View Full Version : The Psychology of "Fake-News" Advocates
Athos
Jan 15, 2022, 02:45 PM
Fascinating article from POLITICO.
The fake-news crowd is generally thought to be broadly right-wing. A study of 4,600 participants (see article for study parameters) reveals that is far too general. The study concluded that it is narrowly-focused among those who Politico refers to as “low-conscientiousness conservatives” - LCCs.
They tend to believe conspiracy theories and false news reports due to their LCC and a “desire for chaos” (see article).
They then also tend to spread these beliefs among social media. They form political attitudes to serve psychological needs. The needs are expressed in their personalities.
How to overcome the misinformation within the group is not an easy question to answer.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/01/14/we-found-the-one-group-of-americans-who-are-most-likely-to-spread-fake-news-526973
tomder55
Jan 15, 2022, 02:57 PM
We Found the One Group of Americans Who Are Most Likely to Spread Fake News
The compliant press . See Russiagate
Wondergirl
Jan 15, 2022, 03:04 PM
They tend to believe conspiracy theories and false news reports due to their LCC and a “desire for chaos” (see article).
And this is part of their everyday life, looking for conspiracies among and false news about friends and extended-family members, and also including neighbors, fellow church members, and other locals.
What is it in their psychological and sociological processes that need this, that require this?
Athos
Jan 15, 2022, 03:12 PM
The compliant press . See Russiagate
A superb example. Thank you. It is to be hoped you will be taken up on your post. Thanks again.
What is it in their psychological and sociological processes that need this, that require this?
The $64,000 question!
tomder55
Jan 15, 2022, 04:17 PM
you can believe I am a "low-conscientiousness conservatives " all you want ,I really don't care .It is just another smear label the left uses
It was the left that bought into the fake news lies about Trump colluding with Russia, Have you not been paying attention to the compliant press mea culpas for spreading lies about Russiagate ?
tomder55
Jan 16, 2022, 05:21 AM
It is only a conspiracy theory if a conservative thinks it .
When Evita said the problems Bubba was having was because of a 'vast right wing conspiracy ' it wasn't because she was a LCL (low-consciousness liberal ) .
When the Dems went bat sh+t crazy advancing the false idea that Trump colluded with Russia to steal the election from Evita despite (as was confirmed later) zero credible evidence supporting them, no “mainstream” narrator of the compliant press referred to House impeachment managers and their cheerleaders as crazy LCL conspiracy theorists.
But labeling someone a conspiracy theorist became vogue again in the liberal ranks when people concerned about the integrity of the vote ;after scores of last minute changes were made to the rules following covid, began to express their concerns .
When they accuse conservatives of attempting to overthrow America by undermining elections you have to ask yourself ; Who actually changed rules and laws at the last minute to affect the outcome of the election ?
I believe in the world of psychology what we are witnessing from the left is called projection.
jlisenbe
Jan 16, 2022, 07:03 AM
It's Sunday! Time for church. Go to a worship service and participate. We'll become better for it.
Athos
Jan 16, 2022, 07:32 AM
It was the left that bought into the fake news lies about Trump colluding with Russia, Have you not been paying attention to the compliant press mea culpas for spreading lies about Russiagate ?
Yes, I have been paying close attention. Have you? Here's a sampling of your "fake news" re Russia.
The Senate Intelligence Committee which included 8 Republicans unanimously approved the conclusion that Russia conducted a sweeping and unprecedented campaign to interfere in the 2016 presidential election. Based on a three-year investigation, it found that Putin “approved and directed aspects of this influence campaign,” which “sought to denigrate then-candidate [Hillary] Clinton.” Furthermore, “Putin and the Russian Government demonstrated a preference for candidate Trump. Trump’s campaign operatives certainly tried, but in a bumbling, haphazard way. There were dozens of contacts, including the famous Trump Tower meeting that Donald Trump Jr. set up after being promised dirt on Clinton from someone he was told was representing the Russian government. Then the many issues re Trump's campaign manager Manafort ultimately leading to his conviction and imprisonment. Manafort was one of the several crooks Trump pardoned.
This is from your favorite “fake news” media – the Washington Post.
