The Russia-gate probe was about one question: Did the Trump campaign conspire, coordinate, or collude with Russia to influence the 2016 election? Mueller has concluded that did not happen. That is all you need to know from the 448 page report . Everything else is related to that single question . The government had already looked at Manafort's shady dealings and was not acting on it until Mueller decided to use it as leverage. The FISA warrants against Carter Page and later the Trump campaign all stem from that central question. American hero Michael Flynn would not have his name smeared and his family's finances ruined if not for that question. Let's not forget the hours of rebuttals arguing with the Trump -collusion conspiracy theorist here and on many other forums.

Let me make it clear...….There was NO collusion . Not there was no"criminal" collusion . Not there was no collusion "beyond a reasonable doubt" . The Mueller Dossier makes it clear that there was NO COLLUSION PERIOD !

So why is it the Mueller Dossier and not the Mueller Report ? Well because he devoted about half of the report feeding democrats talking points about the possibility of obstruction .Much of it came from Mueller's very broad interpretations of the statutes . He sorta says that it is up to congress to change the statutes .In doing that he is handing the mantle to Congress ;and Congress will pounce on that invitation.
But of course there would have been no obstruction investigation had there not been the collusion allegation to begin with. The investigation was about something that did not happen .Just like the Steele Dossier that was full of untruths was used to launch the investigation ;the Mueller Dossier ,full of vague inference to obstruction will be used by Congress to begin the impeachment phase of this farce.

So Mueller is a faithful demonrat, didn't Trump say he was compromised

He is loyal to the deep state swamp critters . He spent 2years plus on this investigation and never looked into the genesis .

home
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/03/russia-collusion-real-story-hillary-clinton-dnc-fbi-media/


and abroad (including your former Minister of Foreign Affairs Alexander Downer)


https://disobedientmedia.com/2018/04/all-russiagate-roads-lead-to-london-as-evidence-emerges-of-joseph-mifsuds-links-to-uk-intelligence/

It involves a web of domestic and foreign law enforcement and intelligence heads in a plot to influence the US elections to ensure an Evita victory ;and later to attempt a silent coup de grace on an elected US president .

Nice spin and fake news Tomder. Obviously you didn't read it despite all the links, but are just repeating AG Barr and the right wing looney talking points. The scope of the report is narrow as was his mandate when appointed. You know that. Confined to Russian election interference and anyone that helped the Russians and obstruction. Despite the lack of evidence of criminal conspiracy, the dufus campaign and the Russians sure danced well together.

If you don't read it yourself be careful who you listen too.

actually the wording of the mandate was broad . I'm working through it . Part II 1st because part one is clear that there was no criminal conspiracy with the ,There is no ambiguity . Part 2 appears to me to be more a road map that Mueller made for Congress to proceed with impeachment proceedings . THAT was NOT in his mandate . Either he had enough to make an indictment case or he didn't . If he didn't then he exceeded his mandate by suggesting what might be actionable .

I just hope the dems are pragmatic with the roadmap as they have a lot more option than JUST impeachment. I prefer they oust this fool by old fashion voting him out. Repubs ain't having that impeachment stuff anyway at this point so seems futile.

the polling supports your view . Both Beto and Warren are reporting that one of the lowest agenda items of people attending their rallies is impeachment .

Let's not forget there are at least 14 other investigations into the dufus mob acyivities so we may as well relax and see what comes next. Let's not ignore the Russian capability to hack into our archaic election grid though, and that I consider a very high priority. There should be no hurry for anything at this point but a lot of legal wrangling and committee appearances. If Barr and repubs want to investigate the "oranges" of all this they have no further than Rosenstein to ask, and please get that idiot Carter Page off my TV screen. I mean how often do you have to get caught up in surveillance of Russians before you get it? Even Flynn knew that.

Mueller knew full well that his buddy Barr was going to be a dufus flunky from jumpstreet... we all did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cruh2p_Wh_4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cruh2p_Wh_4

You cite YouTube as an authoritative source? You cite Obama as an authorative source? but if he thinks there is no issue, why are the demonrats pursuing the rigged election issue

was that the emperor or do you think youtube posted an imposter ? The report is clear . 200 pages showing that there was no Trump campaign conspirancy with the Russians to rig the elections . I posted a video where their savior says it is impossible to rig the American presidential election . So at this point ,anyone who still believes it is wearing a tin foil hat .


https://www.dictionary.com/e/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Tin_foil_hat_2.jpg (https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjKgPjK093hAhURWN8KHViGBpUQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dictionary.com%2Fe%2Fpop-culture%2Ftinfoil-hat%2F&psig=AOvVaw30D-SF5jaF3BkGaCSbnt8l&ust=1555814587691717)

Yes it is much in vogue these days, but why are debating more of nothing to see here. Mueller exceeded his brief

It is imperative that this has to play out to the end so we can guarantee that the national security aparatus can never be used again against domestic political opponents of an administration . There are also aspects of this that have still not been fully investigated . The American people have to know the full lengths that the emperor's regime and then the remnants embedded in the deep state went in it's abuse of power . There has to be an accounting for his 8 year reign .This Russia-gate business was the cumulation of abuses directed at political opponents . Except for the military ,he used the full weight of the executive dept targeting them .He used the IRS ,regulatory enforcement agencies ,the State Dept ,the Intelligence Agencies ,and finally the Justice Dept in an attempt to criminalize his political opponents . We can't just say move on.

Lot's of charges and allegations there against Obama Tom, amid CURRENT abuses of power by this administration that we actually know about. Lets be clear the investigation nor Obama said anything about rigging an election, but the subject is interfering in one, and to date while no conspiracy is found, collusion is definitely present in plain sight. No doubt the dufus has never ever condemned the Russian antics and tactics which his intel community has been keeping him informed of, nor has he shared that with the American people, so obviously he welcomed and played it against HC to get elected.

That's enough intent for me as to how far he would sink in a dirty game to begin with. Mueller's report may be over, but investigations continue as the facts and implications of those facts continue to be gleaned. For me none of this is news as we have known we elected a lying cheating dufus to the WH, and had it confirmed finally. Combining that with the looming election I expect nothing but fireworks and bombs bursting in air.

I also think Tom, that making previous administrations accountable should have started with Reagan, not Obama, but the focus should be on the dufus and no one else at this time. You and JL love to bring back old dem stuff while the current climate of lying, cheating, and total corruption reigns. I hate to see what repubs would be doing had HC won, probably more of the same crap from the last 3 decades.

Did I mention that an election looms near? I dream of a dem house and senate and WH to clean up the repob mess...AGAIN.

collusion is definitely present in plain sight. No doubt the dufus has never ever condemned the Russian antics and tactics which his intel community has been keeping him informed of, nor has he shared that with the American people, so obviously he welcomed and played it against HC to get elected.
that is the level to achieve criminal conspiracy ? That is as silly as when the left kept saying that Trump did not condemn David Duke therefore Trump supports the KKK. The letter appointing Mueller tasked him with investigating any link and /or coordination between the Russians and the Trump campaign. The report makes many allegations of Russians attempts to influence the Trump campaign and finds nothing where there was coordination or cooperation. Now if it were true that the emperor knew the Russians were attempting to infiltrate the Trump campaign .He should've informed him of their efforts . Instead ;the emperor's intel and Justice dept treated Trump like the criminal and used the Russian attempts as an excuse to illegally spy on a domestic political campaign. You think the Russians attempts were an assault on our system ? The emperor's efforts were a thousand times more damaging .



. You and JL love to bring back old dem stuff
The slate doesn't wipe clean because they successfully exited the stage …..especially when they didn't leave the stage but instead their loyalist in the executive branch to this day undermine the Trump administration and attempt a coup.

Because he is a lying cheating dufus and history of bad behavior and unlawful acts and is still under investigation and is an unnamed co conspirator in a criminal case. You ignore that but why should we?

lol he is neither an unnamed co conspirator nor an unindicted co conspirator. But this left's repeat a lie long enought must make it true methods do help to cement the lie into the public conscious . An unindicted co conspirator is someone who a Grand Jury finds probable cause against .The Cohen case never went to a Grand Jury because of Cohen's plea.So all you have is Cohen's claim that he was directed to pay hush money (which is itself a falsehood. He was directed to negotiate a NDA).
Even if he were so designated by a Grand Jury as such it would be a completely unfair thing to do because as President he has no means to defend himself of the charge because a sitting President can't be brought to trial . So he would be left with that charge with no means of exercising the due process rights of the accused. There is no legal forum to defend himself. He is not one and will not be one until and if a Grand Jury names him as one. And of course that case had nothing to do with Russia

Has everything to do with the dufus being corrupt before, during and after his presidency. We've only had the Mueller Report for days. I guess we wait and see don't we? One thing we know for FACT is that Barr's version was a lie and this may be the biggest scandal in our history. Nixon was small potatoes compared to the dufus. Just saying.

I would love to sit you and JL down at a chessboard and play for money!

I play a respectable game of chess . I'm also not talking about other Trump issues .I stated on this site a long time ago I thought his dealings in the real estate business in NYC and Atlantic City had to be by definition suspect . Your not dealing with Boy Scouts.

I'm not letting go to the fact that Mueller completely ignored the genesis of the , scandal . Even the NY Slimes is beginning to see the issue (of course they knew this 3 years ago but ignored the obvious in their effort to see Trump taken down . This is about the Steele Dossier . How was the information in it so wrong ? :



Another possibility — one that Mr. Steele has not ruled out — could be Russian disinformation. That would mean that in addition to carrying out an effective attack on the Clinton campaign, Russian spymasters hedged their bets and placed a few land mines under Mr. Trump’s presidency as well.Oleg D. Kalugin, a former K.G.B. general who now lives outside Washington, saw that as plausible. “Russia has huge experience in spreading false information,” he said.


Since the other possibility suggested in the article ;that it was a bad game of 'telephone'(where messages get distorted as a message goes from one teller to the other ) is too idiotic to believe . Then it had to be that false messages were deliberately communicated to Steele from his Russian sources . He in turn added them without any verification .



Last year, in a deposition in a lawsuit filed against Buzzfeed, Mr. Steele emphasized that his reports consisted of unverified intelligence. Asked whether he took into account that some claims might be Russian fabrications, he replied, “Yes.”F.B.I. agents considered whether Russia had polluted the stream of intelligence, but did not give it much credence, according to the former official.But that is an issue to which multiple inquiries are likely to return. There has been much chatter among intelligence experts that Mr. Steele’s Russian informants could have been pressured to feed him disinformation.Daniel Hoffman, a former C.I.A. officer who served in Moscow, said he had long suspected the dossier was contaminated by Russian fabrications. The goal, he said, would be to deepen American divisions and blur the line between truth and falsehood.“How many times have hearings on Capitol Hill used information from the dossier?” Mr. Hoffman said. “How much damage has it already caused?”

I'll tell you how much damage .The dossier was passed along to the emperor's Justice and Security agencies who accepted the intel on blind faith . Top FBI agents then leaked the dossier to reporters they trusted .These reporters wanting to knee-cap Trump in any way possible started reporting info in the dossier again without any secondary verification. THEN the FBI ,armed with the dossier ;and secondary sources (the reports they fed to their buddies in the press) went to the FISA courts to get warrants to spy on the Trump campaign .
What was the FBI doing ? They were executing the 'insurance policy ' that Peter Strzok texted to Lisa Page about to ensure Trump would not become President .

CNN digging up the past . …



A legitimate question Republicans are asking is whether the potential "collusion" narrative was invented to cover up the Obama administration's failures. Two years have been spent fomenting the idea that Russia only interfered because it had a willing, colluding partner: Trump. Now that Mueller has popped that balloon, we must ask why this collusion narrative was invented in the first place.
Given Obama's record on Russia, one operating theory is that his people needed a smokescreen to obscure just how wrong they were. They've blamed Trump.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/04/19/opinions/mueller-report-obama-jennings/index.html?fbclid=IwAR3dsZ_YPZILAEtOy-IAhcy4ARpIO5OLAqwHh7IY8zJEDNTrb6IRuiDqUmU

Never forget the real scandal here: The world’s most powerful law enforcement/intelligence apparatus was weaponized to sabotage a rival presidential campaign & then to try to oust the duly elected president of the U.S. Everything else is just noise.

Yes but they can't be very powerful, they didn't succeed

The real threat is Russia helped the dufus, and he wants them to help him again, and why wouldn't they? It worked so well before.

The real threat is Russia helped the dufus, and he wants them to help him again, and why wouldn't they? It worked so well before.

Mr. Mueller disagreed with you.

Why would they want Trump. He has done more than any President since Reagan to stall Russian ambitions . What we need is another Church Committee type of Congressional investigation looking into the FBI and CIA behavior .The Church committee looked into civil rights abuses by the intelligence ,law enforcement ,and national security agencies . We know that this originated at the top levels of the agencies and there was little involvement in the rank and file of the agencies . We also know how the MSM colluded to report leaked information by the leaders of the agencies for the purpose of providing these agencies with secondary confirmation of the misinformation these agencies were peddling.

Mr. Mueller disagreed with you.

According to his report, Russia worked on many levels against Hillary and for the dufus, and Vlad admitted he favored the dufus as prez in Helsinki. Not sure what you were reading.


Why would they want Trump. He has done more than any President since Reagan to stall Russian ambitions . What we need is another Church Committee type of Congressional investigation looking into the FBI and CIA behavior .The Church committee looked into civil rights abuses by the intelligence ,law enforcement ,and national security agencies . We know that this originated at the top levels of the agencies and there was little involvement in the rank and file of the agencies . We also know how the MSM colluded to report leaked information by the leaders of the agencies for the purpose of providing these agencies with secondary confirmation of the misinformation these agencies were peddling.

Has he? The dufus hasn't taken on inch of ground from Vlad, and has seceded Syria to the Russian/Iranian coalition. We can argue about your conspiracy theory, about misinformation, and that fake news meme the dufus spouts, but until you get to a court or OFFICIAL investigation the dufus and you have squat. Less than you had on Hillary for sure.

I think the theme of "I was robbed" has become old and tired, Hilliary was not robbed, certainly not by any small influence the Russians might have been able to exert. What won for Trump was a neglected electorate and an antiquated system of selecting a President.

What won for Trump was a neglected electorate and an antiquated system of selecting a President.


Another reason is distrust of people and parties who hold power for too long.


There are very good explanations for why voters rarely choose a president from the same party for three consecutive terms. You would have to go all the way back to 1836 to find a Democrat being elected to succeed afrom the same party (excluding Franklin Delano Roosevelt)...it was over before it began. Hillary and Obama lost because they were being ignant...too many mistakes made through being overconfident.

When I heard Obama snidely speak "Donald Trump will not be President"...(why would he say that?) it could only mean one thing, Trump would be President. It was as if he set himself (Hillary) up for failure.

Another reason is distrust of people and parties who hold power for too long.


There are very good explanations for why voters rarely choose a president from the same party for three consecutive terms. You would have to go all the way back to 1836 to find a Democrat being elected to succeed afrom the same party (excluding Franklin Delano Roosevelt)...it was over before it began. Hillary and Obama lost because they were being ignant...too many mistakes made through being overconfident.





Yes, eight years is long enough for any party to lose momentum. Their program has been largely implemented by then and if not, it isn't going to happen. Mistakes have become very apparent in that time

I think Trump won because HC was such a weak candidate.

I think Waltero makes a great point as the incumbent party rarely gets a third consecutive term as president, Bush senior being my only recollection and he got dumped after one term. Social media has greatly changed the game though, and made us exploitable, and gives EVERYBODY a way to coalesce around new ideas and concept. Works the same way for the dastardly as the good guys.

Looking forward to the next vote.

Works the same way for the dastardly as the good guys.

There are good guys??

There are good guys??

You're a good guy... aren't you? I think so, despite our differences of opinion and candidate choices.

You're a good guy... aren't you? I think so, despite our differences of opinion and candidate choices.

I feel the same way about you. As to pres candidates, I don't know of anyone I would refer to as having good character in either party other than Dr. Ben Carson, but he is not a candidate this time around.

