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    erlobenauer Posts: 208, Reputation: 9
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    #681

    Oct 27, 2007, 12:53 AM
    Yes she is, I agree there!

    I sent another p.m. - its kind of long, sorry!
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    #682

    Oct 27, 2007, 01:01 AM
    I'm reading your message, now. Just wanted to let you know.
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    #683

    Oct 27, 2007, 01:02 AM
    OK... sorry, I don't mean to fill you with my life story, haha!
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    #684

    Oct 27, 2007, 01:10 AM
    It's perfectly okay. You have some real "heavys" going on for you right now. I really do care! I don't think that it's any accident as to why certain people come together at whatever time. The people on this thread. The fact that I have never before been involved in a site where you are communicating so rapidly with other people. And now, poof! New relationships, and incredible amount of sharing going on about personal, career and not to forget the similarities in what we do, feel and share in the arts of whatever kind. Nothing fake or hiding behind a moniker in a chat room of some kind that is poorly monitored, especially on this thread. I would never use a chat room, by-the-way. Might be the thing to do for some, but not me.
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    #685

    Oct 27, 2007, 01:13 AM
    Oh yes, I aboslutely agree. I'm so so thankful I found this website. I've been on just about everyday since. If Im not posting on this thread, Im usually just looking at a few questions and answering, then going to take care of some things around the house!

    Lately this website is what's keeping me sane, LOL
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    #686

    Oct 27, 2007, 01:40 AM
    I'm trying to catch up. Mailbox is almost full. Am saving things and emptying it. You know whom I am talking about in terms of sharing things with. Perhaps asking those people directly would be a good thing. I know that they wouldn't mind. You know the old saying? "Birds of a feather, flock together." That's exactly how we are on this thread.

    I present that as another option for you.

    If things are going to get out of hand because you seek help where you are at, then you know that you have another option available to you that wouldn't cause a stir at all within in your organization.
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    #687

    Oct 27, 2007, 01:42 AM
    You are looking for options and a way to help figure things out. The cards are already laid out for you here. It's not a gamble at all. You know that.
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    #688

    Oct 27, 2007, 01:48 AM
    Yeah, I guess so. I just ahh... I'm really confused. I don't want things to be like this for the rest of my life. Wondering, worrying, it shouldn't be that way,
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    #689

    Oct 27, 2007, 02:08 AM
    Sean,
    Your work as always is so much deeper than what it seems.

    Thanks Craig for Jan's link.
    Her work is so amazing,especially her details in pencil.

    Hi all,
    I am just updating on the happening of this thread.
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    #690

    Oct 27, 2007, 02:08 AM
    Originally posted by erlobenauer
    Yeah, I guess so. I just ahh... I'm really confused. I don't want things to be like this for the rest of my life. Wondering, worrying, it shouldn't be that way,
    Things won't be this way for the rest of your life. You don't have to have things be for you like the way that they are now. You don't have to have the wonders and worries that you have.

    You have choices to make. One of those choices is to maybe give some tough love to someone. You are an extremely kind person who is in an extremely tough situation. Certain people know that about your kindness who will try to take advantage of you. You need to stand up for whom and what you love. One of those people is you, and what you do in your life. It's okay to be that way, especially at this point in the juncture. If something in your life is going to last to your satisfaction and also someone else's satisfaction, then you have to take action to make it last. No more guessing. Questions and answers straight up and from the hip!

    You can keep on wishing and hoping that things will be this way or that. But, the fact is, that we all need to deal with the reality of situations and deal with them accordingly.

    I can remember years ago, my mother telling me about her mom and my grandfather whom I never met. He died sometime in the 1940's. My grandfather had a drinking problem. My grandmother told him that it was either he quit the drinking or he would be out the door. (Something like that, anyway.) He quit the drinking.

    You see Erica, I am very much like you and that I want to be as correct and as nice as possible, almost to a flaw. We are almost literal perfectionists with our attitudes. There comes the time to step out of the box that we make for ourselves and others try to put us in, and learn another way of dealing with things.

    It's okay to do that.
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    #691

    Oct 27, 2007, 02:18 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by firmbeliever
    Sean,
    your work as always is so much deeper than what it seems.

    Thanks Craig for Jan's link.
    Her work is so amazing,especially her details in pencil.

    Hi all,
    I am just updating on the happening of this thread.
    Hi, firm!

    "Your work as always is so much deeper than what it seems." Amen to that!

    Yes, Jan really does some great stuff. Really nice, organized website. I have to put together a website for the concert band with whom I play. I can only hope that I do half as good of a job as Jan has done with hers.

    Putting together websites is an art also!

    It does take time to catch up on things on this thread! I'm glad that we do try to do that here! I still have some catching up on comments that were made towards me a couple of days ago!

    It really is a very enjoyable thread to read! It even has pictures! A good book to read! :)
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    #692

    Oct 27, 2007, 02:22 AM
    A good book indeed.;)

    Hey Erica...
    I hope you are feeling a bit on the better side.
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    #693

    Oct 27, 2007, 04:08 AM
    That website is so cool, such great skill at drawing its amazing!
    Aaawww erica please cheer up :)
    You deserve a good happy life
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    #694

    Oct 27, 2007, 04:11 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by cal823
    that website is so kewl, such great skill at drawing its amazing!
    aaawww erica please cheer up :)
    you deserve a good happy life
    Yes, she does Sean. Just as you do. Just as we all do.

    What time is it where you are at, please?
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    #695

    Oct 27, 2007, 04:12 AM
    Its 7 10 pm over here
    What about you?
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    #696

    Oct 27, 2007, 04:15 AM
    6:13 a.m. here! Hard to believe! I always thought that you were just "down under" as the saying goes. But, I guess maybe you are really down under and over!
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    #697

    Oct 27, 2007, 04:18 AM
    Lolz
    Anyway, speaking of time differences
    I noticed that my I-pod has all these times of places in it
    So seeing as how my girlfriend lives in Nevada
    And some of you are americans I think
    What's the city in Nevada? :)
    Can't wait to see more art :)
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    #698

    Oct 27, 2007, 04:22 AM
    Yes, most of the people who have been participating on this thread are Americans. What is the city in Nevada to which you are referring? Los Vegas, maybe?
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    #699

    Oct 27, 2007, 04:23 AM
    Ummmmm I'm not sure my iPod in the north america list of clocks just has all these weird names of towns, vegas isn't in there
    What other cities/towns in Nevada?
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    #700

    Oct 27, 2007, 04:31 AM
    Well, there's a whole slew of them. Over 300. Some notable ones might be Los Vegas, Reno, Carson City, Cold Springs, Indian Springs... Those are just some that I can think of right now.

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