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    Oct 7, 2010, 06:12 PM
    Corporate Obamacare waivers
    After threatening to drag corporate execs who dared speak the truth about the consequences of Obamacare before Congress, calling on citizens to rat out their neighbors, demonizing insurance companies, the latest McDonald's flap and all the other posturing and threats, this regime has decided to grant Obamacare waivers.

    As Obama administration officials put into place the first major wave of changes under the health care legislation, they have tried to defuse stiffening resistance — from companies like McDonald’s and some insurers — by granting dozens of waivers to maintain even minimal coverage far below the new law’s standards.

    “The president wants to have a smooth glide path to 2014,” said Nancy-Ann DeParle, the director of the Office of Health Reform at the White House.

    The waivers have been issued in the last several weeks as part of a broader strategic effort to stave off threats by some health insurers to abandon markets, drop out of the business altogether or refuse to sell certain policies.

    Among those that administration officials hoped to mollify with waivers were some big insurers, some smaller employers and McDonald’s, which went so far as to warn that the regulations could force it to strip workers of existing coverage.

    At a time when the midterm elections are looming and Republicans have been vocal in campaigning against the law, reaction to the rollout has been closely watched.

    To date, the administration has given about 30 insurers, employers and union plans, responsible for covering about one million people, one-year waivers on the new rules that phase out annual limits on coverage for limited-benefit plans, also known as “mini-meds.” Applicants said their premiums would increase significantly, in some cases doubling or more.
    The standard line on the left is that we're just pawns to corporate interests. So what the heck do you call this?
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    Oct 8, 2010, 02:37 AM


    This proves the axiom that governments can pick and chose winners and losers through the regulatory process. What happened to 'no one will lose the coverage they have "? What happened to "equal protection under the law "? There are thousands of small businesses in a similar bind.
    Of course the Dems anticipated this and wrote the waiver into the law .
    http://www.hhs.gov/ociio/regulations...100903_508.pdf

    I think small businesses should swamp the regulators with waiver requests .

    By design,the alternative to mini-meds is a government pool ;and they are in no ways prepared to implement it .
    Their grand plan about phasing out mini-meds is blowing up in their face. For some strange reason they thought companies would suddenly switch to gold plated coverage even though in many instances they were told it would be a business killer.

    On another post Excon asked why regime uncertainty would stifle business creation. This is a prime example... tax uncertainty is another .
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    Oct 8, 2010, 08:26 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    The standard line on the left is that we're just pawns to corporate interests. So what the heck do you call this?
    Hello Steve:

    I'd call it bending to the will of corporate interests. You don't? Dude!
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    On another post Excon asked why regime uncertainty would stifle business creation. This is a prime example....tax uncertainty is another .
    Hello tom:

    Well, you've got business, who're sitting on piles of cash, and don't have to really COMPETE because they've got government bailouts, or subsidy's, or otherwise some FAVOR, and then you've got REAL business's who need to compete EVERY day, Saturday and Sunday included, or they go broke...

    Because in the REAL world of business, when you need to hire an employee because the work is too much for your present staff, you HIRE a new employee. You DON'T read the Wall Street Journal to find out if you SHOULD. In the REAL world of business, when there's an OPPORTUNITY to invest in a new product or service, you do it NOW, because if you DON'T, somebody else WILL. You DON'T read the Washington Post see what the politicians are saying...

    The pundits, and the right wing politicians, and YOU guys, don't know ANYTHING about business, or you wouldn't be talking about "uncertainty" killing jobs... It's bunk - pure BUNK!


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    Oct 8, 2010, 08:46 AM

    I hear it from business people. I'm not making this up. It is available for anyone to read... and now ,because they've stopped cowering from the President's threats ,they are speaking out about the obvious intended and unintended results of the policies of the egg heads in office... who never had to hire in the private sector.
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    Oct 8, 2010, 08:54 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    I hear it from business people.
    Hello tom:

    I AM a businessman.

    Look, I don't like the tangle of regulations that I have to jump through now. But, whether some politician is going to TRY to pass laws that regulate my industry more, or raise my taxes, is NOT going to stop ME from making decisions that will forward my business.

    Yes, I may have to fill out more forms and pay more taxes, but what is the alternative?? To let my business DIE?? Only a PUNDIT, or a POLITICIAN, who has NEVER been in business would say that. In business, you move FORWARD or you DIE. I can't AFFORD to sit on my hands. Frankly, I don't know a businessman who can.

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    Oct 8, 2010, 10:00 AM

    Here was the assessment of a meeting of 10 billionaires last month:
    “The Obama administration was viewed as hostile to business and that discouraged both hiring and investment. Companies and entrepreneurs were reluctant to add workers because they didn't know what their healthcare costs or taxes were going to be.”
    News Headlines
    (note the source is not Fox)

    I know that I have done some serious belt tightening ,and have put off purchases I otherwise would've made. That makes me one less potential customer for your business. There are many out there like me.

    They say the recession ended last year . Are you saying unemployment numbers lag a year after recovery ? If there was an end to the recession last year then how do you explain what is in fact rising unemployment numbers ? Businesses don't want to stagnate as you say . But I know for a fact that there are many businesses that are offering overtime and squeezing as much productivity as they can out of their current employees rather than hiring more .

