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    #21

    Mar 27, 2009, 05:15 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by sarnian View Post
    inthebox

    Of course everyone can twist and turn the data to support their personal views.
    I refer to the topic starter post that used terminology as 'the anointed one' in a failing attempt to attack this democratically elected President.

    You and many of your club seem to lack any valid arguments against Obama, and therefore have to fall back in their attacks on using 'the anointed one' . But doing so only shows the emptiness of the 'argument'.

    Sad, very sad !
    Really, after 8 years of hearing of the dreaded Bush theocracy, decades of warnings about "the rise of the religious right" and the scores of downright nasty names Bush, Cheney & Co. were called, this kind of outrage is laughable. And, as I've pointed out several times recently, Obama would not be called "the anointed one" or "the Messiah" had it not been for the creepy devotion of his followers.
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    Mar 27, 2009, 05:20 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    They always seem to mix religion into everything - the sign of a brainwashed fanatic.
    No, this is a sign of a brainwashed fanatic.
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    Mar 27, 2009, 05:21 AM
    If you believe every wacko on the web then you are in trouble.
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    Mar 27, 2009, 05:53 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    And, as I've pointed out several times recently, Obama would not be called "the anointed one" or "the Messiah" had it not been for the creepy devotion of his followers
    But 450donn did use the terminology "the anointed one" in the topic question text.
    So fight it out with 450donn, and not with me. I mainly reacted to the terminology used.
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    Mar 27, 2009, 06:59 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by sarnian View Post
    But 450donn did use the terminology "the anointed one" in the topic question text.
    So fight it out with 450donn, and not with me. I mainly reacted to the terminology used.
    And I told you why 450donn and others, including myself, describe Obama in such terms. Not only his followers, but he himself brought it on with his "this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal" nonsense. Granted, without arguments to accompany the titles he's been given it's pretty shallow, but MANY a valid argument has been offered here and his supporters dismiss them out of hand. One way conversations get us nowhere.
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    Mar 27, 2009, 07:03 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    If you believe every wacko on the web then you are in trouble.
    You're always so helpful, NK. The link I provided Sarnian offered quotes from many supposed intellectuals and celebrities simply overcome with Obama's greatness. The link I provided you is a SF Chronicle columnist. It isn't my problem that liberals look up to idiots like that.
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    Mar 27, 2009, 07:09 AM

    sarnian
    Would it be better if I described him as dumb and dumber, or how about OJT (on the job training) or So far left he is beyond Socialist, or the special one, or his only job was as a community agitator, or as never having held a real job? Would those be better? I still remember seeing a picture of his robots in fatigues and high topped boots singing praise to him like he was some sort of god. Of course that picture is now dead and berried someplace. To have any sort of meaningful conversation you first need to get yourself away from the likes of NBC,ABC,CBS,CNN and most of the rest of the media and start reading what little substance the person YOU helped put into office has.
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    #28

    Mar 27, 2009, 07:12 AM
    Byron York reminds us of Obama's claims in the campaign.

    Barack Obama used to get very upset about federal budget deficits. Denouncing an "orgy of spending and enormous deficits," he turned to John McCain during their presidential debates last fall and said, "We have had, over the last eight years, the biggest increases in deficit spending and national debt in our history…Now we have a half-trillion deficit annually…and Sen. McCain voted for four out of five of those George Bush budgets."

    That was then. Now, President Obama is asking lawmakers to vote for a budget with a deficit three times the size of the one that so disturbed candidate Obama just a few months ago. And Obama foresees, for years to come, deficits that dwarf those he felt so passionately about way, way back in 2008.

    Everywhere you go on Capitol Hill, you hear echoes of the last campaign's spending debate. So on Thursday morning, as the budget fight raged, I asked McCain about the president's seemingly forgotten concern about deficits. McCain doesn't like to rehash the campaign -- "The one thing Americans don't like is a sore loser," he told me -- but when I read him Obama's quote from the debate, he said, "Well, there are a number of statements that were made by then-candidate Obama which have not translated into his policies."

    That's an understatement.
    The deficit issue could be one of the most, if not the most, consequential of Obama's unkept campaign promises. Just how consequential was made clear last week in a little-noticed conference call featuring Budget Director Peter Orszag. Orszag was trying to explain to reporters how the Obama administration calculated its rather rosy forecasts for economic growth. Near the end of the call, he was asked whether deficits along the lines of those predicted by the Congressional Budget Office are sustainable."

    Orszag at first dodged the question, saying he was sure the final Obama budget will "reflect a fiscally sustainable path."But the questioner persisted: Are those deficits sustainable? Relenting, Orszag said such deficits, in the range of five percent of the Gross Domestic Product, "would lead to rising debt-to-GDP ratios in a manner that would ultimately not be sustainable."

