Hello again, Need:

I know you live in Canada, but they speak the same English up there don't they? Maybe a few courses in the language might help you. Interestingly, there are some words that don't mean the same thing as other words...

Advocating her demise is one thing. Carrying it out is another.

excon

Hello again excon,

I apoligize for using words that are confusing to you. As I understand it you're OK if she kills herself, you just don't want your hands dirty. Gotcha. Keep egging her on, she just might do it.

Hello again, Need:

There is hope after all for our Northern neighbors.

excon

Allheart,

In my own way that is what I was trying to say. NO EXCUSES, the thing is when this poster got it from a lot of different people here. He came up with a list like 10 high of all the excuses for his behaviour but there is NO EXCUSE at all.

He does need help. Prison time. FACING UP TO IT. He does need phyciatric care and counseling. Very important here.

Val - I agree, AA is very important. He could do that while he is in prison or after he comes out. Or maybe the only option for him to be allowed realeased from prison is on condition he does go to AA and getting his liceance suspended for many many years.

excon - My wife agrees with your answer. It is better for him to kill himself then to kill other people.

ALLHEART - I also agree that God has a purpose for every single person. We all learn from each other. We all have our own experiances to go through. I hope you find God because he love you no matter how many mistakes you make. Every single life is important even yours, even with all the mistakes.

NeedKarma - I agree, that that statement from excon was harsh and we should not encourage somebody to take their own life. At the same time agree with the point that if he is going to kill or hurt anybody it is better for him not to do it to anybody else.

Joe

I am going to apologize for going off on such a tangent earlier, but this thread hurt me to the core and brought back some emotions I have not felt for 20+ years.

You see, I had some very close family members that were killed by a repeat DUI offender, such as yourself.

The man who was drunk had gotten in a fight with his wife earlier that day. He went to a bar to wallow in self pity. He stayed most of the day and
Into the night. My aunt, uncle, and cousin were on their way home from a Pittsburg Steelers fooball game when this man decided it was time to leave the bar.

The hardest thing my father every had to do was to go to the hospital to identify his sister, brother-in-law and nephew. My father was an alcoholic and drank, but never drove (he drank at home), until that night. He has never touched another drink again.

The man who caused the accident was treated and released from that hospital that night 20+ years ago. He was given a slap on the wrist and sent back out into society.

When I read this post the fear of that night, the agony of the funeral of my family, and the anger I had toward that man came rushing back. I havent' thought of those 3 for quite a long time... until yesterday.

So, I hope now that you understand my ranting. You need to get some help before you are that man who was in the bar that night 20+ years ago.

I am glad to hear of this update. Just an FYI though if you scrol down and post your updates in the Quick Answer box more people are likely to see it.;)

Some of us were harsh, but sometimes it is that wake up call that some people need to see and hear to realize that they have a problem. It works well for some, and others not so well. But as you saw, this post hit home with me, flooded me with memories I had hoped were long gone.

I hope you get help for your problem. I hope that you are one that did take this as a wake up that help is needed. Understand it won't be easy, but it can be done. You are worth so much more that what you have been going through. Please don't hurt yourself or anyone else anymore. Get the help you so rightly deserve.

Thanks J_9 I think after I read all your comments and everyone else, it really made me thinking! I had found a few alcohol sites online and signed up for info, I called a few AA programs around here, and I got a few application to sign up for counseling! Thank you all very much to make me see and realalized a lot of things!

Bless you sweetheart! Ya know, you should be darn proud of yourself. You just made my day and believe me, it was a real crappy one, until I read your response.

Don't rob yourself of any more sunshine :). Stay strong. Your excitement and wanting better for yourself, will bring a lot of joy and inspiration to many, and more importantly to yourself.

So very happy for you!

IIheartloserrrs,

That is GREAT!! I am glad you are seeing the light. You can do this and we are behind you.

Now we all know that sometimes shock tactics do indeed work in some cases.

While my story was true, I don't want that to happen to you. As I said, you deserve so much better in life. You are still so young and have a life to look forward to.

Now, go to an AA meeting, get a sponsor, and stay sober. You can do this we are all pulling for you!! ;)

This is such wonderful news!! :D

AMEN and real nice job J_9. Real nice!

Oh, Allheart dear, all I did was tell a true story. Iiheartloserrs did the good work by herself. All we did was get the ball rolling.;)

This is one true example of how a slap of reality really can work.

And we are darn darn proud of her!! She sure did the good work and I have all the faith
In her that she will keep it up. Iiheart, I can just feel your excitement :)

I thought you were beyond hope. I'm glad to see that I was wrong, and apologize for snapping the other day.

I, and I'm sure everyone else here, wish you all the best in getting help for your problem. And we'll all be here to support you if it's needed in the future.

Good thing she didn't kill herself, huh...

We are looking for a state representative to sponsor the attached bill. We need your help in introducing this bill to every state representative.

Thank You
-M.S.