LOL, I'm comfortable with Biden, Warren, Harris, and Kobashar, but Carson is a fish out of water that just doesn't impress me. Even the highly popular Saunders hasn't shown the pragmatism I favor to implement a reasonable plan in my estimation. I share his ideas, but the devil is in the details.

Well, if you are just looking at policies and not so much character, I'll stick with Trump. Kind of a low character guy, but then so were (in my view) HC and Obama. But he has hit on 2 of my three key issues. 1. healthy economy 2. nominate SC judges who believe in the Constitution. 3. balance the budget.

He has blown it on #3, which is huge, but then Obama went 0/3 and HC was too connected with his policies for me to consider.

I think the theme of "I was robbed" has become old and tired, Hilliary was not robbed, certainly not by any small influence the Russians might have been able to exert. What won for Trump was a neglected electorate and an antiquated system of selecting a President. agree except there is nothing antiquated in the way we select the President .

I don't have the same bias against liberal judges versus conservative ones as you do, but the dirty trick by Slick Mitch bummed me out, even though I have nothing against Gorsuch at all. Every time I review some of these picks being pushed through now though, I cringe, as well as the fed picks and the cabinets. Too many scandals for me followed by resignations to avoid investigations. I worry when you let big corporations police themselves and a congress too dumb to even know what they're doing.

I tend to think long term strategy that quick fixes that can bite you later. I mean good grief we handled the Ebola and Zika outbreaks and we can't get a handle on Measles? Something is very wrong here lately.

agree except there is nothing antiquated in the way we select the President .

Exactly correct.


a congress too dumb to even know what they're doing.

I would tend to agree with that, even though I must point out the congress is controlled by democrats.

Explain the factual accuracy of that last line please.

I was referring to the House which is in dem hands. But if your point is that both dems and repubs are dumb, I might be inclined to agree with you.

The dems JUST got there, and while they have passed meaningful legislation, repubs led by Mitch, ain't doing nothing.

The dems JUST got there, and while they have passed meaningful legislation, repubs led by Mitch, ain't doing nothing.

Why am I not surprised.

Are you surprised that Mitch has been majority Leader with Boehner and Ryan running the house since 2011 and they have done next to nothing?

You are partially correct. They had to fight Obama much of that time, but in Trump's first two years they should have accomplished more, like funding the wall. Now as to what the dem House has accomplished so far, they have... done nothing other than go on and on about impeachment.

That's easy enough to check what the congress has done the last 4 months. If you read the Mueller Report you might learn why there is so much talk of impeachment. Of course you aren't going to bother with that. You have Hannity and Faux News to think for you.

So in four months they have read the M report. Wow. How impressive.

That's easy enough to check what the congress has done the last 4 months. If you read the Mueller Report you might learn why there is so much talk of impeachment. Of course you aren't going to bother with that. You have Hannity and Faux News to think for you.

Look we get it, Trump leaves much to be desired as a president and a person, but unfortunately, he represents the views of more than 50% of voters on the day he was elected. This is sad, but true and says something about the state of the nation so fundamental you cannot ignore it. I would like to see a statesman in office but they are hard to come by

I would like to see a statesman in office

I don't think they would allow it.

James Freeman Clarke (https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/814943.James_Freeman_Clarke)

“The difference between a politician and a statesman is that a politician thinks about the next election while the statesman think about the next generation.”

Well said

[Trump] represents the views of more than 50% of voters on the day he was elected.


No he doesn't. He got 46.1% of the voters. Hillary got 48.2%. She got almost THREE MILLION more votes than Trump.

Not only that, Republicans are beginning to bail. Judge Napoli of FOX-News is one of Trump's closest associates and he went public Thursday blasting Trump for obstruction of justice after reading the Mueller Report. He cited 10 occurrences. Another Republican informed his constituents he was leaving the Republican Party and joining the Democrats.

Napoli is a shocker since he has been a die-hard Trump supporter.

The noose tightens - ever so slowly.

So in four months they have read the M report. Wow. How impressive.

I have no clue what you are yammering about, but most of us have read it in the week or so it's been out, and it's SCATHING, both for collusion and certainly for obstruction, so I suggest you read it for yourself and we can debate THAT! I told you the guy is a lying, cheating dufus, so leave the dem house alone for doing it's job under the constitution. Repubs certainly haven't and the senate is still feckless, cowards.

Why do you expect everybody to do as you do and hold their nose while dufus blathers on and his new sycophant Barr lies to your face? Why do you think they are stalling, desperately trying to run the clock out to the election? Nixon's landslide didn't save him and if the dufus gets re elected, I doubt that will save him either.

It's his ONLY hope though, as long as you true believers refuse to READ!

but most of us have read it in the week or so it's been out, and it's SCATHING, both for collusion and certainly for obstruction,

Must not have been clear to Mueller because he did not recommend charges in either case. HC was declared guilty by Comey but then he decided not to bring charges and you were fine with that and promptly let it go. Same thing here except the hatred of all things Trump is very apparent.

Must not have been clear to Mueller because he did not recommend charges in either case. HC was declared guilty by Comey but then he decided not to bring charges and you were fine with that and promptly let it go. Same thing here except the hatred of all things Trump is very apparent.

AGAIN the first two pages of the report explains he would not recommend charges on either issue because DOJ policy prohibits it. He also explained the lack of cooperation by the WH, and the dufus. It's insane to debate what the Mueller report actually says until you read it for yourself. Until you do you will sound like a moron like the rest of the right wing loony sycophants.

I'm sure by now the dufus actually knows what it says since he has 40 lawyers to read it for him, and he can tell you true believers what he wants you to hear.

From what I think is the second page you are referring to, which is page 2 of the report, we find this: "the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities." Seems pretty clear to me and a lot less than "scathing".

Where do you see on those two pages that the DOJ prohibited the recommendation of charges?

What is it you are telling us? Hillary has been in the game for a long time. Do you understand why she is upset? She cheated, conspired, swindled, lied, manipulated etc. in an attempt to win the Presidency. She was faced against a know imbecile (I think we all agree), she said as much during her campaign. She played (underhandedly) and was convinced that she would be a sure win. Of course when she lost she thought she had been slighted. She played the game, and was not found out (cheating, conspiring, swindling, lying, manipulating etc.) and still lost,to an ignoramus. I would be upset as well, but if she was to be honest, with herself, she would surely see that she was trying to manipulate the system and has no real reason to be upset. I think what really hurts is that she lost, despite the opposition not providing any "hard evidence" showing her as a cheat...she cheated but that never became an issue. Believe me, nobody likes losing to an idiot, specially when you run a rigged game.




I was in Ireland many years ago, I was listening to the election results and the Candidate that won the election was a known felon, had to wonder...The candidate who was best suited (did good for the country) to run the country was it, it didn't matter if he was a crook. We are dealing with the same thing. Besides, I don't believe Trump is as underhanded as the others, what you see is what you get. He is doing the best he can. You should thank him for taking the Job.

From what I think is the second page you are referring to, which is page 2 of the report, we find this: "the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities." Seems pretty clear to me and a lot less than "scathing".

Where do you see on those two pages that the DOJ prohibited the recommendation of charges?


First, a traditional prosecution or declination decision entails a binary determination to initiate or decline a prosecution, but we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment. The Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) has issued an opinion finding that "the indictment or criminal prosecution of a sitting President would impermissibly undermine the capacity of the executive branch to perform its constitutionally assigned functions" in violation of "the constitutional separation of powers."1 Given the role of the Special Counsel as an attorney in the Department of Justice and the framework of the Special Counsel regulations, see 28 U.S.C. § 515; 28 C.F.R. § 600.7(a), this Office accepted OLC's legal conclusion for the purpose of exercising prosecutorial jurisdiction. And apart from OLC's constitutional view, we recognized that a federal criminal accusation against a sitting President would place burdens on the President's capacity to govern and potentially preempt constitutional processes for addressing presidential misconduct.2

Second, while the OLC opinion concludes that a sitting President may not be prosecuted, it recognizes that a criminal investigation during the President's term is permissible.3 The OLC opinion also recognizes that a President does not have immunity after he leaves office.4 And if individuals other than the President committed an obstruction safeguarding the integrity of the criminal justice system, we conducted a thorough factual investigation in order to preserve the evidence when memories were fresh and documentary materials were available.

Third, we considered whether to evaluate the conduct we investigated under the Justice Manual standards governing prosecution and declination decisions, but we determined not to apply an approach that could potentially result in a judgment that the President committed crimes. The threshold step under the Justice Manual standards is to assess whether a person's conduct "constitutes a federal offense." U.S. Dep't of Justice, Justice Manual§ 9-27.220 (2018) (Justice Manual). Fairness concerns counseled against potentially reaching that judgment when no charges can be brought. The ordinary means for an individual to respond to an accusation is through a speedy and public trial, with all the procedural protections that surround a criminal case. An individual who believes he was wrongly accused can use that process to seek to clear his name. In contrast, a prosecutor's judgment that crimes were committed, but that no charges will be brought, affords no such adversarial opportunity for public name-clearing before an impartial adjudicator.5 [/FONT]offense, they may be prosecuted at this time. Given those considerations, the facts known to us, and the strong public interest in safeguarding the integrity of the criminal justice system, we conducted a thorough factual investigation in order to preserve the evidence when memories were fresh and documentary materials were available.

1 A Sitting President's Amenability to Indictment and Criminal Prosecution, 24 Op. O.L.C. 222, 222, 260 (2000) (OLC Op.). 2 See U.S. CONST. Art. I § 2, cl. 5; § 3, cl. 6; cf OLC Op. at 257-258 (discussing relationship between impeachment and criminal prosecution of a sitting President).
3 OLC Op. at 257 n.36 ("A grand jury could continue to gather evidence throughout the period of immunity"). 4 OLC Op. at 255 ("Recognizing an immunity from prosecution for a sitting President would not preclude such prosecution once the President's term is over or he is otherwise removed from office by resignation or impeachment").

That is nowhere to be found on the first two pages as you said it was. Now again, we do read this: "the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.

So where did you find the above?

How did Mueller spend two years investigating every aspect of Russian interference...and not consider the possibility that the dossier was part of the Russian interference effort?

That is nowhere to be found on the first two pages as you said it was. Now again, we do read this: "the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.

So where did you find the above?

Sorry my bad it was p214 which is page 2 on another volume. And do we have to go through this again? The reason he gave was that the WH didn't cooperate fully, though they SAY they did and a few even plead the 5th. I suppose I have to find that too? Lets do this, read the thing and stop nitpicking.

Take your time it's loaded, but be aware that the labeled redactions indicated a lot more could be revealed later from ongoing open investigations. It also indicates the intel community and the FBI assisted Mr. Mueller. It's quite apparent that it's nothing like the dufus version or even what Barr put out. It's no wonder the dufus has gone into the full court stall and is desperately spinning his total lies.

The very idea that those subpoenas or lawsuits against the congress for documents they want reaches SCOTUS has me giddy with anticipation. It's historic I tell you!



How did Mueller spend two years investigating every aspect of Russian interference...and not consider the possibility that the dossier was part of the Russian interference effort?


Outside the scope of Mueller. Different investigation.

Outside the scope of Mueller. Different investigation.
nope ;in the wheel house and the very essence of the mandate he was given .
Rosenstein directed Mueller to “conduct the investigation confirmed by then-FBI Director James B. Comey in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017, " Comey testified about the counterintelligence investigation of the Trump campaign launched by the FBI. This investigation relied heavily the Steele Dossier .

Mueller’s authorized jurisdiction encompassed the who, why, what, when, where, and how of the genesis of the Steele dossier and its use by Comey’s FBI to undermine Trump’s candidacy and, failing that, to undo the outcome of the 2016 presidential election.
The logical starting point of any collusion investigation would be the Steele dossier. So, did Mueller investigate or interrogate Christopher Steele, Glenn Simpson of Fusion GPS, or the Evita campaign and DNC operatives who paid for the dossier?
Did the investigation delve into the FBI and Department of Justice’s use of the dossier to obtain FISA warrants to intercept the communications of Carter Page? Did they investigate those who drafted, verified, and submitted the misleading FISA applications?Did they investigate or question Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Andrew McCabe, or other government officials to determine if they or anyone else participated in an effort to spy on the Trump campaign or to overthrow the Trump presidency?

Mueller's report found that
“ Russian government actors successfully hacked into computers and obtained emails from persons affiliated with the Clinton campaign and Democratic Party organization ”
So, did his investigation involve Evita's private, unsecured, home email system?;or was that "outside the scope " too ?

Of course we don't know what's redacted, but Mueller did acknowledge the collaboration between his investigation and the FBI investigation which leads me to believe they were separate and ongoing. He leads heavily into contacts between Russia and the election campaign, but I think it's relevant that he has referred a lot of the investigations, 12 at least by my count, to other jurisdictions. A subject even Barr has not commented on, except and I can only speculate was part of his famous SPYING reference he claims to be looking into.

I doubt he went back to re examine anything beyond the Russian meddling, but we never know for sure. Now what Barr is looking into may be encompassing that, but he has Rosenstein right there to fill him in and see what those FISA warrants were about.

It was spelled out that the stuff redacted was from Grand Jury investigations . The referals were the things outside his scope of authority .So they had nothing to do with Russian interference .My point is that Mueller conveniently left out the genesis questions and that is why I call it the Mueller dossier instead of report . He made it tailor made to be the template for further Congressional action by the Dems or at least an oppo research for the 2020 campaign .

I have to agree with that it was written for the congress for sure. They are the only authority to take actions needed, since by policy DOJ cannot, and that includes Mueller. Now there seems to be nothing stopping a DOJ review of those things you allude to which I thought was already covered in the IG report, due out soon. I must point out that Barr lied when the Mueller REPORT was finished, so has little credibility to describe the IG report to the public upon it's completion.

Hope they nail his tail at his hearing before congress. Maybe get to the bottom of opposition by the WH into that collusion thing.

what ? I thought he was Saint Mueller .

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I was referring to Barr.

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Interesting op ed from David Satter who worked out of Russia ,as a journalist, for many years .


Without intending to, the Mueller report has solved the mystery of the Trump-Russia affair. It shows that Donald Trump and his campaign did not collude with Russia but Russian intelligence used disinformation to create the impression that he did. It is hard for Americans to grasp that in the eerie world of Russian intelligence, it would be normal to discredit a U.S. leader by depicting him as a friend and to support his opponent by depicting her as an enemy. But this is the reality.



. The Trump-Russia affair began May 6, 2016, when George Papadopoulos, a Trump adviser, reportedly told Alexander Downer, the Australian high commissioner in London, that Moscow had compromising information on Hillary Clinton. Ten days earlier, Mr. Papadopoulos had been told by Joseph Mifsud, a Maltese professor who boasted of high-level

Russia contacts, that the “dirt” consisted of “thousands of emails.” Mr. Mifsud had returned from an April 18 meeting in Moscow of the Valdai Discussion Club, which the Mueller report said was “close to Russia’s foreign policy establishment.”

