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    Oct 1, 2007, 06:38 AM
    Are Jesus and God the same?
    I have learned that Jesus is God's son but I have also seen where people talk about God and Jesus as if they were the same person. Does it depend on the religion?
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    Oct 1, 2007, 06:42 AM
    This have been discussed here: https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/christ...god-22727.html
    And here: https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/christ...god-12885.html
    And here: https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/christ...her-35984.html
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    Oct 1, 2007, 06:50 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Priv
    I have learned that Jesus is God's son but I have also seen where people talk about God and Jesus as if they were the same person. Does it depend on the religion?
    John 1:1-4
    1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
    NKJV
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    Oct 1, 2007, 07:05 AM
    I think that depends on the religion.
    Some religion say that God doesn't have a son or any partner and he is all alone and ONE. And say that Jesus (peace be upon him) is his prophet and messenger only and nothing else. Muslims say this
    Chirstians say that he is God's son
    And Jews... what do they say ? I forgot?
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    Oct 1, 2007, 11:34 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by mix786
    i think that depends on the religion.
    some religion say that God doesn't have a son or any partner and he is all alone and ONE. and say that Jesus (peace be upon him) is his prophet and messenger only and nothing else. Muslims say this
    Chirstians say that he is God's son
    and Jews .....what do they say ? i forgot?
    Why don't we look at what God said:

    Proverb 30:4
    Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? Who hath gathered the wind in his fists? Who hath bound the waters in a garment? Who hath established all the ends of the earth? What [is] his name, and what [is] his son's name, if thou canst tell?
    KJV

    And what did Jesus Himself say?

    John 10:34
    Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
    KJV
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    Oct 1, 2007, 01:02 PM
    I have nothing more to say on this...
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    Oct 1, 2007, 02:34 PM
    Did Jesus obtain the same status as God when he died? When a person prays to God is he also praying to Jesus and vice versa. Or is it like the Catholics where there is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit? Also TJ3, I am a little confused about your answer.
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    Oct 1, 2007, 04:46 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Priv
    Did Jesus obtain the same status as God when he died? When a person prays to God is he also praying to Jesus and vice versa. Or is it like the Catholics where there is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit? Also TJ3, I am a little confused about your answer.
    Jesus was God was eternity to eternity.

    Mic 5:2

    2 "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
    Though you are little among the thousands of Judah,
    Yet out of you shall come forth to Me
    The One to be Ruler in Israel,
    Whose goings forth are from of old,
    From everlasting."
    NKJV

    And shared God the father's glory in eternity past.

    John 17:4-5
    5 And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
    NKJV

    And Jesus is part of the trinity. There is a great deal in scripture about the trinity, three persons, one God, all equal. When Jesus came to earth as a man:

    1 Tim 3:15-16
    16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
    God was manifested in the flesh,
    Justified in the Spirit,
    Seen by angels,
    Preached among the Gentiles,
    Believed on in the world,
    Received up in glory.
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    He humbled Himself to be a perfect obedient man:

    Phil 2:5-7

    5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.
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    Men are required to be obedient to God, and as such must worship and pray to Him. When Jesus came to earth as a man, to avoid sinning and to be qualified to be our sacrifice on the cross, He had to be perfect, He had to be obedient as a man.

    When he died on the cross and was resurrection, He was once again exalted to His rightful place:

    Phil 2:9-11
    9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
    NKJV
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    Oct 1, 2007, 05:20 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Priv
    I have learned that Jesus is God's son but I have also seen where people talk about God and Jesus as if they were the same person. Does it depend on the religion?
    In Christianity, Christ is viewed in different ways. Some will say Jesus is God. Some will say Jesus is not God. Are you asking for a particular denominations view?
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    Oct 1, 2007, 05:22 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Priv
    Did Jesus obtain the same status as God when he died? When a person prays to God is he also praying to Jesus and vice versa. Or is it like the Catholics where there is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit? Also TJ3, I am a little confused about your answer.
    Catholics have the Trinitarian view of God. One God in three persons. The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit, all being of the one and same substance. With that understanding, one can pray to The Father as God, Jesus as God, and The Holy Spirit as God.
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    Oct 1, 2007, 05:44 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Wangdoodle
    In Christianity, Christ is viewed in different ways. Some will say Jesus is God. Some will say Jesus is not God. Are you asking for a particular denominations view?
    Though there may be some movements that call themselves Christians who deny the deity of Jesus, they are not Christian, and cannot be because they deny not just what the Bible says about Jesus, but more specifically they also deny what Jesus said about Himself.

    Within Christianity, Jesus is accepted as God.
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    Oct 1, 2007, 07:29 PM
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    Oct 2, 2007, 12:19 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Tj3
    John 1:1-4
    1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
    NKJV
    Don't forget John 1:14 which identifies who the word is. "And the word (which was with God & was God) became flesh, and dwelled among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten (son, cf. John 3:16) of the Father, full of grace and truth".Verses 1 & 2 only state that the word was with God & was God, but it is verse 14 that identifies the word which was God as Jesus.
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    Oct 2, 2007, 06:31 AM
    Hello Wangdoodle I was not asking about a certain denomination. Your second answer makes sense Thank You. I am taking a world religion class and the more I learn the more I questions I have. In one of our assignments we were asked if we think the Christian religion have become diluted because of all the denominations. Does anyone have an opinion on this. I think they have because I think of it as Buddha who did not like the answers to the questions he had so he made his own religious practices. Well with the Christian faith it is like when someone does not like the answer they were given by their church so they made a new one. Please correct me if I am wrong on this. Thanks
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    Oct 2, 2007, 06:36 AM
    Lady,
    I don't believe there is one christianity thread on this site where everone agrees.
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    Oct 2, 2007, 06:37 AM
    Some christian religions believe that god jesus and the holy ghost are the same person however my religion believes that they are three separate people :D
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    Oct 2, 2007, 06:49 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by deist
    Don't forget John 1:14 which identifies who the word is. "And the word (which was with God & was God) became flesh, and dwelled among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten (son, cf. John 3:16) of the Father, full of grace and truth".Verses 1 & 2 only state that the word was with God & was God, but it is verse 14 that identifies the word which was God as Jesus.
    Indeed. If we go back to the OT, we find many cases in which God spoke to men as The Word (dabar in Hebrew) of the Lord, and in John 1, John was making a link between these appearances of God, and Jesus' coming, telling the people in effect - "you remember when God spoke to us in the past - that was the same person of the trinity as you saw walking amongst us here in the flesh".
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    Oct 2, 2007, 07:14 AM
    I will advice you to stick with what you know, because some people don't even know
    About god they just say what they don't know. Jesus is the son of god they are not equal, but related. God sent Jesus to earth to save us from our sins, and where I also came from they say something completely different from whom Jesus is and they try to compare Islamic religion to Christianity. So we all have different point of views.
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    Oct 2, 2007, 07:45 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by mix786
    i think that depends on the religion.
    some religion say that God doesn't have a son or any partner and he is all alone and ONE. and say that Jesus (peace be upon him) is his prophet and messenger only and nothing else. Muslims say this
    Chirstians say that he is God's son
    and Jews .....what do they say ? i forgot?
    People have different point of views.
    Sooner or later the truth about what is what and who is who will come out very soon
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    Oct 2, 2007, 07:46 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by mix786
    sooner or later the truth about what is what and who is who will come out very soon
    How soon, and what will happen?

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