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    #281

    Apr 23, 2010, 12:15 PM

    Typical liberals... say anything you want... pretend you can twist everything around to suit whatever you want it to... like Bill Clinton and "it depends on what the definition of the word IS is."

    You have no respect for the constitution as far as Americans rights... but want to give rights denied to Americans to Islamic Terrorists who don't even have green cards...

    You believe in freedom of speech only when its you that have something to say, but wish to silence anyone who disagrees with you.

    Funny how the same people Bashing Bush about dreamed up stuff a year and a half ago get so indignant when their Lord and saviour Obama is called out on his very real actions.


    Example... Dan Rathers fabricated story about something that never happened so they falsified reports to back up the story they dreamed up.

    But then... some Obama worshippers still believe it. Even If CBS has admitted it was a total fabrication.
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    #282

    Apr 23, 2010, 12:43 PM
    ^^
    This is Smoothy skating around the fact that he was caught lying about the jail time for not paying health reform taxes by repeating the same old neo-con talking points. LOL!
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    #283

    Apr 23, 2010, 03:22 PM

    Let me put this to rest . The Senate passed the Senate Finance Committee version of the bill which had language prohibiting jail time for health care "tax " delinquencies . This version was passed by the House and a follow up reconcilliation bill was also passed.

    Unless I am mistaken ,the additional reconcilliation bill says that a maximum monthly penalty of $174 and No jail terms, no additional penalties, no property liens for non-payment. They're all EXPLICITLY PROHIBITED in the bill.

    Yes the House version could've had them by omitting specific language prohibiting jail time . But the Senate settled that issue. They could not have passed it otherwise.
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    #284

    Apr 23, 2010, 03:52 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    let me put this to rest .
    Thanks but I settled it a few posts before this.
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    #285

    Apr 26, 2010, 09:08 AM

    Dingy Harry Reid informed us of the real value of Obamacare, it is the most important thing we've done for the world.

    Yes, securing freedom, rebuilding Europe after WWII, landing a man on the moon - all of these pale in comparison to forcing Americans to buy health insurance and bankrupting the country. The world surely can't live without Obamacare.
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    #286

    Apr 26, 2010, 09:27 AM

    Reid is in legacy mode. I think he know's he's toast in November.
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    #287

    Apr 26, 2010, 10:04 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Reid is in legacy mode. I think he know's he's toast in November.
    Hello again, tom:

    I guess we'll be paying our doctor in chickens then.

    excon
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    Apr 26, 2010, 10:22 AM

    He's still toast according to the polls. And what's wrong with bartering, it's actually big business in this country.
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    Apr 26, 2010, 10:31 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    And what's wrong with bartering, it's actually big business in this country.
    Hello again, Steve:

    It's a perfect right wing health care program. I'll bet she'll propose it too, cause she ain't backing down.

    Seriously, though. Let me ask you this.. IF Obamacare is socialism, why doesn't the government, who just "took over" the health care system, simply tell the insurance companies to lower their premiums?

    excon
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    #290

    Apr 26, 2010, 10:48 AM

    Did you miss or just forget where I pointed out the Senate is taking up premium regulation since Obamacare failed to bend the cost curve? Maybe if they knew what was in the bill before voting on it they wouldn't still be fixing the most important thing this Senate has ever done for the world.

    Bu the way, exactly what part of health care will the feds not have their hands on under Obamacare?
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    Apr 26, 2010, 10:55 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Did you miss or just forget where I pointed out the Senate is taking up premium regulation since Obamacare failed to bend the cost curve?
    Hello again, Steve:

    Actually, it's YOU who missed my point. I see that the senate is taking up new regulation. Thanks for pointing it out. That's exactly why I asked you, if Obamacare IS socialism, and he really did "take over" health care, like you righty's said he did, the senate wouldn't have to do anything, right? Obama, tyrant that he is, could just TELL the insurance companies to reduce their premiums. No?

    excon
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    #292

    Apr 26, 2010, 11:24 AM

    Why don't you ask someone who's been calling it socialism and I'll stick to my own arguments.
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    #293

    Apr 26, 2010, 12:22 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    ^^
    This is Smoothy skating around the fact that he was caught lying about the jail time for not paying health reform taxes by repeating the same old neo-con talking points. LOL!
    Go pound salt...

    Did you even read the bill, with all the crap its loaded with...

    The IRS will be the enforcer... and we all know when the IRS is involved... your right to be presumed innocent goes right out the window. Which the Democrats are fine with as long as THEY aren't the one on the objecting end of whatever the issue might be.
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    #294

    Apr 26, 2010, 12:25 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, tom:

    I guess we'll be paying our doctor in chickens then.

    excon
    Actually I love bartering... when you are able to to it, its great. It's the last great way to avoid giving the blood suckers (local, state or federal) a cut of your hard earned money (or property).
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    #295

    Apr 26, 2010, 12:34 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    Actually I love bartering...
    Hello again, smoothy:

    Me too. But, I'd have to give my doctor 347 chickens for my colonoscopy. I ain't got that many.

    excon
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    #296

    Apr 26, 2010, 12:38 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, smoothy:

    Me too. But, I'd have to give my doctor 347 chickens for my colonoscopy. I ain't got that many.

    excon
    Better get busy breeding them. The way Obamas spending money and driving down the dollars value in the world... it will be easier to carry those chickens than carry enough cash to pay for it, which will not be worth the paper its printed on at this rate. Think about the Iraqi Dinar, and the Italian Lira before the devaluation post war as two examples.