In fact, the Valdai Club, established in 2004, is Russia’s most important center of disinformation. The club gives Western journalists and academics the opportunity to question President Vladimir Putin and other officials in a supposedly informal setting. Participants, anxious not to offend their hosts, engage in self-censorship. Circulating in the crowd are persons who claim to share confidential information and explain what the Russian leadership is thinking—as at the USA and Canada Institute in Soviet times. The Valdai Club would be a key node in any Russian effort to cause chaos in

any Russian effort to cause chaos in the U.S. election.
Mr. Mifsud introduced Mr. Papadopoulos to Ivan Timofeev, a member of the Russian International Affairs Council, who told Mr. Papadopoulos in an April 25, 2016 email that he had shared plans for a meeting between the Trump campaign and the Russian government with Igor Ivanov, the council’s president and a former Russian foreign minister. In October 2016, Mr. Papadopoulos was fired from the campaign. But Russian intelligence had achieved its objective. The FBI had been informed of Mr. Papadopoulos’s remarks to Mr. Downer, and a counterintelligence investigation aimed at the Trump campaign was under way. Another attempt to compromise the Trump campaign was the June 9, 2016, Trump Tower meeting between Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort and a Russian group opposing the 2012 Magnitsky Act. The meeting was arranged by London music promoter Rob Goldstone, who wrote to the young Mr. Trump that the Russian “crown prosecutor” (a nonexistent title) wanted to share
incriminating information about Mrs. Clinton.
It’s remotely possible the Russian delegation—headed by Natalia Veselnitskaya, a lawyer with high-level Moscow connections—believed that they could gain the Trump campaign’s support. It’s likelier that the meeting was part of the effort to inflame U.S. politics by creating the impression that candidate Trump was a Russian pawn. Donald Trump Jr. was foolish to agree to the meeting. He did, however, have the sense to decline to discuss the Magnitsky Act. Mr. Kushner described the meeting as “a waste of time.” Yet it was a media sensation, and some of President Trump’s detractors accepted it as proof of collusion.Then there was the dossier that purportedly contained information on Mr. Trump himself. It was prepared by Christopher Steele, a former British intelligence agent, supposedly based on information from high-level Russian intelligence sources. It said Mr. Trump had been a Russian asset for at least five years and had been monitored in Moscow engaging in “perverted sexual acts.” When the dossier was released, Mr. Steele disappeared, claiming to fear for his life. In fact, the dossier was transparently phony. It claimed Mr. Putin had a “desire to return to Nineteenth Century ‘Great Power’ politics anchored upon countries’ interests rather than the ideals-based international order established after World War Two”—echoing hackneyed attempts by Russian spokesmen to divert attention from the regime’s connections to terrorism and organized crime.
Its statement that Mr. Putin “hated and feared” Mrs. Clinton reflects the standard Kremlin practice of reducing policy differences to personality. Russia had attributed tensions between the U.S. and Russia to Mr. Putin and Barack Obama’s mutual dislike. The idea that Russian intelligence agents would share genuine intelligence as opposed to disinformation was in the realm of fantasy.The Trump-Russia affair did lasting damage to the U.S. For the first time, it became acceptable, even common, to accuse political opponents of treason. The media, Congress and the intelligence services have all undermined themselves by repeating wild and unsubstantiated charges provided for them by Russian intelligence. During the campaign, there was legitimate concern about the competence of Mr. Trump and those around him on the subject of Russia. Since taking office, however, he has approved the provision of defensive arms to Ukraine and coordinated diplomatic retaliation after the attempted murder in Britain of a former Russian intelligence agent, Sergei Skripal.
In any case, the disinformation attack directed at Mr. Trump had nothing to do with his policies. The ultimate target was American society. Moscow’s tactics were striking in their deviousness and the result was the greatest triumph of disinformation in the history of Soviet and Russian active measures













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https://www.wsj.com/articles/collusion-or-russian-disinformation-11556663662

His take only goes so far in that it does not address the emperor's regime's participation in the conspiracy .

I wouldn't put it past Vlad to set up the dufus, but why trust either of them? That's the sad part of this whole thing. No secret I think they both are a serious threat to the democracy, our way of life and the rule of law. Barr's testimony in yesterdays Senate hearing was the biggest obfuscation of facts ever seen by the public. Loopy Lindsey came away saying the whole Mueller thing is over leaving us with the Barr lies and no sign of calling Mueller to testify and clean up the record.

I wouldn't put it past Vlad to set up the dufus, but why trust either of them? That's the sad part of this whole thing. No secret I think they both are a serious threat to the democracy, our way of life and the rule of law.



Russia’s goal was to take advantage of the existing political fissures and make them larger. The Democrats and media have fallen for it lock, stock and barrel and they are doing the Russians work. They cover for it by blaming Trump further


Barr's testimony in yesterdays Senate hearing was the biggest obfuscation of facts ever seen by the public. Loopy Lindsey came away saying the whole Mueller thing is over leaving us with the Barr lies and no sign of calling Mueller to testify and clean up the record.

I'm sure loopy Jerry Nadler or pathfinder Adam Schiff will invite Mueller to their committee .

This week’s political setup of Barr is disreputable even by swamp standards. Democrats and the media are turning the AG into a villain for doing his duty and making the hard decisions .Barr’s testimony to the Senate Judiciary Committee was preceded late Tuesday by a LEAK of a letter Mueller had sent the AG on March 27.Mueller griped that Barr’s 4 page explanation to Congress of the conclusions of the Mueller report “did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance” of the Mueller team’s “work and conclusions.” Only in Washington could this exercise in a$$ covering be considered credible .Democrats leapt on the letter as proof that Barr was covering for Trump. But Barr's letter was an attempt to provide Mueller’s conclusions to Congress and the public as quickly as possible, while he took the time to work through the entire document to make redactions required by law .

Mueller’s letter admits that Barr’s letter wasn’t inaccurate. Mueller conceded that in a phone call to Barr . Mueller's complaint, was that there was “public confusion about critical aspects” of his investigation. In other words ;Mueller stopped being the saint and he was taking the negative hits from the press for not coming to the preconceived conclusions they wanted from him .

For that you had that idiot Senator from Hawaii all but calling Barr a liar and demanding he resign .

Barr told the Senate that he offered Mueller the chance to review his letter before sending it to Congress, but Mueller declined. That was the proper time to offer suggestions or disagree. Instead Mueller ducked that responsibility and then griped in a later letter that was conveniently leaked on the eve of Barr’s testimony. I always knew Mueller was conducting the investigation like Inspector Clouseau .But I did not know he was a weasel and a worm.

Barr released the full Mueller report with minor redactions, as promised, and with the “context” intact.So the Mueller letter should have been a moot point and not the focal point of the Democrat questioning. Barr was under no obligation to give Congress anything let alone the full Mueller report . Barr also made nearly all of the redactions in the report available to senior Members of Congress to inspect .Only 3 Members have bothered; Lindsey Graham, Senate ,Mitch McConnell and ranking House Republican on Judiciary Doug Collins. Not one Democrat howling about Barr’s lack of transparency has examined the outrages they claim are hidden.

Then Barr acting as a REAL AG made the call about the obstruction issue .... something Loretta Lynch did NOT do when she allowed FBI Director James Comey make the call about Evita's illegal behavior .

Russia’s goal was to take advantage of the existing political fissures and make them larger. The Democrats and media have fallen for it lock, stock and barrel and they are doing the Russians work. They cover for it by blaming Trump further

The dufus should be blamed for a lot of the BS that's occurred and held accountable and the FACTS of his words and actions exposed and there is plenty to expose and hearing are the best way to do it and get the Mueller investigation results out to the public. Repubs can distract, disrupt, and lie all they want.


I'm sure loopy Jerry Nadler or pathfinder Adam Schiff will invite Mueller to their committee .

As well they should as the beginning of many.


This week’s political setup of Barr is disreputable even by swamp standards. Democrats and the media are turning the AG into a villain for doing his duty and making the hard decisions .Barr’s testimony to the Senate Judiciary Committee was preceded late Tuesday by a LEAK of a letter Mueller had sent the AG on March 27.Mueller griped that Barr’s 4 page explanation to Congress of the conclusions of the Mueller report “did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance” of the Mueller team’s “work and conclusions.” Only in Washington could this exercise in a$$ covering be considered credible .Democrats leapt on the letter as proof that Barr was covering for Trump. But Barr's letter was an attempt to provide Mueller’s conclusions to Congress and the public as quickly as possible, while he took the time to work through the entire document to make redactions required by law .


Barr is a wholly own sycophant defense attorney to the dufus and that has been exposed to the public for any who haven't figured it out. His 4 page summary was just the opportunity to get the dufus cover while they keep the facts from the public on what the Report actually says. Few will actually read it and Barr admitted he hasn't even considered any of the underlying evidence yet has cleared the dufus of any possible charges from the wrong doing and questionable behavior outlined in the report. Let the facts come out and sink in and even YOU may support impeachment proceedings to begin.

I have said I hope repubs rise to the challenge and build a solid case for it, despite the usual silly season shenanigans.


Mueller’s letter admits that Barr’s letter wasn’t inaccurate. Mueller conceded that in a phone call to Barr . Mueller's complaint, was that there was “public confusion about critical aspects” of his investigation. In other words ;Mueller stopped being the saint and he was taking the negative hits from the press for not coming to the preconceived conclusions they wanted from him .

For that you had that idiot Senator from Hawaii all but calling Barr a liar and demanding he resign .

That won't last long and personally I seriously doubt Mueller will fully hang Barr and the dufus out to dry, not his style. He may give insights into his thinking but that cannot be the whole case to make in the public. Senator Hirono told it like it is as did the repubs and none of that 5 minute stuff yielded anything until Sen Harris got Barr to admit he didn't read the underlying evidence. That's a biggie in my book since he rendered an opinion that favored the dufus.


Barr told the Senate that he offered Mueller the chance to review his letter before sending it to Congress, but Mueller declined. That was the proper time to offer suggestions or disagree. Instead Mueller ducked that responsibility and then griped in a later letter that was conveniently leaked on the eve of Barr’s testimony. I always knew Mueller was conducting the investigation like Inspector Clouseau .But I did not know he was a weasel and a worm.

I won't go that far as his reason was plausible, but darn he could have told DOJ to go to hell and stun the world. He chose the safe non political route and kicked the can down the road. Disappointing for sure but we do have the evidence to crack some repub and dufus heads with... if they figure it out.


Barr released the full Mueller report with minor redactions, as promised, and with the “context” intact.So the Mueller letter should have been a mute point and not the focal point of the Democrat questioning. Barr was under no obligation to give Congress anything let alone the full Mueller report . Barr also made nearly all of the redactions in the report available to senior Members of Congress to inspect .Only 3 Members have bothered; Lindsey Graham, Senate ,Mitch McConnell and ranking House Republican on Judiciary Doug Collins. Not one Democrat howling about Barr’s lack of transparency has examined the outrages they claim are hidden.

Irrelevant, as he should have kept his mouth shut instead of tip the scales to the boss with out reading the thing himself. We both know Tom the fix was in as soon as repubs confirmed Barr.


Then Barr acting as a REAL AG made the call about the obstruction issue .... something Loretta Lynch did NOT do when she allowed FBI Director James Comey make the call about Evita's illegal behavior .

He acted as any good defense lawyer would for his client which is the dufus, and not the American people, the constitution, or the rule of law. That is what he was hired to do and we both know it.

The dufus should be blamed for a lot of the BS that's occurred

Tal you have spent years doing exactly that, so have others, and where has it got you? A dossier of crumbs and half facts and words that cannot be spoken. You lament the demise of your star chamber which accomplished only division

Now Clete don't be so gloomy. This too shall pass. We have survived worse.

Now Clete don't be so gloomy. This too shall pass. We have survived worse.

Yes there was Nixon, and Clinton, and Bush, and Obama

You skipped Reagan, and Carter, but that's okay you obviously have grasped the point of our survivability. We don't always look good doing it though. Believe it or not it can get quite ugly.

You skipped Reagan, and Carter, but that's okay you obviously have grasped the point of our survivability. We don't always look good doing it though. Believe it or not it can get quite ugly.


Yes, as we have observed

while they keep the facts from the public on what the Report actually says. nope the entire 400 page Mueller dossier was released except for some minimal redactions to comply with the law. What facts do you think are missing ?

There was never before a coupe attempt by an outgoing administration. IMO the only thing worse that this country endured was the fracture that resulted in the Civil War .

nope the entire 400 page Mueller dossier was released except for some minimal redactions to comply with the law. What facts do you think are missing ?

There was never before a coupe attempt by an outgoing administration. IMO the only thing worse that this country endured was the fracture that resulted in the Civil War .

Yes it was released to the public but who besides the wonks and political junkies has read it let alone knows what is in it? The only narrative have been from the dufus and his hired gun, Barr and that's No Collusion, No obstruction for more than a month. Congressional repubs are hollering Clinton and it's all over for the Mueller stuff.

No Tom, I don't think the facts are public yet, nor that repubs and especially the dufus want it to be.

maybe if they don't want to read the entirety of the Mueller dossier then perhaps they can read the 4 page letter from WH council Emmet Flood to Barr dated April 19 . It will enlighten them as to where the next phase of the investigation is going ;or at least one of the paths it will go .

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/02/politics/white-house-letter-to-ag-barr/index.html

To summarize ; it correctly call the Mueller dossier a political document .
Mueller produced “a prosecutorial curiosity - part ‘truth commission’ report and part law school exam paper”


What prosecutors are supposed to do is complete an investigation and then either ask the grand jury to return an indictment or decline to charge the case

“The Special Counsel and his staff failed in their duty to act as prosecutors and only as prosecutors”

It also calls out the leakers .


Government officials, with access to classified information derived from a counterintelligence investigation and from classified intelligence intercepts, engaged in a campaign of illegal leaks against the president,


It is important that the leakers are held accountable . The powers to collect foreign intelligence information are essential to the national defense . If the public believes the powers are there to be exploited for political purpose ,they are going to demand that Congress cut the powers back .This will weaken the ability to protect the country .I think we all can agree on that .

The Special Counsel and his staff failed in their duty to act as prosecutors and only as prosecutors”

The problem is the Special Council failed to act as persecutors

oh no ;he accomplished that beyond his wildest dreams . American hero and patriot Gen Michael Flynn had his life ,his fortune and his sacred honor ruined by Mueller's persecutorial excesses. Paul Manafort will rot in jail for his remaining days for tax issues that were brought to the government's attention more than a decade ago and considered of no concern . Rick Gates got taken down for similar concerns ;but he decided to cop a plea . Mueller also managed to indict a bunch of pajama boy Ruskies who will never see a day in court ;and Mueller knew that . But Mueller needed to put a Russian face on his work so he indicted them . He conducted fascist pre-dawn ,raids in swat like tactics with guns drawn on Manafort and Roger Stone when serving warrants would've been sufficient, Under his direction Michael Cohen's office and residence were raided in similar fashion .

Mueller as in the past conducted his investigation like a modern day cross between Inspector Javert and Inspector Clouseau . And just like the Anthrax case ;he focused on the wrong person(s) and made their existence a living hell.


Under Mueller’s management, the FBI launched an investigation lasting ten years focusing on another innocent flag waiving American patriot ;Dr Steven Hatfill .
The FBI spied on, follow, and harass him non-stop for years. The Department of Justice also publicly made the accusation that Hatfill was a possible terrorist.
Hatfill eventually successfully sued the government for its unlawful actions. He won almost $6 million dollars.

When Mueller eventually ran into a dead end and could no longer justify targeting Hatill ,he went after ANOTHER American patriot ;
Bruce Ivins .Ivins like Hatill was a wmd researcher for the military .He volunteered to help the FBI investigate the antrax case .
Ivins was never indicted, just given the Hatfill treatment. His house was raided, and he was threatened with a death sentence on the basis of innuendo and circumstantial evidence .


He committed suicide.

But dead men can't defend themselves . So Mueller stuck with the narrative that Ivins was the lone anthrax attacker .


The National Academy of Sciences, did an independent audit of the case ordered by Mueller .Their report stated that Mueller's conclusions and the science behind them were unfounded .A former FBI agent Richard Lambert sued the FBI charging that the FBI withheld exculpatory evidence to Ivens.Ivens died not knowing that Mueller had framed him.


Mueller didn’t go after al-Qaida for the anthrax letters because he couldn’t find a direct link. But then he targeted American citizens without showing a direct link.

For his deeds, he had the second longest tenure as FBI Director ever, and was roundly applauded by nearly everyone .

The cherry on the cake was he was able to be the potential point of the spear in an attempted coup against the constitutionally elected President .

All of which is why we need a small, well-focused federal government. Big government is not our friend, it is our enemy.

Russia interfered in our election and the dufus has yet to do anything and seems to want Vlad to interfere again to get him re elected, while he obstructs any opposition from revealing the facts. How much more lying do you righty conservatives need before you wake up? Obviously you REFUSE to read the report and left with the lies the dufus and his sycophants feed you.