The Durham “investigation” is a joke. It's like Mike Lindell going to have trump reinstated in June … July... August ... etc., and so forth.
tomder55
Jan 16, 2022, 08:56 AM
The Durham “investigation” is a joke. more projection . You could just as easily conclude that the Mueller investigation was a joke. He knew there was no basis of the claim and still spent months trying to get Trump and associates with 'process crimes '. Manafort was nailed for past tax issues including 5 counts of false tax returns ;2 counts of bank fraud ,and a count of failure to disclose a foreign bank account.
That Putin tried to influence the election I just have to say 'duh'. That is right up there with the emperor's attempts to influence the Israeli elections . Jeremy Bird, Obama’s operative created a group called “Victory 15” (V 15) The group set up a massive social network and personal contact campaign to defeat Bibi.It was funded by a NGO called 'One Voice' which in turn received funding from the JFKerry State Dept. That is confirmed by a bi-partisan Committee.
OneVoice Report.pdf (senate.gov) (https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/OneVoice%20Report.pdf)
The Subcommittee concludes: • OneVoice Israel fully complied with the terms of its State Department grants. OneVoice designed and executed a grassroots and media campaign to promote public support for Israeli-Palestinian peace negotiations for the Department, as it said it would. Under the grant, OneVoice expanded its social media presence, built a larger voter database, and hired an American political consulting firm to train its activists and executives in grassroots organizing methods in support of the Israeli-Palestinian peace process. • The Subcommittee found no evidence that OneVoice spent grant funds to influence the 2015 Israeli elections. Soon after the grant period ended, however, OneVoice used the campaign infrastructure and resources built, in part, with State Department grants funds to support V15. In service of V15, OneVoice deployed its social media platform, which more than doubled during the State Department grant period; used its database of voter contact information, including email addresses, which OVI expanded during grant period; and enlisted its network of trained activists, many of whom were recruited or trained under the grant, to support and recruit for V15. This pivot to electoral politics was consistent with a strategic plan developed by OneVoice leadership and emailed to State Department officials during the grant period. The State Department diplomat who received the plan told the Subcommittee that he never reviewed it. • OneVoice’s use of government-funded resources for political purposes was not prohibited by the grant agreement because the State Department placed no limitations on the post-grant use of those resources. Despite OneVoice’s previous political activism in the 2013 Israeli election, the Department failed to take any steps to guard against the risk that OneVoice could engage in political activities using State-funded grassroots campaign infrastructure after the grant period
JFKerry had warned Bibi to not meet with a joint session of Congress to lobby for more sanctions of Iran , a move that would work against the emperor's appeasement of the homicidal messianic regime in Tehran. Bibi addressed the joint session anyway . So Bibi had to go. V15's led a 'anyone but Bibi' campaign.
Anyway it would not be shocking to discover that Putin had preferences. If he preferred Trump he was making an error as Trump was much tougher on Russia and Putin than the emperor ever was ;or that Evita would've been.
Athos
Jan 16, 2022, 11:08 AM
more projection
Your "projection" is the truth for the rest of the world.
You could just as easily conclude that the Mueller investigation was a joke
Mueller, as is well-known, stated that it was useless to accuse Trump of a crime since Trump had already declared he was above the law and this illegal position was confirmed by the equally criminal AG Barr. Mueller did list 10 areas of obstruction of justice if and when Trump could be brought to justice. That is in the process of happening now in various jurisdictions. Stay tuned.
tomder55
Jan 16, 2022, 12:05 PM
Mueller’s investigation did not find evidence that Trump’s campaign coordinated with Russia to influence the election and did not take a clear position on whether Trump obstructed justice. That last part was to appease the people who contracted him to take Trump out .
Athos
Jan 16, 2022, 12:36 PM
Mueller’s investigation did not find evidence that Trump’s campaign coordinated with Russia to influence the election and did not take a clear position on whether Trump obstructed justice. That last part was to appease the people who contracted him to take Trump out .
Mueller did NOT CLAIM he found evidence that Trump's campaign coordinated with Russia. He also stated in no uncertain terms, he was NOT exonerating Trump. Trump then went ahead and claimed he WAS exonerated.
