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    May 17, 2011, 05:29 PM
    NY 26th Budget cuts v Mediscare v Trojan Tea Party Candidate
    Jack Kemp's old district in Republican reliable Snow Country is up for grabs in a special election next week.

    This seat was a solid Republican seat for years. It voted twice for president George Bush and solidly for John McCain in 2008'

    But it became vacant after incumbent Chris Lee decided he couldn't keep his shirt on (and probably his pants. He got caught responding to a personal ad from a woman on Craigslist . When she saw he was a married Congressman she submitted the evidence to Gawker. Lee quickly resigned .

    Guv Cuomo called for a special election for May 24.

    The candidates are :
    Assemblywoman Jane Corwin (Republican)

    Erie County Clerk Kathy Hochul (Democrat)

    'Buffalo Beast 'editor Ian Murphy (Green Party).He's the clown who prank-called Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker pretending to be David Koch.

    Jack Davis ( a phony Dem who hijacked a place on the ballot under the 'Tea Party.')

    This race is too close to call between Corwin and Hochul .It wouldn't be if Davis wasn't grabbing significant votes from Republicans who have not done their research to show he's a Dem in Tea Party clothing . Murphy is not really a factor.

    This race has grabbed national attention because the Dems think they can pick the seat off. Money is now pouring in to the candidates .Madame Mimi and other prominent Dems have been in for fundraising and campaigning .The House crier ; Speaker Boehner has also come to the oft neglected region of NY .

    Both major parties are spending a fortune now . The issues are Kathy Hochul's support for big government spending . Jane Corwin is accused of supporting the Ryan plan for Medicare . This could've been an early indicator of the national mood going into 2012 if it was a 2 party race.

    Davis is a Dem plant taking advantage of NY's "liberal" use of 3rd party ballot slots.He's a fraud who is as much a tea party person as Chuck Schumer . Davis ran for office in 2004, 2006, and 2008 as a big government Dem.
    The Tea Party Express got involved this week and formally is endorsing Corwin.Tea New York spokesman Rus Thompson says his group is backing Corwin. Truth told ,there is no tea party group that will endorse
    Davis because he's a phony .

    Davis has been endorsed by the local ACORN party, the Working Family Party. He is pro-abortion ,supports partial birth abortions.

    Davis is calling for a new tariff program advocated by Keynesian lefty economist Paul Krugman. He is opposed to any
    Entitlement reform at the federal level.

    This race could've become a referendum on the Ryan plan or the Democrat big government approach .Instead it became a side show. The Tea Party needs to address this problem before the 2012 elections before anymore TINO's(teaparty in name only)hijack the name.
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    May 17, 2011, 05:40 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Davis has been endorsed by the local ACORN party, the Working Family Party. He is pro-abortion ,supports partial birth abortions.
    More tomder55 lies:
    Jack on the Issues | Jack Davis for Congress | JackDavis.org
    I oppose partial birth abortion and all federal funding for abortion and agencies that provide abortion.
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    May 17, 2011, 05:51 PM

    Maybe the Washington Compost is lying too ?
    Davis favors gun rights and abortion rights.
    Who is Jack Davis? - The Fix - The Washington Post

    Can you show me anywhere that I claimed he favored either partial birth abortion or funding Federal funding ? Answer NO

    Go away .You have nothing to contribute.
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    May 17, 2011, 05:54 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Can you show me anywhere that I claimed he favored either partial birth abortion or funding Federal funding ?
    Sure - in your opening post:
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Davis has been endorsed by the local ACORN party, the Working Family Party. He is pro-abortion ,supports partial birth abortions
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    May 17, 2011, 06:24 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Jane Corwin is accused of supporting the Ryan plan for Medicare

    This race could've become a referendum on the Ryan plan or the Democrat big government approach .Instead it became a side show.
    Hello tom:

    Couple things... She is accused of supporting it, because she SAID she did: the Ryan plan "protects Medicare".

    And, it IS a referendum on the Ryan plan. The fact that it ISN'T a slam dunk for Republicans, in this SOLIDLY Republican district, tells you how popular the Ryan plan is.

