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    Mar 15, 2010, 09:31 AM
    Our president
    Hello:

    Those of us who supported Obama thought he was going to bring about the change he campaigned on. Those of you who opposed him thought he would too.

    We were both wrong.

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    Mar 15, 2010, 09:56 AM

    He brought change all right. The unemployment rate is at near record levels... our debt is now at record levels... he has made a laughing stockl out of our country.

    And the arrogant SOB is obsessed with having his face and dumbo ears on the TV every day.

    Any time he shows his face on TV I want to turn the channel. Thank GOD for cable TV I can find a channel he's NOT on spouting his BS and lies.
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    Mar 15, 2010, 10:05 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    He brought change all right. The unemployment rate is at near record levels....our debt is now at record levels....
    Hello smoothy:

    Well, the economic debacle DID occur on Bush's watch... One can't forget that. Oh, I know you'd LIKE to forget it, but I'm going to remind you. And, I don't care how many times he's on TV. I just want him to CHANGE something, - like maybe firing the people at the SEC. The ones who STILL work there, who worked there while we were being ripped off, and they weren't paying attention...

    Changes like that...

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    Mar 15, 2010, 10:10 AM
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    Mar 15, 2010, 10:16 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello smoothy:

    Well, the economic debacle DID occur on Bush's watch... One can't forget that. Oh, I know you'd LIKE to forget it, but I'm gonna remind you. And, I don't care how many times he's on TV. I just want him to CHANGE something, - like maybe firing the people at the SEC. The ones who STILL work there, who worked there while we were being ripped off, and they weren't paying attention...

    Changes like that....

    excon
    Um... the Demcrats had the majority in both the house and the senate the last 2 years of Bushes term. And that's where the "Stumulus" debacle was written. Forget the actaul stats but the majority of democrats voted for it, while it was a minority of republicans.

    Yeah Bush signed it ( a stupid mistake, he should have vetoed it)... but he wasn't solely responsible for it. Obama voted FOR it.

    And it was Chris Dodd a democrat who chaired the Banking Committee during that period. And it Was Christ Dodd, Hillary Clinton and Obama who were the top three recipients of contributions from Wall Street.


    Socialism is change... change we don't need or want.

    Where are the calls to investigate Nancy Pelosi on what she knew and when she knew it...

    She knew about Massa two years ago...

    She was the one demanding the investigateion into the Mark Foley thing which is no different.

    THIS is the most corrupt administration that we have had in at least the last century.

    Why is he hiding ALL of his records... where is his birth Certificate... why are his college grades a national secret? If he was so smart and the brain the left claims... why is he hiding the proof he got higher than a 1.7 GPA.



    This is the USA... you are entitled to the CHANCE to make your fortune... not to have it handed to you after its stolen from someone who earned it.

    Lazy people aren't entitled to anything. They have to earn it like the rest of us. I made a LOT of sacrifices and hard work to get where I'm at now (no I'm not rich either)... they have to do the same.
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    Mar 15, 2010, 10:19 AM

    Hello again, Smoothy:

    Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the kind of stuff that I want him to change. I ain't no mouthpiece for the Democrats in congress.

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    Mar 15, 2010, 10:30 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Smoothy:

    Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the kind of stuff that I want him to change. I ain't no mouthpiece for the Democrats in congress.

    excon
    Releasing his records... and coming to terms that he is president... not the King... will be a good change to start with.
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    Mar 15, 2010, 10:42 AM

    As a former teacher (in parochial schools, not public), I'm watching what is happening with education and where Arne Duncan is going to take us. I firmly believe not everyone has to go to college to be a success. I am in favor of two years of some kind of required volunteer national service (R&B would be provided) -- military, social service, building houses, wildlife concerns -- after high school, or at least somewhere between ages 18 and 25.

    High school has become elementary school, and college has become high school. Students are being taught remedial stuff in high school and even in college, stuff they should have learned in grade school. Students aren't being taught how to think, how to reason, how to analyze, how to use deduction. Bring back into elementary school the Palmer method, diagramming sentences, making an outline before writing a story or essay or term paper. Too many students want the easy way without much or any effort on their part. Hang out for a while on AMHD's Writing and Homework boards, and you will see what I mean.

