So a bunch of activists did not like that Sen [Sinema was not a goose stepping in lock step Dem. So they cornered her in a bathroom and harassed her . Quid was asked about it and his reply was that was "part of the process." He got called out on it . Peggy Noonan wrote in WSJ :


His statement on Sen. Kyrsten Sinema being harassed in a ladies’ room by activists who hissed like the devil’s imps was wan and passive-aggressive: “I don’t think they’re appropriate tactics, but it happens to everybody. . . . It’s part of the process.” It doesn’t happen to everybody and to announce it is part of the process is to make it part of the process. It was as if he were saying: Yeah, she’s got me mad. Hound her some more.
Progressives Hold the Capital Captive - WSJ (https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-progressives-aoc-squad-sinema-reconciliation-infrastructure-lbj-approval-polling-11633643510)

To the rescue came Jen Psaki who in her Baghdad Bob style told us what Quid MEANT to say :


Q Thanks. I just wanted to come back to the — the incident — the protest that happened with Senator Sinema over the weekend and whether that’s something that the White House or the President has been thinking more about since then.
MS. PSAKI: Sure. I mean, I would say, I talked to the President about this, maybe two days ago — it’s all running together; in the last few days, I would say — and what he conveyed very clearly — just in case there’s any confusion about where he stands — is that, while, of course, we all agree — and as Senator Sinema said herself — the right to free speech and to protest is sacred to our country, he believes that what happened to her crossed the line and was absolutely unacceptable and flat out wrong to violate someone’s personal space in a bathroom. It doesn’t need to happen that way. We can peacefully protest without it crossing that line.
So that continues to be his point of view.

Press Briefing by Press Secretary Jen Psaki, October 8, 2021 | The White House (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/2021/10/08/press-briefing-by-press-secretary-jen-psaki-october-8-2021/)

So what he actually said was the harassments was part of the process .But what he meant was that it was completely unacceptable and flat our wrong . ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????

...flat out wrong to violate someone’s personal space in a bathroom.

So what he actually said was the harassments was part of the process .But what he meant was that it was completely unacceptable and flat our wrong .It's one of the niceties of diminished mental acuity. You can always change your mind, or in this case someone else can change your mind. Every day is a new day. How else can a person explain his conclusion that the Afghanistan withdrawal was an “extraordinary success?” Yep. It ranked right up there with Pearl Harbor in the annals of American military successes.

It just amazes me how many people there are whose analysis of a person's actions pretty much start and stop with his identification as "Trump" or "Biden". So what is an outrage in one case becomes wonderful in the other case.

.flat out wrong to violate someone’s personal space in a bathroom.But according to Quid it is "part of the process"

Correct. It's part of the process unless, of course, it's NOT part of the process.

flat out wrong to violate someone’s personal space in a bathroom.

But according to Quid it is "part of the process"
And according to Republicans, it's part of the process if someone is transgender.

What repub has said that?

What repub has said that?
All you have to do is google "republicans transgender bathrooms" (without quote marks) and you'll pull up pages of websites.

Just the usual reply. "What repub has said that?" Answer basically is, "I have no idea. Do my research for me and find out yourself." Well, no thank you. If you don't know, then just say you don't know.

We do know that the pres is utterly unconcerned about people following a female Senator into a women's restroom and filming her. That we know for certain. No one has to google it. It is clearly true. It's just, "part of the process."

Just the usual reply. "What repub has said that?" Answer basically is, "I have no idea. Do my research for me and find out yourself." Well, no thank you. If you don't know, then just say you don't know.
If I post links, you refuse to read them or say the source isn't worthy of expounding on that topic. If I post text, you find one or two words that you spin to make them negate everything in the article (but they don't). Thus, I urge you to use good keywords such as the ones I noted.

I asked a simple question. "What repub has said that?" I asked for no links, but just a simple answer. You don't know an answer. Why not just admit it? Instead, you blame your problem on someone else. Too bad.

I asked a simple question. "What repub has said that?" I asked for no links, but just a simple answer. You don't know an answer.
Rep. Mary Miller (R-IL)

You are referring to this? "Rep. Mary Miller (R-IL) issued a press release for H.R. 1417, the Safety and Opportunity for Girls Act (SOGA) (https://marymiller.house.gov/media/press-releases/safety-and-opportunity-girls-act-introduced-congresswoman-miller), which she says would ban schools from allowing transgender students from using the bathroom or locker room that aligns with their gender identity and instead force them to use facilities associated with their sex assigned at birth."

