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    Jul 9, 2008, 11:12 AM
    Mount Shasta
    The glaciers on Mount Shasta in California keep growing

    Glaciers on California's Mt. Shasta keep growing - USATODAY.com

    Is this evidence of global warming or cooling ?

    I don't know... maybe I should ask my psychiatrist .

    Doomed to a fatal delusion over climate change | Herald Sun
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    Jul 9, 2008, 11:19 AM
    Tomder:
    You don't need a psych
    I think them global warming alarmist just watched Frosty the Snowman one TOO many times.
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    Jul 9, 2008, 11:41 AM
    Aside from the Mt Shasta news, glacier melting and increased movement contributes little to rising sea levels, and here's a revelation, Higher CO2 levels may be good for plants. If you knew that rising CO2 levels were good for plants then go to the head of the class and forget the shrink :)
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    Jul 9, 2008, 11:58 AM
    Yeah Quinn the radio talk show host has been saying for over a year that plants need the CO2 and the environmentalists are trying to fix one problem with another that will only create worse results. As he says that is a true sign of a wacko liberal.
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    Jul 9, 2008, 12:01 PM
    So that's why my tomatoes are growing so well this year!!
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    Jul 9, 2008, 12:07 PM
    ... and it is why this summer is the coldest, dampest, least sunny summer I have EVER seen in over 50 years!
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    Jul 10, 2008, 07:07 AM
    Hello:

    Gosh. I pricked my finger and didn't die. Maybe death is just a hoax too.

    excon
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    Jul 10, 2008, 07:13 AM
    Then again ;if I thought my finger being pricked would result in my death ,perhaps I would also need that psychiatrist .
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    Jul 10, 2008, 07:19 AM
    And speaking of needing the shrink . I think this group here should walk to the head of the line


    Our leaders are in carbon-cloud cuckoo land - Telegraph
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    Jul 10, 2008, 07:26 AM
    Hello again, tom:

    If I thought that more snow on Mt. Shasta meant that there's no such thing as global warming, I'd certainly never admit my ignorance to my friends.

    excon

    PS> Tell me this, of man of science. If more snow on Mt. Shasta means that there is no such thing as global warming, wouldn't the fact that there might not be any polar ice this year for the first time in millennia, mean there IS such a thing as global warming?

    Or are you going to say, like your unbelievably ignorant brethren, that it's a good thing because it would open up new sea lanes?
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    Jul 10, 2008, 08:00 AM
    Well I 'm glad you asked that question . I will use science and common sense to give you a plausible hypothesis as to why the polar ice is melting .

    Hidden 2.5 miles beneath the Arctic surface, there are volcanoes.They formed along the Gakkel Ridge, where two rocky plates are spreading apart, pulling new melted rock to the surface.

    Fire Under Arctic Ice: Volcanoes Have Been Blowing Their Tops In The Deep Ocean

    Gakkel Ridge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Please note the location of the ridge in relationship to the pole...

    And compare it to the map location where the ice melt is happening the fastest according the Independent UK .
    Exclusive: Scientists warn that there may be no ice at North Pole this summer - Climate Change, Environment - The Independent


    Until now, scientists thought undersea volcanoes only dribbled lava from cracks in the seafloor. The extreme pressure from the overlying water makes it difficult for gas and magma to blast outward.

    But Robert Reeves-Sohn of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts discovered jagged, glassy fragments of rock scattered around the volcanoes, suggesting explosive eruptions occurred between 1999 and 2001.The eruptions discharge large amounts of carbon dioxide, helium, trace metals and heat into the water over long distances.

    Now I see that some scientist dismiss this hypothesis ;but I think it is at least a plausible as any other explanation I've heard.
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    Jul 10, 2008, 08:23 AM
    Hello again, tom:

    Hmmm. Very interesting.

    In truth, I don't know if putting tons of CO2 into our atmosphere effects the climate or not. However, my common sense says that it does.

    I was born in a time when we thought our space was soooo big, that we could just throw our trash into the street and it wouldn't matter. But, we found out that it DID matter. When I was in the Navy, we thought the oceans were sooo big, that we could just throw our trash off the fantail and it wouldn't matter. But, we found out that it DID matter.

    Seems to me that you think our atmosphere is sooo big, that we can just throw our trash out there and it won't matter. But, I think we're finding out that it DOES matter.

    Given our not so good history, why would you think that it wouldn't matter?

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    Jul 10, 2008, 08:41 AM
    Because I think that this is the new version of Y2K
    Even though there are hundreds of scientists who doubt the conclusion ,anyone who disputed it gets branded a charlatan . Especially galling is that the high priest of the movement in no way practices what he preaches . What ? The Goracle traded in his carbon consuming mansion for a grass yurt ? I don't think so.

    What they propose as a solution is draconian ,and even if possible without wrecking the economies of the developed world ,will take a longer then they claim we have.

    The history of the climate that we have recorded shows periods of warming and cooling much more severe than what is predicted . Was there SUVs driving around when Greenland was green ?

    Conservation and cleaning the air are worthy goals without this pretending that what is best a hypothesis is "settled science" .
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    Jul 10, 2008, 08:52 AM
    Hello again, tom:

    I understand now.. If weren't for some LIBERAL imposing his will upon you, you'd be throwing your garbage in your alley.

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    Jul 10, 2008, 09:45 AM
    Perhaps you did not read my response carefully .

    Conservation and cleaning the air are worthy goals without this pretending that what is best a hypothesis is "settled science" .
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    Jul 10, 2008, 09:49 AM
    Yeah it is not an if you don't believe in global warming then you are for pollution as people have made it out to be. It is more Don't buy into the political scam.
    Global warming is being set up as a way to later control us even more. Already they are saying not only will we need an emissions sticker on our cars but now they ARE working on stickers for the car for global warming too.
    Then we are going to have to go to the carbon credits. The poorer will be out of luck once their credits are used up.
    Basically they are setting it up as another way to 'tax' us.
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    Jul 10, 2008, 04:32 PM
    Not to worry! Goracle will come up with a plan to move those glaciers from Shasta to the pole. It will only cost a gadzillion dollars which will be taken away from only people earning over 1/4 mil. Annually.
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    Jul 10, 2008, 07:54 PM
    If you believe that co2 is resposible for global warming, and humans are responsible for it, then why don't these beleivers do their part: take a deep breath and NEVER exhale. I would like to see the Goracle demonstrate this.
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    Jul 11, 2008, 12:39 PM
    Yeah, you still need a psychiatrist! LOL! Just pretending everything is just hunky-dory doesn't mean things are JUST GREAT! (This is a big problem for the religious right, like yourself, who substitute education with wishful thinking! Hey, it's easier! )

    Check the latest news on the glaciers in the Southern Hemisphere!! :(
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    Jul 11, 2008, 02:25 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Choux
    Yeah, you still need a psychiatrist! LOL! Just pretending everything is just hunky-dory doesn't mean things are JUST GREAT! (This is a big problem for the religious right, like yourself, who substitute education with wishful thinking!! Hey, it's easier!!)

    Check the latest news on the glaciers in the Southern Hemisphere!!. :(
    Yeah, a glacier in Argentina calved in winter. If they're smart they'll take advantage of the situation and make beer out of it - like the Greenland Brewery does.



    Capitalism and ingenuity at work solving the problem of rising seas due to global warming. All that extra CO2 in the atmosphere is probabaly great for our hops crop, too :D

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