    *breaks down into wracking sobs*
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    Mar 15, 2010, 10:48 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Too many students want the easy way without much or any effort on their part. Hang out for a while on AMHD's Writing and Homework boards, and you will see what I mean.
    Just to offer another view: that may be more attributed to the arrival of the internet versus bad schooling.
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    Mar 15, 2010, 10:50 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    As a former teacher (in parochial schools, not public), I'm watching what is happening with education and where Arne Duncan is going to take us. I firmly believe not everyone has to go to college to be a success. I am in favor of two years of some kind of required volunteer national service (R&B would be provided) -- military, social service, building houses, wildlife concerns -- after high school, or at least somewhere between ages 18 and 25.

    High school has become elementary school, and college has become high school. Students are being taught remedial stuff in high school and even in college, stuff they should have learned in grade school. Students aren't being taught how to think, how to reason, how to analyze, how to use deduction. Bring back into elementary school the Palmer method, diagramming sentences, making an outline before writing a story or essay or term paper. Too many students want the easy way without much or any effort on their part. Hang out for a while on AMHD's Writing and Homework boards, and you will see what I mean.

    *breaks down into wracking sobs*
    Oh, I agree... I saw that starting in the 70's, and yeah I did start college in late '79. THey have been dumbing things down for a long time rather than pushing them to learn more. I'm not teacher, nor would I make a good one. I don't have the patience for starters. But if they spent more time teaching them what needs to be taught.. and less time on political correctness. THey might learn more.

    In my opinion the decline really became apparent when corporal punishment was outlawed.

    That was the only effective way to control certain kids... they feared nothing but the embarrassment of a paddling.

    I'm not dumping it on all the teachers... only some. It's their unions and the NEA that pushes their agenda ahead of actually educating the kids as a priority. And even the good teachers are hobbled by a left leaning curriculum they are required to follow.
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    Mar 15, 2010, 11:04 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    IMHO the decline really became apparent when corporal punishment was outlawed.
    I disagree. The decline began in the late '60s when women went to work, and parenting and family life changed. People got greedy, and capitalism fed that greed.
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    Mar 15, 2010, 11:17 AM

    Well I am young enough to have not noticed that then... plus I was in a fairly reserved area... I did see a rapid slide happening right at the point of Pollitical correctness rearing its ugly head... then the lack of control and discipline when kids basically doing what they want when they wanted... because nothing intimidated them.

    You may very well be right about it starting in the late 60's. I was just unable to see it from my perspective due to my age, I'm 48 now, so I was in the system at that time, so that's the norm baseline I grew up knowing. There were very few younger teachers when I was in school, so you had older generation teachers doing things the old way... and we basically learned to do the schoolwork that was required... and heaven forbid we didn't. Maybe I was in one of the later holdout areas.

    PS.. I do know when my younger brother came through a few years later... there had been big changes from when I attended.
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    Mar 15, 2010, 11:44 AM

    I've got a few years on you and have watched the changes. I know that the events of the late '60s (many producing good changes and improvements to our lives) turned American life on its head. Unfortunately, bad came with the good. I thank God every day I was taught by my parents and teachers how to think, how not to be bored, how to write thank-you notes and professional business letters, how to diagram a sentence and make a useful outline before writing something, how to appreciate great art and music, how to correctly sew on a button and hem a dress or pants, how to bake cookies or make an entire meal from scratch, how to balance a checkbook, and how to engage a roomful of adults or children. And most of that was taught to me (and all of my friends and classmates) at home by parents. Does that sort of thing happen any more at home and/or at school?
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    Mar 15, 2010, 11:56 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    I've got a few years on you and have watched the changes. I know that the events of the late '60s (many producing good changes and improvements to our lives) turned American life on its head. Unfortunately, bad came with the good. I thank God every day I was taught by my parents and teachers how to think, how not to be bored, how to write thank-you notes and professional business letters, how to diagram a sentence and make a useful outline before writing something, how to appreciate great art and music, how to correctly sew on a button and hem a dress or pants, how to bake cookies or make an entire meal from scratch, how to balance a checkbook, and how to engage a roomful of adults or children. And most of that was taught to me (and all of my friends and classmates) at home by parents. Does that sort of thing happen any more at home and/or at school?
    It did in my house too. But I seriously doubt it is in most places these days... listening to what kids think they are owed I believe teaching those things at home is a lost art.