You are referring to this? "Rep. Mary Miller (R-IL) issued a press release for H.R. 1417, the Safety and Opportunity for Girls Act (SOGA) (https://marymiller.house.gov/media/press-releases/safety-and-opportunity-girls-act-introduced-congresswoman-miller), which she says would ban schools from allowing transgender students from using the bathroom or locker room that aligns with their gender identity and instead force them to use facilities associated with their sex assigned at birth."
That's only one.

Ok. Where does she suggest a person follow a TG person into a bathroom and film/harass that person? Did I miss that part?

Ok. Where does she suggest a person follow a TG person into a bathroom and film/harass that person? Did I miss that part?
She doesn't need to. Republicans automatically follow that person in and harass them.

So it still comes down to you have no answer. The question was, "What repub has said that?" You just admitted the person you referred to did not say that. "She doesn't need to." Why the dishonesty? And how do you know that repubs, "automatically follow that person in and harass them?" Is that just an opinion, or can you document it? The harassment of Sinema is documented. Do you have similar documentation to support your statement that repubs "automatically" do so? That's sure seems to be a really bitter and plainly false statement.

Do you have similar documentation to support your statement that repubs "automatically" do so? That's sure seems to be a really bitter and plainly false statement.
Put on a dress, high heels, a wig, and lipstick, then go into a women's public washroom. Let me know what happens.

repubs say that transformer men have no business being in girls bathrooms . I agree

I really have no response beyond that because keeping separate bathrooms should be self evident . It is creepy to suggest anything else.

... keeping separate bathrooms should be self evident . It is creepy to suggest anything else.

I agree.

Hate to disagree with my friend WG, but when I must, I must.

repubs say that transformer men have no business being in girls bathrooms . I agree

I really have no response beyond that because keeping separate bathrooms should be self evident . It is creepy to suggest anything else.
The best solution is unisex bathrooms. Of course, that isn't a viable solution for elementary schools.

Of course, that isn't a good solution for elementary schools.

or any other public venue . Have you seen the lines at some sporting events or concerts ?

or any other public venue . Have you seen the lines at some sporting events or concerts ?
Don't sell drinks, especially beer.

I really have no response beyond that because keeping separate bathrooms should be self evident . It is creepy to suggest anything else.How often do Tom, Athos, and JL agree on something. My gosh it just HAS to be true!


The best solution is unisex bathrooms. Of course, that isn't a viable solution for elementary schools.It would be the dream arrangement for most high school boys. They get to go into a restroom with the girls and not get in trouble!

Well, that's actually a terrible idea. If you're talking about a single stall RR such as is found in some hospitals, then that's fine, but for multiple people at one time??? 40 year old men in restrooms with 14 years old girls? No. No-No-No.

It would be the dream arrangement for most high school boys. They get to go into a restroom with the girls and not get in trouble!
You've never been in a women's washroom, have you.

Well, that's actually a terrible idea. If you're talking about a single stall RR such as is found in some hospitals, then that's fine, but for multiple people at one time??? 40 year old men in restrooms with 14 years old girls? No. No-No-No.
One toilet, one sink, lockable door. One person at a time.

One toilet, one sink, lockable door. One person at a time.

Not happening in public venues

Not happening in public venues
How about a third choice, a unisex bathroom next to the mens' and womens'? People with Asperger's and others also on the autism spectrum would welcome that unisex choice.

Unsurprisingly I am not in the habit of going into women’s restrooms. I do know that I don’t want to have a 40 year old man in the restroom with my wife daughter or granddaughter. No no no

Or we could do the sensible thing and have single gender restrooms. TG people are mentally ill.

What is wrong with having a "family" restroom so no matter the gender it is open to everyone. And next to them have those tailored to individuals like M/F.

TG people are mentally ill.
All of my TG (and LBGQ+ friends) are just as mentally normal as you are. Oh, wait! What did I just say???


What is wrong with having a "family" restroom so no matter the gender it is open to everyone. And next to them have those tailored to individuals like M/F.
A unisex washroom would fill the bill. Mom goes in with daughter(s), and Dad goes in with son(s). My family of origin and, later, my own family were never all in the same washroom at once, even when on vacation. Ick!

