Hello:

So, how are you with that? I'd especially like to hear from those Constitution loving Tea Partiers.

excon

The Mosque is going to be 2 blocks away from Ground Zero ,not at Ground Zero .

There are already many mosques in NYC... many already linked to jihadistan and terrorist organizations .I support Peter King's call for an investigation into the funding of the mosque. If it passes a clean bill of health ,and this edifice is not housing jihadist front groups ,then they have a right to build the mosque.

But I suspect King knows something that he wants revealed that way. Not to worry NY AG Andrew Cuomo is on top of it.

Maybe after it's built it will be the venue of choice by Eric Holder to try KSM .

Sadly Government incompetence and bureaucratic inertia brings us to a point where a mosque will be constructed in the area before the memorial is built . No doubt the effort to build the mosque will be streamlined while the city still delays the rebuilding of the WTC site over the most minor details .

Like turncoat Scott Brown ? Twinkie called that one right .

Seems appropriate to me.

A compliment coming from you Tomder is well taken.

*******deep bow from the waist*********

Thank you. Some days the old lady gets stuff right.

What do I think of the mosque near ground zero? I think it's wrong, wrong, wrong.

Many years ago before there was a World Trade Center Twin Towers Complex I would ride around NYC in a car on the weekends and look at all the boarded up Jewish shops and tenements ready for demolition where the Twin Towers Complex was to be located. This was the old Jewish community in NYC and was there for decades. I found it quite sad that all the people had to be relocated in those neighborhoods who had lived there for many years. Then I would drive around and watch the digging of the sub basements, then the street level, and then watch as the buildings took shape but had no occupants in it yet.

For the people who lived on that site prior to having their homes demolished I feel it would be wrong, wrong, wrong to have a mosque anywhere near the ground zero site.

I would make this akin to having the Statue of Liberty statue bombed and obliterated and then erecting a (mosque, church, temple or whatever) on Bedloe's Island facing an empty pedestal where the SOL once stood.

I think whoever's idea that was placing a mosque to close to the site needs their head examined with a grenade shoved down their throat.

*******steps off her rickety soap box*******

What in the world is happening to this country if they allow this?

I'm furious! That's all just furious.

I agree with you but for the reason that it disrespects the memory of those killed by muslim fundamentalism. The way muslims stamp their place on the territory is by erecting a mosque, they did it in Jerusalem and because it is there they claim possession,and now they want to do it in NY

Muslims are exploiting the political correctness of Western countries and playing us for fools. They know that elites are too afraid too stand up to them and will coddle them and excuse their behavior no matter how far they go. It's up to regular people to start electing politicians who will defend our rights and stop pandering to Muslims.

Hello earl:

Who is the "our" you refer to above?

excon

Good luck on finding politicians who will stand up for anything.

The name of the Mosque was to be called the Cordoba House . Why is that name significant ? Because Cordoba is the city in Spain (Andalusia) first conquered by the Jihadists in 711 and became the capital of the Caliphate in Europe.

A large Mosque was built in Cordoba ;as has been the practice of political jihadism ,building mosques on conquered territory... often on what is considered "sacred ground"... simular to the construction of a mosque on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. This is not on the site of the WTC itself ,but the top floor looms over it.

The developers of the mosque decided to change the name this week because it was too obvious a connection . The new name is 'Park51' ;named for the address of the building .

The development group is still 'The Cordoba Project.

Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf is the chairman of the Cordoba Initiative. The group claims to be "moderate " ;but some of his public statements have been far from it. I'm looking closer at that aspect of this story.


Historic St Nicholas Greek Orthodox church was buried when the Twin towers came down . Only a handful of damaged icons and religious items were found amongst the rubble.

It was founded 1916 by Greek immigrants .Efforts to rebuild the church has been stalled in the overall delays I already spoke of ;endless negotiations, design disputes, delays and mounting costs.
The developers of the Cordoba mosque plan on completing the project for an opening date of Sept. 11, 2011... the 10th anniversary of the attack. Rumors of a planned 757 flyover have not been confirmed.

Hello tom:

Cool. Now I know the name. What I DON'T know is if you think the mosque should go in, EVEN if it's a couple blocks away. What I REALLY want to know is your stand on freedom of religion, and whether you think it means YOUR religion should be free, but NOT the others..

excon

Well the name is significant given the symbolism and history behind the name . It's the equivalent of naming a Cathedral in Mecca St. James the Moor Slayer.

