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    Sep 6, 2018, 11:04 AM
    Deja Vu all over again
    Bob Woodard and the NY Slimes have collaborated to find John Dean ,and Deep Throat Part Deux .

    The Times today is taking the rare step of publishing an anonymous Op-Ed essay. We have done so at the request of the author, a senior official in the Trump administration whose identity is known to us and whose job would be jeopardized by its disclosure.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/o...esistance.html

    My best guess is that the author is a NeverTrumper assistant to the White House chef ;or at most ,a low level paper pusher .......one of those nameless ,faceless cogs of the bureaucracy . The ones who pass by you un-noticed and may strike up a conversation about the Nats or the weather at the water cooler .

    Meetings with him veer off topic and off the rails, he engages in repetitive rants, and his impulsiveness results in half-baked, ill-informed and occasionally reckless decisions that have to be walked back.
    “There is literally no telling whether he might change his mind from one minute to the next,” a top official complained to me recently, exasperated by an Oval Office meeting at which the president flip-flopped on a major policy decision he’d made only a week earlier.
    Umm actually that sounds like most of the office meetings I've ever attended ;and most of the bosses I've worked for and with .

    but Americans should know that there are adults in the room.
    The author isn't one of them . The author is a gutless coward .
    Astute observers have noted, though, that the rest of the administration is operating on another track, one where countries like Russia are called out for meddling and punished accordingly, and where allies around the world are engaged as peers rather than ridiculed as rivals.
    He has held Russia to account more than any administration since Reagan .

    Given the instability many witnessed, there were early whispers within the cabinet of invoking the 25th Amendment, which would start a complex process for removing the president.
    It will never happen .Give up your fantasies .
    But no one wanted to precipitate a constitutional crisis.
    His opposition created a constitutional crisis when they set up this whole Russia-gate charade .
    Senator John McCain put it best in his farewell letter. All Americans should heed his words and break free of the tribalism trap, with the high aim of uniting through our shared values and love of this great nation.
    The 'tribalism' occurs in the beltway where the duopoly runs the leviathan with an iron grip . Trump was elected to do some old fashion swamp draining .
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    Sep 6, 2018, 04:13 PM
    After the silence of the last few days I though we had done with all this crap. For the record the only thing that will drain the swamp is a revolution, French style
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    Sep 6, 2018, 04:18 PM
    remember how the French Revolution ended. "a whiff of grapeshot" . Yeah we are trying to avoid that and still drain the swamp.
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    Sep 6, 2018, 06:35 PM
    Unless you completely remove the problems from politics they will persist for decades
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    Sep 7, 2018, 04:55 AM
    Wouldn't surprise me if the Dufus put up one of his sycophants to go to the Times to give him some red meat to feed his base as he tours the country with his reality show.
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    Sep 7, 2018, 06:21 AM
    He's not that smart
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    Sep 7, 2018, 06:47 AM
    Maybe not, but he has used this strategy many times before to manipulate and get what he wants. He is not beneath making up a narrative to promote himself using others or another identity. What better excuse to purge his administration of the unwanteds, or distract from his other court issues and getting his base to rally behind him to insulate him from justice, or loss of power following the looming elections.

    His AG, Sessions, maybe a few GENERALS and security people, along with Mueller somehow? With a Supreme Court justice in his pocket as a hedge... no telling who he won't replace in the swamp with his own critters. He may not be smart Clete, but diabolical maniacs need no smarts.
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    Sep 7, 2018, 08:52 AM
    I just want to know who elected President AnyMouse .When you dispute the existence of the "deep state " there is your proof.
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    Sep 7, 2018, 09:32 AM
    Another conspiracy talking point? Or a swipe at those that have served their country through government who though not elected, are the foundations that keep things going on the basic levels without the press and headlines? What is this deep state you refer to in parrot to The Dufus and his sycophants mostly elected, and circle his wagon. The Dufus is a great marketer of slogans and phrases that illicit fear and resentments in the scaredy pants who would trade sense and reason for a few bucks and a loud show. If you mean the deep state are those that don't like the Dufus, I can agree with that.

    Is the Dufus an improvement on the Nixon years, or have we traded a crooked drunk paranoid fool with a paranoid ego maniacal fool? Both LIE about their trustworthiness, but no comparison to being criminals. The dufus is king in that regard.

    PS Kindly return my crown to my logo! It's mine until someone can TAKE it!
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    Sep 7, 2018, 11:14 AM
    please !!! ;the nameless faceless cogs who go to DC for a paycheck from a government job ,skulking the hall ways embedding themselves ;anonymous characters thinking elected officials come and go but we are the permanent government are NOT the foundation that keeps things going . Washington DC is a big welfare check. Get rid of 75% of them and you would see not difference in the "services " provided " .

