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Oct 23, 2009, 03:41 PM
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Birther's update
Have Y'all seen this yet? Sent out by Newsmax.
From The Desk Of Gary G. Kreep
Dear Friend the Constitution,
Barack Hussein Obama is not happy! When his taxpayer paid U. S. Department of Justice ("DOJ") attorneys walked into court on October 5, 2009, expecting United States Federal District Court Judge David Carter to immediately dismiss the birth certificate case, he did not get his way! Their legal arguments were hollow and unconvincing. And after hearing hours of argument, Judge Carter “took the matter under submission.” He has still not issued a ruling, 17 days later!
According to the DOJ Attorneys: The President is above the Law and the Courts!
The DOJ attorneys told the Judge that no Court in the United States had the right to rule on whether Barack Hussein Obama was eligible to serve as President of the United States! In their view, he could only be impeached and/or disqualified from the Office of President under the 25th Amendment to the U. S. Constitution.
THIS IS NOT TRUE! As USJF pointed out to the Court, both in our pleadings and in our oral presentation at the hearing, both the impeachment statutes, and the 25th Amendment require a sitting President. However, if Mr. Obama is not eligible to serve as President, he could not be, and never was, a sitting President, so those options for removal could not apply. Therefore the courts would have jurisdiction.
Monday, October 5, 2009, at 8:30 a.m. in California, was a critical milestone for our entire legal and public relations effort to force Barack Obama to produce his birth certificate, as well as other documents, to prove whether he is eligible to serve as President of the United States. And with your support USJF was able to be there to argue the case.
This case has an excellent chance to survive the Department of Justice motion to dismiss, and it has proven to be the best chance for America to have a hearing on the merits on this critical Constitutional issue.
What happened that day in Court? It's very simple—the DOJ attorneys brought up every argument that they could to try to persuade the Court to dismiss this case
USJF provided sound legal arguments against all of the DOJ legal theories, and we were the only ones to do so; otherwise the whole case could have been over right then and there! The USJF oral arguments at the hearing may well be the difference between this case surviving or being dismissed.
The Judge raised issues critical to our case:
1. Did U.S. Senators question the eligibility of Mr. Obama? (Only USJF was able to tell the Court that Senators Coburn and Shelby and a number of House of Representative members had done so.)
2. Were objections made by Members of Congress when the vote of the Electoral College was certified? (Only USJF was able to tell the Court that NO, then Vice-President Cheney had not performed his required duty of asking for objections, so there could have been none raised.)
DOJ attorneys also argued that only Congress, and/or the Electoral College, could decide on the eligibility of Mr. Obama. Fortunately, the USJF legal team, and only the USJF legal team, filed pleadings pointing out that the DOJ legal arguments in this regard WERE WRONG! And, I was there to argue against those false claims.
People at the hearing and those who have found out what happened there since have been contacting USJF, thanking us for standing up for the truth!
But the fight is not over yet! We expect a ruling from the Court any day now. If we defeat the dismissal motion, then we're immediately filing pleadings ("discovery") seeking Mr. Obama's birth certificate, his college records, and much, much more. AND, we'll be seeking to depose Mr. Obama ASAP!
Judge Carter has set a trial date of January 26, 2010 in this case. To keep that date, we need to defeat the DOJ dismissal motion, and then, IMMEDIATELY, move right into the discovery phase discussed above.
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Oct 23, 2009, 03:48 PM
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Good luck Gal!
**** edit, I would hope the waste of space was merely a error
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Oct 23, 2009, 04:08 PM
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 Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Good luck Gal!
NK
Did I make any comment or endorsement?
I thought some of you out there might be interested in what is going on.
However, better minds than yours are working on this, so you shouldn't mock.
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Oct 23, 2009, 04:17 PM
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 Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Good luck Gal!
Way to waste everyone's space and make yourself look like an a$$.
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Oct 23, 2009, 04:19 PM
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Judge Carter is a Clintonista . Do you really think he is going to precide over this charade ?
The conspiracy deepens...
