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    Jun 10, 2017, 06:51 PM
    as I said Islam is not a race, if it were we would be talking about arabs, but it exists in many nations and so is not a race, race speaks of ethnicity, but islam is a political system based on religious teachings. Calling islam a race is like calling americans a race, it is an error, and a serious error, because it reduces all debate to a single paradigm and it certainly is not.

    You like to think of me as racist because you can stick me in a box, but you live in the most racist nation on Earth and so you see things in terms of race. Where I come from we do not but we are acutely aware that there is a cultural clash between western judeo-christian values and islam which seeks to subvert those values and replace them.

    As to me not having a clue, well I join a long line which I think starts in Washington, or is it New York, so difficult to know but be assured that just because I live far from the maddened crowd doesn't mean I am ignorant of world affairs. You see you have resorted to name calling because you lost the debate and feel threatened. You are on the wrong side of history Tal, just like those people who thought fascism, or communism, could bring utopia, well be, assured capitalism and wishful thinking will not bring it either
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    Jun 11, 2017, 05:17 AM
    It is your own hate filled words that put you in a box Clete, and denigrates the debate. Ethnicity is a human construct and means little in the debate other than to delineate the variety of the HUMAN race. Your government, my government, their government capitalist, communist or any IST you care to name are but facets of the human experiment as we continue to evolve into whatever. Messy to say the least, but let's not be stupid. If you didn't see this middle east BS behavior coming after throwing off the shackles of oppression and exploitation then you haven't been paying attention to OUR human history.

    I mean you quake in your boots, and piss yourself over some supposed "muslim" threat because a FEW criminals catch your attention, but history is full of those who the name of whatever convenient deity they can find to further their own agenda (which is always about power and domination), and are so outraged by such brutal tactics, you broad brush your hate so widely as to ignore (or willingly be ignorant) to facts that are right in front of your face.

    I repeat look it up, before you make it up! Then we can debate facts and truth, and get beyond the crazy FACTLESS crap you talk. I don't hate you my RACIST friend (have a lot of those) quite the opposite my fellow human, and don't we both hate humans that behave badly?

    What's wrong with trying to build UTOPIA? Just because we ain't there, doesn't mean we stop trying.

    Peace be with you.
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    Jun 11, 2017, 03:17 PM
    but history is full of those who the name of whatever convenient deity they can find to further their own agenda (which is always about power and domination), and are so outraged by such brutal tactics,
    Ah, at last you admit islam is about power and domination and it is not racist to identify this and be against it. I see you have had a some riots in the US over islam. In this utopia I live in this hasn't happened in a long time even though we have been subject to islamist attacks
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    Jun 11, 2017, 03:55 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Ah, at last you admit islam is about power and domination
    Tal didn't say that. He said "history is full of those who the name of whatever convenient deity they can find to further their own agenda (which is always about power and domination), and are so outraged by such brutal tactics..."

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    Those" people USE religion to accomplish (attempt to accomplish?) their own agenda.
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    Jun 11, 2017, 06:09 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wondergirl View Post
    Tal didn't say that. He said "history is full of those who the name of whatever convenient deity they can find to further their own agenda (which is always about power and domination), and are so outraged by such brutal tactics..."

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    Those" people USE religion to accomplish (attempt to accomplish?) their own agenda.
    You can add what emphasis you want and try to beat around the bush but Islam fits the definition, convenient deity, power, domination. You cannot have it both ways, even your own statement
    Those" people USE religion to accomplish (attempt to accomplish?) their own agenda.
    is an admission
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    Jun 11, 2017, 06:14 PM
    Riots?/ What riots? I got links, where are yours?

    https://www.theguardian.com/australi...rallies-police

    Don't put words in my mouth, you know darn well I meant the human collective. Of course I don't expect you to bring facts to a debate.
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    Jun 11, 2017, 06:28 PM
    Islam fits the definition, convenient deity, power, domination
    Some people drape Islam over themselves as a fake justification for their crimes against humanity. Just like other low-lifes drape the mantle of Christianity over their shoulders when they disrespect their fellowmankind and refuse to obey Jesus' second greatest commandment (and in doing so, also disobey the first).
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    #48

    Jun 11, 2017, 08:56 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    Riots?/ What riots? I got links, where are yours?

    https://www.theguardian.com/australi...rallies-police

    Don't put words in my mouth, you know darn well I meant the human collective. Of course I don't expect you to bring facts to a debate.
    That's not a riot, just a few dickheads having a punchup, any way it happened in Victoria, a strange place full of ethnic diversity and recent islamic events
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    Jun 12, 2017, 04:16 AM
    So where are your links to our riots? I will note how easily you brush off your own goings on, and maximize others to make your points. So I await your right wing extremist links to "dust ups here in weird places" that support your own racist views that justify your hate.

    For the record racist is merely a more specific term to describe a hater and In my opinion you qualify. Nothing personal, just a casual observation.
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    Jun 12, 2017, 05:43 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by talaniman View Post
    So where are your links to our riots? I will note how easily you brush off your own goings on, and maximize others to make your points. So I await your right wing extremist links to "dust ups here in weird places" that support your own racist views that justify your hate.

    For the record racist is merely a more specific term to describe a hater and In my opinion you qualify. Nothing personal, just a casual observation.
    I don't need links it is all over the news, don't you watch the news or are you told it is fake news by your dufus president on twitter

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