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    May 17, 2011, 06:35 PM

    YouTube - Jack Davis on Late-Term Abortion

    YouTube - Jack Davis on Federal Funding of Abortion
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    May 17, 2011, 06:41 PM

    The fact that it ISN'T a slam dunk for Republicans, in this SOLIDLY Republican district, tells you how popular the Ryan plan is.
    I'd believe that if Davis wasn't going peeling off about 20% of voters who think there is a TP candidate on the ballot.
    Too bad... I would welcome a true campaign between 2 candidates with opposing views on the Ryan plan. Instead there is a trojan horse that will distort the results.
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    May 17, 2011, 06:53 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    I would welcome a true campaign between 2 candidates with opposing views on the Ryan plan.
    Hello again, tom:

    It'll happen. Wait till 2012.

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    May 18, 2011, 05:02 AM

    Yes... it will not be this race . This posting is also a warning to people who think TP candidates represent their views just because they run on a TP line . This will be a problem in States like NY that usually allow multiple 3rd party slots on the ballot and relatively easy process for getting them on the ballot.
    This guy is running as a Tea Party guy when he is clearly a rich Dem. In TP clothing . Actually he's like Donald Chump ;Republican-turned-Democrat-turned-Republican-turned-'Tea Party' candidate . He ran all his other races as a Dem.
    After three straight losses as a Democrat, Davis courted the right — though he’s provided no roadmap to explain his shift.

    After failing to win the endorsement of either the Republican Party or the Conservative Party in this special election, Davis started a ‘Tea Party’ line.

    Tea party activists were miffed; Davis never talked to them or asked for their support. He just got to the Board of Elections before they did. In New York, anyone who files 3,500 signatures to get their name on the ballot can create their own party line. (In New York, candidates can run on a variety of “lines”, allowing for multiple candidates on the ballot in a general election.)

    Now, neither party wants him. When he went to the Republican Party in hopes of an endorsement this year, he shocked officials with his suggestion that Hispanic farmworkers be deported and replaced with inner-city African-Americans. (“We have to put the blacks back to work. If we had less immigration, we’d have more blacks working,” an unrepentant Davis told a local paper after the event.)

    While Republicans have worked to paint him as a liberal Democrat and Democrats insist he’s a Republican at heart, Davis’ ideology is too inconsistent to be readily categorized. Davis favors gun rights and abortion rights. He’s also an outspoken immigration opponent and believes Mexican immigrants will start a new civil war.

    But his real issue is free trade. Now 78-years-old and a life-long resident of western New York, Davis graduated from Buffalo University with a degree in engineering. He founded a silicon carbide heating elements company, I Squared R Element, in 1964. He was a Republican until about a decade ago; that’s when the decline of American manufacturing became his overriding concern. He was kicked out of a 2003 fundraising dinner with then-Vice President **** Cheney for raising the free trade issue. Soon after, he became a Democrat and started running for office.

    He avoids actual campaigning. He’s refusing to participate in debates, as he did in his past bids. Last night he apparently hit a Republican volunteer trying to get him on videotape.
    Who is Jack Davis? - The Fix - The Washington Post

    He will pick off enough votes to make this race close. The difference will not be the issues debated so any talk of this being an early indicator of 2012 is fanciful.
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    May 24, 2011, 07:02 AM

    This special election is today. The question to decide is who killed or will kill Medicare as we know it ?

    Is it Ryan and his proposal to reform Medicare ? Or it it Obama Pelosi ,Reid ,and their $575 billion in cuts from the program's funding over the next 10 years ? This at the same time Obamacare increases eligibility . So more seniors will be eligible and less $$ available for a program already on the ropes .
    So who's really rolling grandma over the cliff ?
    How will the shortfall be covered ? Well there is this thing called the Independent Payment Advisory Board who will decide if grandma should be covered . Do you think there decisions will be based on whether grandma needs the treatment ,or if the government program can pay for it?

    The other issue here is a warning to any Republican who thinks it's a good idea to run an independent campaign in 2012.

    Currently it looks like Democrat Kathy Hochul has a small lead going into the polling today in this traditionally Republican district. There is a false flag Tea Party impersonator on the ballot who will pick off enough votes from Republican Jane Corwin to possibly throw the election to Hochul.

    Beware the trojan tea bag . It contains poison.

    Oh yeah... one more.. a warning to Republican officials... keep your shirts on ,your hands to yourself ,and your privates in your pants . Dems can get away with that . Republicans can't .
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    May 24, 2011, 07:09 AM

    Hello again, tom:

    Given that the Tea Party Candidate has been found out, it really IS turning out to be a referendum on the Ryan plan. You and your minions can say it isn't.. In fact, I hope you do say that.