He took a most clear position on obstruction of justice stating, "while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him".[193] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Counsel_investigation_(2017%E2%80%932019)# cite_note-Herb-193)[195] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Counsel_investigation_(2017%E2%80%932019)# cite_note-195)
jlisenbe
Jan 16, 2022, 01:01 PM
Mueller’s investigation did not find evidence that Trump’s campaign coordinated with Russia...
Mueller did NOT CLAIM he found evidence that Trump's campaign coordinated with Russia.Aren't you saying the same thing Tom said?
"While this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him." And again here?
There are those here who run to Momma when they can no longer keep up with a discussion that had become far beyond their abilities. They shall be nameless here so the little *ussy can dry his tears before running to Momma again. Poor baby. They can't keep up with the big boys so they revert to hot tears and Momma. Once a wuss, always a wuss.Yet another verification that, "Getting caught in a trap of their own making sure gets some people upset." I guess this is what now passes for a logical, well-reasoned defense made by one of the "boys".
tomder55
Jan 16, 2022, 01:06 PM
he was NOT exonerating Trump. It was NEVER Mueller's place to exonerate . His job was to present evidence and/ or to indict if he had evidence. Further his non-exoneration political statement was about the possibility of obstruction .He was clear he found no evidence of Trump collusion with Russia .
But as you know ;the left chooses to believe whatever conspiracy theory fits their preconceived narrative. Knowing what we know of EVITAs collusion with the Russian working at Brookings Institute ,I would think it is clear by now how the phony narrative about Trump was concocted.
Athos
Jan 16, 2022, 03:40 PM
It was NEVER Mueller's place to exonerate
Only Trump brought up exoneration saying "Mueller exonerated him".
His job was to present evidence
He said there was no point in charging Trump because he (Trump) considered himself above the law as long as he was president. The attorney general agreed with him. Two crooks side by side.
But as you know ;the left chooses to believe whatever conspiracy theory fits their preconceived narrative.
Talk about projection! There's a typo in that sentence - try "right" instead of "left".
Knowing what we know of EVITAs collusion with the Russian working at Brookings Institute ,I would think it is clear by now how the phony narrative about Trump was concocted.
More nonsense. The chief promoter of collusion was Trump himself. To the point of declaring himself exonerated. You can gaslight all you want, but never forget, these days there is plenty of visual and written EVIDENCE available to all who look for it. You can't eliminate the past, try as you might.
Yet another verification that, "Getting caught in a trap of their own making sure gets some people upset." I guess this is what now passes for a logical, well-reasoned defense made by one of the "boys".
Never waste time on discussions that make no sense. There are people who, for all the evidence presented to them, do not have the ability to understand.
tomder55
Jan 17, 2022, 05:25 AM
More nonsense.
indeed it was . Evita's attempts to divert attention from her illegal email server appeared at first to be very successful as it suckered her party;the FBI and the compliant press into believing it . But as you say ;the truth is out there and one by one the press is giving their excuses and mea culpas for being deceived . I call it willful ignorance ;but you can only lead a camel to water .
jlisenbe
Jan 17, 2022, 05:53 AM
Example of political bias. Donald Trump just HAD to have something to do with 1/6, but Joe Biden is completely innocent of any shady foreign dealings involving his son, Hunter.
tomder55
Jan 17, 2022, 06:35 AM
Mueller's investigation cost us $40 million and 22 months to find that there was nothing there there. To the Dems that was a small price to pay because they snookered the public into voting in the Madam Mim House ;and Clueless Joe. The Dems could care less about the collateral damage.
Evita sought to destroy Trump by paying Christopher Steele to manufacture fantasies. Steele borrowed those fantasies from Brookings Institute's Igor Danchenko (a “primary sub-source” who ironically is a Russian native, makes Evita in fact the one who colluded with Russians)
She used the compliant press the FBI, the CIA, and the Justice Department to plant the lies She covered her role behind the DNC, the Perkins Coie law firm, and Fusion GPS.
FBI actors like James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Kevin Clinesmith, destroyed their careers in their obsessions over Trump. They also destroyed the reputation of the FBI.
The same is true of the CIA as John Brennan spewed the lies and, in the process, made the CIA more fearful to Americans than our enemies fear them
James Clapper dragged the NIA down with his false charges too.The compliant press spewed the falsehoods too and one by one their talking heads are paying the price.
Still; the more collusion is proven false the louder they shout it.