Russia interfered in our election and the dufus has yet to do anything

Obama was pres during the election, so anything the Russkies did is on him.

Did nothing is your spin, not based in fact but let's see what has the dufus done in his two years? NOTHING but blast and ignore his intel community and tell the world Vlad had noting to do with the cyber war onslaught, and work actively to hide his actions and obstruct any investigation. Repubs being his willing sycophants the whole time.

How do you ignore these FACTS? Why have you not read the report for yourself?

Did nothing is your spin, not based in fact but let's see what has the dufus done in his two years?

If he did anything, it was plainly not effective. He was in office for 8 years and that was plenty of time to identify and stop any Russian interference. Didn't do a very good job, did he?

According to (former) Saint Mueller, there was no coordination between the Trump campaign and the Russians.

Even if no evidence is apparent what is FACT is the dufus and his campaign actually did have contact with Russian operatives and lied about it, the dufus knew of Russian interference and knew he could benefit from the hacking of the dems, wanted to stifle any look into that interference, by blasting the intel community, firing investigators, and tell the American people Vlad said he didn't do it and all of that is detailed in the report you refuse to read. That makes all your talking points on the subject devoid of facts and credibility. You can help your case if we stick to present facts and not deal with your "talking points" from the loony right dufus regurgitating low information wing of the red meat guzzling crowd.

Can't read or something?

for the record I did read the report and it does not support your conclusions in any way. The only way you could take obstruction out of it is if you fantasize and rewrite the obstruction laws by equating a desire to interfere in the investigation, or wishing he could as actual proof that he did .That was Mueller's conundrum. He thinks that Trump wanted to obstruct .So any action Trump did gets filtered through his desire to do so .Mueller knows the argument is as nonsensical as the one Comey gave us that Evita did not intend to break the law,therefore a reasonable prosecutor should not charge her .

Even if no evidence is apparent what is FACT

Facts but no evidence? What a strange system of justice you have.

I believe Pontius Pilot posed the question “Quid est veritas?”'what is truth' .(John 18:38) Truth is obvious for those who don't anchor their beliefs in relativism .

btw the emperor did do something about Russia .He told them to 'knock it off" .

He also closed embassies and expelled diplomats, and imposed sanctions a month later. The dufus crew told Vlad no worries don't retaliate. Before the election Slick Mitch threatened to use any disclosure of the Russian hacking against the dems remember? They still warned the states and offered federal assistance to find if their election systems were compromised. Nearly half the country was and the dufus was warned about Russian outreach and what did he do about that warning? Ignored them completely.

That alone was enough to justify looking at him and his campaign MUCH closer. Anything less would have been a dereliction of duty, by any bodies measure except the loons. Of course it was a witch hunt and the dufus crew and Vlad certainly fall into that category.

well there you have it ;the preconceived outcome and the effort to invent facts to prove it . Trump made no secret to the fact that he thought there should be improved relations with Russia . There are too many areas of common interests for us to be nose to nose holding our arsenals in hand .

It is just a ridiculous proposition to claim the Russians had any impact on the election .Don't believe me ? Ask the emperor .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cruh2p_Wh_4

This is all you need to know about the whole thing :


Lisa Page – He’s not ever going to become president, right? Right?!

Strzok - No. No he’s not. We’ll stop it.


IF you want to talk about colluding with the Russians then you need not look any further than the role of Fusion GPS with the Evita campaign . Let's start with the fact that former Brit intel officer Christopher Steele was hired by Fusion GPS after the Evita contracted with them ,though the law firm Perkins Coie ,and not while they briefly worked for some Republican candidates .
Perkins Coie paid FusionGPS a total of $1,024,408 on behalf of Hillary Clinton for the bogus Steele dossier. The dossier was passed off to mainstream journalists as an authentic KGB document and used by the emperor's DOJ to secure FISA warrants against domestic opponents. The misinformation in the anti-Trump dossier came from Steele's contacts in the Kremlin . Fusion GPS was also working for the Russian's interests in attempting to reverse the Magnitsky Act. More on that below



Fusion hired Nellie Ohr ;former CIA and wife of Bruce Ohr who was the emperor's Deputy AG .
In late May 2016 Nellie Ohr applied for a HAM radio license which would allow Nellie Ohr and Christopher Steele the ability to communicate outside the normal NSA electronic communication intercepts.Steele filed his first report - the infamous 'pee pee' memo June 20, 2016. Throughout July, August, and September 2016 Fusion GPS was paying journalists from the NY Slimes , ABC, NBC, Washington ComPost and others to listen to Christopher Steele who was shopping the dossier. (Court papers confirm payments. )Because the material was unverified, none of them cited the dossier or its source.Sometime around Thanksgiving 2016 Simpson met with Bruce Ohr while Trump was selecting his cabinet The two discussed the dossier, the FBI's Russia meddling investigation, and what Simpson considered the distressing development of Trump's victory. The bogus dossier had been in the hands of the FBI for some five months, and FISA surveillance had begun on Carter Page months earlier.

Fusion was hired to compile a dossier on Bill Browder ;a Brit banker who lobbied hard for the passage of the Magnitsky Act .Magnitsky ,an employee of Browder ,died in Russia under suspicious circumstance while investigating the loss of $350 million , Simpson ,working closely with Russian lawyer
Natalia Veselnitskaya, complied an anti-Browder dossier .Fusion GPS was paid
$523,651 for that effort ;
through the Russian Katsyv family.

and
Natalia Veselnitskaya ?

Well you remember her from the Trump Tower meeting .

Veselnitskaya was granted special immigration parole status by AG Loretta Lynch to represent Prevezon Holdings in an asset forfeiture agreement for $6 million with the U.S. government over a Russia money laundering suit on May 12, 2016. Veselnitskaya overstayed her immigration parole status to work for FusionGPS to illegally lobby for the repeal of Russian sanctions and the Magnitsky Act . Neither Veselnitskaya nor FusionGPS registered as Russian agents .
Veselnitskaya was later charged in US 2nd district for obstruction related to this case .

So what you have is the very firm that was hired by Evita to compile an anti-Trump op research dossier on Trump ;and hired an ex Brit spook ,who used his Russian contacts to create the dossier ,was also working on behalf of the Russian government as an unregistered foreign agent to lobby for the repeal of sanctions against Russia. There is your Russian collusion in a nut shell.


Veselnitskaya was working out of the offices of Cozen O'Connor ;a law firm run by an anti-Trump former official of the emperor's regime, Howard Schweitzer,who's super pac donated heavily to Evita's campaign.
Schweitzer lives in the same apartment building as James Comey’s friend Daniel Richman — who leaked classified information to the press on Comey’s behalf .

Glen Simpson dined with
Veselnitskaya the day before and the day after the Trump Tower meeting . At the meeting was Rinat Akhmetshin ,a former Soviet military veteran with ties to Russian intel.He also was lobbying heavily for the repeal of the Magnistsky Act.

The Trump Tower meeting was set up as a sting to entrap Don Jr and Jared Kushner. They lured them with the fiction that they had "dirt" on Evita . They instead wanted to discuss the repeal of sanctions related to the Magnitsky Act. When Kushner and Don Jr learned of the true reason for the meeting ,they quickly ended it .

Trump EXPANDED sanctions against Russia as a result of the Russian tampering .

https://www.vox.com/world/2018/9/20/17883552/trump-russia-sanctions-mueller-caatsa


He signed into law the 'Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act'. The act provides For The Sanctioning Of Russia For Activities Such As Cyber Security, Corruption, Human Rights Abuse, Sanctions Evasion, And Arms Transfers To Syria.





and for it's invasion of Ukraine

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2018-08-21/uk-asks-for-more-us-sanctions-on-russia-after-poisoning-case

He also authorized the sale of lethal wepons to Ukraine to combat the Russian invasion ;something the emperor opposed .

He ordered attacks on Russian interests in Syria ;attacks that killed hundreds of Russian troops .

Trump expelled 60 Russian diplomats following the poisoning of former KGB agent Sergei Skripal .


Trump sanctioned numerous Russian actors for violating non-proliferation laws by supporting weapons programs in Iran and Syria, and supporting North Korea's development of weapons of mass destruction.



As a part of its sanctions against Russia, the United States has prevented numerous companies from partnering with Russian offshore oil projects, denying these projects access to capital and key resources.
The Trump Administration has also opposed the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, which could generate hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue for Russia.


The U.S. has increased troops and its military capability in Eastern Europe and dramatically increased training and drills with NATO .Due to pressure fromTrump ,NATO allies have increased defense expenditures by five percent.





There are many more examples of this proving that IF Putin thought he was going to get a patsy poodle in the White House by helping Trump win the election ;he was sorely mistaken .

Seems like a pretty good analysis. Thanks for the info.

So there is a huge plot by Russians, politicians, and law enforcement to set up the dufus that's been going on for many years and Mueller decided to join in. Is that what you're trying to sell me?

It was not the whole law enforcement establishment . It was a cabal of senior level FBI ,CIA ,national security leaders in the emperor's regime ,along with some international players who did not want Trump elected primarily for what he was saying about NATO .
Yes Mueller went along with it . He was a long time associate of fired FBI Director Comey . The truth is that Mueller should've recused himself for that reason alone. As it turns out ; Mueller had already agreed to accept the Special Council position BEFORE he had an interview with Trump as a candidate to replace Comey. Instead he went on the interview where he and Trump engaged in potentially all types of information related to the upcoming investigation without informing Trump that he was going to take the position of Special Investigator .Then he packed his staff with some of the very conspirators who led the coup attempt (let's call it what it was )
I have already documented examples in Mueller's history where he has knowingly had no qualms about going after innocent people .

That's a great one sided analogy, not entirely accurate though, but unfortunately for the dufus, his side is being revealed and its dirty as hell. LOL, HC's biggest mistake was not asking China for the dufus tax returns.

That's a great one sided analogy, not entirely accurate though, but unfortunately for the dufus, his side is being revealed and its dirty as hell. LOL, HC's biggest mistake was not asking China for the dufus tax returns.

But you should have asked Assange, he could get them for you if you removed the trumped up charges against him

but unfortunately for the Don, his side is being revealed and its dirty as hell.

But it's just life. There is no right no wrong there's just life... life is life.

You keep bringing up "Dirty Don," as if he is suppose to be punished for being a scurvy Dog. He's the Don, he's untouchable. Don't bother yourself with all this Malarkey. A house divided will fall... get ready for it.

But you should have asked Assange, he could get them for you if you removed the trumped up charges against him

Maybe Vlad has them already. If Nancy would ask him nicely...or maybe he will take a plea deal, or a condo...or rat Vlad out...we know what happens when you rat Vlad out!


But it's just life. There is no right no wrong there's just life... life is life.

You keep bringing up "Dirty Don," as if he is suppose to be punished for being a scurvy Dog. He's the Don, he's untouchable. Don't bother yourself with all this Malarkey. A house divided will fall... get ready for it.

Please don't use quotes when you change the words, that's just bad form. The dufus is not just life he is our prez and head of government, Presidents are not above the law.

Please don't use quotes when you change the words, that's just bad form.

I don't think that was an actual quote, didn't have the, https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/custom/vgo/images/misc/quote_icon.pngOriginally Posted by talanimanhttps://www.askmehelpdesk.com/custom/vgo/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/mueller-dossier-released-844575-5.html#post3834480). My apologies anyway.


The dufus is not just life he is our prez and head of government

Than treat him as such!



Presidents are not above the law.
No; the elite are above the law.

But it's just life. There is no right no wrong there's just life... life is life.

Walter, that philosophy only works when Tal is trying to explain his position on abortion.

I don't think that was an actual quote, didn't have the, https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/custom/vgo/images/misc/quote_icon.pngOriginally Posted by talanimanhttps://www.askmehelpdesk.com/custom/vgo/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/mueller-dossier-released-844575-5.html#post3834480). My apologies anyway.



Than treat him as such!



No; the elite are above the law.

So I should not express my grievance against MY government, using the same language MY president does? I disagree with the elites or the most elite are above the law.



Walter, that philosophy only works when Tal is trying to explain his position on abortion.

I explained my positions very well and it matters not whether you agree or don't. You have no trouble expressing your positions whether I agree or not do you?

I explained my positions very well.


I agree you explained your positions very well, particularly Trump screeching his tweets for 3 years about Russia having no influence on the election. I especially liked you adding that his present love affair with Putin is to encourage Russia to interfere again in the 2020 election so that Trump will win again.

Only a brain-challenged idiot could believe that Russia did not interfere in the 2016 election. Maybe the interference was just enough to tip those critical areas necessary for Trump to win. Watch for even greater sophistication come 2020. Time for the US to ratchet up its cyber defenses.

all you have to do is listen to the words of ultra-liberal journalist Glen Greenwald.


"How is it that our discourse has been drowned out for almost three years by a conspiracy theory or really a set of conspiracy theories as inflammatory and as dangerous as you can possibly get? That turned out to be totally untrue. Who started this conspiracy theory? How are the vast invasive powers of the FBI, NSA and CIA used to spy and infiltrate a campaign and spy on American citizens in the name of a conspiracy?"






"You want to talk about threats to democracy? How about spying on and listening in on the calls of American citizens by convincing a FISA Court that they are Russian agents, when then you unleash a prosecutor for 22 months who concludes that they aren't Russian agents, that there's no evidence to suggest that that was the case. That's the real scandal and that's where the investigation is now going to turn and that's why there's panicking about Bill Barr because they know that he is going to unflinchingly pursue that,"

So you are saying the intel community lied about the probable cause for surveillance on Carter Page 4 times? I don't know about you Tom, but taking the word of the dufus or any of his associates goes against common sense for anyone. Need I remind you of the words of King Reagan, "Trust, but verify"?

Who do you think he was referring too?

you don't ? You said the world's intel agencies lied about WMD in Iraq.

The comments I quote come from Glen Greenwald ;a journalist who has no love of Trump and is a lifetime progressive . He can't believe the compliant press fell for the steaming pile of manure that the Obots fed them.

The opinion of any journalist is subject to verification. I'll wait for the current process to play out.

Meanwhile, since you like progressive journalism

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/opinions-trumps-new-effort-to-muzzle-mueller-gives-away-his-big-scam/ar-AAAYByq?ocid=spartanntp

He is already scheduled to testify to the House Judiciary ;and Linsey Graham indicated he would testify in the Senate too. I'm suprised you still take Trump's tweets as Gospel truth .

I never read them I heard they were full of lies.

Jerry Nadler wants to hold AG Barr in contempt for refusing to commit a felony releasing protected Grand Jury testimony; how dumb is that? Jerry come back to earth . It's the law ;a law CONGRESS passed . All you have to do is pass a law that makes disclosing Grand Jury testimony legal . But you like the grandstanding even though you suck at it . You think you can roll AG Barr ? Candice Owens ate your lunch .

It's not a felony if he and the house agree and get a judge to okay the release. I can't blame this administration for stalling and not getting the truth out there. Everybody knows the dufus is a lying cheating crook even repubs who are in on this con job. I'd stall too if the truth would cost me the election and a bunch of money. Or we start talking about the dufus and his foreign ties giving him money hand over fist without the approval of the congress.

Oh you didn't know what the big stall and distraction is all about? Obstruction is the least of his worries, as Slick Mitch and the repubs are shaking in their boots about losing the senate next fall. Go ahead, keep stalling, obstructing, distracting, lying and cheating while Prez dufus, strives to survive. Personally I would just call the bluff and start official impeachment proceedings.

that would be a perfect plan to get Trump reelected . I think the real strategy is to attempt to discredit Barr before he blows the spygate story wide open. When that happens the Dem propaganda machine will no longer control the narrative .

The Slimes already is breaking ,reporting that
multiple overseas intelligence assets were deployed against members of the Trump campaign.

The story details how a honey pot was sent overseas under a fake name and occupation to be the operative . The woman’s real name is not mentioned in the article. The story says she went by “Azra Turk” and has a relationship with an unidentified federal intelligence agency.Running the operation was Stefan Halper .


