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    marshbog7 Posts: 31, Reputation: -5
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    Oct 19, 2006, 08:48 PM
    Chemical mixure
    Hi there. I'm not at all wise about chemistry but yesterday curiousity got the best of me I just wanted to know if what I mixed was dangerous because nothing happened when I did it. I've listed the ingredients below chlorine based bleach anion.c. methylisothiozolinone benzisothiazolinone citronellol hydrogine peroxide phenylenediamines ammonia ethanol benzakonium chloride methanol cyclohexene carboxaldehyde thank you x
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    kp2171 Posts: 5,318, Reputation: 1612
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    Oct 19, 2006, 09:04 PM
    right.

    hmmm.

    see, chlorine bleach mixed with a lot of things is stupid. Darwin would say you wade in the shallow end of the gene pool. Or maybe you are just a bored teen/twenty something. Same difference.

    since there is no compound with that lovely nomenclature you vomited out, exactly what, in laymans terms, did you mix bleach with?

    by the way... I've never inhaled chlorine gas, but I did once get bromine up my nose once. Burned like hell. I literally went to the sink and sucked water up my nose to stop the burning. It sort of worked.

    a little hint. Don't mix chemicals when you don't know the circumstances of the potential reactions. People have died from putting their mayo and ham sandwich in a fume hood with physiologically active amines and then eating it. Randomly mixing crap just to see what happens is, well, again... short bus and shallow end of the gene pool crap.

    stop it.

    go do a keg stand instead and see how many q-tips you can jam up your butt.
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    Oct 19, 2006, 09:11 PM
    I would suggest that you don't mix those chemicals again.

    It is never a good idea to play with chemicals.
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    Oct 19, 2006, 10:53 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by kp2171
    darwin would say you wade in the shallow end of the gene pool.
    I think George Carlin said it best: "The kid who swallows the most marbles doesn't grow up to reproduce." To paraphrase David Crosby on Britney Spears, this situation exhibits "all the depth of a bird bath!" :rolleyes:

    In all seriousness, I hope you're not serious. If you are, you're extremely lucky to be alive. Deadly chlorine gas is an inevitable byproduct of chlorine bleach and ammonia. Who knows what could happen when you add peroxide and alcohols to such things. Perhaps even a remote possibility of combustion.

    Not all chemical dangers can be easily seen, smelled or tasted. It's possible not to realize your error until it's too late. Please play it safe in the future. :)
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    Oct 19, 2006, 11:07 PM
    Well, in all fairness... we would need to know the products you mixed together in order to give you an accurate answer to your question.
    In precise measurements, these chemicals can make a wide range of products that could be potentially dangerous if mixed together, or perfectly safe...
    The chemicals you listed have the ability, when carefully formulated in labs, to exchange ions, change bonds and so on, and so on, making it safe.
    Products that have these ingredients in them could be perfume, soap, lip stick, toothpaste, baby lotion, hair color etc. other products with the same ingredients in a different formulation could be harsh cleaners, fuel, pesticides, fungicides, weed killers, paint strippers etc.
    There are 2 chemicals you listed that can be purchased easily in their raw form, that when mixed, are extremely dangerous if inhaled as they give off deadly toxic gasses; however, if mixed with a different substance you listed, change structure and become neutral.
    I'm reluctant to say more as I'm concerned about your reasoning for this type of experiment... Sorry.
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    marshbog7 Posts: 31, Reputation: -5
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    Oct 20, 2006, 05:58 AM
    There's no need to insult my intelligence okay curiousity always gets the best of me and I was simply asking for your advice on this subject.

    Two different types of bleaching products
    Hair dye
    And zoflorax ( but this is an English cleaning product)
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    kp2171 Posts: 5,318, Reputation: 1612
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    Oct 20, 2006, 07:06 AM
    Well the advice is don't do it.

    People walk around with dangerous chemicals that they think are harmless because they can buy it in a store. Wrong. There are solvents sold in hardware stores that anybody can buy... chemicals that I refused to let my students work with... and they were better trained than the average person on safety. You are mixing these with apparently the intent of causing some event and anticipating something maybe dangerous. Pardon us if the tough love bruised your ego. Its stupid. It's that simple.

    I had a neighbor who simply was exploring his curiosity as a teen. A little thing with fire and paint. He ended up burning down the garage and needed years of plastic surgery.

    Every now and then someone dies after sucking in helium from balloons. Dumb curiosity.

    It'll be no consolation to your family or friends if you hurt yourself or others because "curiosity got the best of you".
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    Oct 20, 2006, 08:59 AM
    Well then instead of the calculated meaningless paragraphs on how stupid my actions were you should have just said . Yes it is dangerous and don't try it again. Some of the info you supplied was helpful though . Oh and by the way what happens when you pour the mixture down someone's drain?
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    Oct 20, 2006, 01:05 PM
    I'm absolutely comfortable using harsh words when people screw around with chemicals they don't understand. Read the flippin warning label. It's there for a reason. Bleach products have specific instructions on how to use them and what not to mix them with.

    Now, when I first read your question I assumed your curiosity was of your wanting something to happen... that's how it read to me... perhaps that was a mistaken interpretation?. just last month a college kid was asking here how to treat frostbite because he gave in to curiosity and froze a part of his body using ice and a chemical in every kitchen. This guy was going to use it on a drunk friend as a gag. Moron.

    I knew I guy in advanced organic synthetic chemistry who wanted to make explosives for his senior project. Moron. If he had half a mind he couldve done it and done a lot of damage, mostly to himself.

    So, maybe in retrospect you were not intending to do this, and you were just worried. Perhaps that was my mistake. Upon another reading maybe you were just asking if what you had done was bad in hindsight. If that's the case, its my bad response. It comes from knowing the absolute tragedy that can happen when people mix chemicals they don't understand. And knowing enough people who would intentionally do something dumb just to see the result.

    I know of two common or easily accessed chemicals that could do a lot of harm when mixed and treated in a certain manner. In your case, the chemicals down a drain with water isn't probably going to do a whole lot... though that doesn't always work either with some chemicals. A wing of a lab (at a school with a fantastic science dept) was burned down because of a chemical carelessly thrown down the sink.

    In the end, you can plead ignorance and blame it on curiosity all you want. That doesn't mean a damn thing when you kill someone else because you mixed the wrong chemicals together.

    So read the labels... especially with cleaning products. They often have bleach or caustics or corrosives. Dangerous when not used correctly.

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