Their false narrative is also affecting our relationship with Russia as my other posting documents. The left in the days of the Soviets were once bed partners with the Russians. As late as the emperor's reign they were trying to have good relations with Russia presenting him a big red 'reset ' button in lieu of real diplomacy. But their electoral deception included demonizing Putin to a point that we are in a more dangerous world than we were when we were toe to toe with our finger on the nuclear trigger.
Athos
Jan 17, 2022, 08:23 AM
Mueller's investigation cost us $40 million and 22 months to find that there was nothing there there.
Mueller proved that the Russians did indeed interfere with the 2016 election. He also found 10 instances of obstruction of justice which he left for the time when Trump would not have the protection of the presidential office. Trump and his flunkie Barr claimed (unconsitutionally) that Trump was above the law.
Trump is now under investigation in various jurisdictions for criminal activities.
tomder55
Jan 17, 2022, 08:56 AM
yes I know James in NY is going after his business activities . I guess that follows Mueller's MO too . Find unrelated activities to charge someone with other than your mandate for the investigation . Mueller did manage to charge some Russians that will never be brought to justice over the hacking of the DNC server and some other guy who unwittingly sold Russians bank accounts .The rest of his charges were business related activities or process crimes .
Athos
Jan 17, 2022, 09:10 AM
yes I know James in NY is going after his business activities
Georgia is investigating Trump's felonious attempt to rig the election in that state.
tomder55
Jan 17, 2022, 04:37 PM
All the Georgia DA has to prove is criminal intent beyond a reasonable doubt Even if Trump's call to Brad Raffensperger was somehow in violation of Georgia law ;which I doubt it was. Trump believed he was getting hosed in Georgia and he asked Raffensperger to find the votes he believed were due him .
talaniman
Jan 17, 2022, 05:35 PM
Nice spin as usual but we all know the dufus wanted Raffensperger to lie, cheat, and steal for him and he and his sycophants would do the rest.
Athos
Jan 17, 2022, 06:31 PM
Even if Trump's call to Brad Raffensperger was somehow in violation of Georgia law ;which I doubt it was.
You doubt it was? Trump asked Raffensperger to change the number of votes to the exact number of votes he needed to give him the victory. You doubt it violated the law?
Trump believed he was getting hosed in Georgia and he asked Raffensperger to find the votes he believed were due him .
Elections are not determined by how or what the candidate believes. They are determined by how many votes the candidate receives. When the candidate rejects the number of votes counted and asks the secretary of state to change the vote totals to accord with what he believes, he is violating the law - state and federal.
Does that really need to be said here?
tomder55
Jan 18, 2022, 06:22 AM
You doubt it was?
Yes because Trump believed he was being screwed and asked him to find the votes Trump believed were stolen. You really don't get intent. Trump's state of mind is a key factor ,
Elections are not determined by how or what the candidate believes. They are determined by how many votes the candidate receives. Clueless Joe said that it was who counts the votes that is determinative
tomder55
Jan 18, 2022, 06:34 AM
Meanwhile in Wisconsin a judge has ruled that drop boxes and harvesting that was crucial in swinging the state to Clueless are in violation of state law and may not be used in the upcoming mid term elections .
"It's all good and nice, but there's no authority to do it," Bohren said of the use of drop boxes.
Election absentee ballot drop boxes can't be used in Wisconsin: Judge (jsonline.com) (https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2022/01/13/judge-bars-use-absentee-ballot-drop-boxes-wisconsin/6512589001/)
State law is clear about absentee ballots It allows for only two methods of returning an absentee ballot: Through the mail or in person at the municipal clerk’s office. Nowhere does it allow for a ballot to be dropped off in a drop box.
The law also clearly states no person “may receive a ballot from or give a ballot to a person other than the election official in charge.”
