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NeedKarma · May 9, 2011, 02:25 PM

You think these nutjobs represent "the left'. In the same way that we should think the Westboto Baptist Church represent all Christians.

paraclete · May 9, 2011, 03:18 PM

So the tree huggers are loose again what we say down here is they have a kangaroo loose in the top paddock. There is no way the kangaroos are going to get the right to carry a gun.

smoothy · May 10, 2011, 05:00 AM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

You think these nutjobs represent "the left'. In the same way that we should think the Westboto Baptist Church represent all Christians.

The difference here is nobody has given the Westboro church a license to do what they want and force everyone to do their bidding. THey do have that same freedom of speech the left was so fond of when Cindy Shehan was spewing her crap.

The Left HAS given the EPA free reign to operate outside the boundaries of the law or oversight. And that is an important distinction between those two.

speechlesstx · May 10, 2011, 05:06 AM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

You think these nutjobs represent "the left'. In the same way that we should think the Westboto Baptist Church represent all Christians.

I mentioned Van Jones is largely behind this, a guy appointed by Obama as his green jobs czar. I'd say that makes him a leader one way or another. No one gives the Phelps any credibility but themselves.

tomder55 · May 10, 2011, 05:10 AM

Yes ,these 'nutjobs' represent the highest levels of our government . The EPA was given broad ,almost dictatory discretion on the environment ;and Van Jones was a key White House environmental czar until his crazy rhetoric became too over the top even for the Obots.

NeedKarma · May 10, 2011, 05:25 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

yes ,these 'nutjobs' represent the highest levels of our government .

No they don't. It's people who have a website. They aren't senators or governors: ExecuThe Executive Committee for Global Alliance for the Rights of Nature | Rights of Nature
How are they "the highest levels of our government"?

tomder55 · May 10, 2011, 05:39 AM

Don't know what you linked to. What I saw on the OP was the official EPA site.
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NeedKarma · May 10, 2011, 05:44 AM

I linked to the website in the post speech made which kicked off this discussion: Ask Me Help Desk - View Single Post - Latest weapon in the war on climate change. That's the nutjobs I was referring to.

tomder55 · May 10, 2011, 05:49 AM

And as we already mentioned Van Jones represents 'mainstream' left thinking and only resigned (not fired) after his rhetoric was exposed .

NeedKarma · May 10, 2011, 05:51 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

Van Jones represents 'mainstream' left thinking

I think that the sooner you understand that no one person represents a whole group you'll understand things better. Try to think of people as individuals not groups.

tomder55 · May 10, 2011, 05:54 AM

How many individuals do we have to use as illustration until it becomes representative of what the group thinks ?

NeedKarma · May 10, 2011, 05:56 AM

That's a good question. I don't know. But I'm pretty sure that it isn't "one". I think you'll be pretty hard pressed to find a large number of people that share the same views. Why are you so interested in grouping people? Does it satisfy a need for you to belong to a group?

tomder55 · May 10, 2011, 06:12 AM

This isn't about me.

speechlesstx · May 10, 2011, 06:45 AM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

I linked to the website in the post speech made which kicked off this discussion: Ask Me Help Desk - View Single Post - Latest weapon in the war on climate change. That's the nutjobs I was referring to.

And among those nutjobs, Van Jones on the board of the Pachamama Aliiance. (from your link and my video). Others on that board of note, Michael Olmstead, Catherine Parrish and John Perkins.

NeedKarma · May 10, 2011, 06:47 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

And among those nutjobs, Van Jones on the board of the Pachamama Aliiance. (from your link and my video). Others on that board of note, Michael Olmstead, Catherine Parrish and John Perkins.

So? You can start a website and an organization too. Do it!

speechlesstx · May 10, 2011, 06:58 AM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

So? You can start a website and an organization too. Do it!

It's not a website, it's a movement, and they're dead serious.

NeedKarma · May 10, 2011, 07:00 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

It's not a website, it's a movement, and they're dead serious.

Ok, start up a counter movement. One that keeps the ideals of all righties alive.

excon · May 10, 2011, 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

It's not a website, it's a movement, and they're dead serious.

Hello Steve:

A movement to prove what's already been proven?? Dude! Uhhh, by the way, there's only a war when BOTH sides engage in it... You're the only one fighting this one. The world believes what the scientists say... Bummer that you don't... You DO know that the Earth is round, don't you?

excon

speechlesstx · May 10, 2011, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello Steve:

A movement to prove what's already been proven??? Dude! Uhhh, by the way, there's only a war when BOTH sides engage in it.... You're the only one fighting this one. The world believes what the scientists say... Bummer that you don't... You DO know that the Earth is round, don't you?

excon

It's been proven that nature deserves human rights?

paraclete · May 10, 2011, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

It's been proven that nature deserves human rights?

So monkeys should be allowed to drive a car or an elephant buy the house next to you. Get real! Nature deserves respect that is very different to rights