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Athos
Nov 12, 2022, 07:23 PM
Nevada is in with Democrat incumbent declared winner!! That puts the all-important control of the Senate in Democrat hands. Georgia is moot. Trump reported screaming for hours at Friday's news. Now he's chewing the carpet on all-fours.

Watch Walker in Georgia now getting near nada votes since his runoff against his Democrat opponent doesn't matter anymore. Watch the Repubs bail out BIG-TIME from supporting Walker.

Next up - Civil war between Trump's MAGA and DeSantis, resulting in a shoo-in for Democrats in 2024. .

jlisenbe
Nov 12, 2022, 08:43 PM
Yeah, and it only took five days to count the Nevada votes. Nothing to see there.

Wondergirl
Nov 12, 2022, 09:16 PM
Had Republican Adam Laxalt won...nothing to see there either.

jlisenbe
Nov 12, 2022, 09:57 PM
No matter who wins, the abysmal system in Nevada must be changed. Same is true of Arizona.

tomder55
Nov 13, 2022, 05:59 AM
The math for the Repubs in the Senate was never great to begin with . Still it was possible to take a narrow lead .

Chance that Manchin jumps parties ? He's pretty raw over the betrayal of his energy deal with Schmuck Schumer . If the Dems pick up Ga. the Dems will be free of any Manchin factor (God help us ) .So there is no need for him to stay in a party that hates his guts .


My big take from this election is that despite my strong opposition to mail in voting ;the Repubs need to adopt a stratergy to accept the reality .(Ballot harvesting should be outlawed . There is where the suspicions of fraud come into play)

The Dems get their voters to the polls . The Dems bank their voters early and then target their adds where they see weaknesses in the turnout . The Repubs miss that opportunity and have to guess what audience to target .
The Repubs get promises from voters to show up on election day . That is a big difference. Over the last 2 cycles and maybe more we have seen Repub leads vanish as truckloads of mysterious mail in ballots get delivered to the counters .

We were fed all this premortems by the compliant press about a red wave . I think some less than enthusiastic Repubs were lulled into complacency.

As one PA Repub leader said ;
“For whatever the reason, we’re not taking full advantage of the process,” Bretz said. “We surpassed our (mail-in) votes. We need to get over the demonization of the process.”

Another said ;“Failure to use the voting options available is like trying to fight a fight with one arm tied behind your back,”
Some Republican leaders say GOP needs to embrace mail-in voting | TribLIVE.com (https://triblive.com/news/pennsylvania/some-republican-leaders-say-gop-needs-to-embrace-mail-in-voting/)

We can hope all the rules change to pre-covid rules . But I think the genie is out of the bottle.

I agree with the Trump factor . Had Pa Repubs picked McCormick ;a conservative Repub instead of Dr Oz ,McCormick would be Senator elect .

tomder55
Nov 13, 2022, 07:14 AM
No matter who wins, the abysmal system in Nevada must be changed. Same is true of Arizona. delays such as we have seen almost always benefits the Dems . They call us deniers because we have very real suspicions that can't be satisfied with cliches like "cleanest election evahhhhh "

Who disabled 20-30% of the tabulators in Maricopa County? Who made sure there was a shortage of ink in 20% of their printers?
What has happened to the many thousands of provisional ballots that were dropped into unsecured boxes to be “counted later?” Who told workers to hand out sharpies again even after it is well known to not to be readable by the scanners? What happened to the cameras in Washoe County, Nevada? Why were there are repeated late night “ballot dumps”.
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Athos
Nov 13, 2022, 01:04 PM
Who disabled 20-30% of the tabulators in Maricopa County? Who made sure there was a shortage of ink in 20% of their printers?
What has happened to the many thousands of provisional ballots that were dropped into unsecured boxes to be “counted later?” Who told workers to hand out sharpies again even after it is well known to not to be readable by the scanners? What happened to the cameras in Washoe County, Nevada? Why were there are repeated late night “ballot dumps”.

Tomder, this is so funny, it would make a good skit on SNL.


We were fed all this premortems by the compliant press about a red wave

Get over it, tomder, you lost!

jlisenbe
Nov 13, 2022, 01:18 PM
Tomder, this is so funny, it would make a good skit on SNL.This is what passes now as a serious answer with liberal dems.

tomder55
Nov 14, 2022, 04:07 AM
Now the House is up for grabs . 21 House seats have not been declared with 10 up for grabs. The Dems magic vote machine has been working overtime and they are within the fraud factor margin of error .

