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jlisenbe · Dec 8, 2018, 09:37 AM

1. You said it "just" happened, and then you link to a newspaper article from August containing a story that has already been demonstrated to be a non-factor in any criminal accusation against Trump. So yes, you are wrong.
2. I don't blame you for non commenting about HC. She is without question the most plainly guilty person of the whole group. And as usual, your comment about holding noses must apply to yourself as well as the rest of us.
3. You don't provide details because you don't know any. I am not going to do your work for you. You make accusations. You back them up. If you can't, then don't make them.
4. Manafort's convictions have not been demonstrated to have any connection with Trump.

As I've said many times, it's all about politics.

talaniman · Dec 8, 2018, 09:56 AM

Your post doesn't surprise me since you have a knack of letting things that don't meet your own sense of truth go over your head. No I didn't hold my nose and vote for Hillary, because I have watched the right wing noise machine spout all kinds of accusations with no evidence that ends up in court even after decades of investigations.

That's not politics, that's insanity by incompetents. Simply put, you've been ignoring the facts about the dufus and his antics for a long time and now they just keep coming back in the court of law, as sycophants go to jail. No amount of semantic parsing will alter that reality, nor can you dismiss them.

It's not over so keep defending those criminals the dufus brought with him. It's amusing to watch you right wingers head explode when you find out your insanity has bitten you in the arse once again.

Wondergirl · Dec 8, 2018, 10:26 AM

One of my favorite columnists said this in today's Chicago Sun-Times:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/columni...ladimir-putin/

jlisenbe · Dec 8, 2018, 10:31 AM

That's not politics, that's insanity by incompetents. Simply put, you've been ignoring the facts about the dufus and his antics for a long time and now they just keep coming back in the court of law, as sycophants go to jail. No amount of semantic parsing will alter that reality, nor can you dismiss them.

Trump hasn't been in a court of law. He has not even been charged with a crime. And you pretending that HC was a totally innocent individual is laughable. She was guilty of criminal activity. Even Comey said so, but then declined to prosecute her. So go on holding your nose and pretending otherwise, but you are not fooling anyone.

Again, it's all about politics.

Wondergirl, you need something better than an op-ed piece from the Chicago Sun Times. You need to work much harder.

For the record, if anyone actually comes up with a crime committed by Trump, I'll be all in for an investigation, but be sure to ask yourself if you felt the same way about Bill Clinton.

Wondergirl · Dec 8, 2018, 10:55 AM

Wondergirl, you need something better than an op-ed piece from the Chicago Sun Times. You need to work much harder.

JL, you obviously didn't read the link I posted. You're still one of those running horses Gene Lyons talks about. :D

An excerpt: "Nobody knows exactly how the story’s going to end, but it’s surely significant that White House spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders has switched from saying there was no collusion with the Russian government during the 2016 campaign to emphasizing that the president wasn’t personally involved.

Big difference. And she’s said it several times, so it’s no accident."

Tell you what, JL -- I won't post any more op-ed pieces if you don't drag Hillary into any of these discussions.

jlisenbe · Dec 8, 2018, 11:14 AM

JL, you obviously didn't read the link I posted. You're still one of those running horses Gene Lyons talks about. :D

I did read it.

An excerpt: "Nobody knows exactly how the story’s going to end, but it’s surely significant that White House spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders has switched from saying there was no collusion with the Russian government during the 2016 campaign to emphasizing that the president wasn’t personally involved.

Weak as water. I mean, the best they can come up with is "it's surely significant". Are you kidding? "I mean, I think it might possibly be perhaps significant." Could be summarized by saying, "We have no evidence." Trump Derangement Syndrome at work.

Link all the op eds you want. You won't get rid of HC that easily! I use her to point out that all of the "holier than thou" people who are up in arms about mere allegations against Trump were strangely quiet when it was clearly proven that HC broke the law. Why??? Politics. Pure politics.

talaniman · Dec 8, 2018, 12:49 PM

I can't blame you for stubbornly sticking to your position, nor dismissing the position in others but when a guy who pleads guilty and says he was doing it at the bosses orders I call that some pretty good EVIDENCE, and expect a lot more.

jlisenbe · Dec 8, 2018, 12:57 PM

who pleads guilty and says he was doing it at the bosses orders I call that some pretty good EVIDENCE, and expect a lot more.

