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    #1

    Jul 24, 2008, 11:53 AM
    Obama's Intelligence?
    Seems to be directly linked to his teleprompter.

    How could he be shocked at the fact that the US Troops watch Fox News, almost exclusively?

    He even insinuated that President Bush must have issued an executive order making Fox the only channel available to the troops overseas!

    Is he really that stupid?

    How could he not know that the US Military is predominately Republican?

    How could he accuse the President of dictating what channel they can watch?

    I think it really upset him to know that much of the leftist media garbage that is trying to sell him to the American public, is NOT being viewed by the troops overseas.

    I wonder if that had anything to do with his canceling of the visits to the other military bases, while he worked out at the gym?

    He has no experience in speaking to large groups of people who aren't fainting, or totally in love with him and his socialistic ideals.
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    Jul 24, 2008, 12:00 PM
    All I want to know is why didn't he make his speech in Berlin today in German ? Ich bin ein beginner!
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    Jul 24, 2008, 12:05 PM
    How can you call someone who graduated from Harvard stupid?
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    Jul 24, 2008, 12:15 PM
    Easily.

    He is stupid.

    See, no problem.
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    #5

    Jul 24, 2008, 12:20 PM
    OK.
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    Jul 24, 2008, 12:45 PM
    Maybe Obama is stupidly smart; or smartly stupid?
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    Jul 24, 2008, 02:03 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by spitvenom
    How can you call someone who graduated from Harvard stupid?
    The same way people around here call our current president and Yale graduate a dufus?
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    Jul 24, 2008, 03:37 PM
    Yes President Bush is a grad of Yale and got his MBA from Harvard .
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    Jul 24, 2008, 04:15 PM
    Careful, guys. You'll get this thread closed like I did. You can say the same thing. He is uninformed, na´ve.
    What makes anyone think a university diploma means a person is smart? Look at what a trained seal, porpoise, killer whale, or poodle can do. Ignorance can be cured with information, but education is no guarantee of intelligence.
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    Jul 24, 2008, 05:05 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Galveston1
    Ignorance can be cured with information, but education is no guarantee of intelligence.
    Very good! Is this original?
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    #11

    Jul 24, 2008, 05:12 PM
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    I'd like to read the story for myself. Would you please provide the link? Outside of the entertaining "Hannity and Colmes," Fox is a very dull network when it comes to news commentary. And that's what they are ninety percent of the time, mostly commentary. O'Reilly looks stressed, mostly peeved about life, and Susteren's about as exiting as watching paint dry. They have a few decent guests once in awhile, but for the most I end up surfing channels.
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    Jul 24, 2008, 07:02 PM
    A civil rights lawyer who was the first black man to be president of the Harvard Law Review is stupid? Gee your country really is in trouble!

    Ill go with the lawyer though over the gun crazed maniac who posted this dribble anyday!
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    Jul 24, 2008, 07:33 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by progunr
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    I think it really upset him to know that much of the leftist media garbage that is trying to sell him to the American public, is NOT being viewed by the troops overseas.
    ...
    Did he say all those things? You have a source? We can take some comfort in the fact that leftwing media is getting hurt where it counts: the pocketbook. "Chief Executive Janet Robinson says business was hurt by the "U.S. economic slowdown and secular forces playing out across the media industry." The Associated Press: New York Times 2Q profit drops 82 percent
    And "The New York Times (NYT) fell as low as $12.38 this morning after its second quarter earnings missed estimates. Profits plunged 82% to $21 mn versus the $118 mn posted in the same period a year ago, a period that was helped along by the one-time sale of an asset. The share plunge is the lowest since July 1995. An historic come-down for the newspaper of record, given that in 2003, the stock traded at $45, notes Frazer Rice, a private banker in New York." Profit Plunge at the New York Times at Emac's Stock Watch | Fox Business
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    Jul 25, 2008, 07:13 AM
    You can find this story in many places, some more slanted than others, this was the first link that came up.

    Atlas Shrugs: Obama Whines that Troops Watch FOX News...VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY!
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    Jul 25, 2008, 07:33 AM
    Thanks. Obama appears stupid enough to qualify as a liberal/fascist to me. I believe I recall the Clintons fighting with Armed Forces Radio over Rush Limbaugh's access to the troops in 1993. Liberal/fascists like censorship, right?
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    Jul 25, 2008, 07:41 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by George_1950
    Thanks. Obama appears stupid enough to qualify as a liberal/fascist to me.
    I'm confused on your usage of the word "fascism".