A man who is convinced he is a she is only mentally normal in your strange world where Ruth and Naomi were lesbian lovers. There is no end to how far you will go in attempting to validate your liberal credentials.

A man who is convinced he is a she
It's interesting how hormones are distributed naturally during pregnancy, and especially if they are injected by the OB -- and how those hormones affect the developing fetus.

Similar to TG and considered evil, students used to have their left arms tied to their bodies so they couldn't use their left hand (the "sinister" one, eeeeew!) to print or write. Or their left hand was smacked repeatedly with a wooden ruler every time the student was caught using his left hand.

Oh, those two in Genesis, opening up the universe to endless possibilities!

Yep. Endless possibilities of sin and depravity. Well said!

Yep. Endless possibilities of sin and depravity. Well said!
Nope. Only love and care. Six of my very best friends are in that community.

You can’t get that from genesis 3. And besides, we’re you there when it happened?

You can’t get that from genesis 3.
Yes, I can.

No you can’t. But by all means take a stab at it. I'd genuinely like to see your thinking on it.

No you can’t. But by all means take a stab at it. I'd genuinely like to see your thinking on it.
The universe completely changed. Binary was no longer the norm.

Probably when Quid talked about it being part of the process he was having flashbacks to when a mob of mostly peaceful protesters stormed the Capitol and confronted Senators ;including cornering one in a Senate elevator ,to protest the Kavanaugh confirmation .


Senator Sinema was also confronted on a flight by an illegal alien . I wonder how Quid would respond to the appropriateness of a Senator being cornered on a flight by an illegal alien ....or even how it is possible for an illegal alien to have passed through security to board a flight ?

The universe completely changed. Binary was no longer the norm.That's an opinion, but it has no connection with Genesis 3. You never even made reference to Genesis 3 which certainly never says or even implies that. It's yet another example of how your religious beliefs come from your political and social persuasions, but certainly not from the Bible. Of course you could have appealed to the famous text in Isaiah which reads, "Surely man shall no longer be binary, but rather there shall be endless possibilities!" Or something like that. (=


or even how it is possible for an illegal alien to have passed through security to board a flight ?
That's a chilling thought.

More in the subject that Psaki tells us what Quid really meant

I don't recall him running on the proposition that he wanted to make "historic " and "fundamental " changes to the economy . But here it is in yesterday's presser


And again, as Speaker Pelosi alluded to this morning — or said this morning, this is really the point where decisions need to be made, choices need to be made.

The President’s preference is the same as the Speaker’s preference. We — he proposed a $3.5 trillion package. He proposed a broad range of initiatives that will lower costs for the American people, whether it’s childcare, eldercare, college, invest in the climate. And no matter how you cut it though, his view is we can still do something historic and that will fundamentally change — change the economy for the American people.
Press Briefing by Press Secretary Jen Psaki, October 12, 2021 | The White House (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/2021/10/12/press-briefing-by-press-secretary-jen-psaki-october-12-2021/)

Another Trojan Horse Democrat parading as a center moderate while his gut instincts are radical lefty progressive .
My guess is that his "fundamental changes " are out of the Saul Alinsky playbook aka you can't "build it back better " without destroying it firsts .

And Treasury Sec Yellen explained that monitoring ALL bank transactions over $600 is intended to prevent billionaire tax fraud Huh ?

invest in the climateThat one made me laugh. It is the arrogance of man to think we can "invest in the climate". It's also the trend among liberal dems to do away with the idea of taking money from citizens by force of law and spending it on whatever. It's now called "investing". Sounds much nicer, doesn't it?

That's an opinion, but it has no connection with Genesis 3. You never even made reference to Genesis 3 which certainly never says or even implies that.
Of course it says that. The universe totally changed, turned topsy-turvy. Weeds grew in the fields, hate for others was born, mosquitos and spiders bit other living creatures and caused pain and illness and even DEATH, women suffered during childbirth, and men had to WORK!

It does not say, as you alleged, that binary stopped. Period. If it did, you would quote it. You don’t because it doesn’t. End of story. You have allowed your social beliefs to dominate your faith.

