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    Jun 3, 2018, 08:52 PM
    "If Trump Shot Comey", Trump's Lawyer Giuliani's Latest Bizarre Hypothetical
    As the Republican Party rapidly changes America into a Banana Republic, Trump's lawyer sinks into absurdity after absurdity.

    In an attempt to assure that Trump is above the law and cannot be prosecuted, interviewed, or any way hindered in any way he does not wish to be hindered, the unhinged Giuliani now gives the world a hypothetical in which Trump shoots ex-FBI Director Comey.

    Giuliani claims that even such a murderous felony would not compel the president to be subject to the law. I'm not making this up.

    Giuliani, a well-educated lawyer, in almost daily utterances spews again and again a magnificent ignorance of the most basic principles of law. A principle that was first broached in the English-speaking world almost a thousand years ago when King John signed the Magna Carta which made the King subject to the law. Even schoolboys know that.

    The pop-eyed Giuliani has become such an embarrassment, even Colludin" Donald doesn't know what to do with him. He's running out of legal "talent" to fire, and the best law firms in Washington refuse to represent Trump because he doesn't listen to his lawyers' advice and he doesn't pay his legal bills.

    As Trump becomes more and more cornered like the rat he is, he will probably start to throw pardons around including himself (!) in a last-ditch attempt to save his own guilty skin.
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    Jun 4, 2018, 05:02 AM
    Reminds me of the cop chasing the crook and the crook throws whatever he can get his hands on at the cop while he runs. It always ends in a nice fight when the cop catches him and handcuffs the crook after whooping his butt!
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    Jun 4, 2018, 12:56 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Reminds me of the cop chasing the crook and the crook throws whatever he can get his hands on at the cop while he runs. It always ends in a nice fight when the cop catches him and handcuffs the crook after whooping his butt!

    If it were only that simple and comical. I think it's quite a bit more serious than that.

    Today, Trump tweeted that he could, and would if necessary, pardon himself!

    That is the death knell of the American system of government which has been based on law since its beginning. According to Trump, his whim is more powerful than the rule of law. Make no mistake - that is exactly what is happening.

    It is time for the Republican Elite to step up and perform their constitutional duty. Country ahead of political agenda.
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    Jun 4, 2018, 01:03 PM
    That's the whole problem Athos, the feckless republican controlled congress refusing to push back against ANYTHING the Dufus says or does, and without that push back the bully just charges ahead with his self serving BS. Do we blame the bully or the ones who allow the bullying?

    VOTE in 2018!
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    Jun 4, 2018, 02:06 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    That's the whole problem Athos, the feckless republican controlled congress refusing to push back against ANYTHING the Dufus says or does, and without that push back the bully just charges ahead with his self serving BS. Do we blame the bully or the ones who allow the bullying?

    VOTE in 2018!
    Right you are! Never was a vote so important.


    From the Daily Beast ---

    St. Clair, Nixon’s lawyer, once said: “The president wants me to argue that he is as powerful a monarch as Louis XIV, only four years at a time, and is not subject to the processes of any court in the land except the court of impeachment.”


    A critical mass of Republicans and a unanimous front of high court justices rejected that view 44 years ago. I wish we could be more confident that they would do the same today.


    It is time for today's Republicans to say "ENOUGH".
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    Jun 4, 2018, 02:27 PM
    It must be nice to have a king again
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    Jun 4, 2018, 02:38 PM
    KING? King of liars, cheaters, and Dufus's? Though he does have his sycophants... I mean subjects! Half are as loony as he is. The other half are desperate, and the other half are scared of him. HEY! That's too many halves and that doesn't add up, but it FITS.