Wisconsin Legislature: 12.13(3) (https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/12/13/3)
tomder55
Jan 18, 2022, 07:02 AM
also in Wisconsin.... Wisconsin Election Commission (WEC)violated their laws by instructing nursing home staffers to assist patients in filling out ballots ;a move financed by Zuck Bucks.In March 2020, Governor Evers declared a public health emergency due to covid. WEC prohibited special voting deputies from entering nursing homes and residential care facilities in violation of the statutes I linked above which [explicitly provides that special voting deputies are the only people allowed to help nursing home residents vote. WEC petitioned Evers to make an exception. He refused . But WEC voted to ignore the Governor and allow the change in a clear violation of the law. The amount of control that may be exerted by a staff member over a patient is immeasurable, especially if that patient has declined mental health
The Racine County Sheriff office is investigating. Sheriff Christopher Schmaling and Investigator Lt. Michael Luell said they found seven individuals living at a Mount Pleasant nursing home who had severe declines in mental health and voted absentee in the election. Schmaling and Luell accused the WEC of failing to enforce oversight of absentee voting in nursing homes, since the WEC voted to waive a law the law.
Vos: Elections officials 'probably' committed crimes | Elections | journaltimes.com (https://journaltimes.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/elections/vos-elections-officials-probably-committed-crimes/article_edf2762c-d48e-5253-90a5-6e48778de556.html)
Athos
Jan 18, 2022, 09:15 AM
Yes because Trump believed he was being screwed and asked him to find the votes Trump believed were stolen. You really don't get intent. Trump's state of mind is a key factor
Not true. That's like saying the murderer believed he was doing good so he's not guilty. The defendant would be clearly considered crazy. Trump is clearly mentally unbalanced.
it was who counts the votes that is determinative
Wrong again. The determining factor is the candidate who receives the most votes.
tomder55
Jan 18, 2022, 09:31 AM
I'm just saying what state law in Georgia says .
For a jury to convict a defendant of a crime, prosecutors must establish mens rea, a Latin term that means the person had a guilty mind, and do so with highest standard of proof: “beyond a reasonable doubt.” By that standard, jurors must acquit if they believe there’s any other reasonable explanation for a defendant’s behavior beyond that presented by the prosecution.
it was who counts the votes that is determinative
Wrong again. The determining factor is the candidate who receives the most votes.
I was using Clueless Joe's own words .
It’s no longer about who gets to vote; it’s about making it harder to vote. It’s about who gets to count the vote and whether your vote counts at all.
Remarks by President Biden on Protecting the Right to Vote | The White House (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2022/01/11/remarks-by-president-biden-on-protecting-the-right-to-vote/)
I agree with him . He is just channeling his inner Joseph Stalin .
Athos
Jan 18, 2022, 09:40 AM
I'm just saying what state law in Georgia says .
For a jury to convict a defendant of a crime, prosecutors must establish mens rea, a Latin term that means the person had a guilty mind, and do so with highest standard of proof: “beyond a reasonable doubt.” By that standard, jurors must acquit if they believe there’s any other reasonable explanation for a defendant’s behavior beyond that presented by the prosecution.There is absolutely no dispute that Trump's behavior was criminal beyond a reasonable doubt. How far do you think he will get by offering his belief as a defense?
To repeat: The winner is determined by the number of votes he receives. To say it is determined by the votes counted is self-evident. It is also determined by the number of voters who voted. It is also determined by who runs for the office. If there is fraud in the counting, it is far more likely to be done by Republican counters.
jlisenbe
Jan 18, 2022, 09:45 AM
If there is fraud in the counting, it is far more likely to be done by Republican counters.Any evidence of that?
Athos
Jan 18, 2022, 09:49 AM
Any evidence of that?
There are people who, for all the evidence presented to them, will refuse to understand.
jlisenbe
Jan 18, 2022, 10:11 AM
Oh my. I've upset him again. Sorry about that.
tomder55
Jan 20, 2022, 04:51 AM
There is absolutely no dispute that Trump's behavior was criminal beyond a reasonable doubt. How far do you think he will get by offering his belief as a defense?
Beyond a reasonable doubt . Trump's state of mind is key . A jury would have to believe he intentionally tried to steal the vote rather than his oft stated claim that he was being screwed .
To repeat: The winner is determined by the number of votes he receives. To say it is determined by the votes counted is self-evident. It is also determined by the number of voters who voted. It is also determined by who runs for the office. If there is fraud in the counting, it is far more likely to be done by Republican counters.
Then why did Clueless Joe pivot from the false claims of Republicans trying to prevent people from voting to his more recent incoherent rant about whether the votes will be counted (his words not mine ....).
