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    Feb 25, 2008, 02:56 PM
    Free college for everyone. Bad idea?
    I heard Obama say that he wants to provide free college to every American. I think it's a terrible idea. He would spend gadzillions of our money, and when everyone has a college degree, those grads will be flippin burgers and hanging onto garbage trucks. We will have come full circle and wasted who knows how much money. Socialism doesn't work very well.
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    Feb 25, 2008, 03:13 PM
    I think it's a good idea for those who couldn't afford to go otherwise... education is important and hey if the people actually going to college worked and tried they won't be flippin no burgers!
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    Feb 25, 2008, 03:25 PM
    I agree with terellowens. It would be so awesome to be able to go to any college and not worry about it costing $80,000 per semester!
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    Feb 25, 2008, 03:36 PM
    I hadn't heard about that before. Did he say how he planned on coming up with the money for that?
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    Feb 25, 2008, 03:46 PM
    Can you provide some evidence / link to him saying this please? Otherwise it is very hard to comment on it without knowing the details.
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    Feb 25, 2008, 03:48 PM
    Stanford is doing their part:
    Stanford drops tuition for some students
    In a radical change to its financial aid program, Stanford University will announce today that it will no longer charge tuition to students whose families earn less than $100,000 a year.
    In addition, the university will waive room and board fees for students whose families earn less than $60,000 a year.
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    Feb 25, 2008, 03:53 PM
    Wow, that's cool!
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    Feb 25, 2008, 04:17 PM
    I see no problem with having more work programs, so those that want to go and afford to do so, or haing it tied to military service or other service like peace corp.
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    Feb 25, 2008, 04:32 PM
    Both Democrats have said that in return for about $4000 annual credit for college (Hillary's plan is $3500) there would be a mandatory 2 year service requirement (community ,public ,military ) . Isn't nothing free !
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    Feb 25, 2008, 04:37 PM
    Is that the same plan for those of us who are over 40 and back in college? Obviously we can't go into the military, so that would leave me with community or public service?
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    Feb 25, 2008, 05:44 PM
    Sounds good to me... college costs are killing me slowly.
    It'd be nice to not have to work full time to afford school-
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    Feb 25, 2008, 07:24 PM
    As Tom said. Isn't any such thing as a free lunch!
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    Feb 26, 2008, 08:37 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Skell
    Can you provide some evidence / link to him saying this please? Otherwise it is very hard to comment on it without knowing the details.
    I was watching a newscast on TV and heard him say it.
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    Feb 26, 2008, 08:42 AM
    My point is that you can bet that someway, somehow, the taxpayer (you) will pick up the tab, and after everyone has a college degree, there will still be just so many jobs to be had. Therefore, many college grads will have to settle for low paying jobs. We will be back where we started.
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    Feb 26, 2008, 08:53 AM
    You're right. No one but society's elite should be able to attend college.
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    Feb 26, 2008, 09:08 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma
    You're right. No one but society's elite should be able to attend college.
    That's not the point, and you should be able to realize that.
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    Feb 26, 2008, 09:10 AM
    It won't happen. The government wants a dumb populace so that they can govern them better. If everyone had a good higher education they may revolt.
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    Feb 26, 2008, 02:22 PM
    Another grand sounding scheme to drum-up minority votes…something the Democrats are well versed in.
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    Feb 26, 2008, 02:25 PM
    I agree that this is a not-so-good idea. I think colleges should be cheaper for those who qualify and can't afford it, but to make it free for everyone...
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    Feb 26, 2008, 02:42 PM
    It is a fantastic idea with some alterations. It should be harder to get in. College/university should be an elitist organisation, but not on background, social class or money as it currently is. It should be elitist for intelligence and hard work.

    The whole of society benefits from (good) graduates in useful subjects. They keep the economy strong, provide medical services, justice, leadership etc. Therefore they are an investment into a healthy society, anyone who cannot see that is short-sighted.

    My country used to have free education. Although it is still heavily subsidised the universities have turned into businesses chasing students and manipulating pass rates to keep customers. The whole system is also waterlogged with useless degrees.

    Make it much harder but make it free.

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