The count now is Repubs 211 and Dems 203 . One of the contested races has both contestants Dems . 6 more will go to the Dems and the rest of the ones not really contested to the Repubs That makes the count Repub3 seats short of a majority and the Dems 6 seats short .

If it was decided now with the 10 seats in doubt .... 6 with Republicans leading, and 4 where Democrats are ahead. the Repubs would win the House .

The Dems keep those pre-filled in harvested ballots coming to the counters .

tomder55
Nov 14, 2022, 05:50 AM
Even if the Repubs take the House ,there are enough RINOs in the caucus for the Dems to get some of their agenda passed IF the wrong Speaker of the House is voted in(one that would allow Dem legislation to make it to a floor vote ) The Repub caucus will have to be unified in it's candidate or we could wind up with a Speaker who is less than desirable .

One thing is that there is no requirement for the Speaker to be an elected Rep. As an example there are some Dems that are floating the idea of ousted Rep Liz Cheney being voted in as Speaker . That is not likely but it is a good example of the mischief that could happen if the caucus is not unified behind one speaker .

jlisenbe
Nov 14, 2022, 06:05 AM
First task for (hopefully) a republican majority in the House is to investigate voting "irregularities".

If the repubs are stupid (corrupt??) enough to select LC, then they deserve to be a permanent minority.

tomder55
Nov 14, 2022, 06:12 AM
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/custom/vgo/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by tomder55 https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/custom/vgo/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/showthread.php?p=3886638#post3886638)
Who disabled 20-30% of the tabulators in Maricopa County? Who made sure there was a shortage of ink in 20% of their printers?
What has happened to the many thousands of provisional ballots that were dropped into unsecured boxes to be “counted later?” Who told workers to hand out sharpies again even after it is well known to not to be readable by the scanners? What happened to the cameras in Washoe County, Nevada? Why were there are repeated late night “ballot dumps”.



Tomder, this is so funny, it would make a good skit on SNL.

Indeed . The best comedy is rooted in the truth . The problems disproportionately affect Repub voters because of their reliance on election day turn out.

Why is it that Floriday ;a state with 3 x the population of AZ took hours to count while AZ took days ? When Florida elections were the nation's laughing stock the state made the moves to correct them. Arizona is content it appears to continue the status quo .

Why didn't Katie Hobbs who was running in a close race for Guv recuse herself from overseeing the state election or even resign ? 2018 under the same circumstances ,the Dems insisted that Brian Kemp resign in Ga. ...and he did so to end the conflict of interest .

You don't see how these issues lead to the perception that there is just a little bit of chicanery and fraud?


If the repubs are stupid (corrupt??) enough to select LC, then they deserve to be a permanent minority. The Dem members get a vote. That is why the elected Repubs need to be unified .

Athos
Nov 14, 2022, 10:16 AM
You don't see how these issues lead to the perception that there is just a little bit of chicanery and fraud?

Read my lips, tomder - YOU LOST!

tomder55
Nov 14, 2022, 10:57 AM
Read my lips the chances of a Repub loss is direct proportionate to how long it takes to count non-verified ,harvested or ballots deposited in drop boxes. Nothing to see there .

Athos
Nov 14, 2022, 11:03 AM
Read my lips the chances of a Repub loss is direct proportionate to how long it takes to count non-verified ,harvested or ballots deposited in drop boxes. Nothing to see there .

Your desperation is showing, tomder.

tomder55
Nov 14, 2022, 11:53 AM
I accept that the Repub are going to have to accomodate and accept the rigged system. Some states have tightened voter rolls ;got rid of the dead and out of state vote ...
Wisconsin is a good example of that . Others did well by introducing voter ID requirements .

All of the red states need to do that ;and Repubs in the rest of the states will have to mobilize their voters to cast ballots early instead of waiting for election day when voting machines mysteriously fail or run out of ink.

jlisenbe
Nov 14, 2022, 12:25 PM
Read my lips the chances of a Repub loss is direct proportionate to how long it takes to count non-verified ,harvested or ballots deposited in drop boxes. Nothing to see there .It will be interesting to see if anyone here can refute this. So far no one has even tried, and that probably says a lot. It certainly does seem to be true.

tomder55
Nov 14, 2022, 02:19 PM
Here is where we stand with 218 seats needed . Repubs need 6 more seats Dems need 14 . There are 19 more seats to decide, Should be a no brainer Repub majority

But wait !