    As for the definition of the deep state ; it is the career bureaucracy who sit in powerful positions, who don't leave when presidents do and think elected officials who's policies run counter to their own are an unfortunate inconvenience who have to be waited out . You read this editorial and it is almost self defining . You guys crack me up . Until Trump came along it was the left that complained about the permanent state . Heroes of the left like Ed Snowden routinely used those exact words . You tell me .The emperor campaigned against the Bush era surveillance and security policies in 2008 .Then how do you explain the fact that nothing changed in 8 years of his reign ? Are you now denying that a large segment of the government operates without much transparency or public scrutiny, and has abused its powers in myriad ways. You said so during 8 years of Bush . But you watch the government GWOT go virtually unchanged for 16 years .Back then it was said that Bush was led to war by a bipartisan cadre of national security insiders who had long wanted to take out Saddam Hussein. Mike Lofgren ,a member of Congress for 17 years ,was the first to use the term in an essay to refer to a web of entrenched interests in the US government that dictate America’s defense decisions, trade policies and priorities with little regard for the actual interests or desires of the American people or their elected representatives .

    Mr/Ms AnyMouse did us a favor by coming out so blatantly . If his goal is as claimed to quietly stop Trump from wrong-headed decisions, why brag about it in the Slimes ? My guess is that this person's name will be revealed soon ;the author will quit the WH ;and sign a book deal. All selfish reasons ;just as Mark Felt's motives were revealed when we finally found out he was 'Deep Throat' .
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    Sep 8, 2018, 04:05 AM
    You have to wonder who elected anyone to circumvent the President. Trump is correct in calling these acts treason, they may have prevented him from responding to an eminent threat, the job he is elected to do. An immediate enquiry should be launched to uncover the truth. This is the danger of having an unelected cabinet
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    Sep 8, 2018, 04:46 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    please !!! ;the nameless faceless cogs who go to DC for a paycheck from a government job ,skulking the hall ways embedding themselves ;anonymous characters thinking elected officials come and go but we are the permanent government are NOT the foundation that keeps things going . Washington DC is a big welfare check. Get rid of 75% of them and you would see not difference in the "services " provided " .
    One guy writes an op ed, and you guys go bonkers. Typical of righties to blame everybody and launch into your favorite rants and badmouth everything you hate. Everybody is a lazy welfare slug looking for free stuff, except you who works hard for your money as long as the boss says so. Keep thinking the boss needs you that much.

    As for the definition of the deep state ; it is the career bureaucracy who sit in powerful positions, who don't leave when presidents do and think elected officials who's policies run counter to their own are an unfortunate inconvenience who have to be waited out . You read this editorial and it is almost self defining . You guys crack me up . Until Trump came along it was the left that complained about the permanent state . Heroes of the left like Ed Snowden routinely used those exact words . You tell me .The emperor campaigned against the Bush era surveillance and security policies in 2008 .Then how do you explain the fact that nothing changed in 8 years of his reign ? Are you now denying that a large segment of the government operates without much transparency or public scrutiny, and has abused its powers in myriad ways. You said so during 8 years of Bush . But you watch the government GWOT go virtually unchanged for 16 years .Back then it was said that Bush was led to war by a bipartisan cadre of national security insiders who had long wanted to take out Saddam Hussein. Mike Lofgren ,a member of Congress for 17 years ,was the first to use the term in an essay to refer to a web of entrenched interests in the US government that dictate America’s defense decisions, trade policies and priorities with little regard for the actual interests or desires of the American people or their elected representatives .
    Maybe that's the problem. The elected officials who run to suck off the government teat like those faceless cogs you referenced before. We all know they get paid very well to co sign for BIG money. Look at the Dufus's cabinet, teat suckers all.

    Mr/Ms AnyMouse did us a favor by coming out so blatantly . If his goal is as claimed to quietly stop Trump from wrong-headed decisions, why brag about it in the Slimes ? My guess is that this person's name will be revealed soon ;the author will quit the WH ;and sign a book deal. All selfish reasons ;just as Mark Felt's motives were revealed when we finally found out he was 'Deep Throat' .
    I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you that some faceless cog is trying to cash in! The lazy teat sucker should get a real job, like you got!
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    Sep 8, 2018, 05:39 AM
    Clete yup a classic case of sedition.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...-times/569416/
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    Sep 8, 2018, 05:46 AM
    Keep thinking the boss needs you that much.
    The only thing the boss owes me is the money for time I have already given on the job.

    The lazy teat sucker should get a real job, like you !
    yup .It is unbelievably unacceptable that some permanent government employee can undermine the elected leader of the country . Do you know that in many cases he has no say over who works for him below the highest levels ? It would be as if my boss could hire me as a manager . But me and the boss don't have a say about who works for us . What even makes it worse is that this any mouse clown was probably installed by Priebus when he was Chief of Staff. .
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    Sep 8, 2018, 06:04 AM
    At the same time, the joke of senate hearings for Kavanaugh continue. The questions vary from sensible to ridiculous. It's all about just trying to find some kind of a statement or belief that can be used as leverage. "Have you done anything wrong in your entire life? Have you made a unwanted pass at a woman in the past 40 years, including your time in high school? Have you ever, ever, ever listened to a dirty joke? Do you ever speak to people about current news items such as the Mueller investigation? Do you read the newspaper or watch Fox news? Did you speak to any unnamed, non-specific person in a particular law firm employing perhaps 100 people about the Mueller investigation? Have you ever had a bad thought? Do you promise to always do what I want you to do as a SCOTUS justice? Did you ever receive a spanking as a child? Have you ever said anything you now regret saying? In short, are you a human being?"