    Cash can be tracked (if you use a bank at all)... stuff can't, unless its stuff like cars that are registered and have serial numbers.

    Not practical to hide everything from the man... but its great to hide as much as you are able from the taxing authorities.
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    #297

    Apr 29, 2010, 11:06 AM
    Pelosi's prophetic words are still coming true, Cato has revealed another ugly mandate in Obamacare.

    Most people know about the individual mandate in the new health care bill, but the bill contained another mandate that could be far more costly.

    A few wording changes to the tax code’s section 6041 regarding 1099 reporting were slipped into the 2000-page health legislation. The changes will force millions of businesses to issue hundreds of millions, perhaps billions, of additional IRS Form 1099s every year. It appears to be a costly, anti-business nightmare.

    Under current law, businesses are required to issue 1099s in a limited set of situations, such as when paying outside consultants. The health care bill includes a vast expansion in this information reporting requirement in an attempt to raise revenue for an increasingly rapacious Congress.

    In a recent summary, tax information firm RIA notes the types of transactions covered by the new 1099 rules:

    The 2010 Health Care Act adds “amounts in consideration for property” (Code Sec. 6041(a) as amended by 2010 Health Care Act §9006(b)(1)) and “gross proceeds” (Code Sec. 6041(a) as amended by 2010 Health Care Act §9006(b)(2)) to the pre-2010 Health Care Act categories of payments for which an information return to IRS will be required if the $600 aggregate payment threshold is met in a tax year for any one payee. Thus, Congress says that for payments made after 2011, the term “payments” includes gross proceeds paid in consideration for property or services.

    Basically, businesses will have to issue 1099s whenever they do more than $600 of business with another entity in a year. For the $14 trillion U.S. economy, that’s a hell of a lot of 1099s. When a business buys a $1,000 used car, it will have to gather information on the seller and mail 1099s to the seller and the IRS. When a small shop owner pays her rent, she will have to send a 1099 to the landlord and IRS. Recipients of the vast flood of these forms will have to match them with existing accounting records. There will be huge numbers of errors and mismatches, which will probably generate many costly battles with the IRS.

    Tax CPA Chris Hesse of LeMaster Daniels tells me:

    Under the health legislation, the IRS could be receiving billions of more documents. Under current law, businesses send Forms 1099 for payments of rent, interest, dividends, and non-employee services when such payments are to entities other than corporations. Under the new law, businesses will be required to send a 1099 to other businesses for virtually all purchases. And for the first time, 1099s are to be sent to corporations. This is a huge new imposition on American business, costing the private economy much more than any additional tax that the IRS might collect as a result.

    There appears to have been little discussion before this damaging mandate was slipped into the health bill and rammed through Congress, but a few business groups did raise concerns. Here’s what the Air Conditioner Contractors of America said:

    The House bill would extend the Form 1099 filing requirement to ALL vendors (including corporate) to which they pay more than $600 annually for services or property. Consider all the payments a small business makes in the course of business, paying for things such as computers, software, office supplies, and fuel to services, including janitorial services, coffee services, and package delivery services.

    In order to file all these 1099s, you’ll need to collect the necessary information from all your service providers. In order to comply with the law, you would have to get a Taxpayer Information Number or TIN from the business. If the vendor does not supply you with a TIN, you are obligated to withhold on your payments.

    Private transactions are the core of a market economy, and the source of America’s growth and prosperity. Now the federal government is imposing a vast new web of red tape on perhaps billions of these growth-generating private exchanges.

    For what purpose? So the spendthrift Congress can shake a few extra bucks out of private industry? The business sector is the generator of America’s high living standards, but most federal legislators just see it as a kitty to be raided or a cow to be milked dry.

    I’m stunned that there wasn’t a broader debate before such a costly mandate was enacted. If it goes into effect, it will waste vast quantities of human effort in filling out forms, reworking computer systems, collecting and organizing data, and fighting the IRS. The struggling American economy can’t afford anymore suffocating tax regulations. This mandate is a giant deadweight loss. It should be repealed.
    Ok, what clueless, anti-business moron slipped that one in? I suppose that's another reason we'll need those 17,000 new IRS agents, to process the billions of new forms received every year. Perhaps if we still had anyone doing investigative journalism on something besides Tea Partiers we might have known this BEFORE the vote. This is a nightmare.
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    #298

    Apr 29, 2010, 11:19 AM

    But Obama is the Lord and Saviour... he never ever tells a lie... just ask any democrat.
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    Apr 29, 2010, 03:58 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Pelosi's prophetic words are still coming true, Cato has revealed another ugly mandate in Obamacare.



    Ok, what clueless, anti-business moron slipped that one in? I suppose that's another reason we'll need those 17,000 new IRS agents, to process the billions of new forms received every year. Perhaps if we still had anyone doing investigative journalism on something besides Tea Partiers we might have known this BEFORE the vote. This is a nightmare.
    Certainly sounds like a nightmare, we used to have that sort of paperwarfare here under our old sales tax legislation but we solved it with a next tax on everything and did away with the paperwork. There are smarter ways to both do business and collect revenue when you are not stuck in a time warp but you have to hand it to them what a brilliant employment creation program now all you have to do is legalise immigration and put them to work shuffling forms

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