    Plus, you blame the Democrats, but are unwilling to touch ANY of your rich supporters gold... I suppose I could say that it's THEM who are killing Medicare. Why not??

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    May 24, 2011, 07:22 AM

    Under the Ryan plan the rich have to pay more out of pocket. It's the people with less $$ who get the voucher benefit because they are individually risk-adjusted and the poor, who are in worse shape than the rich, will get bigger vouchers. Those who will have to pay more out of pocket will be the rich. . You know that and I know that.

    Also the Ryan plan reduces or eliminates loop holes that favor the rich . Obama has done nothing about that except talk a great game.

    The Dems.plan of demagoging this with 'Mediscare' may work in this race because there are too many Republicans who are not adequately coached or educated on the plan. That unforced error will be corrected by next year.
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    May 24, 2011, 07:43 AM

    Hello again, tom:

    You STILL are not addressing the 600 lb. gorilla in the room.. It matters NOT how many vouchers you give to the old and infirm, if there's NOBODY on the other end to take them. Without being forced, there's NO insurance company in the world who would WILLINGLY sell insurance to these sick and old people.. It's just not profitable.

    Plus, IF, as you say, the vouchers WILL cover the needs of the old person so he DOESN'T have to go into his OWN pocket, Medicare ALREADY does that, and it does it CHEAPER than private insurance companies could.

    The TRUTH of the Ryan plan, that YOU don't mention, is that EVERY old person will dig into his own pocket to cover the shortfall in his medical care. THAT is the PURPOSE of the program - to SAVE MONEY..

    If, again, as you say, it's the RICH who are going to be bearing the burden of the Ryan plan, why don't you just TAX the rich NOW and leave Medicare alone?

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    May 24, 2011, 08:03 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    there are too many Republicans who are not adequately coached or educated on the plan. .

    Or as my Dad always said, "not all republicans are idiots, but most idiots are Republicans". :)
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    May 24, 2011, 09:47 AM

    You STILL are not addressing the 600 lb. gorilla in the room.. It matters NOT how many vouchers you give to the old and infirm, if there's NOBODY on the other end to take them.
    I'll raise the 800lb gorilla... the service providers that are no longer taking Medicare patients.
    When Doctors Opt Out - WSJ.com
    When Obamacare begins reducing reimbursements more as a cost saving this will become a crisis .

    BTW ;many seniors with preexisting conditions supplement their Medicare with private insurance already. How'd they do that ?
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    May 24, 2011, 10:05 AM

    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    BTW ;many seniors with preexisting conditions supplement their Medicare with private insurance already. How'd they do that ?
    Hello again, tom:

    Uhhh, because the LAW makes 'em. There AIN'T no physical for ANY Medicare supplemental policy. But, they ain't complaining... This is a gimme program, cause they're WELL subsidized to make up for the profits they DON'T get from selling insurance...

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    May 24, 2011, 10:06 AM
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    BTW ;many seniors with preexisting conditions supplement their Medicare with private insurance already. How'd they do that ?
    My husband had stent surgery last year. It came to $82,000+. He was just past his 65th birthday. Medicare picked up all but $1,200. The insurance he has through his former workplace, which had paid for a bypass about eight years ago, refused to pay anything.
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    May 24, 2011, 10:11 AM
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    My husband had stent surgery last year. It came to $82,000+. He was just past his 65th birthday. Medicare picked up all but $1,200. The insurance he has through his former workplace, which had paid for a bypass about eight years ago, refused to pay anything.
    Holy crap! Here your costs would be for extras like a private room, no other costs involved.
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    May 24, 2011, 12:58 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    My husband had stent surgery last year. It came to $82,000+. He was just past his 65th birthday. Medicare picked up all but $1,200. The insurance he has through his former workplace, which had paid for a bypass about eight years ago, refused to pay anything.
    I'd be willing to bet Medicare didn't pay almost $81k, they pay according to a fee schedule. So how much did the providers write off?
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    May 24, 2011, 01:03 PM
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    I'd be willing to bet Medicare didn't pay almost $81k, they pay according to a fee schedule. So how much did the providers write off?
    Providers? The paperwork said Medicare paid it.

    That site is for physician fees. His cardiologist accepts Medicare reimbursement, so he charged accordingly.

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