Alaska at large with the rank choice BS system and 2 Repubs splitting the vote ;the Dem candidate leads but not @ 50% so ANOTHER vote will happena week from tomorrow . Not sure who the Repub candidate will be yet .

Maine 2 also has rank choice BS . Dem in lead Run off scheduled for tomorrow .

Az 1 Repub lead of less than 1,000 votes .....but it is taking time to count mail in because of signature verification process.

AZ 6 Repub has a lead less than 2,000 votes ...same bs as above

Cal 3 Repub has a commanding lead BUT only a little over half the ballots have been counted a week after the election .

Cal 6 is safe Dem and the Dem leads

Cal 13 Repub leads by less than 100 votes Considered a toss up

Cal 21 safe Dem seat

Cal 22 Repub leads by 3,000 votes

Cal 27 Repub has a commanding lead

Cal 34 safe Dem

Cal 41 Repub leads by 4,000 votes

Cal 45 lean Repub

Cal 47 Dem leads +5000 votes

Cal 49 toss up but Dem candidate leads by 13,000 votes

Colorado 3 Lauren Boebert is in a close race that should be a Repb safe seat

Col 8 Dem leads in another should be Repub seat

NY 22 lean Repub is in a close race + 4000 votes

Oregon 6 this is an ALL MAIL IN State with no election day voting . They are still accepting ballots that were post marked by election day . not surprising the Dem leads +4000 votes in this toss up race .

Too many California districts up for my liking .

But 19 seats after a week not finished their count ? This is not recount . This is not run off. This is original counting . come on !!!

jlisenbe
Nov 14, 2022, 03:00 PM
Cal 3 Repub has a commanding lead BUT only a little over half the ballots have been counted a week after the election .

Oregon 6 this is an ALL MAIL IN State with no election day voting . They are still accepting ballots that were post marked by election day . not surprising the Dem leads +4000 votes in this toss up race .

These two are just unbelievable. If we had an honest news media, it would be exposed a dozen times.

Athos
Nov 15, 2022, 02:33 AM
The voters sent Sarah Palin and Kari Lake, two strange birds, back into oblivion.

tomder55
Nov 15, 2022, 06:35 AM
Palin lost to the phony rank choice system .

She may be strange in your view but she was the most successful Guv in state history . Most of the critique of Palin comes from the elite who would not tolerate that treatment of one of their own.Even McCain was a condescending a$$hole . After his defeat he blamed the loss on her and regretted not selecting Joe Lieberman. She to this day speaks of him admiringly despite his despicable betrayal.

Words like sexist ,misogynistic would flow from their mouths if Dem woman leaders were subject to the things Palin routinely endures . Compost columnist Richard Cohen compared McCain's selection of her for Veep candidate as Caligula selecting his horse . Imagine if that was said of Evita . There were more than one suggestion in the media that she was not her daughter Trig's real mother . What male sitting Guv was subject to such ridicule by the establishment ?

The sad irony was that she got along well with the press until McCain elevated her onto the national stage. Then suddenly she was made public enemy #1 . They even tried to pin the shooting of Gabrielle Gifford on her.

They made a caricature of her that stuck . She did not want to ban books .She did not want Alaska to secede . She did not oppose contraception (she does oppose abortion) . She did not "see Russia" from her house (that was a Tina Fey line that the complaint press embraced )

They ridiculed her faith making exaggerated comments about the Pentacostal church she attends ;even though Pentecostalism is one of the most main stream branches of Christianity in America. When one speaks of woman's rights then one could not find a branch more rooted in egalitarian practices.

She ran a bipartisan government very successfully .She ran on anti-corruption and worked hard to implement it . She passed tough anti-corruption laws and her enemies used it against her making her defend her own ethics with her own money fighting one law suit after another . None of the charges stuck.She navigated the corrupt world of Alaska oil and energy politics that was stuck in the days of wild cat era . She promoted Alaskan resource development. She gave the royalties back to the people of Alaska and put the state on a trajectory to financial well being; something that eluded the state since it's 1959 statehood. When she started out as chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission the state was pretty much ruled by big oil. Resources were under developed and revenue left the state. She changed that by changing the culture at the agency and then challenging Murkowsky for Guv. He was in bed with big oil.