As the courts settled issues the Trump campaign raised in 2020; it can also settle issues raised in 2022/2024. The attempts of the Dems to destroy the process of how the Senate operates so they can force on the nation an unconstitutional national election is the real threat to the democratic system of the country.
The Dems go so far as claiming requiring voter ID as something that undermines democracy. Whenever it has been challenged it has been ruled constitutional and the vast majority of Americans want voter ID.
Dems claim that only federalization shows faith in the democratic process without recognizing that the state laws are the product of the democratic process Joe's own home state has laws as restrictive of any he speaks of those red states have. But you never hear him saying the Dems of Delaware are undermining democracy.
The truth of the 2020 election is that it was the Dems than undermined democracy by changing state laws by fiat that were adopted by the representatives of the people of the states.
Joe's denouncing of Georgia laws adopted by the people of the state is more undermining of democracy. Joe's casting doubt about the integrity of the November election is no different than Trump casting doubt about the election prior to 2020. So, is Joe conspiring to steal the mid-term election?
"Do you still believe the upcoming election will be fairly conducted and the results will be legitimate?
"BIDEN: "It all depends depends on whether or not we're able to make the case to the American people that some of this is being set up to alter the outcome..."
Athos
Jan 20, 2022, 11:32 AM
Beyond a reasonable doubt . Trump's state of mind is key . A jury would have to believe he intentionally tried to steal the vote rather than his oft stated claim that he was being screwed .
Absolutely NOT true! A defendant BELIEVING he is innocent is not a defense. No jury in the world would acquit a perp for that reason.
jlisenbe
Jan 20, 2022, 11:49 AM
State of mind relates to the defendant's motive at the time an action occurs, and not what they presently believe.
Mens Rea refers to criminal intent. The literal translation from Latin is "guilty mind." The plural of mens rea is mentes reae. A mens rea refers to the state of mind statutorily required in order to convict a particular defendant of a particular crime.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/mens_rea#:~:text=Mens%20Rea%20refers%20to%20crimin al%20intent.%20The%20literal,convict%20a%20particu lar%20defendant%20of%20a%20particular%20crime.
tomder55
Jan 20, 2022, 12:51 PM
Unless Trump were to admit that he intended to illegally interfere with election results, there would be no direct evidence about his state of mind. Other evidence would be a witness of Trump saying behind closed doors that he knew he had lost the election. Inference up the kazoo doesn't change that threshold
Athos
Jan 20, 2022, 03:20 PM
Unless Trump were to admit that he intended to illegally interfere with election results, there would be no direct evidence about his state of mind. Other evidence would be a witness of Trump saying behind closed doors that he knew he had lost the election. Inference up the kazoo doesn't change that threshold
If you would stop watching FOX and OAN, you would have seen and heard Trump's actual deeds in trying to subvert the Georgia election. It's all on tape. AND witnesses!
tomder55
Jan 20, 2022, 04:08 PM
What is OAN ? I have seen the tapes and it is clear Trump was looking for the votes he thought were stolen from him . Intent really does matter according to Georgia law.
jlisenbe
Jan 20, 2022, 04:49 PM
Evidence of a compliant press. At this week's news conference, there were zero questions about crime, and zero questions about the southern border. None.
Athos
Jan 20, 2022, 05:27 PM
What is OAN ?
Thay are Trump's favorite channel since Fox said something Trump didn't like. OAN is soon going off the air since they will not be renewed by DIRECTV.
I have seen the tapes and it is clear Trump was looking for the votes he thought were stolen from him
Hard to believe you could write that with a straight face.
Intent really does matter according to Georgia law.
Not in criminal law.
jlisenbe
Jan 21, 2022, 04:12 AM
Of course intent matters in criminal law. It's the fundamental difference, for instance, between a charge of murder versus a charge of manslaughter. It's the very foundation of "good Samaritan" laws.
tomder55
Jan 21, 2022, 04:27 AM
all I did was cite what Georgia law says about the high standard of proving criminal intent .
“I don’t think you can put up just the (Raffensperger) phone call” before a jury, said Bullard. “Because the phone call could cut either way, and a good defense attorney will argue … that (Trump) believed in his heart of hearts there was fraud regardless of whether that’s true and that he wanted the local official who was responsible for ensuring the results were accurate to do his job.”
