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    Dec 5, 2018, 10:57 PM
    Now if only we could do that here
    https://www.mail.com/int/business/ma...-stage-hero1-1

    The French government has had to cave on plans to increase taxation to help with climate change. It is time for us all to rise against this insane nonsense. In my own nation we have been subject to a fuel tax for a long time and it is onerous but we did succeed in getting government to back off on a carbon tax, however our energy prices are still onerous so "viva la revolution" time to stick it to that bunch of wankers and make them act
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    Dec 6, 2018, 10:16 AM
    Europe lost common sense well before Macron. Just a matter of whose next. Hard to discuss important global issues when local masses are catching hell.
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    Dec 6, 2018, 08:12 PM
    Which local masses are they? The French local masses are doing it to themselves, they are a nation with a low carbon footprint so investing more in the climate lie is stupid and the people see it. They don't want to pay for what others won't do. I agree with them. Trump is not on board for the Paris accords, maybe he knows something, maybe he doesn't, but what we all know is; no matter what targets are set, and reached, the cry of zero emissions will remain. I'm satisfied that my nation has set a 25% target but the lunatic fringe wants the target to be reached immediately so new more stupid targets can be set. For the record we haven't built a new coal fired power station in zonks and have retired a number of the least efficient stations, but the cry remains, we are not doing enough
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    Dec 7, 2018, 10:55 AM
    Helluva task to reach a consensus plan of action, isn't it?
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    Dec 7, 2018, 02:38 PM
    Not really, if we didn't have idiot groups like the greens it could be done in a bipartisan manner but the rabid left keeps biting the hand that feeds it
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    Dec 9, 2018, 07:55 AM
    go yellow jackets ! The idiots in the centers of powers Paris ,Washington ,Canberra have no clue what their decrees do to the provincials .
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    Dec 9, 2018, 02:54 PM
    Let them eat cake but remember the consequences
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    Dec 9, 2018, 03:03 PM
    Macron says let them eat carbon.
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    Dec 11, 2018, 06:29 PM
    I'm not sure Macron has any idea, his appeasement hasn't worked. We really need to get over these ideas that climate change can be altered by taxation
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    Dec 12, 2018, 06:51 AM
    It was designed as an incentive to develop alternative energy sources, and offset the flaws and actual damages done by burning fossil fuel. Isn't that a good thing? I guess not if you believe burning fossil fuel does NO harm, or if you don't have enough money for your household and in abject poverty.
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    Dec 12, 2018, 09:06 AM
    You don't understand France it doesn't burn coal for power and so the attack is directly on oil as fuel. Develop electric vehicles by all means and give government subsidies to do so but a fuel tax is not an incentive
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    Dec 12, 2018, 10:12 AM
    Big Biz, even fossil fuel companies are always looking to get around taxes and it's only logical to change products to do so. It's always about the money Clete, not the good for humanity.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_tax

    Prices of hydrocarbon fuels are expected to continue increasing as more countries industrialize and add to the demand on fuel supplies.
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    In addition to creating incentives for energy conservation, a carbon tax would put renewable energy sources such as wind, solar and geothermal on a more competitive footing, stimulating their growth.
    David Gordon Wilson
    first proposed a carbon tax in 1973.
    [34]
    https://www.planete-energies.com/en/...bon-tax-france

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-f...-idUSKCN1C21DL

    Maybe see the carbon tax as a subsidy to fund and develop alternative energy sources would give a better perspective given the costs of renewables.
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    Dec 12, 2018, 02:30 PM
    Taxation is theft however you look at it, you left leaners don't get it, taxation is a blunt instrument
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    Dec 12, 2018, 04:39 PM
    Everybody does it even Aussies. What are you saying about we humans?
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    Dec 12, 2018, 06:06 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Everybody does it even Aussies. What are you saying about we humans?
    Yes, they tax our fuel, and make things difficult, they tax our liquor and our beer but we remain human, so which humans are you referring too? Taxation is still theft, a levy imposed upon those who live in the system
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    Dec 13, 2018, 07:29 AM
    I refer to all humans and being taxed. Where is this tax free state you speak of?
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    Dec 13, 2018, 08:51 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Taxation is theft however you look at it,

    No, it isn't. Theft is against the law. Taxation is legal.
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    Dec 14, 2018, 08:10 AM
    See it as tithing. The government passing the basket before you spend it for most citizens through an agreement with the boss. For the wealthy, the government takes their word about what they throw in the basket and they always have options as to what their contribution is.
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    Dec 14, 2018, 01:54 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    See it as tithing. The government passing the basket before you spend it for most citizens through an agreement with the boss. For the wealthy, the government takes their word about what they throw in the basket and they always have options as to what their contribution is.
    Don't see tithing as a correct expression of doctrine either, Tal and taxation is not tithing since it is far more than 10%
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    Dec 14, 2018, 05:14 PM
    I don't say its doctrine but obviously it's practice, and what does the set level have to do with it? What of those who pay no tithing or taxes?

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