Yeah, it was almost the entire British nation, or some number considerably less that 1 percent.


Trump invented that - he calls it hyperbole-truth-speak.

Trump invented that - he calls it hyperbole-truth-speak.

Glad to see you imitating him so well.

Glad to see you imitating him so well.


Happy to oblige.

show me the high crime or misdemeanor and I'll join the impeach train . There is zero chance that the Senate will convict and even less than that that he will be removed using the 25th .And I don't believe that Dem leadership will push it that far . Like I said ;this is the Dems attempt to influence the electorate . Any attempt to remove him before his term is up is folly that will blow up in their faces . What they have to hope is that Barr and Durham don't find the smoking gun on the abuses by the emperor's Justice and Intel Depts

show me the high crime or misdemeanor and I'll join the impeach train

Will you settle for obstruction of justice? Bad hair?


There is zero chance that the Senate will convict and even less than that that he will be removed using the 25th

Agreed. But one hopes.


.And I don't believe that Dem leadership will push it that far.

They may be pressured to do just that.


Like I said ;this is the Dems attempt to influence the electorate . Any attempt to remove him before his term is up is folly that will blow up in their faces.

You may be right about attempting to influence the electorate. But I disagree that it will blow up in their faces. When the Trump base electorate (mostly unaware of how bad Trump really is) gets a whiff of the reality when impeachment is all over every media in the land 24/7, I think enough of them will lose faith and send Trump home in 2020 where he will face criminal charges.


What they have to hope is that Barr and Durham don't find the smoking gun on the abuses by the emperor's Justice and Intel Depts

Come on, Tom, there's no smoking gun and you know damn well there isn't. This is just wacky right-wing stuff. Besides, Barr should be watching his own arse as they close in on him for his outrageous support of Trump when he's legally required to represent the American people, not the president.

It's silly season for sure and everybody is hustling votes, money, and endorsements, including the dufus. Athos is correct in that the dems have a huge dufus fever to break, and repubs are NOT going to buck their leader easily, no matter what the Mueller Report says, but I cannot imagine they don't know how damning it is not just for the dufus, but for them too.

Despite the obstacles though, advantage dems, because all they have to do is their jobs, you know passing their agenda even if it goes nowhere, and getting the facts out on the evening news. The dufus fails, his party goes down with him. I also have no doubt Nancy will make sure it gets shoved up the Dufus's big orange/pink butt.

Interesting summer and fall Tom! Especially if the two Texas senators get their way in the weeks to come.

repubs are NOT going to buck their leader easily, no matter what the Mueller Report says,

Wouldn't it have been nice if the Dems would have wiped out (that's what they were going for) all opposition, forever.

Trump is it. He isn't going anywhere.

The Dufus, that idiot Trump, is at it again. There are now more available jobs than there are available workers. First time since they started keeping this stat in the year 2000.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/05/there-are-more-jobs-than-people-out-of-work.html?__source=Facebook%7Cmain&fbclid=IwAR2JXREJa1ODPERTGFfRf61bfZ9uBiwBO1Kf-avd4t12yX2e7WUff_68mQs

well there you have it, the perfect demonrat excuse to let more migrants in

well there you have it, the perfect demonrat excuse to let more migrants in

That made me laugh. Funny but probably accurate observation.

Well the dufus is at it again. He threatens Mexico with more tarrifs if the don't do more to stop migrants, they say okay, he claims he forced them into a deal. Well you should know that Mexico has been doing more and training additional guardsmen for its southern border since December. Yeah they already had a deal but something had to be done to get the congress off the front pages.

Barr agrees to turn over documents to the dems as they vote tommorow to step up enforcement of the subpoenaes that have been issued so far and ignored, and give committee chairmen full authority to do what they have to do.

Check out CSpan for todays hearings with former federal prosecutors testimony. ENLIGHTENING!

That made me laugh.


Does this make you two laugh also?


“Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

yes I think you have enough wretched refuse already

“Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

I am all in favor of legal immigration. Always have been. I completely agree with President Obama when he stated, "If it is orderly and lawful, immigration is good for our economy."

I am also all in favor of building a wall to stop illegal immigration.

I think your Trump Derangement Syndrome has completely killed off your sense of humor.

I think your Trump Derangement Syndrome has completely killed off your sense of humor.


When I first heard Trump Derangement Syndrome, I thought it meant Trump is deranged. Most people who come across it the first time still think that. Talk about backfiring! You people need to rethink your slogans.

I see your own rules about name-calling don't apply to you - just to others who don't agree with you. Interesting.

Is it Trump Derangement Syndrome that explains the hungreds of contacts with Vlad's minions and kept so secret that they lied about them? Is it TDS that explains hios cabal of crooks swindlers and grifters he surrounded himself with during after and even before his campaign who have gone to jail, and going to jail? Is it TDS that lies to the public attacks it's citizens and coddles dictators and protects murderers of our citizens? Is it TDS who welcomed enemies to get dirt on his political opponents to steal the WH from the majority of voters? Is it TDS that allows foreign entities to funnel money to the dufus through his properties without the permission of the congress as the law requires?

I'm with Athos, and must add that maybe the righties like you who voted for and still support the dufus are the ones suffering from TDS, and it has seriously affected your rational thinking. None of you have read the Report, or can grasp what it says, and that includes his elected sycophants who put party above people.

Just asking, would your head explode if HC was president with this great economy, and would you be blasting her as you have for 30 years and moving to impeach her, and lock her up, as we are attempting to do to the dufus? Of course you would, so I suppose you're correct about it's just politics.

I see your own rules about name-calling don't apply to you - just to others who don't agree with you. Interesting.

Even more interesting than that is the fact that I have not called anyone a name. I said I thought your TDS had robbed you of your humor, but that is not name calling. If I had called you an idiot, sycophant, or dufus, then you would be able to find me guilty. If you want to accuse Trump of name calling, then you would plainly be correct. It's one of several strategies of his that I greatly dislike.



Just asking, would your head explode if HC was president with this great economy, and would you be blasting her as you have for 30 years and moving to impeach her, and lock her up, as we are attempting to do to the dufus? Of course you would, so I suppose you're correct about it's just politics.

That's a really good question. I'm not sure it's fair to say I have "blasted" her. I think she is corrupt and inept, so maybe that qualifies. I don't think the economy would have prospered with her. Impeach her? For what?

I'm sure I would have opposed her big-government, high tax, pro-abortion policies. I think it's fine to oppose policies, but I think it can be done without name calling and hatred.

You rather have small government that doesn't work very well for main street ordinary Americans, low taxes for rich guys funded by deficit spending, and bullying poor women who have no resources to do what resourced woman can do regardless of anti abortion laws, and shutdown PP whose services are less than 4% of the services they provide to those under resourced people. The other 97% lose their services too? Pretty cruel in my opinion, but yours is not new. guess we see what SCOTUS says(?).

Meanwhile you ignore the elements of the Report, for the spin of him and his sycophants, while he coddles and smoozes the most ruthless of modern leaders. You take holding your nose to dizzying new heights. TDS on your side is markedly dangerous, but I really have no issue if the bottom line is saving babies, misguided and inept as the path to do so is implemented.

You rather have small government that doesn't work very well for main street ordinary Americans, Your big government has us 23 tril in debt.


low taxes for rich guys funded by deficit spending,

I have dispensed with that silly argument many, many times before. Pay attention. The highest income Americans fund about 2/3 of fed spending. Your contention is completely wrong. The bottom half of income earners pay nearly no income tax. Yep, those low taxes for rich guys are killing us!!


bullying poor women who have no resources to do what resourced woman can do regardless of anti abortion laws, and shutdown PP whose services are less than 4% of the services they provide to those under resourced people. The other 97% lose their services too?