Carter hired Siddharth Velamoor to serve as one of his clerks this month .Velamoor worked at Perkins Coie, LLP's ,a firm where Robert F. Bauer, one of Obama's top lawyers is a partner(he's also huband of Anita Dung, the Maoist White House Communication's Director)
Because of this ;Judge Carter will either be recused ,or will step down from the case. Either way the case is going no where.
Now let's get back to real issues .
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Oct 24, 2009, 04:55 AM
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 Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Good luck Gal!
**** edit, I would hope the waste of space was merely a error
Thank you, NK.
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Oct 24, 2009, 04:58 AM
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 Originally Posted by tomder55
Now let's get back to real issues .
Yes please, can we end the birther movement? It's irrelevant and only gives ammunition to the left.
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Oct 24, 2009, 10:28 AM
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My only opinion on this subject...
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Oct 24, 2009, 11:04 AM
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Hello twink:
Obama hid it under your bed tucked inside Sean Connery's underwear.
Ex
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Oct 24, 2009, 11:15 AM
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Maybe it was in those pile of documents Sandy Berger stuffed in his trousers .
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Oct 24, 2009, 02:39 PM
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 Originally Posted by excon
Hello twink:
Obama hid it under your bed tucked inside Sean Connery's underwear.
ex
Oh, Exie, you peeked! No fair.
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Oct 24, 2009, 02:49 PM
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Actually, I think the quest for Obama's birth certificate and the impeachment effort will have the same result; nothing.
Having said that, I would like to see all this brought out into the open so that we can all hear what evidence each side has to offer.
There's been a ton of money spent already over the birth certificate issue, and I still have to wonder why the opposition to submitting the various records in question.
As far as providing ammunition to the left, it looks like ANY opposition to Obama will be used as ammo by crew Obama.
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Oct 25, 2009, 02:23 AM
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Having said that, I would like to see all this brought out into the open so that we can all hear what evidence each side has to offer.
It never ends . There is no evidence to the Truthers claim either but still they plow on.
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Oct 25, 2009, 06:08 AM
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 Originally Posted by galveston
Having said that, I would like to see all this brought out into the open so that we can all hear what evidence each side has to offer.
Hello gal:
One side offers his birth certificate, and the other side doesn't believe it... There ain't nothing more than that.
Do YOU believe it?
excon
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Oct 25, 2009, 02:54 PM
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 Originally Posted by excon
Hello gal:
One side offers his birth certificate, and the other side doesn't believe it... There ain't nothing more than that.
Do YOU believe it??
excon
I'm not in a position to know.
Reason tells me that no one would waste time and money pursuing something that has already been presented.
What am I missing in this?
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Oct 25, 2009, 03:32 PM
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Have you heard that Glen Beck raped and murdered a girl in 1990? I'm not saying he did it, I'm just asking questions. Plus he has not denied it or provided the paperwork to exonerate himself. All we want is proof. What is he trying to hide? The MSM seems to be covering up the story of Glenn Beck allegedly raping and murdering a girl in 1990.
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Oct 25, 2009, 03:44 PM
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 Originally Posted by galveston
Reason tells me that no one would waste time and money persuing something that has already been presented.
What am I missing in this?
Hello again, gal:
That the birthers are unreasonable??
excon
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Oct 26, 2009, 08:07 AM
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This is one of the few areas where excon and I are in agreement.
The Obama people have put forth Obama's birth cert. The birthers simply refuse to accept it.
As excon points out, when one refuses to accept the empirical evidence, that is an unreasonable position.
I just wish excon would take his own advice more often.
Bottom line: there are plenty of GOOD reasons to dislike Obama. We don't need made up ones.
Elliot
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Oct 26, 2009, 09:05 AM
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 Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Have you heard that Glen Beck raped and murdered a girl in 1990? I'm not saying he did it, I'm just asking questions. plus he has not denied it or provided the paperwork to exonerate himself. All we want is proof. What is he trying to hide? The MSM seems to be covering up the story of Glenn Beck allegedly raping and murdering a girl in 1990.
I read about this too. What does he have to hide. Just come out and prove he didn't do this. Unless he did do it. Maybe that is why he can't deny it.
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