And was told by the FBI, "Sing, and we'll be more lenient." Besides, if that's all there is, then it's just "he said, he said". Now you are free to expect more, but that's really questionable.

talaniman · Dec 8, 2018, 01:12 PM

I expect a dem house to do a REAL investigation, starting in January, and Mueller to continue sending folks to jail. You have to figure that Mueller has evidence through documentation, and testimony to verify what he has learned and if not for the dufus being the prez, he would have been indicted as there is PLENTY of probable cause.

jlisenbe · Dec 8, 2018, 06:21 PM

I expect a dem house to do a REAL investigation, starting in January, and Mueller to continue sending folks to jail. You have to figure that Mueller has evidence through documentation, and testimony to verify what he has learned and if not for the dufus being the prez, he would have been indicted as there is PLENTY of probable cause.

We'll just have to wait and see. Their effort to have a kangaroo court failed, thankfully, with Kavanaugh, so we'll see how it goes.

talaniman · Dec 8, 2018, 06:34 PM

I can wait as a real investigation winds its way though the legal process unlike the sham investigation repubs perpetrated on the country with the SCOTUS nomination.

paraclete · Dec 8, 2018, 09:51 PM

Sour grapes

tomder55 · Dec 9, 2018, 04:59 AM

Mueller isn't going to touch Trump. Not so sure I can say the same thing about Campaign Finance violations . Southern District NY seems determined to indict Trump. Campaign finance violations are usually not treated as felonious criminal violations just as the Foreign Agent Registration act isn't[. But in this case they appear to be treating them as heinous acts of crime. Prosecutors would have to establish criminal intent which is probably a bar too high to hurdle . Oh the irony . 20 years after Bubba got in legal jeopardy for trying to cover up an extra-marital affair ;Trump gets himself into the same trap.

tomder55 · Dec 9, 2018, 02:48 PM

Robert Khuzami, the Acting US Attorney in US 2nd District NY filed a sentencing memo claiming Trump organized illegal payments. Khuzami doesn’t know the law. Non-disclosure contracts are legal in every state. It’s not an illegal campaign contribution.

paraclete · Dec 9, 2018, 02:56 PM

I feel a Supreme Court action coming on

talaniman · Dec 9, 2018, 03:21 PM

No way does the repub senate impeach the dufus over campaign finance felonies. But I seriously doubt that's all Mueller has.

paraclete · Dec 9, 2018, 06:29 PM

He doesn't have squat

talaniman · Dec 10, 2018, 04:19 AM

Aw, come on Clete. Don't be such a sourpuss Aussie who doesn't give a fig about American politics. You can't know what Mueller has, nobody does, but you have to admit at least he has exposed and caught a few swamp critters in Washington, and that alone is a better job of it than the dufus who PROMISED to drain the swamp if elected.

Even the rats are abandoning the ship, and the dufus can't find enough cheese to replace them... YET!

paraclete · Dec 10, 2018, 05:56 AM

That is what comes of not having a political party behind you. You can make just so many enemies. We all have to give a fig about American politics because you haven't got it all together and you have elected a dangerous man to be president

talaniman · Dec 10, 2018, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by paraclete

That is what comes of not having a political party behind you. You can make just so many enemies. We all have to give a fig about American politics because you haven't got it all together and you have elected a dangerous man to be president

Repubs are fully behind our dufus whether from fear, anger, or both. They want what they want and that may be the conflict ultimately because dems want what they want to. That's just the natural course of things since we are a rather large ATIVELY engaged country, with a wide reach I admit. Expectations are globally mixed, and grant you events lately are quite challenging given the reputation we have built. That last statement you made is proving very true and not surprising, but just another challenge to face.

LOL, NONE of the nations have it ALL together Clete, and it's still a messy process trying to get it together.