You plainly did not pay attention to the videos which came out showing that PP sells the body parts of destroyed fetuses. I dare any of you pro-abortion folks to watch a video of an abortion taking place, and especially showing the extracted body parts of the baby. If you can watch that and still maintain your pro-abortion position, then so be it. I can virtually guarantee you will not do it.


Meanwhile you ignore the elements of the Report, for the spin of him and his sycophants, while he coddles and smoozes the most ruthless of modern leaders. You take holding your nose to dizzying new heights.

Argue the Mueller report if you want to. We were discussing the silly issue of the navy ship. As to TDS, let's hear you speak critically of the scandals of the Obama admin. When you start getting honest about those eight years, then you can talk about TDS. It is your OLS (Obama loving syndrome) that I really object to the most.

Your big government has us 23 tril in debt.

Wonder where those debts come from? Sure ain't us poor folks that got that 23 trillion...hmm?


I have dispensed with that silly argument many, many times before. Pay attention. The highest income Americans fund about 2/3 of fed spending. Your contention is completely wrong. The bottom half of income earners pay nearly no income tax. Yep, those low taxes for rich guys are killing us!!


No you have a different opinion, and may dismiss mine but the issue has not been dispensed. Low taxes, and loopholes are killing us. Case in point, tax deductions for closing old American plants, and opening new state of the art ones overseas for cheap labor and no benefits. That's killing us.


You plainly did not pay attention to the videos which came out showing that PP sells the body parts of destroyed fetuses. I dare any of you pro-abortion folks to watch a video of an abortion taking place, and especially showing the extracted body parts of the baby. If you can watch that and still maintain your pro-abortion position, then so be it. I can virtually guarantee you will not do it.

Car accident videos are just as gross as are pictures of the lungs of smokers, and war victims. They recycle human remains and cadavers for research and have for centuries, but don't tell me of my pro abortion stance, I am against it, as I have explained but our difference is you throw out needed non abortion services to those in need to stop the small number of abortions as the need for abortions is steadily dropping. That you think it's okay to sacrifice the needs of others for such an agenda says more about your agenda and positions than mine. Maybe that's the best you can do, but forget having any moral superiority or support for your cause as you go about it.


Argue the Mueller report if you want to. We were discussing the silly issue of the navy ship. As to TDS, let's hear you speak critically of the scandals of the Obama admin. When you start getting honest about those eight years, then you can talk about TDS. It is your OLS (Obama loving syndrome) that I really object to the most.

Hey, I am MORE honest about them than you have been so save the spin for the politicians. The Mueller Report is the finding of FACTS. You and dufus won't spin your way out of them either.

No you have a different opinion, and may dismiss mine but the issue has not been dispensed.

That the top 5% of income earners pay 60% of income tax is not my opinion. It is a fact, kind of like the sun rising in the east. That the bottom half of income earners pay nearly nothing is also a fact.


Car accident videos are just as gross as are pictures of the lungs of smokers, and war victims.

Yes, and I am against car wrecks, smoking, and war. For the same reason, I am against abortion, but I know you won't watch the videos.


They recycle human remains and cadavers for research and have for centuries,

Yes, but they don't kill these people to get their parts and then market them like so much ground beef.


but don't tell me of my pro abortion stance, I am against it,

Don't tell me how you are against abortion when you vote for people who wholeheartedly support abortion on demand. If you are against it, then take a stand against it.


Hey, I am MORE honest about them than you have been so save the spin for the politicians.

I don't think you are. You NEVER mention Obama's scandals, other than to try and excuse them. When you start admitting that Obama was as much a typical politician as most others are, then you will start to get my attention. In fact, you have that opportunity now. Take a few lines and honestly discuss the scandals of the Obama admin.

That the top 5% of income earners pay 60% of income tax is not my opinion. It is a fact, kind of like the sun rising in the east. That the bottom half of income earners pay nearly nothing is also a fact.

That top 5& have 77% of the wealth and 83% of that deficit funded tax cut went to them so don't expect my sympathy and you haven't explained where that 23 TRILLION in debt came from. I understand if you can't and simply are regurgitating right wing talking points.


