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paraclete · May 25, 2014, 06:35 PM

My book says Don't hate, love. My book says beat the swords into ploughshears, my book also says don't tolerate evil, if you have evil people come out from among them

talaniman · May 25, 2014, 07:26 PM

Denigrating a whole peoples religion for the behavior of a few is not love. No more than bad behavior in the name of whatever your god. Especially given we see bad behavior in every religion, or nonreligion.

Or is the real problem there is one God but different books? Or maybe the problem is that who writes the book says who God is. And ENFORCES their law. Regardless hate is hate no matter the book, or what you call your god.

paraclete · May 25, 2014, 08:12 PM

who denigraded their religion, they did it themselves, their hate spilled over into the attack on people who had nothing to do with them and what about those who danced in the streets when your nation was attacked. I expect you will tell me that is the act of a rational people just following their religion which is to be repected. You pat them on the head if you want. Nazism was in itseelf a athiestic expression of a religious system which has been outlawed for its atrocoties, I say Islam possesses many of the same characteristics. Even Egypt, a Muslim country recognises that the behaviour of certain islamists is unacceptable, the behaviour of the followers of Islam in Africa is unacceptable, in Syria is unacceptable, you even started a war because the behaviour of islamists was unacceptable and yet you want to defend them. idealistic nonsense.

How far do they have to go until, like the Japanese, you have to use the ultimate solution to stop them

NeedKarma · May 26, 2014, 02:59 AM

who denigraded their religion, they did it themselves,

Yep, that's what the catholics did.

Nazism was in itseelf a athiestic expression of a religious system

That makes no sense whatsoever.

talaniman · May 26, 2014, 07:15 AM

So you don't believe that most Muslims want the same thing you do. To live in peace, thrive and prosper? You would rather hate and rant on them all and blame their religion instead of understand the few are making BS for the many.

If their hate and denegration is WRONG, so is yours.

cdad · May 26, 2014, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

So you don't believe that most Muslims want the same thing you do. To live in peace, thrive and prosper? You would rather hate and rant on them all and blame their religion instead of understand the few are making BS for the many.

If their hate and denegration is WRONG, so is yours.

The problem with any system gone bad is the box. People live in that box and it becomes part of their accepted lifestyle. Right now there are many that are allowing that box to expand. It is the real problem behind radical muslim behavior. It must be fought against from all sides and those inside the box need to learn that there are other ways of life otherwise we risk being consumed by its ways. Change needs to come from within as well as from the outside. Acceptance isnt going to create change. This behavior has been this way throughout mans history. Make no mistake what is happening now is no less dangerous then what it has been in the past.

talaniman · May 26, 2014, 08:17 AM

From the Jews to the Gentiles many religions have undergone the same changes the Muslim world is now going through, and it does take a long time to even recognise the repressions and figure out what to do to change it. It usually involves a big internal/external war and struggle before freedom is achieved.

I give you credit for your reference to RADICAL Islam. At least you recognize its a smaller group that is raising hell to keep power over the many.

paraclete · May 26, 2014, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

So you don't believe that most Muslims want the same thing you do. To live in peace, thrive and prosper? You would rather hate and rant on them all and blame their religion instead of understand the few are making BS for the many.

If their hate and denegration is WRONG, so is yours.

Tal I have have heard the attitudes, you get close to a muslim and he will talk about jihad, fighting for his muslim brothers, this attitude is not confined to muslims but it must be rooted out. I heard the same attitudes in Scotland when they spoke about the problems in Ireland. it had nothing to do with nationalism and whole lot to do with hatred. Dad identified it well, the system has gone bad. Karma spoke of the catholics denegrating their religion but it isn't the same thing when a predatory priest preys on a child, the people don't condone the behaviour, but where are the muslim voices condemning the behaviour? No they applaud as if the victory of a small group is a victory for all. Do you think 200 girls can just vanish in Nigeria without the help of the population, that the population arn't in sympathy with Boko Harum?

Wondergirl · May 26, 2014, 02:53 PM

I supervised many male and female Muslim, Hindu, Christian, and atheist library volunteers for over 15 years and worked side by side with them and similarly affiliated coworkers. Never was the word "jihad" said, even in jest.

paraclete · May 26, 2014, 03:23 PM

No the word is not popular now, but it used to be popular with every muslim expected to respond. I first heard it in response to the Israeli Six Day war. A christian will not use the word it is not part of their psyche and hindus don't have the concept but are very defensive about religion

smoothy · May 26, 2014, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Not sure I understand your issue with them having more xmas decorations that you - jealous?

I was out of town a few days...

Nope... you watched Christmas Vacation with Chevy Chase a few times to many. We don't have one of those Christmas Decoration competitions going on that can be seen from the International Space Station. In fact my decorations are fairly modest by local standards.

paraclete · May 26, 2014, 06:37 PM

There is a disconnect here somewhere, I suspect it occurs at the Canadian border

smoothy · May 26, 2014, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by paraclete

There is a disconnect here somewhere, I suspect it occurs at the Canadian border

I was thinking the city limits. Maybe even the front door.

paraclete · May 26, 2014, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by smoothy

I was thinking the city limits. Maybe even the front door.

call it how you like it's your front door, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt

smoothy · May 27, 2014, 04:47 AM

Originally Posted by paraclete

call it how you like it's your front door, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt

I mean HIS front door... their attitude isn't common in the USA... and I honestly don't think it is in Canada either based on the other Canadians I know.

NeedKarma · May 27, 2014, 05:07 AM

Which attitude is that?

And by your previous comments about Canada it's plainly obvious that you have no friends here nor have you visited for any amount of time.

smoothy · May 27, 2014, 05:28 AM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Which attitude is that?

And by your previous comments about Canada it's plainly obvious that you have no friends here nor have you visited for any amount of time.

Your numerous comments have proven your world view is based exclusively on what you hear on TV and the radio (which is basicly pure propaganda), and that you haven't been outside of your own city much if ever.

NeedKarma · May 27, 2014, 05:35 AM

So what attitude were you referring to?

P.S. not sharing my world travels with you, I don't have a need to impress anyone.

smoothy · May 27, 2014, 05:36 AM

Give it some thought... I think you have a naïve perspective of the world... but I don't think you are dumb.

NeedKarma · May 27, 2014, 05:37 AM

Here we go again, the refusal to answer by playing childish games.