    The basic concept is to say nothing of substance, to certainly never say what you really believe concerning any topic that might be even marginally controversial, and to make certain that every answer is a long winded discussion about nothing that gives but little information and eats up as much time as possible. Do not, under any circumstances, give an answer that the dems can twist into a false image. So we end up knowing little more about the nominee than we knew beforehand. Even at that, we will hopefully now have a SCOTUS that interprets law as opposed to legislating from the bench, so score one big win for Trump.

    Isn't it strange that the party of Bill Clinton now has such concern about women's rights?
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    Sep 8, 2018, 08:17 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    You have to wonder who elected anyone to circumvent the President. Trump is correct in calling these acts treason, they may have prevented him from responding to an eminent threat, the job he is elected to do. An immediate enquiry should be launched to uncover the truth. This is the danger of having an unelected cabinet
    I respectfully disagree Clete, as we don't have a KBG in America, and we have a right to blast the boss. We may get fired, but until specific allegations are proved, the Anonymous author is innocent of a crime. Unlike his boss who is being investigated for crimes. Personally I don't think the author has revealed anything new or is a secret, but having observed all that he alleges, has been pretty incompetent in blowing the whistle on bad behavior and has allowed it to go on, and that assumes what he said is true, and the account accurate.
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    Sep 8, 2018, 08:29 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    Clete yup a classic case of sedition.


    Just another opinion like all the others Tom, and the buck stops at the top. Only a Dufus can have all these kinds of people around him and be so clueless. What do you expect from a snake that hires other snakes?

    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    The only thing the boss owes me is the money for time I have already given on the job.

    yup .It is unbelievably unacceptable that some permanent government employee can undermine the elected leader of the country . Do you know that in many cases he has no say over who works for him below the highest levels ? It would be as if my boss could hire me as a manager . But me and the boss don't have a say about who works for us . What even makes it worse is that this any mouse clown was probably installed by Priebus when he was Chief of Staff. .
    The Dufus can and has fired and hired whomever he wants under him. He doesn't get to lay the blame on someone else. LOL, you don't find it hilarious his head is exploding because he didn't figure it out before the Times published it's Op Ed? I do. I told you he was incompetent.
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    Sep 8, 2018, 08:42 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    At the same time, the joke of senate hearings for Kavanaugh continue. The questions vary from sensible to ridiculous. It's all about just trying to find some kind of a statement or belief that can be used as leverage. "Have you done anything wrong in your entire life? Have you made a unwanted pass at a woman in the past 40 years, including your time in high school? Have you ever, ever, ever listened to a dirty joke? Do you ever speak to people about current news items such as the Mueller investigation? Do you read the newspaper or watch Fox news? Did you speak to any unnamed, non-specific person in a particular law firm employing perhaps 100 people about the Mueller investigation? Have you ever had a bad thought? Do you promise to always do what I want you to do as a SCOTUS justice? Did you ever receive a spanking as a child? Have you ever said anything you now regret saying? In short, are you a human being?"
    I've been watching these things for decades and it's always the same partisan behavior depending on whose in power. Nothing new here at all, except repubs had to una$$ a lot of committee confidential documents at the last minute.

    The basic concept is to say nothing of substance, to certainly never say what you really believe concerning any topic that might be even marginally controversial, and to make certain that every answer is a long winded discussion about nothing that gives but little information and eats up as much time as possible. Do not, under any circumstances, give an answer that the dems can twist into a false image. So we end up knowing little more about the nominee than we knew beforehand. Even at that, we will hopefully now have a SCOTUS that interprets law as opposed to legislating from the bench, so score one big win for Trump.
    Yeah that's pretty much how it goes and has gone before, and it's the dems this time playing gotcha, but repubs are very good at it too. As to whether this nominee gets confirmed, and his rulings once confirmed, we wait and see, just like all the rest of the justices before him. To expect any judge to rule in YOUR favor would delegitimize the whole justice system and show that it'srigged. Maybe that's what you guys wanted in the first place.

    Isn't it strange that the party of Bill Clinton now has such concern about women's rights?
    Isn't it strange you think the party of Trump cares about women's rights?
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    Sep 8, 2018, 08:56 AM
    "Isn't it strange you think the party of Trump cares about women's rights?"
    So the bottom line is, neither party has any claim to being the great defender of women's rights. It's all about politics. The amazing thing is that so many women blindly and dutifully voted for HC when she has as dirty a record in regards to women's rights as Trump does.
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    Sep 8, 2018, 09:01 AM
    No she doesn't.

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