Yes, and I am against car wrecks, smoking, and war. For the same reason, I am against abortion, but I know you won't watch the videos.

Sorry, I excuse you for depriving the needy services just to stop abortions. Throwing the baby out with the bath water is not a viable strategy.


Yes, but they don't kill these people to get their parts and then market them like so much ground beef.

Using exaggerated language to make your point is not impressive and deceptive since you obviously don't know the difference, nor do you admit to being more than willing to abandon those precious babies after they are born. Your selective charity doesn't solve the problem either.


Don't tell me how you are against abortion when you vote for people who wholeheartedly support abortion on demand. If you are against it, then take a stand against it.

I'm not a one issue warrior, and that abortion on demand meme is a right wing talking point to hide your discrimination of poor women with no resources, since the ones with resources ignore the rantings of your pro-life hypocrisy. I would be more inclined if your concern for the unborn was a commitment after they were born, so until then rant on, see ya at the polls.


I don't think you are. You NEVER mention Obama's scandals, other than to try and excuse them. When you start admitting that Obama was as much a typical politician as most others are, then you will start to get my attention. In fact, you have that opportunity now. Take a few lines and honestly discuss the scandals of the Obama admin.

No thanks, I'll leave that to Obama/liberals haters like yourself and stick to the CURRENT events before us now. You have been proven to not value FACTS and DATA so what's the point of getting your attention that way when you will deny them anyway? I can get your attention just by blasting your non facts and that's what you can expect from me.

Nothing personal.

Even more interesting than that is the fact that I have not called anyone a name. I think it's fine to oppose policies, but I think it can be done without name calling and hatred.


Calling someone deranged is NOT name-calling? You keep showing this odd incapacity to know what words mean.

Dial back your hatred and your name-calling, and you'll see an all-around personal improvement.

Calling someone deranged is NOT name-calling? You keep showing this odd incapacity to know what words mean.

Dial back your hatred and your name-calling, and you'll see an all-around personal improvement.

As I was trying to say, I guess clumsily, your ability to recognize humor is limited. Besides, I think suggesting someone has TDS is not exactly the same as saying they are deranged. But I assure you I was not suggesting you are deranged.

Much of what I post here is said tongue in cheek. I guess it does not come across that way very well.

Much of what I post here is said tongue in cheek. I guess it does not come across that way very well.
You mean I shouldn't be crying myself to sleep every night?

You mean I shouldn't be crying myself to sleep every night?

I thought you did that because Obama was no longer president?

You have been proven to not value FACTS and DATA so what's the point of getting your attention that way when you will deny them anyway?

He's not alone.
It's a Proven fact, People don't care (listen) about facts.



I am MORE honest about them than you have been

No your not. You're one hundred percent bias. We watched you cry on national TV, you have been talking impeachment before Trump was elected. Nothing has changed. You Can't think past your hatred and sore loserDom.

How else do you think we are sup[pose to take it, when you continually Cry, CHEAT CHEATER! (before, during and after) all the fricken time? You can't see past your own hatred. Yes, I understand that you are accustom to listening and choosing to believe in the Dems lies, but Trump is King and his lies prevail.

WalterO, pretty accurate assessment. It's what I've said for months. Its the "holier than thou" position that is irritating.


That top 5& have 77% of the wealth and 83% of that deficit funded tax cut went to them so don't expect my sympathy and you haven't explained where that 23 TRILLION in debt came from.

23 tril in debt came from spending 23 tril more than tax revenues. Or in other words, from basic stupidity.


No you have a different opinion, and may dismiss mine but the issue has not been dispensed. Low taxes, and loopholes are killing us. Case in point, tax deductions for closing old American plants, and opening new state of the art ones overseas for cheap labor and no benefits. That's killing us.

I'm not dismissing your opinion. I am posting facts. They are different. The top 5% of income earners pay over half the taxes. Simple fact.