She negotiated with the legislature to pass a pipeline construction deal that cut big oil out .She pushed hard for Alaska’s Clear and Equitable Share (ACES)This would not have happened without bipartisan cooperation from the Dems in the state. As a result there was a budget surplus that blunted the worse effects of the Great Recession. Alaska's bonds were elevated to AAA for the 1st time. To this day the state cuts a check to every resident for oil revenue from the state , This year every resident got a $3,000 deposit .

jlisenbe
Nov 15, 2022, 06:54 AM
It was an astonishing election. I can only conclude that the American people are happy with empty shelves, high inflation, monopoly money, sky-high gas prices, record levels of illegal immigration, high levels of crime, and a president with a minimally functioning brain. The election of Fetterman was just wild.

tomder55
Nov 15, 2022, 07:23 AM
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Athos
Nov 15, 2022, 09:10 AM
She may be strange in your view but she was the most successful Guv in state history

She was woefully unprepared for national office. In fact, she even bailed out of state office before her term ended.

tomder55
Nov 15, 2022, 10:56 AM
In fact, she even bailed out of state office before her term ended. Like that has never happened before .

It is easy to find the facts .

Since the nation's founding 166 governors have resigned to seek other office or appointments .

16 resigned like il Duce Cuomo and Eliot Spitzer; and Jim Mc Greedy in NJ in disgrace .

37 resigned for personal reasons .

jlisenbe
Nov 15, 2022, 12:08 PM
Be careful with those facts, Tom. They can be confusing!!

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tomder55
Nov 15, 2022, 01:30 PM
Lake she may be strange . But what I found strange was that her opponent is in charge of running the election ,and counting votes ;and a bunch of voting machines go down on election day , and then it takes a week to count the votes ,and the votes come out in favor of the opponent hmmmm nothing strange about that !

Athos
Nov 15, 2022, 02:21 PM
37 resigned for personal reasons .

She was a good governor, but way over her head on a national stage.


Lake she may be strange . But what I found strange was that her opponent is in charge of running the election ,and counting votes ;and a bunch of voting machines go down on election day , and then it takes a week to count the votes ,and the votes come out in favor of the opponent hmmmm nothing strange about that !

Nah. Democrats are always honest and perfect. Just ask your partner in crime here. I admit Palin and Lake are good-lookers, but, hey, you can't have everything.

jlisenbe
Nov 15, 2022, 02:48 PM
She was a good governor, but way over her head on a national stage.Could very well be true. Still, many of the criticisms lodged against her were basically liberal propaganda.

tomder55
Nov 15, 2022, 04:02 PM
So the person in charge of the process, who did not recuse herself from authority over her own race, whose voting machines inexplicably malfunctioned on voting day, whose security systems went "offline" for 8 hours after election workers went home... you mean THAT person is "always honest and perfect" ?

tomder55
Nov 15, 2022, 04:09 PM
double post

jlisenbe
Nov 15, 2022, 04:16 PM
THAT person is "always honest and perfect" ?Yeah. It does sound incredible, doesn't it? I can only hope it was meant to be hyperbole.

Athos
Nov 15, 2022, 04:46 PM
So the person in charge of the process, who did not recuse herself from authority over her own race, whose voting machines inexplicably malfunctioned on voting day, whose security systems went "offline" for 8 hours after election workers went home... you mean THAT person is "always honest and perfect" ?

ESPECIALLY her!! She is well-known to be saintly and fair, humble of spirit, and stuff like that.

The malfunctioning was NOT inexplicable. It was TOTALLY explicable!

tomder55
Nov 15, 2022, 04:52 PM
Yes and predictable

Athos
Nov 15, 2022, 04:56 PM
Yes and predictable

Yes, she's also very good at predicting. Thanks for reminding me.

jlisenbe
Nov 15, 2022, 04:56 PM
Yes, and explicably successful.

tomder55
Nov 29, 2022, 06:24 AM
Alaska’s sole congressional seat, which had been in GOP hands for 49 years, was recently captured by Democrat Mary Peltola. This is what rank choice voting brings .(it also saved RINO Lisa Murkowsky's bacon .But that is another discussion)

It is an absurd system . If the state insists on having the winner receive a majority of at least 50%+ then Georgia's run off system is preferable. .

