Come on, you can't spin your way out of this one. There is absolutely no mistaking Pelosi's reference to the biblical Job, the man of patience. Who has and who hasn't read it is irrelevant.

I didn't say it wasn't the Biblical Job.

Now I understand you better.

She says he has a lot of patience, and she is correct.

Obviously, even in the face of overwhelming, indisputable evidence, you are never wrong.

"She wasn't referring to the Bible. Job is an Everyman, just like King Lear is or Hamlet."

Job is an Everyman in the English language. One does not have to introduce him by saying he's from the Bible. It doesn't matter that he's from the Bible. His story is universal. People who know nothing about the Bible recognize the name Job and that his name means patience in suffering.

Even I've heard of the expression "the patience of Job" - I guess I should be giving bible lessons now. LOL!

If even YOU know about Job, that proves my point.

The speaker of the house better get with the former speaker of the house because he needs some votes.

The Tea Party and the debt ceiling - Ezra Klein - The Washington Post

The House has called Obama's bluff and scheduled a vote next week on raising the ceiling by 2.4 trillion with matching cuts while he says we're running out of time and offering no specifics.

LOL, he doesn't have to do or say anything as the way it works is it goes to the senate, and they have to vote, amend, and debate it, then it goes back to the house for ratification. No doubt the senate will add revenues to whatever they vote on, so the house is where the action is.

Until then, the president has to wait for the final product to reach his desk. Then its his call to sign, veto, or use it as toilet paper. That's how the process works.

He ain't bluffing either. He already said unless it's a balanced approach, REVENUES, and CUTS, it gets vetoed.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL Who has called whose bluff??

That's the spin, but debate is over.

Really? That's how the process works? Gee thanks, I had no idea. :rolleyes:

I thought all the action was in the House, that he didn't have to say or do anything? You mean he's actually supposed to lead? And he has, by ignoring his own commission and demanding $3 billion from corporate jet owners and geading a party that refuses to even propose a budget.

He was against raising the debt ceiling before he was for it .

‪Juan Williams Pwned: Sean Hannity Makes Williams Look Like Complete A$$‬‏ - YouTube

Well it wasn't Bush. In fact as long as the corporations own your government you won't get anyone there that does the will of the people.

You can talk about failure of leadership but the failure doesn't necessarily fall on BO, the failure happened long ago and has been perpetuated until the burden becomes unbearable. Leadership says you cut into the dead wood but it also says you must be realistic about the revenue base. It is currently inadequate for a number of reasons, and one of those reasons is greed. Corporate greed typified by the actions of banks and traders. It is also inadequate because of unemployment, the bill for benefits is large and ongoing. So why don't you take the Greek pill and make modest reductions in various benefits at the same time making modest changes to the tax regime. Those who benefit pay the bill. Take back all the shoring up given to various corporates and if they fail let them

Hello again,

27 pages and no resolution... The righty's STILL think it's just hunky dory to let the rich off and make the poor pay.

What I don't understand, is why THEY don't understand WHY that PISSES liberals off.

excon

Too many claims and counter claims from the incompetent left and right of politics. It makes us non-Americans scratch our heads.

Reading the Current Events board here won't give you a real depiction of american politics just the fringe/fanatical element. Most americans I've met are much more moderate. People have bigger personalities on the internet due to the anonymity.

Hi Karma,

You're closer to the action than I am so I am happy to go along with that.
Thank goodness for that! I was starting to get worried.

Tut