George Papadopoulos was Turk's mark .Papadopoulos claims she was CIA and not FBI.

The slimes also admits that the aggressive and unprecedented action of deploying spies and luring American targets overseas to collect intelligence on a rival political campaign “yielded no fruitful information.” You can be assured that whatever was plumbed in her meetings with him was used to justify FISA warrants however .
Barr was adamant that Mueller’s investigation be unimpeded and his report fully published.But he scared the anti-Trump forces in and out of government when he said spying on opposing political campaigns is inappropriate. His public vow to examine whether the widespread spying operation against Trump and his affiliates was lawful and appropriate has sent shock waves and those responsible are beginning their CYAs





https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/02/us/politics/fbi-government-investigator-trump.html#click=https://t.co/oHqt5LAdVs


Just wait until the Mifsud story drops.

Popodapolous and his wife have ben making the media rounds ginning up interest for that meme for a while now. Besides the Barr lies, I expect the Dufus finances to be the headlines for a while, since it is silly season, in addition to the slow moving court cases from the just say no responses to congressional dems, while his flunkies and sycophants circle the wagons. Repubs are terrified at what shoe will drop next. They desperately want this to go away before the details of the Mueller report become more wide spread.

700 former government lawyers are making a case for charges stemming from that report exposing another dufus lie... NO COLLUSION... NO OBSTRUCTION. Plenty of time for a bombshell to explode. The real question will be can Slick Mitch survive or will he be collateral damages if he keeps hollering CASE CLOSED, and it ain't! His hands are all over the Russian interference cover up since the beginning.

Seriously ? are the 700 saying Mueller lied ?Among the 700 are Democrats Senator Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn ) and Rep. Katheleen Rice (D-Mass.), a former prosecutor in the U.S. attorney's office in Philadelphia. Haven't studied all the names on the list . I'm guessing most of them came out of heavy Democrat district or local courts .

I bet Mueller doesn't testify unless he is compelled to do so .

The real investigation has to be about the origin /genesis of spygate . I am beginning to think the FBI played second fiddle to the CIA . Clearly what happened to Papadopoulos was a set up entrapment . Under old Church committee reforms this was never supposed to happen again. Forgetting Barr ,the FBI ,the IG ;I believe there needs to be an independent commission appointed by both Houses of Congress and the President to investigate this and it needs to be done immediately . The commission should be bi-partisan . Clearly there are reforms that need to be done. We are still fighting GWOT and there can not be a cloud of suspicion about our law enforcement and intelligence agencies (or for that matter the IRS or any other institution that can be weaponized against political opponents . )
Had any other President picked up the phone to discuss world events with the Russian leader no one would've even questioned that as appropriate . But Trump talks to Putin and you guys polish up your tin foil hats . This whole thing is impeding the President's ability to conduct foreign policy at a very dangerous time . NO American should be happy about that .

LOL, they are just 700 opinions speaking their minds but have no other standing in my book so who they are and the political affiliations don't matter much to me other than they are speaking out. Now we can wait for the IG report, and the soon to be released Intell committee report, and speculate in the meantime, but it's a lesson in the rule and process of law that will have no quick end, fascinating though it is.

If nothing else the dufus ain't dull for sure, but I think he is as crooked as they come, but that's just my opinion. We disagree how this started and about some of the events that came after, but I suspect that will be cleared up too. There are so many moving parts Tom, both foreign and domestic, any one of them can explode on us. Regardless I ain't having any sympathy for the liar in chief at this time.

If he can't pass his test, then he will be like Carter and a few others in history as far as I'm concerned. Looks like court is the next stop.

PS

I ain't buying the nothing to see here move along for one minute.

Amazing how Mueller was the elder son for the democrats until he finished his investigation and found that there was no collusion with the Russians. So, as it turns out, there was, indeed, "nothing to see here". Good luck with obstruction.

The party ought to heed the advice of Madame Mim if you ask me . But I think the crazies in the party will force the Dems to go the whole impeachment route .

Right now it is more like a show trial .That idiotic contempt vote being the latest example .If Barr actually did comply with their request to release the whole Mueller dossier unredacted then Barr would next be accused of breaking the law. He worked with Mueller carefully to redact only what was absolutely necessary .


So let me get this straight . Nadler says that Barr is breaking the law by refusing to break the law . Dem logic . The Dems MAY have a shot at getting a court waver on 6(e) (passed by Congress) IF there were formal impeachment proceedings then maybe a court order could be considered .

This is not serious. It is the height of political desperation on full display.

No doubt the Dems will use today's decision of executive privilege as more proof of obstruction even though every President since Kennedy has invoked it (ie the emperor used it
in order to withhold DOJ documents related to his gun running during Operation Fast and Furious ).Bubba made a regular habit of it .

Amazing how Mueller was the elder son for the democrats until he finished his investigation and found that there was no collusion with the Russians. So, as it turns out, there was, indeed, "nothing to see here". Good luck with obstruction.


Show me where it says there was no collusion. We've had the conversation before. He found no evidence of CONSPIRACY and said it was because nobody would cooperate. He did his job, good for him and that was expected. Unfortunately you righties don't want the congress to do theirs. So it's on. Good luck to you guys too, you may need it before it's over.

Dufus Jr refused to appear before the SENATE (REPUBS!) Intell committee after a subpoena was issued.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/08/politics/trump-jr-subpoena-senate-intelligence/index.html

The plot thickens.

He found no evidence of CONSPIRACY and said it was because nobody would cooperate.

Are the non-cooperating people the same ones the dems say demonstrate there was obstruction?

The party ought to heed the advice of Madame Mim if you ask me . But I think the crazies in the party will force the Dems to go the whole impeachment route .

Right now it is more like a show trial .That idiotic contempt vote being the latest example .If Barr actually did comply with their request to release the whole Mueller dossier unredacted then Barr would next be accused of breaking the law. He worked with Mueller carefully to redact only what was absolutely necessary .


So let me get this straight . Nadler says that Barr is breaking the law by refusing to break the law . Dem logic .
The Dems MAY have a shot at getting a court waver on 6(e) (passed by Congress) IF there were formal impeachment proceedings then maybe a court order could be considered .

This is not serious. It is the height of political desperation on full display.

No doubt the Dems will use today's decision of executive privilege as more proof of obstruction even though every President since Kennedy has invoked it (ie the emperor used it
in order to withhold DOJ documents related to his gun running during Operation Fast and Furious ).Bubba made a regular habit of it .



Don't get excited it's just the next step, between the two factions. Dems are in no hurry either, quiet as it's kept.



Are the non-cooperating people the same ones the dems say demonstrate there was obstruction?


Doesn't appear to be, you'll have to read VolII of the report.

Trump Jr testified for 9 hrs already ;and the Mueller dossier says he's too stupid to be a conspirator . They want to clarify about the Trump tower meeting /set up ;and the negotiations to build a Trump Tower in Moscow . Maybe they will parse his previous testimony . But it is clear that 1.the Trump Tower meeting was a sting as I previously detailed ;and 2. Trump and co, had no expectation of winning the election so they continued to conduct Trump family business. Only swamp critters have the luxury of being paid by the taxpayer to run for office

We will eventually account for all the money and antics, no matter what obstacles the dufus comes up with. That blanket privilege crap will only go so far for so long. A lot can happen between now and election day, and this Iran thing looks a lot like the new Iraq/Afghan thing all over again. We'll see.

Has anyone, perhaps tal, thought that the demonrats are clutching at straws, they have been played, redact the supposed juicy parts, suppress the document that they have already been told is inconclusive, or more appropriately doesn't contain what they are looking for, and they rage, thinking that they have been contempted, but, you cannot contempt the contemptable, and meanwhile, nothing gets done, their program remains in tatters. If anyone is in contempt it is the demonrats for the law.

The Congressional committee is not a Grand Jury whatever it might think it is

How amusing, keep listening to those dufuscraps. Loud but liars, but AGAIN they have clogged up the toilet with loads of BS. The swamp is steadily rising.

How amusing, keep listening to those dufuscraps. Loud but liars, but AGAIN they have clogged up the toilet with loads of BS. The swamp is steadily rising.

Yes it is full of demonrats

I suspect you'd fit right in no problem.

No, I avoid big cities and scumbags. I left the city in what we call a treechange in 1980

In his 1997 book ‘The Art of the Comeback’ Donald Trump details how he lost over a billion dollars in the early 90’s. The NYSlimes ran it this week claiming it was some kind of ‘exclusive’ report.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/05/07/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html

In fact ;during the debates with Evita he was asked about taking the losses off his taxes and he basically bragged about using the tax laws for the write offs . He still brags about it .

In his 1997 book ‘The Art of the Comeback’ Donald Trump details how he lost over a billion dollars in the early 90’s. The NYSlimes ran it this week claiming it was some kind of ‘exclusive’ report.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/05/07/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html

In fact ;during the debates with Evita he was asked about taking the losses off his taxes and he basically bragged about using the tax laws for the write offs . He still brags about it .




Tax is a fallacy, something for the common man, the elites wrote the laws so it wouldn't apply to them. Tax should be on gross revenue, not some illusionary Net Profit, then all would pay their fair share and the budget would no longer be in deficit.

I have no problem with that ;a flat tax for everyone ;no write offs . But Trump lived in the world created for him . He did not write the Federal or NYS tax laws . He just learned how to legally exploit it . He admitted he lost a $ billion in the 1st showing of 'The Apprentice '

https://youtu.be/jx9cMuMb2pk

But the Slimes calls their reporting 'blockbuster '

what is blockbusting is that the FBI KNEW the Steele Dossier was a fraud before they submitted it as evidence to obtain FISA warrants to spy on the Trump campaign .

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/442944-fbis-steele-story-falls-apart-false-intel-and-media-contacts-were-flagged

In order to get a FISA warrant you must show probable cause. In order to get it renewed 4 times with four judges, you must have ADDITIONAL probable cause. No, you cannot just keep resubmitting the same cause over and over again and get additional renewals. That dog just don't hunt, even if the Steele Dossier was the ORIGINAL source of the original request. I doubt that alone would be sufficient on it's own, despite what has been said by Page and conservative news circles. Willing to bet his past involvements where also a part of the original warrant submissions.

The dufus does a lot of things right in your face and has a history of it. I guess since not enough people have read his books, they took credit for reading it themselves, LOL, but his history, words, and behavior should be a big red flag that MORE investigations and regulations are sorely needed NOW.

That's against his latest antic of sending Rudy to the Ukraine to get dirt on Bidens son. Well he got away (SO FAR) with Russian links and contacts with the dufus and his sycophants, so why not just announce this latest contact with a foreign government to advance his re election campaign. Even you must acknowledge his exploitive instincts are off the chain, but I suspect you enjoy the DUFUS SHOW on many levels.

Their case to the court excluded key relevent information .
The FBI never informed the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of the dossier's Democratic benefactors or Steele's anti-Trump bias when it applied to spy on Page. And you see nothing wrong with that ? Even Comey was calling it unverified . Comey fired Steele .

I can state that in our system there is nothing worse than abusing the FISA system because the person being surveilled is denied due process throughout the course of the investigation. You know and I know that denials are rarely granted when the government asks for a FISA warrant . The understanding however has to be that the information and probable cause has to be solid and unimpeachable .

We also know that the Obots routinely and historically abused the process BEFORE the investigation of Trump's campaign. Let's not forget MYSTIC .

Please explain or show where you got your assertions from. Who is or what is mystic?

I guess you did not hear about Snowden's leaks .Mystic was the NSA collecting metadata. 250 million people world wide had their phones tapped . It targeted 5 countries ;the Philippines, Kenya Mexico. In Afghanistan and the Bahamas they recorded every call and kept the recording for a minimum of a month.It was launched in the emperor's first year . . There was also MUSCULAR .All they did was intercept data between users and Google . Then there was OPTIC NERVE . All they did was secretly snoop on Yahoo webcam chats. There were others too like tapping into undersea fiber optic cables .


On May 24, 2017, a declassified FISA report was published, noting that the NSA routinely violated the 4th Amendment of Americans and abused intelligence tools to do so. The emperor's regime disclosed the problems at a closed door hearing on Oct. 26 before the FISC, two weeks before the 2016 election. The report labeled the matter a “very serious Fourth Amendment issue," citing an "institutional lack of candor" on the part of the administration. It also criticized the NSA as having “disregard” for rules and “deficient” oversight.
More than 5 percent,of the NSA’s Section 702 requests and approvals violated the safeguards the emperor vowed to follow in 2011. In addition, there was a 3 fold increase in NSA data searches about Americans and a rise in the unmasking of U.S. person’s identities in intelligence reports after the administration loosened privacy rules in 2011.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article152948259.html


The FISA report also indicated hundreds of incidences in which the FBI illegally shared raw surveillance data illegally obtained by the NSA with private entities.

That would be more compelling if we trusted the dufus and repubs, who in my mind have no credibility unless it's verified extensively. Not that the dufus was any more credible than Bush II, or King Reagan on the subject, but 911 sort of changed a lot of things. As long as Snowden is still a guest of the state in Russia, screw him too. Screw the dufus period for attacking everybody that had a part into investigating him and Russia. Probable cause in plain site, and that goes double for right wing hero Carter Page. Even Strzok and page's personal conversations are evidence of conspiracy? Really?

I'm no fan of law enforcement but the dufus and the right wing are off the chain in antics and questionable behavior. Hecj, Rudy is going to the Ukraine for dirt, but nothing to see here folks, cased closed.

Commercial over, you may return to dufus tv now.

I told you about Biden's collusions a long time ago . He and his son never spent time in jail for being unregisterd foreign agents right ?

Rudy is NOT going to Ukraine.

Did Joe Biden meddle in Ukraine politics to protect his son who was eyeball deep in corruption there ? yes . Biden actually was the point man for the emperor to steer $1.8 billion to Ukraine. Meanwhile Hunter Biden got a no show job with a Ukraine energy company that paid him $3.1 million .

But this Ukraine prosecutor General Viktor Shokin decided to investigate. Biden has already proudly admitted that he bullied Ukraine into firing Shokin by threatening to withhold the US money .

Another prosecutor is investigating members of Parliament who colluded with Evita by releasing damaging information about Paul Manafort .
There is a new Pres. of Ukraine and Rudy originally was going there to get assurances that the new President did not end the Evita collusion probe. Rudy backed off last night .

There is a lot more to learn about Biden. As an example …...why is he saying that China is not a threat ? It is a bizarre statement even by Biden's standards .Could it be that an equity firm owned by Hunter Biden and Chris Heinz (step son of John Kerry) teamed up with another firm headed by James Bulger, the nephew of the Boston mob hitman James “Whitey” Bulger ? Together they peddled their connections to Biden and Kerry to obtain lucrative opportunities in China .


As a start up company they made contacts that were unheard of for companies their size . Hunter while on diplomatic trips with his father managed to create a $1 billion investment fund with the Bank of China called the
Bohai Harvest RST (BHR).The fund enjoyed an unusual and special status in China.Funds were backed by the Chinese government.


The Chinese government was literally funding a business that it co-owned along with the sons of two of America’s most powerful decision makers.
Together with the Chinese government young Biden and Heinz made a series of deals.... .Some of them having national security implications .

In 2015, BHR joined forces with a subsidiary of the Chinese state owned military aviation contractor Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC) to buy American “dual-use” parts manufacturer Henniges.AVIC is a major military contractor in China. It operates under the direct control of the State Council and produces a wide array of fighter and bomber aircraft, transports, and drones; primarily designed to compete with the United States.The company also has a long history of stealing Western technology and applying it to military systems. The year before BHR joined with AVIC, it had stolen technologies related to the F-35 stealth fighter and incorporated them in their own stealth fighter, the J-31. AVIC has also been accused of stealing US drone systems and using them to produce their own.
In September 2015, when AVIC bought 51 percent of Henniges, the other 49 percent was purchased by BHR.