Athos
Nov 29, 2022, 06:49 AM
alaska’s sole congressional seat, which had been in gop hands for 49 years, was recently captured by democrat mary peltola.

Thanks be to god!!

jlisenbe
Nov 29, 2022, 06:51 AM
We should be thankful that the will of the people was not carried out?

tomder55
Dec 7, 2022, 01:11 PM
As I have stated previously . It is time for the Repubs to embrace the steal .

Yesterday was a bad weather day in GA ,and rural Repubs were not motivated to go to the polls . Walker got 200,000 less votes yesterday than on election day.Part of that is that Walker did not inspire them as Guv Kemp does in the state. But in interviews and texts many Repub voter has said that they know the fix is in .... so why bother ? This plays into the Dem hands.

To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill. (Sun tsu )

Democrats had a much higher turnout compared to their election day turnout .Repubs turnout was less. Democrats wanted it more in Georgia.
Why does it matter ? Because now it is not a split Senate . Dems do not have to share power with Yertle (btw suits him just fine ) Now if Sen Sinema or Manchin play hard to get they can still get Schmucky's agenda passed with Kam the Sham's tiebreaker .

It is time for the Repubs to have a reality check .All the tricks the Dems ramrodded into State rules are not going away . To win elections Repubs will have to embrace the steal and learn to play that game better than the Dems .

Athos
Dec 8, 2022, 02:00 AM
It is time for the Repubs to embrace the steal .

The Repubs INVENTED the steal! Time to stop the crooked gerrymandering by both parties.

tomder55
Dec 8, 2022, 04:46 AM
I can agree with that . The way redistricting is done is an incumbent party insurance policy . We saw in NY what happened when the gerrymandering was overruled .

I fault the Yertle led Repub Senate and the RNC for Walker's loss by less than 100,000 votes . He was left to pretty much fend for himself while the Dem machine poured in money and resources to support one of the most radical lefty candidates on this year's slate . Only Goober Graham gave Walker any lukewarm support at all. I ask Yertle and the rest of the 49 Repub Senators ;who would you rather serve in the Senate with ..... Walker or the radical Warnack ? As I've mentioned many times before ;the swamp critter statist Repubs are happy being the minority party .

It doesn't matter if I like the rigged system or not . Early voting /mail in voting /drop box/even ballot harvesting are here to stay until the Repubs put themselves in a position to change that . They will keep on having their power erode until they adapt .

jlisenbe
Dec 8, 2022, 05:34 AM
It seems rather sad to suggest that repubs must become better at being dishonest. The difficulty repubs have, I think, is that the American people have become so accustomed to the glories of deficit spending that many will not vote for anyone who opposes it. The motto now is, "more, more, more".

tomder55
Dec 8, 2022, 08:55 AM
Yes the American people share the blame . The saying is we get the government we deserve. What I am saying is based in reality . 2020 they did it in the dead of night . 2022 it was in broad daylight for all to see. 2020 the Repub base was angry . 2022 the Repub base in apathy did not show up . You think things will get better in 2 years ?
If we don't adapt and soon then steal will be codified nationally .


What Athos was refering to was SCOTUS took up a challenge to NC that on the surface is about redistricting but in reality is about if the State legislatures can keep their traditional constitutional role in national elections . SCOTUS heard oral arguments yesterday . State courts have been getting involved in the role of the legislature's power to run elections .

The pretext argument is that it is redistricting that is at issue . But a broader look at case will determine if the legislatures continue to have the power to set state election laws . Don't forget that many of the changes made to elections in 2020 were done at the state court level with covid being the excuse for the changes . Well the covid pandemic is over but the changes did not go away .

Issue: Whether a state’s judicial branch may nullify the regulations governing the “Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives ... prescribed ... by the Legislature thereof,” and replace them with regulations of the state courts’ own devising, based on vague state constitutional provisions purportedly vesting the state judiciary with power to prescribe whatever rules it deems appropriate to ensure a “fair” or “free” election.