    You say you would hire the productive employee . I say with the new Dodd-Frank regulations you may be paying an army of accountants instead. You may be using that money to pay additional taxes ,or you may not hire because the government demands that your employees are provided health care. Your share of the unemployment insurance might be raised to cover the extended benefits in that area . Note the words may , and might . You don't know so how can you say that you can afford to bring on additional help ?
    Don't tell me that isn't a calculation in your hiring practices . Needing help is not the only calculation you are making .


    As much as I might want to hire new salespeople, engineers and marketing staff in an effort to grow, I would be increasing my company's vulnerability to government
    Michael P. Fleischer: Why I'm Not Hiring - WSJ.com
    Michael Fleischer is president of Bogen Communications Inc. Maybe he knows nothing about business either .

    Edit : I see the link only give a partial without subscription. Here is the full text.



    Why I'm Not Hiring
    When you add it all up, it costs $74,000 to put $44,000 in Sally's pocket and to give her $12,000 in benefits.
    Monday, August 09, 2010


    With unemployment just under 10% and companies sitting on their cash, you would think that sooner or later job growth would take off. I think it's going to be later—much later. Here's why.

    Meet Sally (not her real name; details changed to preserve privacy). Sally is a terrific employee, and she happens to be the median person in terms of base pay among the 83 people at my little company in New Jersey, where we provide audio systems for use in educational, commercial and industrial settings. She's been with us for over 15 years. She's a high school graduate with some specialized training. She makes $59,000 a year—on paper. In reality, she makes only $44,000 a year because $15,000 is taken from her thanks to various deductions and taxes, all of which form the steep, sad slope between gross and net pay.

    Before that money hits her bank, it is reduced by the $2,376 she pays as her share of the medical and dental insurance that my company provides. And then the government takes its due. She pays $126 for state unemployment insurance, $149 for disability insurance and $856 for Medicare. That's the small stuff. New Jersey takes $1,893 in income taxes. The federal government gets $3,661 for Social Security and another $6,250 for income tax withholding. The roughly $13,000 taken from her by various government entities means that some 22% of her gross pay goes to Washington or Trenton. She's lucky she doesn't live in New York City, where the toll would be even higher.

    Employing Sally costs plenty too. My company has to write checks for $74,000 so Sally can receive her nominal $59,000 in base pay. Health insurance is a big, added cost: While Sally pays nearly $2,400 for coverage, my company pays the rest—$9,561 for employee/spouse medical and dental. We also provide company-paid life and other insurance premiums amounting to $153. Altogether, company-paid benefits add $9,714 to the cost of employing Sally.

    Then the federal and state governments want a little something extra. They take $56 for federal unemployment coverage, $149 for disability insurance, $300 for workers' comp and $505 for state unemployment insurance. Finally, the feds make me pay $856 for Sally's Medicare and $3,661 for her Social Security.

    When you add it all up, it costs $74,000 to put $44,000 in Sally's pocket and to give her $12,000 in benefits. Bottom line: Governments impose a 33% surtax on Sally's job each year.

    Because my company has been conscripted by the government and forced to serve as a tax collector, we have lost control of a big chunk of our cost structure. Tax increases, whether cloaked as changes in unemployment or disability insurance, Medicare increases or in any other form can dramatically alter our financial situation. With government spending and deficits growing as fast as they have been, you know that more tax increases are coming—for my company, and even for Sally too.

    Companies have also been pressed into serving as providers of health insurance. In a saner world, health insurance would be something that individuals buy for themselves and their families, just as they do with auto insurance. Now, adding to the insanity, there is ObamaCare.

    Every year, we negotiate a renewal to our health coverage. This year, our provider demanded a 28% increase in premiums—for a lesser plan. This is in part a tax increase that the federal government has co-opted insurance providers to collect. We had never faced an increase anywhere near this large; in each of the last two years, the increase was under 10%.

    To offset tax increases and steepening rises in health-insurance premiums, my company needs sustainably higher profits and sales—something unlikely in this "summer of recovery." We can't pass the additional costs onto our customers, because the market is too tight and we'd lose sales. Only governments can raise prices repeatedly and pretend there will be no consequences.

    And even if the economic outlook were more encouraging, increasing revenues is always uncertain and expensive. As much as I might want to hire new salespeople, engineers and marketing staff in an effort to grow, I would be increasing my company's vulnerability to government decisions to raise taxes, to policies that make health insurance more expensive, and to the difficulties of this economic environment.

    A life in business is filled with uncertainties, but I can be quite sure that every time I hire someone my obligations to the government go up. From where I sit, the government's message is unmistakable: Creating a new job carries a punishing price.

    Mr. Fleischer is president of Bogen Communications Inc. in Ramsey, N.J.
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    Oct 8, 2010, 10:02 AM

    People aren't going to let their businesses die, they're going to look out for no. 1. If I have to cut benefits to stay in business well that sucks for you. If I have to raise prices because of new mandates and taxes then that sucks for the consumer because you see, businesses don't really pay taxes, people do.

    In punishing evil corporations the left is cutting their own throats because they are just going to pass the costs right back to them... and us, too.

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