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Oct 27, 2011, 04:18 AM
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Obama has met the problem and it is us
He has always shown his contempt for the common folk . During the 2008 campaign he told his Hollywierd elite buddies that we were a bunch of bitter people who "cling to guns or religion, or antipathy to people who aren't like them" .
Now after all his domestic agenda has proven to be a flop ;and he has run out of ideas except more wasted spending on the same,he is back to blaming us for America's woes .
He has recently made a series of statements pointing fingers at the American people . In Sept. he said we "had gotten a little soft and, you know, we didn't have that same competitive edge that we needed over the last couple of decades".
His statements this month echo this sentiment .
"we used to have the best stuff. Think about it: The world used to say 'Let's travel to America. Let's see the Golden Gate Bridge. Let's see the Hoover Dam. Let's see the amazing things that America built.'"
"We have lost our ambition, our imagination, and our willingness to do the things that built the Golden Gate Bridge."
The Golden Gate ,Hoover Dam, yes even the Empire State Building was built in the middle of the last depression .I submit that under today's repressive regulatory environment it never would've happened.
It's not a lack of ambiton,imagination ;it's not a lack of funding Mr President . It's regulations and government interference that prevent and delay such projects . Who on 9-11-01 would've thought that a decade later a new even grander building would not be complete at Ground Zero?. that it would take a decade to dedicate a memorial to the victims ?
Who would've thought that the most productive agricultural land in America would be turned into a desert by the intentional intervention of the Federal Government .
The fact is that under his leadership the United States has fallen behind Rwanda in creating a business friendly environment for starting new business.
http://www.inc.com/ss/9-best-countri...ss-right-now#0
Seeing that his anti-business rhetoric has not helped turn the economy around he now points his accusing finger at the American people . Need I remind him that in 1980 the American people rejected a sitting President who blamed his failures on the American people in favor of a President who celebrated the American spirit and believed in the possibilites of the American business unleashed of the restraints of excessive regulation imposed on them .
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Oct 27, 2011, 04:24 AM
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Tom like it or not it's your thinking. You actually think the world owes you a living. You complain that your president has the affrontary to tell you all you are not number one any more and you need to extracte digitardum,
Okay you built some momuments, very difficult engineering, but get used to it, others have learned your lessons and done better, even the towel headed arabs are doing better and more wonderous things. All it takes is money, something you preferred to spend on wars and battleships.
So throw off the yoke, stop trying to get something for nothing and pay the piper.
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Oct 27, 2011, 04:44 AM
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You actually think the world owes you a living.. . stop trying to get something for nothing
Not me. That would be the American left you would be speaking of. If there is a softness here it is from the left that has nurtured an entitlement mentality . I wonder if the President even knows that the next span connecting San Fran and Oakland is being built as we speak... in China .
New San Francisco bridge built in China to be shipped to US - Telegraph
Now why do you think it was built there ? Why would it be a better deal for the municipalites ;the most progressive state in the union ,to outsource the construction of a bridge and have it transported across the Pacific for assembly rather than build it using American companies ? Do you think it was greedy American companies that turned down such a project ? Why would progressive NYC contract a foreign firm to build it's subway and bridges ? Don't the progressives trust their unionized workers to do the work ?
It's the government that has made American business uncompetitive.
So while the President bemoans the fact that such jobs aren't being done here ;he does nothing to change the fundamental reason why such jobs aren't being done here . Hint.. it's not a lack of government spending. It's a excess of government regulation.
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Oct 27, 2011, 01:33 PM
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We have met the problem. He has been living in Washington DC for 3 years, 1 more before Illinois again.
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Oct 27, 2011, 01:48 PM
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 Originally Posted by tomder55
Not me. That would be the American left you would be speaking of. If there is a softness here it is from the left that has nurtured an entitlement mentality . I wonder if the President even knows that the next span connecting San Fran and Oakland is being built as we speak ...... in China .