Moore v. Harper - SCOTUSblog (https://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/moore-v-harper-2/)

jlisenbe
Dec 8, 2022, 03:28 PM
2020 they did it in the dead of night . 2022 it was in broad daylight for all to see. 2020 the Repub base was angry . 2022 the Repub base in apathy did not show up . You think things will get better in 2 years ?Good point. I don't think things will get better at all until republicans decide to start fighting this dishonesty.

jlisenbe
Dec 9, 2022, 12:01 PM
Tom, what difference will Sinema's decision make? Puts the dems back to 50. Will that make the situation similar to the past two years?

tomder55
Dec 9, 2022, 02:32 PM
She will still caucus with the Dems I believe ....so it will be status quo . It is like Bolshevik Bernie . He is not a Dem but since he caucuses and votes with them he may as well be one . The Schmukster will let her retain all her committee assignments as long as she toes the line. But she will be a burr in his saddles because she can wield more power as an independent .

The Repubs should make an all out effort to get Manchin to switch to the Repubs . Then at least there would be some power sharing .

Of course the dopy Repubs may have killed that too. They had a chance to add Manchin's energy deal that was removed from the final Inflation Reduction Act into the Defense Authorization Act . But Repubs joined enviro wackos and progressive Dems in blocking that . So good luck getting Manchin to switch.

tomder55
Dec 10, 2022, 06:17 AM
I don't think things will get better at all until republicans decide to start fighting this dishonesty.

I don't disagree . Glen Ellmers makes a similar arguement here

Hard Truths and Radical Possibilities › American Greatness (amgreatness.com) (https://amgreatness.com/2022/11/23/hard-truths-and-radical-possibilities/)


That could be putting the cart before the horse. If the Repubs do not adopt to the changed election laws they will lose every time .The laws today will be the laws in 2024 .Those will be the rules that the election will be contested under.
Early voting in one form or another is definitely here to stay
Early In-Person Voting (ncsl.org) (https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/early-voting-in-state-elections.aspx)
Many of the states do not require in person voting and some states do only mail in balloting now. Same day registration and ballot harvesting is also becoming more frequent .
To level the playing field Republicans must first convince their voters to vote and then to secure the votes . The notion that rallying the base to come out on election day was the fatal mistake in Arizona. All the Dems had to do was manufacture machine malfunctions and force a large segment of the voters to deposit their ballots into the hands of the Dems who took custody of the ballots. Many of those ballots just happened to be comingled with ballots that were already counted .The results were predictable. The lesson is clear . Secure their votes before election day.

Look to the Florida red wave to see how it is done. More than a million Floridians voted early . This is believed to be an advantage for the Dems . But Repubs local organizations did what Dems do nation wide...... voter registration drives. Repubs added more than 500,000 new Repubs since 2018 while at the same time tightening requirements . They concentrated on expanding the base in the Miami region. As you know most Hispanic families tend to run conservative in their values. Many of them fled the left's oppression in their nations of birth.

DeSantis found an issue that mainstream America agrees is a problem ; the woke culture and it's encroachment into our education system . He made that a central plank. He avoided other culture war distraction.

jlisenbe
Dec 10, 2022, 02:57 PM
The lawsuit filed yesterday in Arizona is likely a step in the right direction. Perhaps Kari Lake can gain some traction.

​https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-election/kari-lake-files-lawsuit-bid-overturn-arizona-election-rcna61094

tomder55
Dec 12, 2022, 06:01 AM
The claims she makes are substantial and compelling . But I believe the courts are reluctant to tamper with results as opposed to their willingness to act as a super legislature while changing election rules in the 11th hour .

The voting machine malfunctions were substantial .This caused a disenfranchisement for the people who voted on election day....probably more than the 17,000 difference in the results Many people gave up and didn't vote

Votes cast were placed in boxes that were comingled with ballots already counted

AZ AG Demands Answers From Maricopa County Regarding Election Day Voting Failures – Arizona Daily Independent (https://arizonadailyindependent.com/2022/11/20/az-ag-demands-answers-from-maricopa-county-regarding-election-day-voting-failures/)

The suit claims that signature verification was not done properly for mail in ballots.

The suit maintains there was inadequate chain of custody procedures for drop box ballots .

The suit charges candidate and Sec State Katie Hobbs and Maricopa official Stephen Richer of conflicts of interest . She did not recuse herself of certifying an election she was running in. She also suppressed free speech by calling for Twitter to censor and delete posts . Richer set up a never Trumper Repub pac to oppose Lake's campaign

There are probably other issues. I skimmed the 70 page complaint .