    Nothing King Dufus says adds up either!
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    Jun 4, 2018, 05:18 PM
    Ha Ha Ha! ROFL the fish are biting well today
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    Jun 10, 2018, 12:11 PM
    He's right . Even if Trump wacked Comey he could not be charged under the law until AFTER he was impeached 1st . I'm not making this up and neither is he . The states of NY and NJ both declared Aaron Burr guilty of the murder of Alexander Hamilton and still Burr served as VP .He returned to Washington DC as VP to oversee the impeachment of Supreme Court Justice Samuel Chase. He eventually resigned .It would've taken an impeachment to remove him from office.
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    Jun 10, 2018, 03:29 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    He's right . Even if Trump wacked Comey he could not be charged under the law until AFTER he was impeached 1st . I'm not making this up and neither is he . The states of NY and NJ both declared Aaron Burr guilty of the murder of Alexander Hamilton and still Burr served as VP .He returned to Washington DC as VP to oversee the impeachment of Supreme Court Justice Samuel Chase. He eventually resigned .It would've taken an impeachment to remove him from office.

    The president is NOT above the law. What is so hard to understand about that?

    Aaron Burr was NEVER tried for the murder of Alexander Hamilton. States (NY and NJ) do NOT have the power to "declare" a person guilty of murder. This is basic stuff.
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    Jun 10, 2018, 04:03 PM
    Fact check
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burr–Hamilton_duel

    The duel was fought at a time when the practice was being outlawed in the northern United States, and it had immense political ramifications. Burr survived the duel and was
    indicted
    for
    murder
    in both
    New York
    and
    New Jersey
    , though these charges were later either dismissed or resulted in
    acquittal
    . The harsh criticism and animosity directed toward him following the duel brought an end to his political career.
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    Jun 11, 2018, 06:41 AM
    Ah history what a pity no one can call trump out
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    Jun 11, 2018, 06:47 AM
    at best ,scholars disagree about the question of a sitting President being indicted . There is no doubt that he cannot be convicted as sitting President . The ONLY way to remove a sitting President is impeachment . Fact check that .
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    Jun 11, 2018, 08:03 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    at best ,scholars disagree about the question of a sitting President being indicted . There is no doubt that he cannot be convicted as sitting President . The ONLY way to remove a sitting President is impeachment . Fact check that .
    Of course, he can be convicted while a sitting president. After the House impeaches the president, he goes to trial by the Senate. The Senate has every right to convict the president.

    No scholars disagree on that.

    Let's try a hypothetical. Say Colludin' Donald is proven to have colluded with Russia to throw the American election illegally to himself. In that case, a criminal conviction would NOT be overturning the will of the electorate - which is the principle argument that scholars use against indicting a sitting president.

    Then there is always the time-hallowed notion that the King is not above the law. No scholar has yet satisfactorily rebutted that basic idea.
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    Jun 11, 2018, 10:04 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    at best ,scholars disagree about the question of a sitting President being indicted . There is no doubt that he cannot be convicted as sitting President . The ONLY way to remove a sitting President is impeachment . Fact check that .
    No need, because it would be interesting if the Mad Dufus King committed a crime and the congress didn't act, and he didn't resign. Much like Burr, who beat the law with the help of his "friends". That's what it comes down too. Does the Dufus have the right friends in the right places? I doubt we get a perp walk, but repubs in the senate are unlikely to do didley.
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    Jun 11, 2018, 11:17 AM
    Well we've taken this preposterous hypothetical about as far as it can go. All a Senate 'conviction' would be is removal from office ,not holding him accountable for any crime.
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    Jun 11, 2018, 12:22 PM
    Yeah that's probably another court, but it still comes down to friends in the right places. Like another prez who can pardon the ex prez for anything at all after he leaves office. Like a Pence, but it would be interesting for the Dufus and his kids if they were found to be in a conspiracy to defraud the US or MONEY LAUNDERING or what's moving through the court now, taking foreign gifts and favors without the permission of congress... part of the emoluments clause. I know, an old law never been used, but we now have a Dufus who knows no boundaries of good behavior.

    I don't really care how he gets GOT!
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    Jun 11, 2018, 01:09 PM
    Like a Pence
    or Gerald Ford

    interesting proposition invoking the
    emoluments clause . You say it is for a President 'who
    knows no boundaries of good behavior' and all I can think of is Bubba ,Evita ,and the Clintoon crime machine.


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    Jun 11, 2018, 01:12 PM
    Most repubs feel that way.
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    Jun 11, 2018, 11:03 PM
    Trump shot comey?

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