Are you related to Vlad? You have all the dirt on the dems for decades, but nary a peep on the repubs. Oh wait, that's my job! Rudy chickened out! He was probably blowing smoke as usual, or somebody pulled his coat. Meanwhile the Russians are invading Ky.

http://www.therepublic.com/2019/04/15/us-kentucky-project-russia/

You think the Vlad ain't happy with Mitch and the dufus?

did you see that Comey at a town hall meeting said it was 'totally normal to plant a FBI spy in an opposing political campaign. How many other campaigns did they infiltrate ? Cruz ? Ben Carson's ? Bolshevik Bernie ? (after all Bernie is an admirer of the Soviet system ) . Now he proudly admits spying and electronic surveillance on Trump .

But when Trump tweeted that he was being "wire tapped " during the election . Comey went running to the NY Slimes to discredit Trump's claim . And the Slimes of course complied
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/05/us/politics/trump-seeks-inquiry-into-allegations-that-obama-tapped-his-phones.html

the deep state rats are pointing the finger j'accuse at each other . Comey told his staff in an email 2016 that CIA Director Brennan insisted that the fake Steele dossier be included in the national assessment on Russian interference . The CIA is saying the Comey wanted it in and that Brennan and DNA James Clapper objected . I'm actually in agreement with Comey on this one . It is more probable that the sting on the Trump campaign originated from commie Brennan.

I have a feeling that this is going to blow up in the dems faces. Sad to say, Washington is so corrupt that it is discouraging. The few honest people, like Trey Gowdy, dislike it so much that they get out of town.

Whetether it was in or out makes no difference since the history of the dufus and his business ties and practices makes him a high target for scrutiny whether he was running for president or not. You didn't need the intell community to vet this guy, but repubs did a lousy job in the first place. I blame the dems also for not getting the turnout to keep him in NY in the first place, and repubs for lining up behind him no matter what he does. That's just politics in America.

That's why repubs have little choice but to protect him now because they sure can't go against him, and stay in Washington, now can they?

yes the Republican party is pretty much the Trump party now.

Sorry but there has to be some serious accounting for the Dems attempt to steal the election. It's too bad it took so long to get John Durham involved to get to the bottom of the genesis of this Russia hoax .



The Mueller report did not find a criminal conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin to influence the 2016 presidential election. It’s time we find what this was really all about.

LOL, are we forgetting the dufus and Vlad may have stolen the election first. Maybe the dems are justified in stealing it back from the corrupt crime boss that has caused chaos on many fronts both foreign and domestic with the arrogance and impunity of a dictator. There is a case to be made still for collusion if not out and out conspiracy, but having read the Mueller report, I know whose lying, and whose not, and that's without the redacted areas.

I can't blame repubs or the dufus for spinning this the way they have and fighting to keep it out of the public domain at large. They have an awful lot to lose if the dems pull the impeachment trigger. That Barr is a very slick fellow by far, and is the ONLY reason this cover up is still covered up however I doubt even he can save the dufus even if he manages to get re elected.

Repubs just don't have a better play at this point.

That Barr is a very slick fellow by far, and is the ONLY reason this cover up is still covered up however I doubt even he can save the dufus even if he manages to get re elected.

We'll see how it goes, but I have a feeling that when the REAL cover-up gets uncovered, it is a bunch of dems that are going to be footing the bill.

They have an awful lot to lose if the dems pull the impeachment trigger

Umm Trump wants them to use the impeachment card . Pelosi knows how disastrous that would be for the Dems .

I'm not so sure about that since the senate would have no choice but to hear all the evidence along with the public, and not just rely on the words and spin of the dufus or Barr. I have seen bullies use the "hit me punk" routine on scared people before. Or "I dare you to knock the chip off my shoulder" tactic. I think Nancy should take her best shot if he keeps asking for it.

The dufus should be careful what he asks for, he may get it.

Repubs just don't have a better play at this point.

I'm sure this play will end in favor of the Repubs...the Dems have no hand.

Meanwhile we continue to engulf ourselves in this (scripted) reality show... When Lies Became Reality

When truth is blurred by lies and misinformation, perception becomes reality and all is lost.

so who is Vyacheslav Trubnikov and Vladislav Surkov ?

Once a spy always a spy, why would you think spies don't know each other or give up their political connections?

Who they are are spies on Putin's payroll who fed Steele the information that went into the dossier .The US is victim of a disinformation campaign and the US intel ;law enforcement and press all fell for it . And that is the kindest thing I can say about that because I'm not convinced there weren't people in Evita's campaign and the emperor's regime who weren't co conspirators . At very least they were willing enablers .

It could go either way since everybody knows the game, but you would have to verify it just on GP before you stuck your neck out right? Carter Paige had enough history without the dossier to get a warrant though, so I disagree that it's the only thing they had to get it, and have it renewed 3 addition times. Obviously it's enough for the right to chomp on it, and call foul though, but lets be real, the right doesn't need much to holler foul about...louder and LOUDER, and over and OVER again, and AGAIN.

The birther movement is proof of that.

it is what they submitted to the court . Given the fact that the defendant doesn't have the same rights in FISC as one has in a regular court ;it is up to the FBI to guarantee the evidence used to obtain the warrant has to be verified . AND Comey admitted on email that it was NOT verified . It should never had been submitted as evidence for the warrant .

Carter Page's "history " was that he assisted the FBI in catching Russian spy Evgeny Buryakov . The Russians had tried to recruit Page in 2013 . But Page helped the FBI nail Buryakov prior to Page joining the Trump campaign . The only reason the FBI 'tapped' Page was to have ears inside the Trump campaign ;and to build a false narrative of Russians compromising Trump.


Brennan, Clapper, Comey, McCabe, and others are now pointing fingers at one another, because they have come to realize that their prior actions may not be rewarded, praised, or even excused, but rather prosecuted:

Nice theory, but short on data, especially when it comes to those FISA warrants. Barr's opinion and so called investigation not withstanding Rosenstein is available for questioning by Barr, and an IG report is supposedly forthcoming so all this speculation and spin is a useless exercise in futility, until FACTS can be made public by the experts. Meanwhile the court has ordered Dufus financials to be turned over...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/federal-judge-sides-with-house-democrats-over-subpoena-for-trumps-financial-records/ar-AABE1wa?ocid=spartanntp

...and a conservative repub has sided with the dems on obstruction even though the repubs and dufus has blasted him for it.

I would expect nothing less from a judge appointed by the emperor; and a donor to the emperor's ; Biden's , and Beto O'Rourke's campaign .

https://www.opensecrets.org/donor-lookup/results?name=Amit+Mehta


Of course he sided with Elijah 's fishing expedition .


Cummings based his subpoena on testimony given from Michael Cohen, who has been convicted of lying to Congress. Trump will lose on appeal too because Merrick Garland runs the DC Circus Court . It is questionable that SCOTUS will hear the case.

The convicted liar Cohen asserted that Trump deflated the value of his assets to avoid taxes . Is he asserting then that the accounting firm
Mazars was complicit in filing false financials ?

Judge Mehta wrote in his opinion that he knows that once the House Dems get their hands on the records that they will leak them and the only real purpose to seeking these records was for political fodder .



That said, the court is not naïve to reality—a reality confirmed by the fact that the Oversight Committee has said that the decision whether to make the records public lies within its discretion.
See
Hr’g Tr. at 59. Thus, there is a chance that some records obtained from Mazars will become public soon after they are produced.

https://www.scribd.com/document/410858211/DCD-Trump-Financial-Records-Ruling-1

Should be interesting ...based on this precedence ,Judicial Watch will go to town seeking multiple financial records of Democrats .Madam Mim's would be a good start …..or maybe the Clintoons .

and a conservative repub has sided with the dems on obstruction even though the repubs and dufus has blasted him for it.




Every conservative ,including me, at some point, is going to disagree with Trump about something. There’s nothing unusual about that because we’re not automatons. But calling for his impeachment after his Rights were violated by police-state opponents IS NOT a “principled position.” Even never Trumper Mitt Romney is defending Trump on this one .

Repubs and the public defended Tricky until the facts came out through hearings. This was after his landslide re election. We know how THAT turned out.

This isn't Watergate because as the Special Council detailed ;there was no underlying crime The Dems are actually delusional enough to think that an audit company with the prestige of Mazars would risk their reputation and put themselves in legal jeopardy by signing off on any financial statement that wasn't up and up .Just yesterday Goldman Sachs chose Mazars to audit it's European operation .

You don't NEED an underlying crime for impeachment, and Mazars is hardly the only financial institution cooperating with congress. Some not as reputable as others. A judge just ruled the dufus has no argument against congress getting financials, though to no surprise we have his lawyers appealing that decision.

There is no legislative justification for Congress to be prying into Trump's finances . It is just more investigation in search of a crime instead of having a crime 1st . Of course Trump is going to appeal because it is a terrible ruling by an activist Obot . There is absolutely no compelling reason that the turning over of the documents cannot be delayed until the appeals process carries out. And yet Judge Mehta gave a deadline date for Mazars to comply. The irony I guess is that Judge Garland will most likely hear the appeal and rule on a stay.

If nothing else, a rule to release tax returns when running for federal office, including federal judges is a good outcome, and given the KNOWN Russian cyber attacks and the KNOWN past business practices and civil court case outcomes of the dufus, only a fool would trust his word without verification that he isn't a crook, in bed with foreign dictators, or owing a foreign power. Legislatively the congress has as much power as the executive branch, plus nobody listened to the dems when the repub house investigated Benghazi and emails MULTIPLE times and got squat, so it's pretty hypocritical to say dems are out of bounds investigating the dufus.

It's also pretty hypocritical for conservatives to question dem appointed judges and turn around and expect repub appointed judges to rule in their favor this time. In addition we have the specter of Duetsche Bank hanging ominously in the background. Just because the repub house failed to look into all this stuff the idea that a dem house should not is preposterous.

Nice try though.

Congress does NOT have the power to subpoena the financial records of the President on the word of someone convicted of lying to Congress on the very issue .The rule is that they must have a compelling legislative reason to do so . There is a separation of power.

It is not hypocritical at all because Judge Mehta showed his partisan biases in the very 1st paragraph of his ruling (it is only 40 page . Took me less than a hour) . His unbiased ruling compared Trump to James Buchanan ;the President who presided over the dissolution of the Union and did nothing about it .

It wasn't just on Cohens words that the House is investigating financial records, because Cohen brought those documents with him to back up his testimony.

https://oversight.house.gov/sites/democrats.oversight.house.gov/files/documents/Mazars%20dist%20ct%20opinion.pdf


19. Specifically, Cohen stated that, in his experience, “Mr. Trump inflated his total assets when it
served his purposes . . . and deflated his assets to reduce his real estate taxes.” Id. Cohen supplied
the Oversight Committee with portions of the President’s Statements of Financial Condition from 2011, 2012, and 2013, some of which were signed by Mazars.14

It wasn't just on Cohens words that the House is investigating financial records, because Cohen brought those documents with him to back up his testimony.

https://oversight.house.gov/sites/democrats.oversight.house.gov/files/documents/Mazars%20dist%20ct%20opinion.pdf


so a tax return is only going to state values, where is the evidence of actual valuation, if they are calling Trump a liar and a cheat, where is the proof since we have heard all that before and it isn't something he has done in office, well maybe, but again no proof. What you are calling for here is an investigation of the Trump smoke and mirrors business. I doubt any politician can stand up straight there

do you really think Trump used Cohen for anything more than paying off non-disclosure agreements with porn stars ? Trump had a staff of real lawyers at his beconing from major firms . I assure you he did not allow that slip and fall former taxi scammer anywhere near the inner sanctum of his financial world . Anything Cohen had Mueller already saw .

do you really think Trump used Cohen for anything more than paying off non-disclosure agreements with porn stars ? Trump had a staff of real lawyers at his beconing from major firms . I assure you he did not allow that slip and fall former taxi scammer anywhere near the inner sanctum of his financial world . Anything Cohen had Mueller already saw .

It matters naught to me Tom, it is all smoke and mirrors. Someone like Trump would compartmentalise his business affairs

LOL Tom, we only know of two side ladies that got paid. Are you saying there's more of 'em? Wonder what Cohen did for 12 years the dufus employed him besides a BUNCH of criminal stuff? We already know he may be tied to some unethical loan practices at Duetsche Bank in collusion with Russian money laundering. No telling what him and Vlad are cooking up, or who comes and goes at the WH. He makes sure there are no records of either. They even bribed Slick Mitch to let Vlad's buddies build an aluminum factory in Kentucky to wipe out the sanctions for that company. Yep he herded repubs in line for that one.

Nothing to see here, move along and mind your own business while the big shots take all the money. JL is happy with his crumbs as long as the overturn Roe v Wade. I've seen this movie before a few times and it never ends well for ordinary folks, not even the right wing loonies who pay double for their tickets. HINT...That ain't butter on your popcorn.

I don't know of a real investigation speculating on what someone MAY have done . That's like Mueller trying to divine what Trump MAY have been thinking as possible grounds for obstruction .

Trump considered running for president back in the 80’s and became only more interested over time. Finally, he tried to run on the Independent Party ticket , before reassessing the competency of the Party itself, and then he backed out.
Trump had decades to decide to run and to clean and repair his personal profile, ready his business profile and shine up his financials, his books in the event he would decide to make a serious run for the presidency.
I think it is Duetsche Bank that has problems and Trump does not share in them. It is guilt by association. Trump does some of his banking at Duetshe . They got raided by the German authorities because they allegedly launder Putin cash. Therefore the connection is established even though the bank is an international bank that services scores of wealthy patrons and millions of customers world wide . Keep fishing .

There is a reason I refer to the prez as the dufus, because it would seem he would have his house in order, but I have seen no evidence of that since he acts like he does have something to hide, and more importantly I can't stand his antics or words and would feel great to see him eat them. I see no end to this fishing expedition, and only a fool would just look away, and reading the Mueller Report, I can say his actions are totally unacceptable for a prez, or anyone and he should be held to account. If he were not the POTUS he would already be hauled away in cuffs, just like Flynn, Manafort, Gates and Cohen, and maybe that Stone idiot. LOL you think a normal person would have that many convicts and criminals around him?

Come on Tom. That's outrageous.

none of them were'criminal' before the Mueller inquisition . You think Mueller is incapable of persecuting innocents ? The government had to pay out $100 million because of his excessive zealotry .

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-15/barrs-investigator-john-durham-once-probed-mueller-shocking-case

and I have already mentioned how he and Comey persecuted Dr Steven Hatfill when they botched the Anthrax case.

or the time that the Mueller led
FBI made Richard Jewell's life a living hell when it looked for a scapegoat for the 1996 Olympics bombing. It pushed the cockamamie idea that Jewell planted the bomb so he could look the hero by discovering it.
The actual bomber was Eric Robert Rudolph, a domestic terrorist who blew up abortion clinics.

So you can't convince me that an American hero like General Flynn is a criminal

I don't know of a real investigation speculating on what someone MAY have done .


You need to rethink this claim. It's done all the time. Catch the bad guy before he blows somebody up. Or before he plans with another bad guy to form a conspiracy. This is basic stuff, tomder.

Obama fired Flynn because he was going off the rails and warned the dufus about him. Sad but true. As I pointed out though its part of a pattern of who the dufus surrounds himself with. He still has many cabinet members resign under one ethics violation or another. He still doesn't want you looking into how he makes his money, or how he has spent his inauguration money, and everywhere you look a Russian pops up, and a lie comes with it, and the middle east keeps getting more unstable.

The DIA under Flynn was the only agency that anticipated the rise of ISIS and the extent of its spread. Flynn was reporting this at the time the emperor ,Clapper and Brennan where calling ISIS the JV Team.Flynn was the only Director who refused to modify Intel reports to support the Emperor's political agenda. I guess that is called "going off the rail". It was only after this that the spin about 'erratic behavior ' began circulating .

Yeah I remember the right wing loony conspiracy theories and talking points back then mostly started by Flynn himself. No secret he was outspoken against his former boss and HC. Even staunch democrats wonder off the range sometimes. Disturbing though if true, him and other retired generals pushing for more Saudi support against Yemen, and giving the Saudis a path toward nukes.