Kari-Lake-lawsuit.pdf (democracydocket.com) (https://www.democracydocket.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/Kari-Lake-lawsuit.pdf)

I have no faith in the courts when the issue is voting .

jlisenbe
Dec 12, 2022, 06:25 AM
At the very least, the vote counting was done in a sloppy and irresponsible manner which should concern everyone. Hopefully the court will at least hold some people responsible.

Athos
Dec 12, 2022, 08:58 AM
The claims she makes are substantial and compelling .

Keri Lake is a right-wing nutjob. There is NOTHING about her that is substantial and compelling. She denied losing the election BEFORE the votes were counted. She claimed on national TV she would only accept the election results if she won.

Her claims include this stupendously stupid bit of nonsense:

The FBI & CIA are trying to destroy the First Amendment, Donald Trump and the Republican party.

jlisenbe
Dec 12, 2022, 09:20 AM
Her claims include this stupendously stupid bit of nonsense:

The FBI & CIA are trying to destroy the First Amendment, Donald Trump and the Republican party.

1. As always, there is no documentation for these claims. We are supposed to believe Athos, an action that has been proven to be unwise in the past.
2. It is abundantly clear that the FBI suggested the media bury the HB laptop story. What do you make of that?

Zuckerberg tells Rogan FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62688532)

tomder55
Dec 12, 2022, 10:03 AM
I was referring only to the claims in the complaint .

But yeah when the FBI council left the FBI he implanted in Twitter and became their in house censor . Musk fired James Baker when it was proven that he was censoring Twitter releases even after he had ordered them released .

And Trump ? It is not even debatable . The FBI and the intel agencies lead or participated in 1st a dirty trick/ election steal on behalf of Evita in 2016 ;and after that an outright coup attempt to cover their involvement in the steal.

Athos
Dec 12, 2022, 10:59 AM
From Tomder
I was referring only to the claims in the complaint

Fine, but this claim refers to her nut-job mindset.

The FBI & CIA are trying to destroy the First Amendment, Donald Trump and the Republican party.


And Trump ? It is not even debatable . The FBI and the intel agencies lead or participated in 1st a dirty trick/ election steal on behalf of Evita in 2016

Not debatable? In fact, the FBI was blamed for the loss by Hillary Clinton to the con man. Remember Comey's disastrous announcement just prior to the election? The poor guy's been blamed ever since. He tried to clean it up, but was too late. "Boy scout", they called him. Some truth to that. In hindsight, if the FBI was working to steal the election for Hillary, they sure did a lousy job of it.


and after that an outright coup attempt to cover their involvement in the steal.

What "coup attempt" are you referring to?

jlisenbe
Dec 12, 2022, 11:30 AM
Remember Comey's disastrous announcement just prior to the election?You mean the one concerning a crime of which it was determined she was guilty? The one that had the AG meeting in secret for 45 minutes with Bill Clinton mere days before Comey decided that, while the evidence sure pointed towards her guilt, he had decided not to press charges? Is that the announcement you are referring to???

tomder55
Dec 12, 2022, 04:08 PM
maybe the one where Comey detailed Evita's crimes and then made the absurd argument that 'no reasonable prosecutor would charge her ' .

jlisenbe
Dec 12, 2022, 04:32 PM
'no reasonable prosecutor would charge her ' .How convenient.

Athos
Dec 12, 2022, 05:09 PM
maybe the one where Comey detailed Evita's crimes and then made the absurd argument that 'no reasonable prosecutor would charge her ' .

How was that a coup attempt?

tomder55
Dec 13, 2022, 05:38 AM
I was responding to Jl . He is also in the conversation. As to what coup attempt .... I have detailed it many times. The FBI top brass texted about an "insurance policy " in case Trump was elected . Comey Rosenstein ,Strzok Mueller ,et al. were all involved .

Former Federal prosecutor who busted the Blind Sheik for the WTC bombing :Andrew C McCarthy ;(no fan of Trump ); wrote the definitive book on the coup attempt.

'Ball of Collusion: The Plot to Rig an Election and Destroy a Presidency'

You won't read it

tomder55
Dec 14, 2022, 05:15 AM
re Sinema

23 of the 34, senators up for reelection 2024 are Dems or caucus with them . 7 from states Trump won at least once. This includes Arizona..
She made the Dem task tougher in 2 years .