    And as a guy I did learn to cook, do my laundry, do basic mending, sew buttons back on, Hemming my pants... because in those days they came in long or short and you had to hem to length, and it cost a fortune to pay someone else to do it... and that any bachelor should know how to do anything he needs to survive.

    Yeah.. I learned how to do plumbing, electrical work, carpendery, mechanical work... etc as well. Because what YOU were able to do, you didn't have to pay someone else to do... and that's money you could save for yourself.
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    Mar 15, 2010, 02:49 PM

    He only promised change in the process ;he was the post partisan politician. That's how he advertised himself .

    The fact that those of us who actually dug into the limited public record that was available ;doing the job that the "free press " refused to ,brought us to surmise his true goals.

    Btw ;read my signature quote from his book .It says a lot.

    I guess we lucked out in his inability and ,frankly desire ,to do the hard work necessary to match his ambitions. I should be happy I guess that he handed off his agenda to the likes of the fools on the Hill ,and the overy ambitious David Axelrod (I'll give Rhambo a pass for this thred because I think he understands that the change that is the agena should've been incremental) .

    What really would floor me if it weren't so hilarious is that now he is doing his one true love ;campaigning . However , his biggest argument to the masses is not the utopian balloons he flated in 2008 . He has resorted to Republican rhetoric .

    He isn't selling a single payer socialized government takeover anymore ;even though he has been clear in the past that is his desire.

    He instead uses language like...
    “choice”
    “competition,”
    "reduce government control,”
    “give you more control over your own health insurance.”

    It's all a lie of course .The language of all the bills passed so far is clearly a move for more direct government control . But the rhetoric sounds good on the campaign trail....and like all good Alinskyites ;he has singled out a target to demonize...the insurance companies.

    As for the financial "crisis " ...all the players from the previous adm. sans Paulson are still in goverment hire .
    Ex ;you sound like a tea-party guy !!
    Forget the regulators ,they were doing the desires of the administrations in power for the last 16 years . Why is it that Dodd on the eve of his retirement is floating a watered down version of "reform " ?
    The answer is that despite the flaming rhetoric and faux outrage, the people in power are content with the status quo.

    Wondergirl ;I fully agree with you and if I can I'll find my recent comments on the state of the higher education system I'll link them.

    Edit : found them here
    https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/curren...on-454823.html
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    Mar 15, 2010, 02:57 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    He instead uses language like ...
    “choice”
    “competition,”
    "reduce government control,”
    “give you more control over your own health insurance.”
    I believe he said today that Obamacare would lower insurance costs by 3000 percent. Nice trick if you can do it.
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    Mar 16, 2010, 05:52 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    I believe he said today that Obamacare would lower insurance costs by 3000 percent. Nice trick if you can do it.
    Oh, it might for Chicago inner city slum dwellers... because he wants those of us who worked hard to become a success to pay not only for our own... but for all the inner city high school dropouts and drug dealers too.
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    Mar 16, 2010, 07:01 AM
    The quote:

    How many people are getting insurance through their jobs right now? Raise your hands. All right, well, a lot of those folks, your employer, it’s estimated, would see premiums fall by as much as 3000%, which means they could give you a raise!
    Obviously math is not this deficit hawk's strong suit.
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    Mar 16, 2010, 07:52 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    The quote:



    Obviously math is not this deficit hawk's strong suit.
    Sure ,most employers when given the option of dumping their employee's plan when a "public option" becomes available would gladly exercise it. (yes I know the Senate version drops it but it will be put back in reconciliation).
    http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/03/15...iliation-bill/
    Under those circumstances their premium payout may well drop at that rate ,but the price of health coverage will not change.
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    Mar 16, 2010, 08:01 AM
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    Sure ,most employers when given the option of dumping their employee's plan when a "public option" becomes available would gladly exercise it.
    Hello tom:

    Burdening employers with the cost of health care for their employees WAS a good idea once. But, it puts our industry at a great disadvantage in the worldwide marketplace. Seems like you righty's would LIKE an even playing field in the world. I would. Don't our cars have something like $1,800 built in to them from the get go from medical expenses?? I think they do. Their competitors don't. Hmmmm... I wonder if that has anything to do with the meltdown in Detroit?? Nahhhh.

    However, I don't believe a public option will make it into the bill.

    excon

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