other case.
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    Oct 12, 2021, 04:41 AM
    .flat out wrong to violate someone’s personal space in a bathroom.
    But according to Quid it is "part of the process"
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    Oct 12, 2021, 05:00 AM
    Correct. It's part of the process unless, of course, it's NOT part of the process.
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    Oct 12, 2021, 08:39 AM
    flat out wrong to violate someone’s personal space in a bathroom.
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    But according to Quid it is "part of the process"
    And according to Republicans, it's part of the process if someone is transgender.
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    Oct 12, 2021, 10:18 AM
    What repub has said that?
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    Oct 12, 2021, 10:35 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    What repub has said that?
    All you have to do is google "republicans transgender bathrooms" (without quote marks) and you'll pull up pages of websites.
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    Oct 12, 2021, 10:46 AM
    Just the usual reply. "What repub has said that?" Answer basically is, "I have no idea. Do my research for me and find out yourself." Well, no thank you. If you don't know, then just say you don't know.

    We do know that the pres is utterly unconcerned about people following a female Senator into a women's restroom and filming her. That we know for certain. No one has to google it. It is clearly true. It's just, "part of the process."
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    Oct 12, 2021, 11:08 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Just the usual reply. "What repub has said that?" Answer basically is, "I have no idea. Do my research for me and find out yourself." Well, no thank you. If you don't know, then just say you don't know.
    If I post links, you refuse to read them or say the source isn't worthy of expounding on that topic. If I post text, you find one or two words that you spin to make them negate everything in the article (but they don't). Thus, I urge you to use good keywords such as the ones I noted.
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    Oct 12, 2021, 11:13 AM
    I asked a simple question. "What repub has said that?" I asked for no links, but just a simple answer. You don't know an answer. Why not just admit it? Instead, you blame your problem on someone else. Too bad.
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    Oct 12, 2021, 11:29 AM
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    I asked a simple question. "What repub has said that?" I asked for no links, but just a simple answer. You don't know an answer.
    Rep. Mary Miller (R-IL)
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    Oct 12, 2021, 11:32 AM
    You are referring to this? "Rep. Mary Miller (R-IL) issued a press release for H.R. 1417, the Safety and Opportunity for Girls Act (SOGA), which she says would ban schools from allowing transgender students from using the bathroom or locker room that aligns with their gender identity and instead force them to use facilities associated with their sex assigned at birth."
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    Oct 12, 2021, 11:39 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    You are referring to this? "Rep. Mary Miller (R-IL) issued a press release for H.R. 1417, the Safety and Opportunity for Girls Act (SOGA), which she says would ban schools from allowing transgender students from using the bathroom or locker room that aligns with their gender identity and instead force them to use facilities associated with their sex assigned at birth."
    That's only one.
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    Oct 12, 2021, 11:42 AM
    Ok. Where does she suggest a person follow a TG person into a bathroom and film/harass that person? Did I miss that part?
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    Oct 12, 2021, 11:46 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Ok. Where does she suggest a person follow a TG person into a bathroom and film/harass that person? Did I miss that part?
    She doesn't need to. Republicans automatically follow that person in and harass them.
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    Oct 12, 2021, 11:53 AM
    So it still comes down to you have no answer. The question was, "What repub has said that?" You just admitted the person you referred to did not say that. "She doesn't need to." Why the dishonesty? And how do you know that repubs, "automatically follow that person in and harass them?" Is that just an opinion, or can you document it? The harassment of Sinema is documented. Do you have similar documentation to support your statement that repubs "automatically" do so? That's sure seems to be a really bitter and plainly false statement.
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    Oct 12, 2021, 12:23 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Do you have similar documentation to support your statement that repubs "automatically" do so? That's sure seems to be a really bitter and plainly false statement.
    Put on a dress, high heels, a wig, and lipstick, then go into a women's public washroom. Let me know what happens.
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    Oct 12, 2021, 01:12 PM
    repubs say that transformer men have no business being in girls bathrooms . I agree

    I really have no response beyond that because keeping separate bathrooms should be self evident . It is creepy to suggest anything else.
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    Oct 12, 2021, 01:21 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    ... keeping separate bathrooms should be self evident . It is creepy to suggest anything else.
    I agree.

    Hate to disagree with my friend WG, but when I must, I must.

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