Andrew Fleischman, an Atlanta attorney and ex-public defender, said speaking to government officials about issues under their purview — even if what they’re asking for is wrong, false or without due process — is a protected form of political speech. He compared it to Trump devotees’ chants to “lock up” former Secretary of State and presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.
“I think (Trump’s) actually got a pretty strong First Amendment defense there,” Fleischman said.
Trump's state of mind central to Fulton DA's investigation | News & Features | ArcaMax Publishing (https://www.arcamax.com/currentnews/newsheadlines/s-2612569-p3)
OAN is a conservative network that is being banned by big tech <sarc> what a surprise ! </sarc>
jlisenbe
Jan 21, 2022, 05:32 AM
OAN is a conservative network that is being banned by big tech <sarc> what a surprise ! </sarc>
That should be of great concern to everyone.
tomder55
Jan 21, 2022, 06:33 AM
Anti-trust is the only answer I see . It is very apparent the the powerful big tech firms will not allow conservative media to gain a foothold. Build your own is the conservative way .The assumption that the left values free market competition is misguided . It does not . The assumption is that the government's legitimate role is to create a level playing field .
I have already pointed to how Amazon ,Apple and Google knee capped Parler before it could get off the ground . Other web hosts refuse to host other conservative sites .Paypal has banned some conservatives from using their site .
Journalist Says He Has Been Banned by PayPal for Political Beliefs (crowdfundinsider.com) (https://www.crowdfundinsider.com/2022/01/185161-journalist-says-he-has-been-banned-by-paypal-for-political-beliefs/)
I did some reading on this . Turns out that CNNs Brian Stelter complained about OAN on air saying providers should not carry it. He also had similar comments about FOX. He had a Facebook security person on his show who said that although these networks have freedom of speech; Verizon, AT&T, Comcast, should not be bringing them into tens of millions of homes.
Clueless Joe's FCC nominee Gigi Sohn hates FOX .
some examples :
I agree that scrutiny of big tech is essential, as is scrutiny of big telecom, cable & media. And trust me, the latter have played their own role in destroying democracy & electing autocrats. Like, say, Fox News?
Gigi Sohn on Twitter: "@larry_irving @khart I agree that scrutiny of big tech is essential, as is scrutiny of big telecom, cable & media. And trust me, the latter have played their own role in destroying democracy & electing autocrats. Like, say, Fox News?" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/gigibsohn/status/1169292338277093377?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1169292338277093377%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fthefederalist.com%2F2022%2F0 1%2F18%2Fbidens-fcc-commissioner-nominee-gigi-sohn-wants-to-nuke-right-leaning-broadcasters-from-air%2F)
For all my concerns about #Facebook (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Facebook?src=hashtag_click), I believe that Fox News has had the most negative impact on our democracy. It's state-sponsored propaganda, with few if any opposing viewpoints. Where's the hearing about that?
Gigi Sohn on Twitter: "For all my concerns about #Facebook, I believe that Fox News has had the most negative impact on our democracy. It's state-sponsored propaganda, with few if any opposing viewpoints. Where's the hearing about that?" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/gigibsohn/status/1321456221740847106?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1321456221740847106%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fthefederalist.com%2F2022%2F0 1%2F18%2Fbidens-fcc-commissioner-nominee-gigi-sohn-wants-to-nuke-right-leaning-broadcasters-from-air%2F)
So do you still want me to believe that social media is more dangerous to our democracy than Fox News?
Gigi Sohn on Twitter: "So do you still want me to believe that social media is more dangerous to our democracy than Fox News?" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/gigibsohn/status/1324730002181677056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1324730002181677056%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fthefederalist.com%2F2022%2F0 1%2F18%2Fbidens-fcc-commissioner-nominee-gigi-sohn-wants-to-nuke-right-leaning-broadcasters-from-air%2F)
Right on cue with the left in power and calling the shots ,DirecTV; which is owned by AT&T ; which also owns Brian Stelter's CNN announced it would not renew OAN's contract .
Maybe conservatives need to build their own giant telecommunications conglomerate from scratch to compete in the market ;assuming that regulators would not kill it because they advance opinions the government doesn't agree with.
This of course is a non-starter . The only chance conservative media has is a level playing field .And that will not happen until big tech is broken up .