Senate Bill - -
House Bill - -
Sponsor:
Senate Committee: Judiciary
House Committee: Judiciary

Date Completed: 03-10-12

TIME FRAME PROVISION FOR DUI FELONY CONVICTION

RATIONALE
The Michigan Vehicle Code makes it a Felony when there have been two or more dui convictions in a lifetime. This bill came into law when a man in 2005 was drunk driving that resulted in a manslaughter conviction known as Heidi’s Law. Many believe this law is severely shadowed and provides no judicial relief or recourse and remedy at law when incidents are victimless, void of injured party, no passengers, no death, no property damage, and do not take into account distinguishing circumstances. The categorization that all multiple offenses should be deemed felonies as the Heidi manslaughter case would have it encompasses too broad of spectrum of law and does not properly take into account simple police stop and arrests or simply sitting in a parked vehicle. These non-violent felony convictions are unacceptable and cannot be our forefathers promise for protection of rights that unequivocally walk a blatant fine line between constitutional infringements based on the vehicle code lacking the prerequisite element of common law that requires at least some form of injured party or property damage prior to eternally removing protected rights from her citizenry.

257.625 Operating motor vehicle while intoxicated; operating motor vehicle when visibly impaired; penalties for causing death or serious impairment of a body function; operation of motor vehicle by person less than 21 years of age; requirements; controlled substances; costs; enhanced sentence; guilty plea or nolo contendere; establishment of prior conviction; special verdict; public record; burden of proving religious service or ceremony; ignition interlock device; “prior conviction” defined.

(ii) If the violation occurs within 7 years of a prior conviction or after 2 or more prior convictions, regardless of the number of years that have elapsed since any prior conviction, a person who violates this subdivision is guilty of a felony and shall be sentenced to pay a fine of not less than $500.00 or more than $5,000.00 and to either of the following:

CONTENT Senate Bill XXX and House Bill XXX would amend the Michigan Vehicle Code to do all of the following:

 Adopt a 10-year “Time Frame Provision” for the reinstatement of rights for two or more convictions when offenses did not involve injured party, death, property damage or have more than one occupant in vehicle.


Proposed Bill would include subsection (iii) below:

 (iii) In the judgment of sentence under subdivision (ii) if the person’s conviction occurred without injured party, death, property damage or having more than one occupant in vehicle, a restoration of rights after a 10-year period may be provided.

Senate Bill 1241 (S-1)
Under the Vehicle Code, the Secretary of State may destroy certain records after maintaining them for a specified number of years. Records of convictions for certain violations, for which points are provided on a driver's record, may be destroyed after being maintained on file for 10 years. These include various drunk driving and other offenses.

The Michigan vehicle code felony charge is eternal that has no secretary of state, or legislative act to destroy records, and is maintained for the life of the individual on both state and federal levels and is controlled under federal nexus of Title 18 922.

Supporting Argument 1 Michigan vehicle code dui laws are improperly enacted against peaceable citizens when the offense is victimless, void of injured party, no property damage, no death, and void of vehicular passengers. Many times these convictions are based on simple police stop and arrests or from simply sitting in a parked vehicle. The vehicle code and federal law impose eternal felony convictions that do not have a fair and reasonable “Time Frame Provision” for the restoration of the most basic, fundamental, and natural right of the people, to keep and bear arms, and since the U.S. Constitution along with the Bill of Rights have declared the second amendment as a natural fundamental right, this most valuable and sacred right must have a fair and reasonable “Time Frame Provision” for the restoration of the second most important right.

Supporting Argument 2 This inappropriate law subsequently transforms the peaceable and non-violent citizen into a new lower socio economic class felon, whom are often forbidden from entering other countries, acquiring quality employment, attend colleges, and is essentially a death sentence to parents outlawed from ever owning or possessing a firearm for the protection of their families that is based 100% on a law that does not mandate at least some form of injured party prior to debarring rights.

Supporting Argument 3
Samuel Adams called for an amendment banning any law “to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms. Thomas Jefferson said “No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
The current vehicle code felony laws for two or more offenses are often based on what could have happened rather than what actually did happen.
States generally do not convict a murder, arsonist or the rapist for carrying a gun, match or evil mind. The long-established rule of definition in English history for the second amendment right of the people to keep and bear arms must stand firm and paramount, auxiliary only to the natural and legally defensible right to life, and must carry the same defensible right when two or more of the convictions are victimless, void of injured party, comprise no passengers, no death, and have no property damage.

Supporting Argument 4
Michigan vehicle code has a “Time Frame Provision” for reinstating the vehicle operators “PRIVILEGE” to operate a motor vehicle on public roads after two or more convictions, and DO NOT have a “Time Frame Provision” for the restoration of gun “RIGHTS” for this very same offense.

Supporting Argument 5
Abstract: What then would prevent Michigan vehicle code from issuing felony convictions for having 20 or more traffic violations in a lifetime, or having two or more convictions for texting while driving? Is texting while driving not a greater risk factor while still being victimless, void of injured party, no passengers, no death, no property damage, and do not take into account specific circumstances.

National Highway Traffic Safety Administration Records (NHTSA) indicate there are three (3) times more vehicular accidents caused from cell phone texting than from drinking & driving. Would it be logical to seek the removal of gun rights from people with two or more convictions for texting while driving since the vehicular accident and death rate is three times greater? This bill has the full merit of legislative wisdom that we must adopt a 10-year time frame provision for the restoration of gun rights in cases involving two or more offenses that are void of injured party, having no property damage, no death, and do not have more than one occupant within drivers vehicle.

THIS BILL DOES NOT SEEK A LOGICAL TIME FRAME PROVISION FOR TWO OR MORE CONVICTIONS INVOLVING INJURED PARTY, VICTIM, DEATH, OR VEHICLE WITH SECONDARY OCCUPANT.