New San Francisco bridge built in China to be shipped to US - Telegraph
Now why do you think it was built there ? Why would it be a better deal for the municipalites ;the most progressive state in the union ,to outsource the contruction of a bridge and have it transported across the Pacific for assembly rather than build it using American companies ? Do you think it was greedy American companies that turned down such a project ? Why would progressive NYC contract a foreign firm to build it's subway and bridges ? Don't the progressives trust their unionized workers to do the work ?
It's the governement that has made American business uncompetitive.
So while the President bemoans the fact that such jobs aren't being done here ;he does nothing to change the fundamental reason why such jobs aren't being done here . Hint.. it's not a lack of governement spending. It's a excess of government regulation.
Tom I read your post with interest. Do you think your government legislates that foreign companies should undertake contracts within your shores? You keep telling us how wonderful the free market is, how we should abandon protectionism. This is the result. What you are whinging about is not an excess of government regulation, it is lack of it. You wanted access to our markets for your goods, this is the price
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Oct 27, 2011, 02:00 PM
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Nope wrong again . It's the layer upon layer of regulation that prevents American companies from competing in the domestic market .
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Oct 27, 2011, 02:10 PM
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 Originally Posted by tomder55
nope wrong again . It's the layer upon layer of regulation that prevents American companies from competing in the domestic market .
And when did this regulation occur? In the last two years? Is it the consequence of your various free trade agreements? You are suggesting you have democratised and legislated yourselves out of existence. A true bureaucracy. You are telling us that your multinationals can't go home because there is nowhere to go. Strange that we see them withdrawing from our markets as your depression deepens. If they can't operate here and they can't operate there then the prophesy expressed in the movie "demolition man" is fulfilled, all restraurants are Taco Bell and you are living in the land of the Jolly Green Giant
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Oct 27, 2011, 04:11 PM
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You know I don't confine my critique to the last 2 years . The problems are the results of generations of a drift towards where we are today... I'd say it began in earnest with the Wilson Administration... so we are approaching a century of 'progressive ' policies.
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Oct 27, 2011, 05:07 PM
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Yes, war is such a progressive method of advancing economically.
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Oct 27, 2011, 05:49 PM
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No again you miss the point. The President bemoans we've lost the imagination and initiative that free enterprise encourages .
The Empire State Building ,in the middle of the depression took 1 year and 45 days to complete . These days we can't complete a highway overpass in that time .There were 16 plan changes during construction .
Do you think there is a chance today of that scenario playing out ? No ;each plan change would require a year's worth of hearings ,impact studies ,and law suits .
The Empire State Building ,built by capitalists John J. Raskob and Pierre S. du Pont ,is one that will last for the ages . It is majestic in part because it became part of a competition between du Pont ,and Walter Chrysler ;who almost simultaneously built one of the finers Art Deco Highrise buildings ,the Chrysler Building .
Contrast that with a typical Democrat led project... the Big Dig in Boston. That project began in the early 1980s with a budget of $2.6 billion, but ground wasn't broken until 1991 and the last ramp wasn't opened until 2006. The final estimated cost: $22 billion. $20 billion over cost.
So yes ,I say it's government policies the President should be belly aching about . But that would hit too close to home as he watches one "shovel ready " project not ready to begin. No doubt the Federal Money may help for the blue prints and the endless environmental impact hearings and studies... but it won't help any bridges get built .
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Oct 27, 2011, 08:31 PM
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 Originally Posted by tomder55
So yes ,I say it's government policies the President should be belly aching about . But that would hit too close to home as he watches one "shovel ready " project not ready to begin. No doubt the Federal Money may help for the blue prints and the endless environmental impact hearings and studies ..... but it won't help any bridges get built .
Government policies? No Tom political appeasement, expediency and stupidity. You pandered to the environmentalists and you got environmental impact studies, still the scientists have to work somewhere. I still don't see how this means overseas companies are taking away the work of local companies because of regulation. Aren't they subject to the same regulation? You pandered to the insurance companies and trade unionists and you got workplace safety regulation. Fewer people get killed and the project takes longer. Is this what you are objecting to?