It is a transparent insult ,a taqqiya,to suggest that this would represent tolerance and understanding The name mocks that suggestion.

This has nothing to do with religious freedom. No one is saying Muslims can't worship . As far as Constitutional issues ,the 1st Amendment is clear . It restricts Congress from making laws restricting the free exercise of religion.It doesn't say a local government cannot place zoning restrictions on where a place of worship can be constructed.
As I already stated ,there are hundreds of mosques in and around NYC . There is even one already in the WTC area . It's been there since 1970.

I think the people of the area have a complete right to decide if another one should be there. In this case I could argue that the community would be in complete compliance with the "compelling interest" doctrine SCOTUS adopted in cases like this.

Let me ask you . When people are fined by local governments because they violated the zoning rules when they hold prayer meetings in their private homes ,are you out front supporting their right to do so ? That is something that happens frequently . The Jewish communities in the NY area frequently get into zoning disputes with townships over the placement of Yeshiva. In fact ,every year hundreds of proposed houses of worship are turned down by local governments due to far less reason. You see ;since we make the mistake of making religion a tax free enterprise ,municipalities often see prime real estate untaxed while they are still compelled to provide the services like traffic control to the structures... often assigning police presence during hours of worship.
Imagine the extra security costs alone for NYC if this is permitted .

Now I expect that NYC will most likely approve this plan. The local advisory board has already recommended it.

The only thing that will prevent it is public opinion. In England the people blocked the building of a huge mosque on the site of the Olympic village. It can be done ;and it can be done constitutionally .

Hello again, tom:

Bull pucky. SHOW ME!

excon

It happens all the time . This is one example that was posted here .

ADF - News Release

Couple: County Trying To Stop Home Bible Studies - San Diego News Story - KGTV San Diego

And more

Liberty Magazine | Under the Watchful Eye: Free Exercise of Religion in the Home?

firstamendmentcenter.org: news

http://www.uchastings.edu/site_files...2_F_3d_342.pdf

Hello again, tom:

Wow. You poor persecuted Christians. I can't imagine how you've managed to survive as the dominate religion when you're under sooooo much government assault...

For the record, I am a supporter of our First Amendment, as you might imagine. Consequently, a zoning board CAN limit HOW a building is built. But, assuming a mosque is built just like the building across the street is, it would be UNCONSTITUTIONAL for a zoning board to outlaw it BECAUSE of the faith of the users.

Toward that same end, if a private home is REGULARLY being used like a commercial building, then the zoning board DOES have jurisdiction. Those regulations, too, should not be enforced based upon the REASONS the home is being used commercially.

Having said that, pursuant to the First Amendment, people are allowed to pray ANYWHERE they choose - especially in their own homes. Certainly, these violations didn't occur because a family or even a pastor had a spontaneous prayer meeting. Nope, I suspect their houses were treated more like churches with REGULAR meetings.

And, if they weren't, and these were simply people praying in their homes, the cop was wrong, wrong, wrong.

excon

It's related to the NASA Administrator Ret. Marine General/Astronaut Bolden, saying that the President charged him with reaching out to the Muslim world and engaging much more with predominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contributions to science, math, and engineering.
Maybe locating the mosque near WTC location will help to boost the esteem of Muslims knowing that there are no hard feelings about the 9/11 situation?
Ex, do you think that a Retired Marine Gen. feels good when he praises Muslims while his fellow Marines are dying at the hands of Muslims in two or more Muslim countries?
He evidently does because he smiled broadly when he told Al-Jazeera that he was assigned to do the feel good tours even before he became NASA chief.

This is a carton depicting NASA giving an esteem balloon to a Muslim.

To better understand the Mosque at ground zero issue, picture Bloomberg in place of the balloon toting astronaut. The CIC may have had a discussion with him similar to the NASA chief pep talk.

We have the politically correct concept down pat. It is time we had some patriotic correctness.

The founders did not envision the day when our enemies would use the openness of our culture to kill us, while we praise them. Or that terroists would prey on the goodwill of Americans. I think if they saw that it does that, they would vote to make some changes. But more likely, they would "discipline the geniuses" who have misinterpreted their
Document.

Smear case . I call it the hidden Mordred in our system. I assume you are familiar with the story of Camelot and how Arthur's son used the "system " Arthur devised to bring Camelot down .

Hello again,

So, I guess the answer to my question is that you believe in freedom of religion as long as it's YOUR religion... I also guess that you think that belief makes you American. It doesn't.

excon