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    Dec 3, 2021, 05:48 AM
    The chickens coming home to roost in lawless Blue America
    What started as a San Fran issue has gone to Blue cities across the USA.

    Thieves target Nordstrom, other stores across Bay Area in weekend spree (therealdeal.com)

    Smash and Grab has become the phrase to describe the lawless mobs that bum rush retail stores in San Fran, Chi town,LA NYC and , Minneapolis to name a few .

    This is not inner city bodegas .These thieves are hitting the high end retailers where the woke elite progressive shoppers do their business .

    A new breed of brazen takeover robbers hitting California luxury retailers, raising ire - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)

    Oak Brook, Illinois, Louis Vuitton: 14 people rushed into a store outside Chicago and ran out with at least $100,000 in merchandise, police say - CNN

    This will continue to grow and fester in the places of America that think abolishing and defunding police is good social policy.
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    Dec 3, 2021, 06:15 AM
    California’s zero-bail policy sets free 14 smash-grab robbery suspects, LAPD chief says

    Back in March, the California Supreme Court ruled that judges in the state must consider a suspect’s ability to pay when setting bail prices
    It's sheer lunacy. The state is basically encouraging robbery.

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/californi...ery-lapd-chief
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    Dec 3, 2021, 06:14 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    This will continue to grow and fester in the places of America that think abolishing and defunding police is good social policy.
    Defunding is a misnomer, a scary, even panicky synonym that Republicans have tossed into the effort to add qualified and well-trained counselors and social workers to police forces. They will accompany police when appropriate and necessary.
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    Dec 3, 2021, 07:28 PM
    Let’s be clear, the people who now oppose this, have always opposed calls for systematic change. https://t.co/SEh97GS9hg
    — Ilhan Omar (@IlhanMN) June 9, 2020
    The defund movement isn't new. Folks are just finally listening. "We got money for wars but can't feed the poor." #HappyBirthdayTupac #DefundPolice #FundCommunities
    — Ayanna Pressley (@AyannaPressley) June 16, 2020
    I believe we need to protect families who need help, and ICE isn’t doing that. It has become a deportation force. We need to separate immigration issues from criminal justice. We need to abolish ICE, start over and build something that actually works. https://t.co/JtSN68k4Fd
    — Kirsten Gillibrand (@SenGillibrand) June 29, 2018
    Instead of spending $80 billion a year on jails and incarceration, we need to be investing in more jobs and education. One thing is abundantly clear: Every police department violating people's civil rights must be stripped of federal funding. Period.
    — Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) June 4, 2020
    When we say #DefundPolice, what we mean is people are dying and we need to invest in people's livelihoods instead.

    EXAMPLE: Detroit spent $294 million on police last year, and $9 million on health.

    This is systemic oppression in numbers. pic.twitter.com/oPe0GD3D6p
    — Rashida Tlaib (@RashidaTlaib) June 4, 2020
    Defunding the police is about rebuilding our country in the image of our people — full of humanity, love, and care. Particularly for our kids and schools. https://t.co/vLZGfaidlH
    — Jamaal Bowman (@JamaalBowmanNY) February 22, 2021
    Another unarmed black man, shot in the back, by a WI police officer! No matter the outrage at the killing of George Floyd by a police officer, knee on his neck, the killing of black men continues. Is this a defiance by the police that indicates they don’t intend to stop?
    — Maxine Waters (@RepMaxineWaters) August 26, 2020
    This is the same Sacramento Police Department that murdered #StephonClark. The leadership of the department, and all of these officers, must be fired. Then, the department must be dismantled and policing reimagined.pic.twitter.com/c8dORCjsKG
    — Mondaire Jones (@MondaireJones) August 30, 2020
    For those who think spending more on policing works, look at St. Louis.

    We spend more per capita on police than 85% of police depts, yet 68% of violent crimes go unsolved. And police kill us at the highest rate in the nation.

    Police don’t need more money. Our communities do.
    — Cori Bush (@CoriBush) June 3, 2021
    Defunding the police isn’t radical, it’s real. https://t.co/wUcTjxqS3w
    — Cori Bush (@CoriBush) January 28, 2021
    Too many police in our country are more concerned with protecting white supremacy than serving the communities that pay their salaries. https://t.co/yDdUuw0GRv
    — Jamaal Bowman (@JamaalBowmanNY) March 17, 2021
    An “accidental discharge” that kills someone has another name: manslaughter.

    We don’t need police with lethal weapons carrying out routine traffic stops.

    Re-allocate police funding to unarmed traffic forces to remove even the possibility of state-sanctioned manslaughter. https://t.co/AbZ4NcwCC0
    — Jamaal Bowman (@JamaalBowmanNY) April 12, 2021
    ICE has kept a 7 year old captive & alone for FOUR MONTHS with no parents around.

    This is cruel and unusual punishment. The Eight Amendment strictly prohibits government from acting this way.

    THIS is what we need to “shut down until we figure out what’s going on.” Defund ICE. https://t.co/l47AcpudDZ
    — Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) March 12, 2018
    Defund ICE.

