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    Sep 16, 2008, 10:42 PM
    forgivenes of sins
    It says in the bible that God forgives all sins, but dose God forgive the sin of laying with a man as you would a women(homosexuality)
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    Sep 16, 2008, 10:50 PM
    Yes. He also forgives a man's lying with a woman who is not his wife, and a woman's lying with a man who is not her husband.
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    Sep 17, 2008, 02:35 PM
    Yes, that's what jesus died for, our atonement to god. However, if there's no repentance from sin, or no trying at all, the holy spirit is not in that person, and purification cannot take place.
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    Sep 17, 2008, 04:23 PM
    What is sometimes overlooked is that we are told to repent of the sin so that it CAN BE forgiven. If a person persists, willfully in any sin, they will eventually be unable to turn to God and be forgiven.

    It doesn't make any difference what sin it is.

    When the "sin against the Holy Spirit" is spoken of, people CAN'T repent because they no longer have anything to do with God... unless they are converted again, which is unlikely after rejecting the one Who gives them power to repent.
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    Sep 21, 2008, 04:18 AM

    Hello , forgive us are sins.
    To have patients to develop the understnding that we are all different -- it is important to learn and understand our own spirit to come into peace with our soul - we are all one with GOD
    To be true with our imperfect spirit is a restful soul forever with GOD
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    Sep 21, 2008, 08:08 AM

    In my option
    The soul can learn from the our spirit
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    Sep 21, 2008, 08:57 AM

    Again in my option
    To ask for forgivness is to understand that you have learned and that you are a better person
    As for working on Sunday what ever it is I am sure God understands that the world we now live in has changed and yes we are forgiven
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    Sep 21, 2008, 09:15 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by vexation View Post
    again in my option
    to ask for forgivness is to understand that you have learned and that you are a better person
    as for working on sunday what ever it is i am sure God understands that the world we now live in has changed and yes we are forgiven
    Agree to both!
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    Sep 29, 2008, 07:29 AM

    The Bible states that homosexuals can be saved.
    1 Corinthians 6:9-11
    9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

    Like all other sinners, homosexuals must repent of their sins.
    Luke 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

    Jesus has the power to free homosexuals from their sinful lifestyles.
    John 8:34-36 34Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. 35And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. 36If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

    When sharing the gospel with homosexuals, I point out that Jesus implied that it is easier and more natural for a homosexual to repent and turn to the Lord than it is for a self righteous religious person.

    Matthew 11:23-24 23And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. 24But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.
    Ezekiel 33:12-16 12Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth. 13When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it. 14Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right; 15If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall not die. 16None of his sins that he hath committed shall be mentioned unto him: he hath done that which is lawful and right; he shall surely live.
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    Sep 29, 2008, 08:34 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by saintjoan View Post
    The Bible states that homosexuals can be saved.
    1 Corinthians 6:9-11
    9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

    Like all other sinners, homosexuals must repent of their sins.
    Luke 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

    Jesus has the power to free homosexuals from their sinful lifestyles.
    John 8:34-36 34Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. 35And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. 36If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

    When sharing the gospel with homosexuals, I point out that Jesus implied that it is easier and more natural for a homosexual to repent and turn to the Lord than it is for a self righteous religious person.

    Matthew 11:23-24 23And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. 24But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.
    Ezekiel 33:12-16 12Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth. 13When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it. 14Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right; 15If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall not die. 16None of his sins that he hath committed shall be mentioned unto him: he hath done that which is lawful and right; he shall surely live.

    What are you trying to prove? Any sinner that SINCERELY repents from his/her sins CAN BE SAVED! This applies to homosexuals as to murderers. Which does not entail that we can be murder our enemies because later on we shall be saved by simply repenting.
    Repentance, to be taken into consideration, has to be SINCERE AND TRUTHFUL.
    And when I do SOMETHING WRONG by planning ahead MY eventual repentance, I am probably forgetting I can deceive the Grand Jury,but I CANNOT DECEIVE GOD.
    So, the safer thing of them all is to avoid sinning, to start with.
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    Sep 29, 2008, 09:19 AM

    There is really no list of what sin is worst than another, in fact we are told that in fact to merely think the sin is wrong. So while some are on a list of what we call the 10 commandments all of the sins are still sins.

