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    Nov 12, 2022, 07:23 PM
    Democrats Win Control Of Senate
    Nevada is in with Democrat incumbent declared winner!! That puts the all-important control of the Senate in Democrat hands. Georgia is moot. Trump reported screaming for hours at Friday's news. Now he's chewing the carpet on all-fours.

    Watch Walker in Georgia now getting near nada votes since his runoff against his Democrat opponent doesn't matter anymore. Watch the Repubs bail out BIG-TIME from supporting Walker.

    Next up - Civil war between Trump's MAGA and DeSantis, resulting in a shoo-in for Democrats in 2024. .
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    Nov 12, 2022, 08:43 PM
    Yeah, and it only took five days to count the Nevada votes. Nothing to see there.
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    Nov 12, 2022, 09:16 PM
    Had Republican Adam Laxalt won...nothing to see there either.
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    Nov 12, 2022, 09:57 PM
    No matter who wins, the abysmal system in Nevada must be changed. Same is true of Arizona.
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    Nov 13, 2022, 05:59 AM
    The math for the Repubs in the Senate was never great to begin with . Still it was possible to take a narrow lead .

    Chance that Manchin jumps parties ? He's pretty raw over the betrayal of his energy deal with Schmuck Schumer . If the Dems pick up Ga. the Dems will be free of any Manchin factor (God help us ) .So there is no need for him to stay in a party that hates his guts .


    My big take from this election is that despite my strong opposition to mail in voting ;the Repubs need to adopt a stratergy to accept the reality .(Ballot harvesting should be outlawed . There is where the suspicions of fraud come into play)

    The Dems get their voters to the polls . The Dems bank their voters early and then target their adds where they see weaknesses in the turnout . The Repubs miss that opportunity and have to guess what audience to target .
    The Repubs get promises from voters to show up on election day . That is a big difference. Over the last 2 cycles and maybe more we have seen Repub leads vanish as truckloads of mysterious mail in ballots get delivered to the counters .

    We were fed all this premortems by the compliant press about a red wave . I think some less than enthusiastic Repubs were lulled into complacency.

    As one PA Repub leader said ;
    “For whatever the reason, we’re not taking full advantage of the process,” Bretz said. “We surpassed our (mail-in) votes. We need to get over the demonization of the process.”

    Another said ;“Failure to use the voting options available is like trying to fight a fight with one arm tied behind your back,”
    Some Republican leaders say GOP needs to embrace mail-in voting | TribLIVE.com

    We can hope all the rules change to pre-covid rules . But I think the genie is out of the bottle.

    I agree with the Trump factor . Had Pa Repubs picked McCormick ;a conservative Repub instead of Dr Oz ,McCormick would be Senator elect .
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    Nov 13, 2022, 07:14 AM
    No matter who wins, the abysmal system in Nevada must be changed. Same is true of Arizona.
    delays such as we have seen almost always benefits the Dems . They call us deniers because we have very real suspicions that can't be satisfied with cliches like "cleanest election evahhhhh "

    Who disabled 20-30% of the tabulators in Maricopa County? Who made sure there was a shortage of ink in 20% of their printers?
    What has happened to the many thousands of provisional ballots that were dropped into unsecured boxes to be “counted later?” Who told workers to hand out sharpies again even after it is well known to not to be readable by the scanners? What happened to the cameras in Washoe County, Nevada? Why were there are repeated late night “ballot dumps”.
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    Nov 13, 2022, 01:04 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Who disabled 20-30% of the tabulators in Maricopa County? Who made sure there was a shortage of ink in 20% of their printers?
    What has happened to the many thousands of provisional ballots that were dropped into unsecured boxes to be “counted later?” Who told workers to hand out sharpies again even after it is well known to not to be readable by the scanners? What happened to the cameras in Washoe County, Nevada? Why were there are repeated late night “ballot dumps”.
    Tomder, this is so funny, it would make a good skit on SNL.

    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    We were fed all this premortems by the compliant press about a red wave
    Get over it, tomder, you lost!
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    Nov 13, 2022, 01:18 PM
    Tomder, this is so funny, it would make a good skit on SNL.
    This is what passes now as a serious answer with liberal dems.
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    Nov 14, 2022, 04:07 AM
    Now the House is up for grabs . 21 House seats have not been declared with 10 up for grabs. The Dems magic vote machine has been working overtime and they are within the fraud factor margin of error .

    The count now is Repubs 211 and Dems 203 . One of the contested races has both contestants Dems . 6 more will go to the Dems and the rest of the ones not really contested to the Repubs That makes the count Repub3 seats short of a majority and the Dems 6 seats short .

    If it was decided now with the 10 seats in doubt .... 6 with Republicans leading, and 4 where Democrats are ahead. the Repubs would win the House .

    The Dems keep those pre-filled in harvested ballots coming to the counters .
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    Nov 14, 2022, 05:50 AM
    Even if the Repubs take the House ,there are enough RINOs in the caucus for the Dems to get some of their agenda passed IF the wrong Speaker of the House is voted in(one that would allow Dem legislation to make it to a floor vote ) The Repub caucus will have to be unified in it's candidate or we could wind up with a Speaker who is less than desirable .

    One thing is that there is no requirement for the Speaker to be an elected Rep. As an example there are some Dems that are floating the idea of ousted Rep Liz Cheney being voted in as Speaker . That is not likely but it is a good example of the mischief that could happen if the caucus is not unified behind one speaker .
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    Nov 14, 2022, 06:05 AM
    First task for (hopefully) a republican majority in the House is to investigate voting "irregularities".

