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    Jan 11, 2019, 09:43 PM
    Breaking News - Trump and Russia
    Tonight the NYTimes reports that the FBI opened an inquiry shortly after Comey was fired into whether Trump was working secretly with Russia. This is a FIRST for the American presidency! Counter-intellligence investigating a sitting president.

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    Responding to the Times article, Tucker Carlson of right-wing FOX Cable suggests the FBI is a rogue, criminal organization.
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    Jan 12, 2019, 07:15 AM
    So the FBI secretly investigates a sitting pres who fired their beloved (I suppose) director. They find nothing, and then manage to leak the news a year and a half later. This is the same FBI who investigated HC, found evidence of criminal behavior, but then circumvented the AG and decided not to prosecute.

    Yeah, that FBI is a sterling bunch.
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    Jan 12, 2019, 02:23 PM
    Haven't we been down this road, Mueller has worked for two years, if there was any evidence you would think it might be obvious by now
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    Jan 12, 2019, 04:22 PM
    We have plenty of evidence with convictions of lying about the campaigns contacts with Russian intelligence and Manafort's direct connections to Russian oligarchs working under Putin, and MORE to come for sure, so why you ignore what's there already is a mystery to me even if you are aa stone to the bone dufus sycophant. Add some campaign payoff hijinks and the big bucks for his inauguration nobody can account for, you have to be smelling the stink of corruption even if you squeeze your nose so tight your eyes buck out.

    Don't worry, it won't be long now.
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    Jan 12, 2019, 05:31 PM
    Look, Trump is a businessman who wanted to establish his empire in Russia too, it doesn't prove collusion, it doesn't prove treason, what it proves is he had plans. There is so much corruption over there I don't know how you could tell one stench from another. Look, Tal, I really don't care who sits on the american throne as long as he doesn't ignite a war, we have had enough of wars, they have achieved nothing
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    Jan 13, 2019, 04:25 AM
    There are wars everywhere, that's why masses of people are running all over the place. There will always be a war someplace, with masses of people running all over the place. Nothing new for humans. Of course the Dufus is a business man, if you want to call a con job business. Vlad is out of his league though, and it shows.
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    Jan 13, 2019, 06:40 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    Haven't we been down this road, Mueller has worked for two years, if there was any evidence you would think it might be obvious by now

    Trump either worked for the Kremlin, or he was an unwilling agent manipulated by the Russians. The evidence is there.

    See "Proof of Collusion" by Seth Abramson.

    https://www.vox.com/2018/6/11/174383...ssia-collusion

    Vox is rated as left-leaning but "highly factual". There's much in the link but it's nicely broken down into sections. Worth a read.
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    Jan 13, 2019, 07:35 AM
    This is a good summary of the article: "I would not necessarily call any of this “evidence” of collusion, but it’s certainly grounds for suspicion."

    If that article is all Mueller has, then it's time to shut down the investigation.

    Another quote about the "evidence": "That Trumpworld was clearly open to both political collusion and financial dealmaking with the Russian government doesn’t demonstrate that either actually occurred. But it’s unquestionably evidence in favor of the possibility."

    Really powerful stuff. "...evidence in favor of the possibility." That one made me laugh. Try that one is a court of law. "Your honor, we have evidence that favors the possibility that the accused is guilty!"
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    Jan 13, 2019, 08:10 AM
    Here is how the federal government works. The government is partially shut down, and thousands of workers are not getting paid. The democrats are so concerned about this that they decide they need to meet and conference about it. Now where do you suppose they went? To someone's house, or to a hotel in Virginia, or an office building in the capital? No, they found it necessary to spend taxpayer borrowed money to go to Puerto Rico and meet in a no doubt expensive hotel, and eat no doubt expensive meals, so they could talk about the budget crisis. The amazing thing is, they do not see the irony in this. Why do these people continue to get elected??
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    Jan 13, 2019, 10:44 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    This is a good summary of the article: "I would not necessarily call any of this “evidence” of collusion, but it’s certainly grounds for suspicion."

    If that article is all Mueller has, then it's time to shut down the investigation.

    Another quote about the "evidence": "That Trumpworld was clearly open to both political collusion and financial dealmaking with the Russian government doesn’t demonstrate that either actually occurred. But it’s unquestionably evidence in favor of the possibility."

    Really powerful stuff. "...evidence in favor of the possibility." That one made me laugh. Try that one is a court of law. "Your honor, we have evidence that favors the possibility that the accused is guilty!"
    Do you need a list of the Mueller indictments that have gone or will go before a court of law... so far? The media doesn't know what Mueller has and neither do you since he has said or leaked nothing, just continually brought criminals to justice. That's evidence he is a careful professional, doing a professional investigation and getting legal results. Go ahead, keep dismissing those outcomes all you want, but I bet those dufus flunkies and Vlad conspirators have not.