Even staunch democrats wonder off the range sometimes. .

What about you Tal, do you wander off the range?

I wander all over the place, but within the boundaries of good behavior and the LAW.

and giving the Saudis a path toward nukes. well unless the Iranian nuke ambition is squashed real soon;the Saudi's and other Gulf States will have no choice but to arm themselves in kind .

The Iranian nuke deal the dufus squashed sort of put the kabash on all that unless you think they were cheating and everybody who said they were in compliance was lying. That's what happens when big Bro let's little Bro have his way. If giving nukes to our proxy's(?) is a solution, then that's a problem and disaster waiting to happen, and a thumb in the eues of our allies.

well unless the Iranian nuke ambition is squashed real soon;the Saudi's and other Gulf States will have no choice but to arm themselves in kind .


It was squashed - by Obama - until your boy unsquashed it. Now idiot boy will arm the Saudis for their Trump proxy war against Iran.

(Woops - after posting this, just saw Tal said the same thing with a touch more clarity. Oh, well. never hurts to repeat a true message).

The dufus is now accusing the intel community higher ups with TREASON and has ordered Barr to investigate and for Intell to cooperate fully. This is the guy who stalls and stonewalls any close scrutiny into him, even after he gets a judges ruling that it's a LAWFUL scrutiny and he must comply. It's no coincidence that Intell has had it's own investigation going and is set to release those results soon, so I see this as the dufus using Barr again to get a sneak peak so he can SPIN it ahead of that release.

The dufus is now accusing the intel community higher ups with TREASON and has ordered Barr to investigate and for Intell to cooperate fully. This is the guy who stalls and stonewalls any close scrutiny into him, even after he gets a judges ruling that it's a LAWFUL scrutiny and he must comply. It's no coincidence that Intell has had it's own investigation going and is set to release those results soon, so I see this as the dufus using Barr again to get a sneak peak so he can SPIN it ahead of that release.

In what universe does administration not mean exactly that? Rhetorical question. Your Congress does not have the right to conduct kangaroo courts, but it does so under the guise of inquiries

Just calling a congress doing it's job and looking into a proven lying cheating bully a kangaroo court doesn't change the fact that's their job! Why do conservatives try to rewrite the rules?

The Iranian nuke deal the dufus squashed sort of put the kabash on all that

Sort of??? That is not reassuring. It's kind of like saying the Japanese sort of surrendered so we think the war might be over.

Sort of??? That is not reassuring. It's kind of like saying the Japanese sort of surrendered so we think the war might be over.

That's utter nonsense and not just sort of, since we had a bird in the hand already. Speaking of nukes, Kim says he loves the dufus still, but won't cut a deal without keeping his nukes. Kim is not stupid and won't trust a lying cheating, dufus bully, even if he is sweet and charming. So what's the problem with conservatives? Oh that's right he does sound good to you on TV doesn't he?

Talking loud, saying nothing, doing nothing, is what keeps you guys attention, and long as it sounds good. You should be asking where's the money like the rest of us are.

well unless the Iranian nuke ambition is squashed real soon


It was squashed - by Obama

unless you think they were cheating and everybody who said they were in compliance was lying.
Just Stop!

The Iranian regime looks very pragmatic. It looks like a government as you’ve heard the administration officials talk about a great deal, a government that you can do business with. Iranians have a definite, defined idea of manifest destiny...the nuclear deal is one of the ways it will get there. There's only one thing these people understand... they respect it!



Just calling a congress doing it's job
Oh, is that what you call it. What is their Job exactly?

Well let me know when the dufus gets his nuke deal and I hope it looks better than his Korean deal, Saudii deal, China deal, or Russian deal and those are his friends and lovers...but no deal. In addition I refer you to the Constitution which lays out the job of the congress.

It's not that hard as you're making it, especially when it comes to Iranian destiny. Not saying their great, but the were honoring their deal, until the lying, cheating dufus came along.

The President and Congress must work together, or else all of the decisions will either be made by Congress or the President. Congress doesn't want to do their job...there you have it, Trump gets to play Dictator. Keep it up congress, your being played.

The President and Congress must work together, or else all of the decisions will either be made by Congress or the President. Congress doesn't want to do their job...there you have it, Trump gets to play Dictator. Keep it up congress, your being played.

I agree and find your logic absolutely TRUE! The Senate no longer even pretends to do the people work.

That's utter nonsense and not just sort of, since we had a bird in the hand already.

You do realize that the "sort of" was a quote from your post? So if it's utter nonsense, it's your utter nonsense.

The Iranian nuke deal the dufus squashed sort of put the kabash on all that unless you think they were cheating and everybody who said they were in compliance was lying. That's what happens when big Bro let's little Bro have his way. If giving nukes to our proxy's(?) is a solution, then that's a problem and disaster waiting to happen, and a thumb in the eues of our allies.

Is this the quote you mean? Come on JL, the context speaks for itself and has nothing to do with your comparison analogy which was my NONSENSE reference. On it's face it made NO sense whatsoever. So correct me if I misunderstood. Or did you misunderstand my usage of the English language?

Tribal dialect can be confusing. The point was reiterated in my subsequent post though.

Good grief. You stated that the deal "sort of put the kabash on all that." It has the plain and clear meaning of something less than definite, so my comparison was spot on. Perhaps your wording was something other than what you intended to write.

You're right the ''sort of' that confuses you is an expression of derision on my part making the point that the decision to pull out of the Iranian deal was a bad move. Who trusts a guy who breaks a deal? So what do we have now except division and uncertainty with not just Iran, but the other signatories of the deal in regard to nukes. He is good at tearing stuff down, simple for him but he has yet to deliver anything better in it's place.

He does and is losing in the courts though as we evaluate his words against the findings of the Mueller Report and what should be done with those findings.

That's what happens when big Bro let's little Bro have his way. If giving nukes to our proxy's(?) is a solution, then that's a problem and disaster waiting to happen, and a thumb in the eues of our allies.


ummm no If the Saudi's nuke up it will be through Pakistani technology or purchase .

But let's get to the topic .
The conspirators are turning on themselves.
Comey is on the lecture and television circuit . He is throwing his co-conspirators off the bus and they are returning the favor . Comey says that he alone has soul while his co-conspirators let theirs get nibbled away by Trump. He attacked Rosenstein as a Trump enabler .He knows Rosenstein more than the rest has the goods on Comey and probably handed the info off to Barr .Comey is also locking horns with McCabe .They both leaked classified information to the media . Comey says McCabe did it ;and McCabe's lawyers say Comey directed him to do it .Comey says the Steele dossier was not the only evidence used to obtain FISA warrants .McCabe insists that it was . Which one will turn and assist in the prosecution of the other ? Former CIA boss Brennan has twice lied to Congress and gotten away with it . He won't be so lucky a third time .Comey and Brennan both claim that the other added the Steele dossier into NIA about Russian interference .One of them is lying .I'm betting it was Brennan .It was unethical and possibly illegal to do so because the dossier was nothing more than opposition research from Evita's campaign ;and an unverified document .

ummm no If the Saudi's nuke up it will be through Pakistani technology or purchase .

But let's get to the topic .
The conspirators are turning on themselves.
Comey is on the lecture and television circuit . He is throwing his co-conspirators off the bus and they are returning the favor . Comey says that he alone has soul while his co-conspirators let theirs get nibbled away by Trump. He attacked Rosenstein as a Trump enabler .He knows Rosenstein more than the rest has the goods on Comey and probably handed the info off to Barr .Comey is also locking horns with McCabe .They both leaked classified information to the media . Comey says McCabe did it ;and McCabe's lawyers say Comey directed him to do it .Comey says the Steele dossier was not the only evidence used to obtain FISA warrants .McCabe insists that it was . Which one will turn and assist in the prosecution of the other ? Former CIA boss Brennan has twice lied to Congress and gotten away with it . He won't be so lucky a third time .Comey and Brennan both claim that the other added the Steele dossier into NIA about Russian interference .One of them is lying .I'm betting it was Brennan .It was unethical and possibly illegal to do so because the dossier was nothing more than opposition research from Evita's campaign ;and an unverified document .

Pakistan can't afford to upset Iran

maybe not ;but Saudi money may make it worth the risk .They have to have a delicate balance because they have to also worry about upsetting the US .The Pakis owe Saudia Arabia a fortune for oil they haven't paid for . Giving the Saudi's nukes would be one way to balance the ledger.

another rat is jumping ship.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-18/obamas-top-fbi-lawyer-distances-himself-steele-report-amid-scramble-place-blame

another rat is jumping ship.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-18/obamas-top-fbi-lawyer-distances-himself-steele-report-amid-scramble-place-blame




Baker also told Todd that he thinks the FISA warrants against Page would have been granted without the dossier,
and took a pregnant pause when asked if the dossier was used to obtain FISA warrants on other people
- saying "I don’t think I should comment on that, I’m not sure what else the government has confirmed," and adding "
I don’t want to confirm or deny anything about other potential FISA applications.
"


That first line is the one that jumps out to me, and brings to mind the questions of what was verified n the Steele Dossier, and what other data was part of the probable cause to invade ones privacy. Indeed if there was much more there, there then that blows the right wing conspiracy theory of an illegal warrant and nefarious activity by the FBI and DOJ out of the water.

Personally exploiters and grifters like Page bear watching , and that goes for the dufus who says he can shot someone in the middle of the street and his supporters would still be with him and that attitude should disturb everybody, and make us MORE wary instead of just accepting sheeple for a corrupt, lying cheating dufus.

First batch of POTUS declassification said to include FBI docs of recorded conversations exculpating Papapopoulos & Page--prior to FBI going for FISA warrant based on their alleged conspiracy.
If Mifsud was recorded giving the "tip" to George...it's GAME OVER.

Doesn't matter, George P. LIED about his contacts to the FBI. Why would he do that? Why would anyone lie about their Russian contacts if not to cover something up? Somebody answer the question about all the lying about Russian contacts. I find it fascinating the dufus defenders believe these liars and know they are lying. That's what they do and no doubt Barr will declassify everything that shows the FBI in a bad light or the dufus cabal in a better one ahead of the intel report and the IG report, just as he did with the Mueller report.

The dufus is feeding red meat to anyone who will take it and your mouth is wide open Tom. What's in the intel report or the IG report that has him spinning like a top to get ahead of it?

More of the real cover up .



The former British spy who produced a dossier describing alleged links between Donald Trump and Russia will not cooperate with a prosecutor assigned by U.S. Attorney General William Barr to review how the investigations of Trump and his 2016 election campaign began, a source with knowledge of the situation said.



https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-steele/british-ex-spy-will-not-talk-to-u-s-prosecutor-examining-trump-probe-origins-source-idUSKCN1SY20K

indict ;extradite ,or rendition if necessary and send his sorry a$$ to Gitmo .

I guess he doesn't trust Barr and I can't say as I blame him, but he may cooperate with the IG investigating the same thing.

For an Attorney General, Barr has descended to depths never before reached in American justice at that level.

For an Attorney General, Barr has descended to depths never before reached in American justice at that level.

you need to revisit your history. Bobby Kennedy ;whose sole qualification for the job was being the brother of the President(unless you consider his position as chief council for Joe McCarthy ) ,spied on MLK because he thought MLK was a Russian agent .He failed to fire J Edgar Hoover as head of the FBI because Hoover had compromising dirt on JFK and RFK . He approved some 600 wiretaps in 3 years in office ;and kept no records and placed no time limits on the wiretaps . On his watch, criminals went free precisely because the government had abused their rights. Dozens of cases against organized-crime figures were lost because the FBI's evidence came from illegal methods.

Actually I see a pattern here . The emperor's abuse of FISA predates his illegal spying on Trump . He abused the system spying on Senators ,and the press well before the 2016 campaign. It is yet to discover how many other candidates besides Trump he spied on. Rand Paul has been making the charge ;and he almost certainly spied on the Sanders campaign .
In April 2017 FISA court Judge Collyer found that unwarranted and illegal surveillance of American citizens was done by the highest reaches of the emperor's regime for at least 4 years, starting in 2012.

She found the DOJ showed an appalling “lack of institutional candor”.


The document, signed by Judge Rosemary M. Collyer, said the court had learned in a notice filed Oct. 26, 2016, that National Security Agency analysts had been conducting prohibited queries of databases “with much greater frequency than had previously been disclosed to the court.”
It said a judge chastised the NSA’s inspector general and Office of Compliance for Operations for an “institutional ‘lack of candor’ ” for failing to inform the court. It described the matter as “a very serious Fourth Amendment issue.”


https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article152948259.html

Out of approximately 5000 searches of the NSA database from October 2016 to April of 2017 in the National Security Division of the DOJ, 4250 of them were deemed illegal or non-compliant .Collyer ruled that this information was shared and disseminated unlawfully to John Brennan and James Clapper. Furthermore, information was disseminated within the emperor's regime in violation of the 4th amendment.

We never would've learned the truth if it wasn't for patriot Adm Mike Rogers , then head of the NSA.He initially tipped off Trump (on Nov. 17, 2016) that communications from Trump Tower were being tapped .Soon after ,the Washington Compost reported that DNI James Clapper and Defense Secretary Ash Carter had recommended the removal of Rogers from his NSA post. That didn't happen. He discovered the illegal spying. He went personally to the FISA Court and briefed the Chief Judge and worked with her for months to uncover the people who did it. The FISA Court has already told the Justice department who lied to that court and that has been given to Bill Barr already.The real collusion has been exposed .Once Barr starts releasing the relevant information after he declassifies it the true extent of the emperor's abuses will be exposed .

That is why the rats like Comey ,Brennan ,Clapper et al are running for cover.

Mueller getting out of Dodge while the gettin is good . He told us "I wrote a big report ;go read it already and leave me alone " ....."thanks for the $35 million " . "Don't ask for an accounting of it "

He did throw the Dems a bone by not putting to bed the ridiculous conspiracy /collusion narrative .( "...if we had confidence the President did not commit a crime, we would have said so.") .He shirked his responsibility IMO by not coming to a conclusion. His comment was a complete cop out .He punted .

If he was never going to be able to find obstruction of justice because of DOJ policy, then what was the point of investigating that in the first place? By his reasoning, he couldn’t have said the Trump/campaign had conspired with Russia if he had found that . He could have “concluded" that President Trump obstructed justice without citing formal charges. So he apparently could not find sufficient evidence to make such a statement . Given the fact that everyone surrounding the President was also not charged ;and there are no constitutional or DOJ regs against indicting the President's inner sanctum . I believe that as much as Mueller wanted to find obstruction ;he couldn't .If he had the evidence, Mueller could have identified criminal conduct & *recommended* charges.

Instead he gave Congress the implicit go ahead to proceed with impeachment .....at your peril. .
He also definitely over stated the Russian efforts . You can't call a couple of pajama boys spending $100,000 on Facebook ads as a serious effort . Evita spent that much every week .

Well your spin is better than the case closed crap statement from Sarah and her boss, but the ball in in Nancy's court now so either she pulls the trigger or don't. If congressman Amash has the courage to buck his party so publicly, then why don't the dems?

lol Amash is one of 197 Repubs . and he comes from a Michigan seat which means he is one of the ones most likely to lose a seat if he doesn't go along with the Democrat agenda.
Nancy doesn't want to impeach because she knows it's fools gold . Go ahead . She already has the votes to move impeachment to the Senate . btw .He has two primary challenges next year .

Amash is obviously less worried about his seat than he is doing what he thinks he should do. I think Pelosi is waiting for the IG and Intell report before she drops the hammer. Everybody else is antsy. Can't blame them at all, since the Mueller Report as released was damning to the prez and NO DOUBT his lawyers have read it and told him so. Nancy knows that too!
196 scared repub sycophants! Wonder when the dufus will confront Vlad for lying to him to his face? Oh wait he can't, Vlad would nail down the collusion for the Russian interference.

it's damning only in a looking glass world .
“If we had had confidence that the president had clearly not committed a crime we would have said so; ” is NOT the way the system works . Investigators are supposed to look for evidence that a crime was committed . If they can't find that evidence they are supposed to say that they did not find enough evidence to show a crime was committed .Innocent is the presumption in the country .
If he doesn't have enough evidence that Trump or his campaign committed a crime he is obliged to presume his innocence.