    If the repubs are stupid (corrupt??) enough to select LC, then they deserve to be a permanent minority.
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    Nov 14, 2022, 06:12 AM
    Originally Posted by tomder55
    Who disabled 20-30% of the tabulators in Maricopa County? Who made sure there was a shortage of ink in 20% of their printers?
    What has happened to the many thousands of provisional ballots that were dropped into unsecured boxes to be “counted later?” Who told workers to hand out sharpies again even after it is well known to not to be readable by the scanners? What happened to the cameras in Washoe County, Nevada? Why were there are repeated late night “ballot dumps”.



    Tomder, this is so funny, it would make a good skit on SNL.
    Indeed . The best comedy is rooted in the truth . The problems disproportionately affect Repub voters because of their reliance on election day turn out.

    Why is it that Floriday ;a state with 3 x the population of AZ took hours to count while AZ took days ? When Florida elections were the nation's laughing stock the state made the moves to correct them. Arizona is content it appears to continue the status quo .

    Why didn't Katie Hobbs who was running in a close race for Guv recuse herself from overseeing the state election or even resign ? 2018 under the same circumstances ,the Dems insisted that Brian Kemp resign in Ga. ...and he did so to end the conflict of interest .

    You don't see how these issues lead to the perception that there is just a little bit of chicanery and fraud?

    If the repubs are stupid (corrupt??) enough to select LC, then they deserve to be a permanent minority.
    The Dem members get a vote. That is why the elected Repubs need to be unified .
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    Nov 14, 2022, 10:16 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    You don't see how these issues lead to the perception that there is just a little bit of chicanery and fraud?
    Read my lips, tomder - YOU LOST!
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    Nov 14, 2022, 10:57 AM
    Read my lips the chances of a Repub loss is direct proportionate to how long it takes to count non-verified ,harvested or ballots deposited in drop boxes. Nothing to see there .
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    Nov 14, 2022, 11:03 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Read my lips the chances of a Repub loss is direct proportionate to how long it takes to count non-verified ,harvested or ballots deposited in drop boxes. Nothing to see there .
    Your desperation is showing, tomder.
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    Nov 14, 2022, 11:53 AM
    I accept that the Repub are going to have to accomodate and accept the rigged system. Some states have tightened voter rolls ;got rid of the dead and out of state vote ...
    Wisconsin is a good example of that . Others did well by introducing voter ID requirements .

    All of the red states need to do that ;and Repubs in the rest of the states will have to mobilize their voters to cast ballots early instead of waiting for election day when voting machines mysteriously fail or run out of ink.
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    Nov 14, 2022, 12:25 PM
    Read my lips the chances of a Repub loss is direct proportionate to how long it takes to count non-verified ,harvested or ballots deposited in drop boxes. Nothing to see there .
    It will be interesting to see if anyone here can refute this. So far no one has even tried, and that probably says a lot. It certainly does seem to be true.
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    Nov 14, 2022, 02:19 PM
    Here is where we stand with 218 seats needed . Repubs need 6 more seats Dems need 14 . There are 19 more seats to decide, Should be a no brainer Repub majority

    But wait !

    Alaska at large with the rank choice BS system and 2 Repubs splitting the vote ;the Dem candidate leads but not @ 50% so ANOTHER vote will happena week from tomorrow . Not sure who the Repub candidate will be yet .

    Maine 2 also has rank choice BS . Dem in lead Run off scheduled for tomorrow .

    Az 1 Repub lead of less than 1,000 votes .....but it is taking time to count mail in because of signature verification process.

    AZ 6 Repub has a lead less than 2,000 votes ...same bs as above

    Cal 3 Repub has a commanding lead BUT only a little over half the ballots have been counted a week after the election .

    Cal 6 is safe Dem and the Dem leads

    Cal 13 Repub leads by less than 100 votes Considered a toss up

    Cal 21 safe Dem seat

    Cal 22 Repub leads by 3,000 votes

    Cal 27 Repub has a commanding lead

    Cal 34 safe Dem

    Cal 41 Repub leads by 4,000 votes

    Cal 45 lean Repub

    Cal 47 Dem leads +5000 votes

    Cal 49 toss up but Dem candidate leads by 13,000 votes

    Colorado 3 Lauren Boebert is in a close race that should be a Repb safe seat

    Col 8 Dem leads in another should be Repub seat

    NY 22 lean Repub is in a close race + 4000 votes

    Oregon 6 this is an ALL MAIL IN State with no election day voting . They are still accepting ballots that were post marked by election day . not surprising the Dem leads +4000 votes in this toss up race .

    Too many California districts up for my liking .

    But 19 seats after a week not finished their count ? This is not recount . This is not run off. This is original counting . come on !!!
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    Nov 14, 2022, 03:00 PM
    Cal 3 Repub has a commanding lead BUT only a little over half the ballots have been counted a week after the election .

    Oregon 6 this is an ALL MAIL IN State with no election day voting . They are still accepting ballots that were post marked by election day . not surprising the Dem leads +4000 votes in this toss up race .
    These two are just unbelievable. If we had an honest news media, it would be exposed a dozen times.
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    Nov 15, 2022, 02:33 AM
    The voters sent Sarah Palin and Kari Lake, two strange birds, back into oblivion.

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