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    Aug 9, 2022, 05:38 AM
    How far will the left go to get rid of Trump ?
    They tried the Russia hoax .They tried 2 impeachments . They tried endless investigations into his businesses. They have a kangaroo court with the stated goal of it's members to ensure Trump is never President again.

    They now raided his private home while he was away and seized boxes of documents that may or may not have been relevent to the alleged violation of the Presidential Records Act .

    Trump asked a pertinent question in his lengthy response to the raid .

    What is the difference between this and Watergate, where operatives broke into the Democrat National Committee? Here, in reverse, Democrats broke into the home of the 45th President of the United States,”

    Good question . Ironically ,the raid yesterday was on the anniversary of Richard Nixon's resignation .

    So the question is .......if they cannot stop Trump with this raid ;how far will they go ?

    Bernard Kerik speculates that they could go as far as assassination in their lust to stop Trump.

    Bernard B. Kerik on Twitter: "And just like in other Third World countries, if today’s raid by Biden’s FBI does not stop Donald Trump from running for president in 2024, their next move will be Assassination." / Twitter
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    Aug 9, 2022, 05:57 AM
    As a side note . Thursday FBI Director Christopher Wray cut short a hearing at the Senate Judiciary Committee because he had a plane to catch . Turns out that important flight was a junket on the FBI’s luxury Gulfstream 550 jet to his favorite vacation spot in the Adirondacks .
    Among the questions he dodged at the hearing was

    the FBI’s mishandling of the case of Larry Nassar, who was convicted in 2016 of sexually abusing U.S. gymnasts ;and the lack of transparency about how the Department of Justice decided a jury would not convict FBI agents for their handling of the investigation.

    He did not agree with Senators who argued that the Hunter Biden laptop was not Russian disinformation .

    He declined to answer questions about why the FBI labeled the Betsy Ross flag, the Gadsden Flag, and the Gonzales battle flag as signs of “militia violent extremism” in their training docs

    He declined to answer questions why the FBI is not enforcing laws designed to protect judges from intimidation in front of their homes .
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    Aug 9, 2022, 11:19 AM
    Really good posts. I copied the first one to FB.
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    Aug 9, 2022, 11:34 AM
    What's the difference between this and what happened on January 6, 2021?
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    Aug 9, 2022, 11:37 AM
    Question for thought;
    Is the Political Spectrum linear or circular ?
    Maybe simplistic, but worthy of thought..

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    Aug 9, 2022, 11:52 AM
    What's the difference between this and what happened on January 6, 2021?
    Huh? January 6th was a fairly small-scale riot. This was a government sponsored invasion of a man's private home. Now maybe it's going to turn out to be legit. That's possible, but how to compare that to 1/6 is quite a challenge.

    CB, I think it's interesting that on your timeline you place liberalism at the end of a move towards freedom while conservatism is place at the beginning of a march towards slavery. I'd reverse those.
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    Aug 9, 2022, 11:56 AM
    J, not my image or even timeline, just one I thought summed things up rather succinctly.
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    Aug 9, 2022, 12:01 PM
    CB, it is a valid point. Others have presented it as a contest between weak people accepting a totalitarian government versus strong people insisting on freedom.
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    Aug 9, 2022, 12:24 PM
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    Aug 9, 2022, 03:17 PM
    Ben the spectrum I have used as a premise for years has liberty on one end and tyranny on the other. The one you post is circular. Mine clearly differentiates.

    I have read Atlas Shrugged about a dozen times. It should be required reading
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    Aug 11, 2022, 03:14 AM
    The real reason for the raid is clear . If they can prove that Trump violated section b of 18 US code 1871 then they believe they can make a case of banning Trump from being eligible of being President again.

    Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States.

    18 U.S. Code § 2071 - Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute (cornell.edu)

    Here is the problem with their thinking. The statute runs up against the Constitution . Sec 2 of the Constitution makes it clear what the qualifications for being President are . It also says that the only disqualifying thing is impeachment and conviction .