    Fund the USPS.
    — Rep. Ilhan Omar (@Ilhan) August 15, 2020
    Now @VICE reporting that @CBP is sending predator drones over #GeorgeFloyd protests in Minneapolis.

    This is what happens when leaders sign blank check after blank check to militarize police, CBP, etc while letting violence go unchecked.

    We need answers. And we need to defund. https://t.co/tfBZFRNI9G
    — Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) May 29, 2020
    "But the truth is that abolishing ICE isn’t that radical. We reorganize government all the time, creating some agencies and eliminating others. Nevertheless, it is a bold proposal."

    It's time to be bold. It's time to #AbolishICE.https://t.co/bSrAg79xLT
    — Rep. Mark Pocan (@repmarkpocan) July 2, 2018
    Do we really think our local police departments need weapons of war like:

    Grenade Launchers?
    Bayonets?
    Explosives?
    Weaponized Drones?

    None of these weapons belong on our streets against American civilians.

    We must #DemilitarizeThePolice today. It's past time we did.
    — Senator Mazie Hirono (@maziehirono) July 21, 2020
    The maximum cruelty that ICE inflicts on immigrants is horrifying and must come to an immediate end. It's time to replace this inhumane system with one that treats immigrants with dignity while ending our reliance on detention.https://t.co/4UtxDYmWHB
    — Rep. Pramila Jayapal (@RepJayapal) December 19, 2020
    Roughly 1 in 4 fatal police encounters end the life of someone with mental illness, so it’s no surprise that this program is saving lives. Sending healthcare professionals—not police—when someone is experiencing a mental health crisis makes our communities safer for all. https://t.co/9FDbAxtGas
    — Rep. Katie Porter (@RepKatiePorter) February 8, 2021
    We have seen video after video over the last few weeks of peaceful protestors being met with extreme violence from police.

    We can’t wait. It’s time to overhaul our policing system. https://t.co/3PiHshcjMN
    — Rep. Barbara Lee (@RepBarbaraLee) June 5, 2020
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    Dec 3, 2021, 07:56 PM
    Why did you go off topic with unrelated quotes?
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    Dec 3, 2021, 08:36 PM
    Dems invented the term and the foolish concept.
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    Dec 3, 2021, 09:39 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Dems invented the term and the foolish concept.
    And even some of them don't understand the intent.
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    Dec 4, 2021, 03:30 AM
    WG I believe you are giving the term your own definition that the Dems who speak of defunding do not intend.
    Austin Texas cut the police budget by a third and reallocated the money for abortion services and food welfare etc
    Yes some increases in social services are also in budgets

    These cities among others have already slashed police budgets ....New York City
    Washington, D.C. Baltimore Philadelphia Los Angeles San Francisco Atlanta Minneapolis Seattle All have experiences spikes in crime since .

    In Minneapolis, homicides increased by 60%. Atlanta, 2020 was the city’s most violent year on record. The city’s police department investigated 157 homicides in 2020, up from 99 in 2019 and the highest number in more than 20 years.

    Many cities are reversing some of those insane policies .Sandinista Bill approved slashing police funding , But one year later ;because of the resulting increase in crime ;he reinstated almost $100 million to the police budget . I am sure the new mayor will restore even more as defunding caused a shortage of both experienced officers due to retirements ;but also hiring from the police academy. Baltimore, cut the police budget by $22 million last year. But because of the crime spike the mayor proposed a $27 million increase.

    What needs to be addressed in some cases is police behavior . That can be addressed while still maintaining proper funding for public protection .
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    Dec 4, 2021, 06:35 AM
    Exactly right. The dems who push defunding are plainly cutting police budgets and cutting police personnel. The result is predictable and tragic, and who suffers the most? It is, as usual, the poor, the ones who can't live in gated communities and oftentimes can't protect themselves because of archaic "gun control" laws that prohibit them from being able to defend themselves.

    To suggest that the term "defunding" was concocted by the repubs just really seems to be questionable. Don't know where that idea came from.
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    Dec 6, 2021, 05:08 AM
    Mayor Beetlejuice dropped her lawsuit against the police union saying that enough police are being vaxed. She failed to mention that a judge stopped the city from firing cops until her order was dealt with in arbitration.

    Meanwhile as she takes on the police , a sad milestone was surpassed . Chi-town had it's 1,000th murder . And we still have another month of carnage to go.

    80% of the victims are Blacks . That fact gets a collective yawn because it doesn't fit into the left's narrative. However ,now that big crime has come to Chi-town's Gold Coast it is being noticed .
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    Dec 6, 2021, 05:39 AM
    As you said, 80% of the victims are black. Even worse, "data obtained by WBEZ under Illinois' open-records law show the city had 849 murders between the beginning of 2018 and this past July. When the victim was white, 47% of the cases were solved during those same 19 months. For Hispanics, the rate was about 33%. When the victim was African American, it was less than 22%." So the message would seem to be clear. Knock off a black guy and you'll get away with it. Just incredible.