    The simple version of that is: If the Congressional Budget Office projections are correct, we're headed for hell in a handbasket.

    I asked McCain what might happen if Obama and Orszag get their way. First, the U.S. could have to print a lot of new money, "running the huge risk of inflation and returning to the situation of the 1970s, only far worse," McCain said. The second option is to raise taxes.

    Just this week, former Clinton budget director Alice Rivlin conceded that Obama's budget could present a "scary scenario" that would "raise deficits to unsustainable levels well after the economy recovers." The solution, she wrote, is higher taxes, and not just for the richest of the rich.

    Of course, that's what McCain said during the campaign. And it's what the much-maligned Joe the Plumber said, too.
    Remember when he took so much flak for objecting to Obama's plan to raise taxes only on those Americans making more than $250,000 a year? Joe didn't make anything near that, the critics said, so why was he worrying?

    The point was not that Joe made that much, or that anybody at McCain's rallies made that much -- the vast majority didn't. The point was that Obama was promising so many things that to pay for them he would eventually have to raise taxes on people making far less than $250,000. Look out, McCain warned -- someday he'll come after you.
    Ok you Obama supporters, when will you acknowledge that his lofty campaign rhetoric is nothing like his performance and that his deficits are going to be far more devastating than Bush's that both you and Obama complained of? Come on, man up... or woman up, or person up whichever applies. And don't give me that we're going to have to spend our way out of this crisis BS.
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    Mar 27, 2009, 07:39 AM

    Hello Steve:

    So, he had this campaign going on since 2007. Then the economy went off a cliff two months before he was elected... Should he ignore that??

    Bush wanted to be the education president. Then 9/11 happened. Should he have ignored it?

    Things happen.

    Nonetheless, Obama DID say that he was going to reform health care, entitlements, and energy. Those problems led to the economy falling off the cliff in the first place. So, he's going to fix them. Personally, I'm glad.

    That is unless you can tell me that we're not running out of oil, that health care is working for you, or that Medicare isn't broke. I don't think you're going to tell me those things. Unless you guys would rather pretend those problems don't exist...

    That's exactly WHY we're here, because they DO exist, and have existed for 30 years or more. Nobody wanted to fix them before now, because it was unpopular, and that's WHY the problem is SOOO big today...

    It's NOT rocket science.

    excon
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    Mar 27, 2009, 07:45 AM

    The deficit began many, many years ago. We've been addressing this problem since I remember, President John Kennedy, and most likely before. Let's face it, government does not know how to run itself while remaining in the black.

    Both parties are to blame. Congress is to blame and we, yes we are to blame. Because we have a part in the deficit when we choose to remain silent and not voice our opinions with our individual Congressional delegates.

    Be proactive. We elected what you refer to as the "stupid one, the annointed one" He is our President... Let your voice be heard. Find productive ways to make a difference. Begin with calling your representatives and senators. Lead a march, get involved and get bills/laws changed. It can happen. Don't sit back ,criticize and do name calling.

    The Wall Stree Journal on March 24 had an article on President Obama's 2010 budget. It is 28.5 percent higher than 2008. That's frightening. His plans to increase government programs such as medicare, medicaid and many other social programs will cost the American people 2.3 TRILLION dollars over the next 10 years. Refer to the article, read it. 'Obama Sticker Shock" It ought to drive you to take positive action.

    His increases in taxes for 2011 will be $629 billion in new cap and tax carbon revenues. It is projected that the share of the debt held by the public will double to 82.4% in 2019 FROM 40.8% in 2008. That does not include his plans to provide free health care to every American. Too bad Florida doesn't grow money trees along with all those orange orchards.

    Take action. Contact your Congress people and voice your opinion.
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    #31

    Mar 27, 2009, 09:12 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello Steve:

    So, he had this campaign going on since 2007. Then the economy went off a cliff two months before he was elected.... Should he ignore that???
    But, but, but, but... that's all I hear. No one said ANYTHING about ignoring the economic turmoil, I want to know how his wasteful, nonsensical spending plan is going to make it better. The man is still talking about giving tax cuts to 95 percent of Americans at the same time he's spending trillions of new dollars that even his own budget director admitted "would lead to rising debt-to-GDP ratios in a manner that would ultimately not be sustainable."

    Should he ignore that? It's not rocket science.
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    #32

    Mar 27, 2009, 09:41 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    "would lead to rising debt-to-GDP ratios in a manner that would ultimately not be sustainable."

    Should he ignore that? It's not rocket science.
    Hello again, Steve:

    Attn: From the FOX news website:::

    WASHINGTON — Medicare (search) will have to begin dipping into its trust fund this year to keep up with expenditures and will go broke by 2019 without changes in a program that is swelling because of rising health costs, trustees reported Tuesday.