    And it is true we can be redeemed and we can be forgiven for all of them. But we have to do something first, we have to repent and ask for forgiveness. So we are suppose to stop or at least try and stop doing the sin, we are to admit it is a sin, and ask God to forgive us.

    Thus the real issue, most people I know doing a lot of sins, are not sorry, they don't stop and they are not repenting
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    Sep 30, 2008, 08:05 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck View Post
    There is really no list of what sin is worst than another, in fact we are told that in fact to merely think the sin is wrong. So while some are on a list of what we call the 10 commandments all of the sins are still sins.

    And it is true we can be redeemed and we can be forgiven for all of them. But we have to do something first, we have to repent and ask for forgiveness. So we are suppose to stop or at least try and stop doing the sin, we are to admit it is a sin, and ask God to forgive us.

    Thus the real issue, most people I know doing alot of sins, are not sorry, they don't stop and they are not repenting

    Unfortunately, you are right. I would even add something else. There are a lot of people who claim they are good Christians and when they sin they pretend they know better and pretend theirs are NO sins. Too bad!
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    Sep 30, 2008, 08:48 AM

    Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
    Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured unto you.
    Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
    Mat 7:4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me cast out the mote out of thine eye; and lo, the beam is in thine own eye?
    Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

    Jhn 8:7 But when they continued asking him, he lifted himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
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    Oct 1, 2008, 07:30 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by cogs View Post
    Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
    Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured unto you.
    Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
    Mat 7:4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me cast out the mote out of thine eye; and lo, the beam is in thine own eye?
    Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

    Jhn 8:7 But when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
    Absolutely!!! And how often do we forget these simple and wise words Jesus addressed us to teach us to be more humble and less arrogants...!
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    Oct 8, 2008, 06:32 PM
    gromitt82,
    I fully agree with you.
    Peace and kindnness,
    Fred (arcura0
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    Oct 15, 2008, 06:26 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by gromitt82 View Post
    Absolutely!!! And how often do we forget these simple and wise words Jesus addressed us to teach us to be more humble and less arrogants...!
    OK.. gonna open up a CAN of worms here.. but that is what I am here for.. ha! WHO is Jesus talking to people... hello? He is talking to the Jewish people.. not the Church. If you read Pauls epistles... when paul is directly speaking to the CHURCH... he says if we won't judge ourselves we will be judged. He also says TO THE CHRISTIAN... For what have I to do to judge them also that are without ( meaning Christ)... In other words.. don't judge them then he goes on to say... do not ye judge them that are within? Oooh... in other words... those who are IN Christ. Hmm? That is a different story...

    Then he says... in 1 Corinthians 5:11... I will paraphrase it... don't keep company with anyone that CALLS himself a brother (Christian) if he is a fornicator, idolater a drunk.. or so on and so forth.. he actually says don't even EAT with one that calls himself a Christian and lives like that... ouch! Strong words for Today's Christians.We like to pass by that one quickly.

    Funny thing I heard they took a poll and years ago if you asked anyone off the street what bible verse they knew they would say... John 3:16 for god so loved the world... fast forward to today... it is JUDGE NOT... LEST YOU BE JUDGED! Interesting don't you think.

    I'm just throwing this out there... do with it what you will...
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    Oct 15, 2008, 10:18 AM
    classyT
    Are you saying that we should ignore what Jesus said to the Jews, if we are nor Jews?
    I think that Jesus speaks to everyone through Holy Scripture.
    Peace and kindness,
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    Oct 15, 2008, 10:34 AM

    Nope, I am saying put it into context... otherwise the bible is saying all kinds of things.. we shouldn't judge people outside of the church... but listen to what paul wrote to the CHURCH.. that is me and YOU.
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    Oct 15, 2008, 08:46 PM
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    Yes that is wjp he is talking to AND anyone else who is reading the bibke.
    Peace and kindness,
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    Oct 16, 2008, 05:06 AM

    Arcura,

    Are you saying we agree? Tell me it isn't so! LOL... (or do I totally misunderstand you.) I am getting a little misty eyed... really? You agree with me?

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