    The economy under Trump set records for low minority and female unemployment. It can be hoped that minority Americans will begin to see that their futures do not lie with the liberal dems.

    https://www.npr.org/local/309/2019/1...tims-are-black
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    Dec 6, 2021, 06:44 AM
    It certainly would appear that the liberals on this site have left the field for the locker room.
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    Dec 7, 2021, 09:21 AM
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    Dec 9, 2021, 04:55 AM
    So, the mayor of Oakland, Libby Schaaf, was shocked....shocked that a 1 year-old was struck and killed by a stray bullet in her lawless city; and a retired cop hired as store security was killed. So, she is abandoning her idiotic defund the police rhetoric and is going to hire more cops.

    1-year-old boy fatally hit by stray bullet while asleep in mom’s car on Oakland freeway | KTLA

    Mayor Schaaf Pushes To Hire More Police In Response To Oakland Violence – CBS San Francisco (cbslocal.com)

    Last year,as the whole defund the police movement was gaining momentum, murders in the US rose by 30%. It still is not as high as it was in the 1990s. But considering the years prior to 2020's decreases, it is a shocking sudden increase.

    While lib apologists try to blame the pandemic; it is clear that policies like bail reform; other soft on crime policies like defund the police are the real causes in the spike. Some of these policies include decriminalizing of retail theft and severing ties between police depts and public schools.

    That is one of the policies defunding the police has bought that we have not discussed much here
    NYC has been phasing out cops in schools. 38 weapons were recovered over a three-day period from a high school campus in Brooklyn earlier this month.

    The Los Angeles system voted in February to cut the number of school police officers by 40%.
    “108 assaults took place between August and October of this year, with 16 students requiring hospitalization. Police sources add that 44 weapons were recovered, including five handguns and 32 knives.”

    Parents, Teachers Call for School Cops to Return | City Journal (city-journal.org)

    I long for the day when the left realizes that policing protects the most vulnerable people in society; the very people the left pretends to represent. I long for the day when the left's voting block realize they have been backing the wrong horse.
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    Dec 9, 2021, 05:39 AM
    I long for the day when the left realizes that policing protects the most vulnerable people in society; the very people the left pretends to represent. I long for the day when the left's voting block realize they have been backing the wrong horse.
    You would think that day would come, but I don't expect it anytime soon. Once people get their minds solidly made up, it seems that no amount of data or reason can change it. It typically takes something dramatic. Perhaps these growing crime waves will begin to invade their communities. That might do it.

    The same is true of abortion. If the national media ever becomes objective enough to report honestly on the brutal methods of abortion and the ghastly and tragic outcomes, then abortion will come to an end. Again, it seems to much to hope for.
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    Dec 9, 2021, 05:56 AM
    The left is becoming desperate about abortion because "follow the science" undermines their viability argument.
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    Dec 9, 2021, 06:12 AM
    Science would seem to undermine all of their argument. "My body, my choice" is plainly not an argument from science. That the unborn child is a separate, completely human, completely alive person from the very beginning is unarguably true.
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    Dec 10, 2021, 05:56 AM
    Here is an interesting take from Chi town . The Cook Country prsecutor Kim Foxx refused to charge gang members arrested after a shoot out that left 1 dead and 2 wounded . Her reason was that the gang members were "Mutual combatants" ;meaning that they all chose to engage in a shootout with each other.

    Even Mayor Beetlejuice is outraged . She asked for Federal intervention but so far AG Garland is more concerned with the threat of parents at school board meetings.

    Mutual combatants is an old concept that police traditionally use when 2 people are engaged in a fist fight that the cops break up. It is decided that no charges will be filed . This may be the first time it was used when weapons and probably illegal weapons were involved and a death occurred .

    Foxx has the political and financial backing of the Civic Participation Action Fund,a PAC funded by George Soros.. Soros is the puppet master behind the woke criminal justice system. He spent $400,000 on her campaign for County DA .and $300,000 the Civic Participation Action fund.He has been spreading his wealth across the US to fundamentally change law enforcement in the US.. The reason Soros has spent so much money on DA races is straighforward . The emperor used “prosecutorial discretion” to grant de facto amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants when he could not get the immigration laws he wanted passed . Soros recognizes that local prosecutors can exercise the same discretion to selectively enforce laws. So he can spend $$$ on DA races knowing that the outcome will determine how and if laws are enforced.

    Try as she might ,Foxx could not prevent Jusse Smollett from being charged .2019 she dropped 16 felony counts against him. At the time. The Illinois Prosecutors Bar Association said that she “failed in her most fundamental ethical obligations.” and called on her to resign

    She's still there .Among the changes she has made in Chi town was the vacating of dozens of convictions and the suspension of prosecuting thefts less than $1,000 .Now she legalized gangland shootouts .
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    Dec 10, 2021, 07:00 AM
    I keep waiting for the liberals on this site to come forward and say, "We have found common ground. What the DA did was terrible." Been waiting a long time.

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