    Social Security's finances showed little change.

    The deteriorating financial picture for the health care program for older and disabled Americans is a result, in part, of the new Medicare prescription drug law that will swell costs by more than $500 billion over 10 years, according to the annual report by government trustees.

    Provisions of the law that President Bush signed into law in December "raise serious doubt about the sustainability of Medicare under current financing arrangements," the trustees said.

    Social Security's projected insolvency date remained 2042.

    The 2019 go-broke date for the Medicare trust fund (search), which is devoted primarily to paying beneficiaries' hospital bills, is seven years sooner than what the trustees projected last year.

    -------------------------

    So, we go broke by 2042 or earlier, or we FIX it now, and hopefully NOT go broke. It STILL ain't rocket science.

    excon
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    #33

    Mar 27, 2009, 09:53 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:

    Attn: From the FOX news website:::

    WASHINGTON — Medicare (search) will have to begin dipping into its trust fund this year to keep up with expenditures and will go broke by 2019 without changes in a program that is swelling because of rising health costs, trustees reported Tuesday.

    Social Security's finances showed little change.
    That sucks, too, but I'm not talking about 2 programs going broke, I'm talking about an entire federal budget that the White House admits is unsustainable.
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    #34

    Mar 27, 2009, 10:01 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    I'm talking about an entire federal budget that the White House admits is unsustainable.
    Hello again, Steve:

    Then we're doomed either way. Let's get high.

    excon
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    #35

    Mar 27, 2009, 11:12 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:

    Then we're doomed either way. Let's get high.

    excon
    Hey, it's 20 degrees, the wind is blowing snow horizontally at 40-50 mph, we're closed for the day... sounds good. Got any rum, too?
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    Mar 27, 2009, 11:23 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by ;
    WASHINGTON — Medicare (search) will have to begin dipping into its trust fund this year to keep up with expenditures and will go broke by 2019 without changes in a program that is swelling because of rising health costs, trustees reported Tuesday.

    Social Security's finances showed little change.

    The deteriorating financial picture for the health care program for older and disabled Americans is a result, in part, of the new Medicare prescription drug law that will swell costs by more than $500 billion over 10 years, according to the annual report by government trustees.

    Provisions of the law that President Bush signed into law in December "raise serious doubt about the sustainability of Medicare under current financing arrangements," the trustees said.

    Social Security's projected insolvency date remained 2042.

    The 2019 go-broke date for the Medicare trust fund (search), which is devoted primarily to paying beneficiaries' hospital bills, is seven years sooner than what the trustees projected last year.
    I vividly remember when Hilliary Clinton expressing it was her mission to fix the health care problem and be the crusader on that while Bill was having Sex in the white house with his aid. "But its true" She finially realized it was a very big dragon that can't be slayed. Now think of this. Here's a woman who's husband is the President of the U.S. and how much pull is that!!

    The Clintions couldn't resolve that issue Excon speaks of. On top Clinton's GREAT economy was in publicly mentioning about the Fannie Mae and the house of cards but behind the doors he was had meetings saying he wanted it easier for citizens to get a loan for home ownership. Expressed that in a speech also. Mean while Bill is back at the House saying whatever it takes make the loans to people and rewrite it so citizens can qualify for the mortgages. This will BOOST the economy and growth in the housing industry. So what HAPPENED later when this all caught UP!! I will Repeat, it WAS NOT Obama predecessor that screwed this up CLINTON single handily started and PUSHED for the rewrites of the mortgage companies so a lower income person could qualifiy to get a loan for a home. It publicly made him look good and in turn based the supposedly "fake" good economy on his watch and on bad loans that at the time reflected the "good ecomny"
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    Mar 27, 2009, 02:19 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by 21boat View Post
    I will Repeat, it WAS NOT Obama predecessor that screwed this up CLINTON single handily started and PUSHED for the rewrites of the mortage companies so a lower income person could qualifiy to get a loan for a home.
    So why didn't the republicans correct that in the 8 years?
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    Mar 27, 2009, 04:35 PM
    Hey NK, you might want to get a new avatar.
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    #39

    Mar 27, 2009, 04:43 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    Hey NK, you might want to get a new avatar.
    I don't care about his personal life but I am due to change my avatar as I rotate them with some regularity. Hey who hasn't slapped around a prostitute before, come one!
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    Mar 27, 2009, 04:51 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    I don't care about his personal life but I am due to change my avatar as I rotate them with some regularity. Hey who hasn't slapped around a prostitute before, come one!
    LOL, well I haven't. You could always use the shot of him the link had.

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