    Fascism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    The place of fascism on the political spectrum remains a particularly debated subject. Fascism opposed communism, classical liberalism and certain aspects of socialism and capitalism.

    Post-war misusage

    The word fascist has become a slur throughout the political spectrum following World War II, and it has been uncommon for political groups to call themselves fascist. Scholar Richard Griffiths asserted in 2005 that the term fascism is the "most misused, and over-used word of our times".[36] In contemporary political discourse, adherents of some political ideologies tend to associate fascism with their enemies, or define it as the opposite of their own views. In the strict sense of the word, Fascism covers movements before WWII, and later movements who some claim have a vague connection to the original form are described as neo-fascist. Some have argued that the term fascist has become hopelessly vague over the years and that it has become little more than a pejorative epithet.
    How can one be liberal and oppose liberalism?
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    Jul 25, 2008, 07:52 AM
    During the 1930s H.G. Wells's theory of revolutionary praxis centred around a concept of 'liberal fascism' whereby the Wellsian 'liberal' utopia would be achieved by an authoritarian Úlite. Taking inspiration from the militarized political movements of the 1930s, this marked a development in the Wellsian theory of revolution from the 'open conspiracy' of the 1920s. Although both communist and fascist movements evinced some of the desired qualities of a Wellsian vanguard, it was fascism rather than communism which came closest to Wells's ideal. However, in practice, despite the failure of approaches to parties of the left and centre as possible agents of revolution, Wells rejected the British Union of Fascists. The disparity between Wells's theory and his actions when faced by the reality of fascism echoes the unresolved tension between ends and means at the heart of the concept of 'liberal fascism'. [Philip Coupland University of Warwick, UK ]

    If fascism is in America then the road was paved by FDR. Mussolini really was a precursor of the New Deal and he was initially regarded with fondness by many on the American left.

    But in truth left and right;liberal and conservative really do not define the spectrum anymore ;the words do not have the same meaning they had at their origin. . A better spectrum would be liberty on one end and jackbooted totalitarianism on the other. I say the drift towards dependence on the government nanny-state is a drift towards the wrong end of the spectrum and is fully compliant with the definition of fascism. .
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    Jul 25, 2008, 07:55 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma
    I'm confused on your usage of the word "fascism".

    Fascism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    How can one be liberal and oppose liberalism?
    American "liberals" are essentially "fascists"; they advocate government control over nearly every aspect of life, without government ownership, which would be socialist. Even Obama gives-in to nationalism to sell his medicine; didn't someone above just write about all the people in Berlin, waving American flags? All of his appearances in the US are adorned with the flag. And his flap, and flip-flops, on when and where to wear the lapel flag? Obama (and most Democrats) never speak about freedom, individual rights, and responsibilities, which are hallmarks of classical 'liberalism'. The US is headed down the road to fascism, in my view.
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    #19

    Jul 25, 2008, 07:06 PM
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    I watched the Fox link on the subject. If I can remember next time that I hear from my army recruiting brother down in Katy, TX, I'll ask him what he watched when in Iraq. He'll probably say he didn't have much time for TV. He was an engineer, and in charge, with the responsibility for his men. Sleep, when he could get it, was priority. Fox is saying there's just three choices. I think, if I were active I would probably split time with Fox and CNN International. Fox gives me my fix of "Hannity and Colmes" and CNN International would allow me to keep up with SE Asia and Israeli news, which are important to me personally. AFN wouldn't give me the entertainment break needed at the end of long day, often fillers of more related duty activities. Obama's complaints, or calculated bellyaching, is only a campaign pitch to get more votes from the military which is traditionally heavy Republican. I do think where the military vote is concerned there will be an above average showing for the Democrat this time around, better than Kerry, but of course McCain will garnish the majority. If McCain doesn't, that means his campaign really screwed up.
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    Jul 26, 2008, 03:09 AM
    Exactly as in topics "Obama did it again" , Is Obama The One? and "Anyone else think the Obama Christmas and birthday routine a bit odd" :

    This topic provides a good view on the level (and lack) of real arguments against Obama.

    What a hypocrisy going on here...

    :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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