You want to build bridges consult the chinese they don't appear to have any problem building them. Mind you they might fall down in an earthquake. You are actually lamenting that industry is forced to take care and be responsible.
No you are lamenting that people have learned by their mistakes
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Oct 28, 2011, 06:59 AM
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Aren't they subject to the same regulation?
Absolutely not . As the government imposes standards on American firms they get around those same provisions by having the bridge built overseas .
It is of course typical lefty hypocrisy.
As California has passed some of the most intrusive regulations on it's businesses, it purchases from overseas to by-pass it's own regulations ,and to save money that it would otherwise pay to it's now uncompetitve industries.
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Oct 28, 2011, 01:40 PM
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The system has been rigged by the oligarchy that uses the politicians and judges we elected, but they buy, and command while we point fingers at each other.
Take away all the window dressing, and slogans, and chest thumping, and moral religious argument, titles, documents, and professions of freedoms, rights, we are a slave nation.
Money is the master, and we all do what it tells us. Money giveth, and money taketh. Opinions are nice, money is better. You talk of regulation, policy, utopia, none of these is in the realm of the slave, that's the masters choices, and he doesn't care if they are socialist protestants, or marxist, lazy, young or old.
All the master cares about is how much money you make him, and how cheap you sell yourself. When you stop being of value to him, he finds one who is.
Think I'm lying? Try to get elected without the masters money. Them poor protesters are to young to know and accept how it works, but they will. We did, and we sold ourselves cheap. Now they must sell themselves cheaper, so they can get a cell phone with all the apps, to at least tell others they are worth something.
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Oct 28, 2011, 01:45 PM
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Is that your malaise speech ? It sure sounded like Obama's .
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Oct 28, 2011, 01:51 PM
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Tal's right I have been trying to tell you you are just capitalist slaves but you don't want to listen. They sing freedom's song and enslave you with debt
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Oct 28, 2011, 02:49 PM
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No Tom, not malaise, just remembering the days of youth when I promised myself not to be a slave to the system, and feeling a lot of empathy to youth that still believe it can be changed and every one can pursue their own happiness, and freedom isn't a slogan.
Sure looked good on paper though. I thought I was free, because there were no chains and whips, but they beat my a$$ with a dollar, or the pursuit of it, and I admit, on payday it felt great have a few dollars, and I thought those lazy boobs with no job, are idiots. Then it hit me, they didn't want to be slaves, and had figured out, it was better to be a dependent than a slave.
What's amusing in all this, slaves work their a$$ off to be called free, and not be called lazy, but dependents don't give a crap what they are called. Whose free here?
Oh well, at least my resume says I am a more valuable slave than yours does. So I deserve a few more bucks than you do.
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Oct 28, 2011, 03:28 PM
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 Originally Posted by talaniman
Oh well, at least my resume says I am a more valuable slave than yours does. So I deserve a few more bucks than you do.
Well so does mine but I became debt free ten years ago and coincidently threw off the yoke of slavery. Now my time is my own and I don't worry about how many more bucks I should earn than you.
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Oct 28, 2011, 03:51 PM
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No your time is not your own, only what master says is your own. When he says "be here", you better be. Try telling him you made other plans and let me know how that works out for you.
Makes you feel better to think you have thrown that yoke off, huh?
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Oct 28, 2011, 04:06 PM
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 Originally Posted by talaniman
No your time is not your own, only what master says is your own. When he says "be here", you better be. Try telling him you made other plans and let me know how that works out for ya.
Makes you feel better to think you have thrown that yoke off, huh?
Tal I well remember the day my Managing Director invited me to dinner and I told him I had a prior engagement. I worked for that company for another five years. As far as the yoke is concerned, I have been my own boss for over ten years. I have never been a sicophant. As you should well know by now I have my own views, including many regarding the systems of government we live under.
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Oct 28, 2011, 04:11 PM
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No your time is not your own, only what master says is your own. When he says "be here", you better be. Try telling him you made other plans and let me know how that works out for you.
Yeah I bet your life sucks
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