    No Federal statute overrides the Constitution; especially in a case where separation of powers in involved . Congress cannot create a law that determines the qualifications for being President . That would make a Congress that has greater power than the Presidency .

    Even the espionage act that some Dems claim Trump violated does not have provisions for disqualifications . It has more severe penalties but no disqualification.
    18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute (cornell.edu)

    They know this . It is why they attempted a conviction trial in the Senate after he had already left office.
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    Aug 11, 2022, 10:18 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    The real reason for the raid is clear . If they can prove that Trump violated section b of 18 US code 1871 then they believe they can make a case of banning Trump from being eligible of being President again.
    You know what, Tom, I agree with you.
    The establishment will do anything they can to stop another Trump fiasco..
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    Aug 11, 2022, 10:34 AM
    so you then know from the rest of the posting that they are tilting at windmills . The only way they can stop him from running again would be if he is behind bars ....something the partisan Stalinist Kangaroo court is hell bent on achieving .
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    Aug 11, 2022, 11:26 AM
    Trump fiasco..
    If record low unemployment is a "fiasco", then we need more fiascoes.

    I think they may very well be strengthening Trump's hand rather than weakening it. They are now under great pressure to come up with something that is solidly inculpatory. That should make us all nervous given the generally corrupt behavior of this justice department.
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    Aug 11, 2022, 12:14 PM
    That should make us all nervous given the generally corrupt behavior of this justice department.
    There was I time I would've considered the possibility of an FBI agent planting evidence inconceivable . Then again there was a time when I thought the same about the idea of an agent falsifying a document to obtain a warrant to spy on a Presidential Candidate's staff .
    FBI Attorney Admits Altering Email Used for FISA Application During "Crossfire Hurricane" Investigation | USAO-CT | Department of Justice
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    Aug 11, 2022, 01:40 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    If record low unemployment is a "fiasco", then we need more fiascoes. .
    Don't just cherry pick the highlight(s), look at the entire term, in a holistic manner, not the most conducive to showcasing the best of the United States in an international setting. After all the USA is self styled as the Leaders of the Free World.
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    Aug 11, 2022, 02:06 PM
    Still not following you. The economy was great. Unemployment was incredible. Federal judges were appointed who believed in the rule of law. N. Korea was held in check. China was held in check. Russia was held in check. Now there was Covid, which basically flattened everyone. As far as negatives go, there were his chronically big mouth and his failure to get to a balanced budget. All in all, the pendulum was swinging on the positive side.
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    Aug 11, 2022, 03:43 PM
    not the most conducive to showcasing the best of the United States in an international setting. After all the USA is self styled as the Leaders of the Free World.
    The assumption in this statement is that the US was lacking leadership in world affairs under Trump.
    Let's examine that .

    Trump called out NATO to man up and commit resources they had previously agreed to strengthen the alliance. That proved to be prescient given the Russian invasion of Ukraine . Now that NATO members see that the world is not in a Fukayama End of History fantasy ,NATO realizes they are late to the game .

    Trump worked with Asian nations to create a common block in the defense of Chinese hegemonic ambitions .

    He was instrumental in brokering the Abraham accords in the ME creating alliances of common interest with Israel and various Gulf state to check the ambitions of the homicidal apocalyptic regime in Tehran ....the worlds leading sponsor of international terrorism. He correctly reversed the emperor's commitment to the JCPOA sell out that would lead to a nuclear terrorist state in Tehran .

    He struck in Syria when they used chemical weapons and battled Russia in Syria
    . He approved of the droning of Qasem Soleimani, commander of the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps’ elite Quds Force, in Baghdad.

    He negotiated a logical withdrawal from the 20 year involvement in Afghanistan ... a withdrawal that Clueless Joe completely screwed up .

    So I don't see how his tenure as 'Leader of the Free World " was a failure .

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