Mueller isn't a judge, he is an investigator who said there is insufficient evidence. However, those who wish to be judge, jury and executioner say we are going to keep digging until we find evidence of a crime. We all know what that crime was, telling HC she wasn't fit to be president

it's damning only in a looking glass world .
“If we had had confidence that the president had clearly not committed a crime we would have said so; ” is NOT the way the system works . Investigators are supposed to look for evidence that a crime was committed . If they can't find that evidence they are supposed to say that they did not find enough evidence to show a crime was committed .Innocent is the presumption in the country .
If he doesn't have enough evidence that Trump or his campaign committed a crime he is obliged to presume his innocence.



He also said he gathered the facts and its up to the congress what they do with them. If you had read the report like he said to do then you would have heard every word he said before...and MORE! By the way he said the conspiracy evidence was INSUFFICIENT but the obstruction he laid out. Go read it and be aware that insufficient means there is evidence, NOT NO EVIDENCE! He doesn't presume innocence for that reason. I'm sure the dufus doesn't agree with you despite what he says publicly. Consider that just saying witch hunt and Russian Hoax may be conspiracy to mislead, and obstruct. Also consider that he may have obstructed Mueller's conspiracy investigation as well so got to INSUFFICIENT evidence. Pretty plain he called Barr a LIAR in nuanced language, except for the way he kept his word and released it redacted to the public. Don't worry the congress will get the full report.

So keep hoping the dufus isn't LYING. Hope you're taking bets! Hope you're rich and can pay!


Mueller isn't a judge, he is an investigator who said there is insufficient evidence. However, those who wish to be judge, jury and executioner say we are going to keep digging until we find evidence of a crime. We all know what that crime was, telling HC she wasn't fit to be president

The congress IS the judge, jury, executioner and lawful investigator. That's the LAW.

it's damning only in a looking glass world .
“If we had had confidence that the president had clearly not committed a crime we would have said so; ” is NOT the way the system works .


Mueller has torpedoed the Trump/Barr ship of collusion and obstruction. There is no question that Trump obstructed justice - if in doubt, just read the report.

Yawn. Politics at work. All we heard about for months and months was collusion. Having failed at that, they shift gears to obstruction. When that falls apart, they'll be upset that he tore the tag of his mattress fifteen years ago.

Yawn. Politics at work. All we heard about for months and months was collusion. Having failed at that, they shift gears to obstruction. When that falls apart, they'll be upset that he tore the tag of his mattress fifteen years ago.
Um, you haven't read it yet, have you!

You mean the parts where there are no recommendations of charges against Trump?

You mean the parts where there are no recommendations of charges against Trump?

He stated in the report AND his press conference today that such a recommendation was NEVER an option because of DOJ policy. Yeah I know you listened to Barr and Barr lied. The thing we forget is the Russians engaged in a concerted effort to interfere in our election. Multiple outreach to dufusites was a part of it. Yeah Vlad lied too.

I read it except the redacted parts . No collusion ;and he did his best to make a circumstantial case for obstruction . Now he's trying to get out of dodge before he has to answer under oath.

I suspect that he's dirty ;at least as dirty as J Edgar Hoover was when he ran the FBI . How do I know that ? I don't have a solid case that he's dirty . But there is enough circumstantial evidence to smear him as such .But if he wasn't a coconspirator in the emperor's abuses of power then he was at very least a willing participant in charade .While he was the boss ,the Clintoon foundation made a fortune in the pay for play game . While he was director ;the Emperor's IRS targeted conservative groups . He did nothing about their illegal violations. While he was director the emperor trafficked guns for Mexican cartels .While he was director the Justice Dept illegally spied (surveillance )on reporters and members of Congress. While he was director $billions of dollars dispatched to Iraq disappeared without a sniff of a DOJ investigation .

And I've already documented how he has left innocent people broken and ruined in his wake.

He stated in the report AND his press conference today that such a recommendation was NEVER an option because of DOJ policy. Yeah I know you listened to Barr and Barr lied. The thing we forget is the Russians engaged in a concerted effort to interfere in our election. Multiple outreach to dufusites was a part of it. Yeah Vlad lied too.

So the Russians do what they have been doing for decades, and you believe that your President conspired with them. Yes I know it was just another business deal for Trump, something about building a hotel in Moscow because he didn't believe he would win. The issue is whether he did anything illegal, and Mueller has stated he doesn't have enough evidence. He could have said there are no grounds for criminal prosecution or a criminal prosecution would not succeed, but he wanted to keep the nonsense going for political reasons, and his recent statements have added nothing except fuel for the fire

I read it except the redacted parts . No collusion ;and he did his best to make a circumstantial case for obstruction . Now he's trying to get out of dodge before he has to answer under oath.

I suspect that he's dirty ;at least as dirty as J Edgar Hoover was when he ran the FBI . How do I know that ? I don't have a solid case that he's dirty . But there is enough circumstantial evidence to smear him as such .But if he wasn't a coconspirator in the emperor's abuses of power then he was at very least a willing participant in charade .While he was the boss ,the Clintoon foundation made a fortune in the pay for play game . While he was director ;the Emperor's IRS targeted conservative groups . He did nothing about their illegal violations. While he was director the emperor trafficked guns for Mexican cartels .While he was director the Justice Dept illegally spied (surveillance )on reporters and members of Congress. While he was director $billions of dollars dispatched to Iraq disappeared without a sniff of a DOJ investigation .

And I've already documented how he has left innocent people broken and ruined in his wake.

Well there you go ammo for the dufus to use in his defense so he doesn'y become Mueller next victim.


So the Russians do what they have been doing for decades, and you believe that your President conspired with them. Yes I know it was just another business deal for Trump, something about building a hotel in Moscow because he didn't believe he would win. The issue is whether he did anything illegal, and Mueller has stated he doesn't have enough evidence. He could have said there are no grounds for criminal prosecution or a criminal prosecution would not succeed, but he wanted to keep the nonsense going for political reasons, and his recent statements have added nothing except fuel for the fire

Nice spin. Humorous and goofy in your Aussie style.

I have said it before and I will say it again, nothing to see here, two years of political crap, star chambers and witch hunts and at the end nothing conclusive regarding the prime target, suspect or whatever. ok he snared some minions, but this isn't evidence of anything because, read it again, there is no evidence. That Trump is a foolish person isn't in doubt, never was in doubt

You mean the parts where there are no recommendations of charges against Trump?
That wasn't the job of the report.


The issue is whether he did anything illegal, and Mueller has stated he doesn't have enough evidence. He could have said there are no grounds for criminal prosecution or a criminal prosecution would not succeed, but he wanted to keep the nonsense going for political reasons, and his recent statements have added nothing except fuel for the fire
Apparently, you didn't read it either. Or really listen -- and understand -- what Mueller said today.

That wasn't the job of the report.

It wasn't??? It wasn't the job of the special counsel to investigate "Russia-Gate" and determine if crimes had been committed? If that wasn't his job, then what on earth WAS his job?

I have said it before and I will say it again, nothing to see here, two years of political crap, star chambers and witch hunts and at the end nothing conclusive regarding the prime target, suspect or whatever. ok he snared some minions, but this isn't evidence of anything because, read it again, there is no evidence. That Trump is a foolish person isn't in doubt, never was in doubt

I know English may not be your first language or your law degree may have expired but there is a huge difference between No evidence and INSUFFICIENT evidence. Obstruction addresses that condition of INSUFFICIENT, as in beyond a reasonable doubt. I know you can read, but do you need a link? You should read it and maybe you will understand why I call him a lying cheating dufus. This report is a great example among others.


It wasn't??? It wasn't the job of the special counsel to investigate "Russia-Gate" and determine if crimes had been committed? If that wasn't his job, then what on earth WAS his job?

To investigate the extent of Russian attack on our election and anything related. It's the job of congress to deal with crimes the president may have committed. He got the other bozo's or is in the process.

the real investigation of the real crime is only beginning . Mueller better keep a low profile . As noted the real abuse of power in this case began no later that 2012 as
FISA court Judge Collyer found and detailed .That is where the genesis of this scandal begins . As for election interference ;or trying to influence the results of elections …. . We have played that game throughout our history ;as have the Russians . One of our "achievements" was the installing of Boris Yeltsin as Russian President by Bubba . That the result of that folly was the rise of Putin is entirely besides the point .

To investigate the extent of Russian attack on our election and anything related. It's the job of congress to deal with crimes the president may have committed. He got the other bozo's or is in the process.
Exactly! In his report, Mueller didn't say IF; he said WHEN. Now the ball is in Congress's court.

the real investigation of the real crime is only beginning . Mueller better keep a low profile . As noted the real abuse of power in this case began no later that 2012 as
FISA court Judge Collyer found and detailed .That is where the genesis of this scandal begins . As for election interference ;or trying to influence the results of elections …. . We have played that game throughout our history ;as have the Russians . One of our "achievements" was the installing of Boris Yeltsin as Russian President by Bubba . That the result of that folly was the rise of Putin is entirely besides the point .


And that's the excuse to ignore what the dufus is doing NOW?


Exactly! In his report, Mueller didn't say IF; he said WHEN. Now the ball is in Congress's court.

No telling what the redacted classified stuff is about.

No telling what the redacted classified stuff is about. I'm for releasing all. There's just that law thingy that Congress passed. Why isn't pathfinder Schiff or that greasy blob Nadler fast tracking the legislation to repeal the law ?

This is just politics as its worst. The hatred on display is appalling. Before Mueller's report, all you heard was that Trump was guilty of collusion. Mueller could not prove that, so now they have shifted gears to obstruction. In the meantime, the business of the country is ignored. It's pathetic. From my point of view, if they do manage to get to Trump with "trumped-up" charges, then the reaction of the country will not be nice. It will just further separate us. Pence would then be president, and I would think he would be a good one, so the dems would have to figure out a new way to generate hatred towards a new president.

so the dems would have to figure out a new way to generate hatred towards a new president.

no problem he is not a Demonrat

Before the election Comey held a presser where he detailed crime after crime that Evita and her entourage committed .He then said a reasonable prosecutor would not charge her . Now Mueller writes a 600 page report where in the 1st half he said he found no evidence of a crime and in the 2nd half published 300 pages of gossip and innuendo and then says that he found no proof that Trump didn't commit a crime (nice double negative ) . These boys are bizarre .

Members of the jury . You will find the defendant guilty ,not guilty ........or not not guilty .

This from the guys that have thrown rocks at the Clintons for decades before they sicced Russia on her.

This from the guys that have thrown rocks at the Clintons for decades before they sicced Russia on her.

There was no doubt that HC broke the law with her email scandal. There was no doubt that she lied about it as well. Comey just declined to press charges, and this a few days after HC's hubby met with the AG in private for nearly an hour. Naw. Nothing suspicious or unethical there. The same dems who feign outrage now were more than happy to support HC then. Politics.

it was not his role to press charges or not. That was Loretta Lynche's job. He made recommedations just like Mueller should've .Ken Starr did not press charges against Bubba. He cited instances where he thought there was "substantial and credible evidence" that Bubba lied under oath and orchestrated an obstruction.

The repub congress then could have acted as it saw fit, as they did with the Benghazi hearings. They did not, after MANY hearings. The dems have the same choice don't they? Sure they do. Russia if your listening....!

it was not his role to press charges or not. That was Loretta Lynche's job.

If you remember, Lynch had to pass the decision off to Comey after it became public that she met with Bill.

She should have passed it to the deputy AG. I doubt that would have mollified the right.

Lynch did not recuse herself .That is a Don Lemon lie .She did say that she would accept the FBI recommendation. But that was her call ;and I'm sure that was a prearranged decision .

I never said the R word, just her deputy should have made the call. I doubt it mattered since it was a left wing plot in the first place. Just like the Mueller Report right? I mean Left? No up, maybe down.

Mueller : the Ruskies I indicted deserve the presumption of innocence .

Mueller : Trump is not not guilty

Maybe you will never get those Ruskies in court or the higher ups who ordered it, but you darn sure cannot ignore it, nor turn a blind eye to those in the US who aided, abeited, and enabled it with or without knowledge. That makes the words, actions, and behavior regarding the matter that much more aggregious.

I have reviewed all the material on Mr. Mueller that I can find, and IF I were able to proclaim that he is not a child molester, I would have stated so. In fact, I was unable to clearly PROVE that he is not a child molester, so I can not exonerate him of this charge. I will leave that up to a political process to decide.........

I have reviewed all the material on Mr. Mueller that I can find, and IF I were able to proclaim that he is not a child molester, I would have stated so. In fact, I was unable to clearly PROVE that he is not a child molester, so I can not exonerate him of this charge. I will leave that up to a political process to decide.........



LOL - good thing you're not an attorney.

LOL - good thing you're not an attorney.

I think you kind of missed the point.

I think you kind of missed the point.


The point-missing, as usual, is all yours.

what's the difference between that and
“If we had had confidence that the president had clearly not committed a crime we would have said so; ” ?

'Let the jury considertheir verdict,' the King said, for about the twentieth time that day.

'No, no!' said the Queen. 'Sentence first—verdict afterwards.'

Tom, Mueller couldn't find evidence, so he did the next best thing, he resorted to innuendo, Trump has not been given the presumption of innocence, he is obviously guilty of having done something, afterall he stole an election, the election Hilliary couldn't loose

what's the difference between that and “If we had had confidence that the president had clearly not committed a crime we would have said so; ” ?

That's the point that seemed to be missed.

Mueller seemed to take that same approach that the dems took against Kavanaugh.

That's the point that seemed to be missed.

Mueller seemed to take that same approach that the dems took against Kavanaugh.

Well it is a well tried tactic, if you don't agree with us we will hound you until you do

Well it is a well tried tactic, if you don't agree with us we will hound you until you do

Sadly true.

They couldn't get Trump on collusion or obstruction .So now the Dems are going for a competency "town hall " in July .

https://www.newsweek.com/house-democrats-plan-event-examine-donald-trumps-allegedly-deteriorating-mental-health-1442458

Article 2 section 4 states : The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

So presumably anything said at this "town hall " by the alleged experts would be irrelevant in an impeachment hearing . Their 'hail mary ' pass can be found in the 25th amendment section 4

Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.


The meaning of "or of such other body as Congress may by law provide" is beyond me .

The Dems always talk about a constitutional crisis . Using the 25th amendment would cause such a crisis . The bottom line is that the people of the country will decide next year if Trump is suitable to be President .All this impeachment talk and show trials are a distraction to rally their base ;and a distraction from the fact that they are a do-nothing Congress.

...the people of the country will decide next year if Trump is suitable to be President .All this impeachment talk and show trials are a distraction ...

Your fear is showing. For someone who denigrates Trump, you have an odd way of showing it.

The weird yellow-haired draft-dodging puke is now dishonoring the American war dead at Normandy by speaking at the ceremonies. This after almost the entire British nation turned out to show their disdain for the bozo, which he managed to unbelievably call demonstrations of love for him. This is a prima facie case for Article 25.

Then he went to Ireland where he was refused a meeting at his golf course and had to settle for a room at the airport. He suggests Ireland put up a wall on the Northern Ireland border. Thank God for the Irish Prime Minister who told him to shove it.

I believe the way for the future is impeachment. The Senate won't convict (unless a handful of them grow some cujones), but his filthy life of criminal interference and obstruction will be laid out for all to see. That lady who claimed she never knew any of the Trump bad conduct will now know - and others like her. Trumpist-Republican Senators will have lots of explaining to do to their constituents. Time to wake up and shape up, boys.

This after almost the entire British nation turned out to show their disdain for the bozo,

Yeah, it was almost the entire British nation, or some number considerably less than 1 percent.