    Even the dufus has enough sense to find as many lawyers as he can to defend him against the Mueller witch hunt!

    https://www.politicususa.com/2019/01...-on-trump.html

    We're going to get that lying cheating dufus!

    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Here is how the federal government works. The government is partially shut down, and thousands of workers are not getting paid. The democrats are so concerned about this that they decide they need to meet and conference about it. Now where do you suppose they went? To someone's house, or to a hotel in Virginia, or an office building in the capital? No, they found it necessary to spend taxpayer borrowed money to go to Puerto Rico and meet in a no doubt expensive hotel, and eat no doubt expensive meals, so they could talk about the budget crisis. The amazing thing is, they do not see the irony in this. Why do these people continue to get elected??
    The dems have passed their bills already and now it's up to repubs in the senate to pass theirs. That's how the government works. The only one just talking is YOUR dufus.
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    Jan 13, 2019, 01:01 PM
    The dems have passed their bills already and now it's up to repubs in the senate to pass theirs. That's how the government works. The only one just talking is YOUR dufus.
    Takes 60 votes in the senate. That's how the government works, so it does require some democrat cooperation. Even if that was not the case, it does not justify the high and mighty going on a taxpayer funded spending spree to Puerto Rico simply because they want to. That's pathetic.

    Do you need a list of the Mueller indictments that have gone or will go before a court of law... so far? The media doesn't know what Mueller has and neither do you since he has said or leaked nothing, just continually brought criminals to justice.
    That's was a reply to the article linked by Athos. Did you bother to read it??
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    Jan 13, 2019, 02:15 PM
    WHO in the FBI authorized a counter intelligence investigation of Trump ?
    McCabe?
    Strzok?Baker?Page? The whole group demonstrated political bias against Trump and have left the FBI in disgrace .
    and who supervised at DOJ? Rosenstein?
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    Jan 13, 2019, 02:22 PM
    They are all anti-Trump, so I'm sure it will be OK with many people. Now if that had been done with Mr. Obama, then it would have caused an uproar and heads would have rolled.
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    Jan 13, 2019, 03:08 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Takes 60 votes in the senate. That's how the government works, so it does require some democrat cooperation. Even if that was not the case, it does not justify the high and mighty going on a taxpayer funded spending spree to Puerto Rico simply because they want to. That's pathetic...That's was a reply to the article linked by Athos. Did you bother to read it??
    So why doesn't Mitch put them to a vote? He knows he has the votes from the dems and probably enough to OVERRIDE a dufus veto. Shutdown over, and that's how the government should work. The real question would then be does NANCY have the votes in the house. That requires republican support. Roughly 65 repubs must join the dems.

    Yes I read the article and a number of accounts besides and my point is if everybody indicted and convicted worked for the same guy then I would sure look at the guy closely wouldn't you? That's not evidence, but is some compelling PROBABLE CAUSE don't you agree?

    Quote Originally Posted by jlisenbe View Post
    Here is how the federal government works. The government is partially shut down, and thousands of workers are not getting paid. The democrats are so concerned about this that they decide they need to meet and conference about it. Now where do you suppose they went? To someone's house, or to a hotel in Virginia, or an office building in the capital? No, they found it necessary to spend taxpayer borrowed money to go to Puerto Rico and meet in a no doubt expensive hotel, and eat no doubt expensive meals, so they could talk about the budget crisis. The amazing thing is, they do not see the irony in this. Why do these people continue to get elected??
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/...o-rico-n956426
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    Jan 13, 2019, 04:21 PM
    That's not evidence, but is some compelling PROBABLE CAUSE don't you agree?
    So we both agree there is no evidence.

    So why doesn't Mitch put them to a vote? He knows he has the votes from the dems and probably enough to OVERRIDE a dufus veto.
    There is only one bill sent to the senate and it involves spending on the wall. If you are saying that there are dems in the senate who will vote for it, I'd love to know who they are.
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    Jan 13, 2019, 04:43 PM
    Joe Manchin is the only one I can think of .
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    Jan 13, 2019, 05:14 PM
    There is an abundance of probable cause that warrants an investigation and we will have to wait for Mueller's report, or any number of the OTHER investigations to conclude. You really believe no repub will vote to open up the government, after they voted to keep it open in December with no wall money? Be interesting to see how this plays out as it goes on with people losing money on a freaking wall that won't get built anytime during this reign of stupidity and corruption.
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    Jan 13, 2019, 05:16 PM
    Which reigh of stupidity and corruption was that?
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    Jan 13, 2019, 05:48 PM
    BS . There was no probable cause . They ran a secret counter intelligence operation before the election and used the pretext of the Comey firing to formalize it .It was always a political banana republic attack on a political foe .
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    Jan 13, 2019, 06:17 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    BS . There was no probable cause .

    Trump gave every indication of colluding with Russia. Of course, they investigated him - that's their job. Mueller knows thing nobody else does.

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