It does not say, as you alleged, that binary stopped. Period. If it did, you would quote it. You don’t because it doesn’t. End of story. You have allowed your social beliefs to dominate your faith.
Literalist! Read between the lines. It doesn't say mosquitoes spread malaria and people die. It doesn't say don't drink bleach. It doesn't say lightning might be dangerous. It doesn't say having XY chromosomes means the person is male; it just means the person very likely had male body parts at birth.
https://genetics.thetech.org/ask-a-geneticist/transgender-genetics#:~:text=All%20in%20all%2C%20if%20a%20tran sgender%20woman%20was,parts%20at%20birth.%20By%20T iffany%20Nguyen%2C%20Stanford%20University

After the Fall, the universe opened up to unlimited possibilities.

It..does..not..say..that..anywhere..in..the..Bible .. or.. even.. imply.. it.

It..does..not..say..that..anywhere..in..the..Bible .. or.. even.. imply.. it.
So why do bad things happen and imperfect things exist?

That's a completely different subject. You are now asking about bad things and imperfections. I think you have a valid point there, but you were trying to use the fall of man to somehow make TG a wonderful condition. That's what I was saying you cannot do with Genesis 3.

Perhaps we have arrived at an agreement.

That's a completely different subject. You are now asking about bad things and imperfections. I think you have a valid point there, but you were trying to use the fall of man to somehow make TG a wonderful condition. That's what I was saying you cannot do with Genesis 3.
TG is NOT a wonderful condition! It's horrible to look like one gender but every part of your being is the opposite gender.

And what happened to binary? There is no more strict binary in the animal, insect, and even plant communities.

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by jlisenbe https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/showthread.php?p=3874864#post3874864)
It..does..not..say..that..anywhere..in..the..Bible .. or.. even.. imply.. it.

So why do bad things happen and imperfect things exist?

Sh=t happens .. . Yawn

Well, we agree then that TG is a aberration.

Nothing has happened to binary. Are some individuals sadly, for various reasons, confused as to their identity or purpose? Yes.

Bad things happens because of the introduction of sin into the world. "The wages of sin is death."

I think transformers are either confused and need mental intervention or have biological defects that need treatment .

Well, we agree then that TG is a aberration.
Being lefthanded is an aberration. Having eyes that are two different colors is an aberration. Being born with a cleft palate is an aberration.

And aberrations often must be dealt with. How would you handle things if your son or grandson says he's not male?

have biological defects that need treatment .
And that's exactly what happens. It begins with gender counseling

And it must be dealt with. How would you handle things if your son or grandson says he's not male?The same way I would approach him thinking he is 50 years old, or thinking he is a dog, or thinking he is a martian. It begins by refusing to go along with his plainly wrong idea. Counseling? Sure. Love and continued acceptance as my son? Absolutely. But never pretend that there is anything normal about his feelings. And certainly not a hint that Genesis 3 somehow affirms his feelings.


It begins with with gender counselingAnd there's the potential problem.

And if gender counseling (that includes or leads to a genetic/chromosome examination) affirms he is truly female, then what will you do?


And certainly not a hint that Genesis 3 somehow affirms his feelings.

EVERYTHING in Genesis 3 affirms his feelings!

I'm out of this tedious discussion Let mw know when the subject returns to Quid policies .

I'm out of this tedious discussion Let mw know when the subject returns to Quid policies .
Go for it! (And thanks for bumping along on the sideroad.)

And if gender counseling (that includes or leads to a genetic/chromosome examination) affirms he is truly female, then what will you do?And if species counseling confirms he is truly a dog, or truly a martian? One is about as preposterous as the other.


EVERYTHING in Genesis 3 affirms his feelings!Exactly what? Be specific about what would confirm a man thinking he is a woman. Be specific.

Exactly what? Be specific about what would confirm a man thinking he is a woman. Be specific.
Are the apples you buy at the grocery store all the same size? Do we all have brown eyes with perfect vision? Are you as innocent and cute as you were when you were 3? How many surgeries have you had to repair (!!!) what?

Go for it! (And thanks for bumping along on the sideroad.) or this discussion could be transferred to the freakazoid board .

The question in reference to Genesis 3 was, "Exactly what? Be specific about what would confirm a man thinking he is a woman. Be specific." And this is the answer? "Are the apples you buy at the grocery store all the same size? Do we all have brown eyes with perfect vision? Are you as innocent and cute as you were when you were 3? How many surgeries have you had to repair (!!!) what?"

Sorry, but that's enough for me. I'm out.

or this discussion could be transferred to the freakazoid board .
I started a new thread, tomder. Topic: Adult Sexuality.