Using exaggerated language to make your point is not impressive and deceptive since you obviously don't know the difference, nor do you admit to being more than willing to abandon those precious babies after they are born. Your selective charity doesn't solve the problem either.

They kill these babies and then sell the body parts for profit. They do so without getting permission from those living human beings. If you can't stand the truth, then too bad, but don't refer to that as exaggerated language. It is the truth. You should deal with it.


I'm not a one issue warrior, and that abortion on demand meme is a right wing talking point to hide your discrimination of poor women with no resources, since the ones with resources ignore the rantings of your pro-life hypocrisy. I would be more inclined if your concern for the unborn was a commitment after they were born, so until then rant on, see ya at the polls.

Like I said. You are pro-abortion due to your refusing to oppose it. It's easier to post a lot of words than to take a stand. Too bad. You think I have no commitment to children once they are born. Your solution is to get rid of them before they are born. And between the two of us, I'm the one who spent his life working with children of all sorts in school systems. I like my position MUCH better than yours.


No thanks, I'll leave that to Obama/liberals haters like yourself and stick to the CURRENT events before us now.

Why am I not surprised? If I ever see you say something honestly critical about Obama, I think I'll frame it. Politics. Pure politics.

He's not alone.
It's a Proven fact, People don't care (listen) about facts.




No your not. You're one hundred percent bias. We watched you cry on national TV, you have been talking impeachment before Trump was elected. Nothing has changed. You Can't think past your hatred and sore loserDom.

How else do you think we are sup[pose to take it, when you continually Cry, CHEAT CHEATER! (before, during and after) all the fricken time? You can't see past your own hatred. Yes, I understand that you are accustom to listening and choosing to believe in the Dems lies, but Trump is King and his lies prevail.

But Walt, the dufus has been a lying cheating cruel bully all his life. You can't just ignore that FACT!

WalterO, pretty accurate assessment. It's what I've said for months. Its the "holier than thou" position that is irritating.

He's a nut, said affectionately. 8D


23 tril in debt came from spending 23 tril more than tax revenues. Or in other words, from basic stupidity.

Where did it come from was the question. Why have the repubs who have run the congress since 2012, and the WH since 2016 not cut the debt? Or when does the great economy start paying it's bills?


I'm not dismissing your opinion. I am posting facts. They are different. The top 5% of income earners pay over half the taxes. Simple fact.

So the ones with 90% of the wealth only pay a bit better than half the taxes, and you think that's fair and balanced given the size of the debt and having no plan to address it, just add to it?


They kill these babies and then sell the body parts for profit. They do so without getting permission from those living human beings. If you can't stand the truth, then too bad, but don't refer to that as exaggerated language. It is the truth. You should deal with it.

It's the woman and the doctor who make those choices, or should be, and your truth is greatly suspect in terms of accuracy. I apply the same conclusion to those that think like you without the commitment to follow through with all those babies you choose to save. That makes you as deadbeats as the dad's who walk away and fail to take responsibility. You should consider dealing with THAT truth!



Like I said. You are pro-abortion due to your refusing to oppose it. It's easier to post a lot of words than to take a stand. Too bad. You think I have no commitment to children once they are born. Your solution is to get rid of them before they are born. And between the two of us, I'm the one who spent his life working with children of all sorts in school systems. I like my position MUCH better than yours.

Good for you, because your labels and words mean nothing to me except you are entitled to them. No big deal. I respect teachers immensely as the most important members of our society and pillars of the community. I extend that same respect to you and hope you keep up the good work.


Why am I not surprised? If I ever see you say something honestly critical about Obama, I think I'll frame it. Politics. Pure politics.

Obama has been gone for nearly 3 years and I live in the NOW and what to do about todays reality. I see your zeal to denigrate the past prez as but a distraction from that reality, so ignore it and keep you focused on the importance of TODAY. That should come as no surprise since that's the way I have rolled since YOU joined the forum. Politics is a good frame of reference, just add TODAY to politics.

Where did it come from was the question. Why have the repubs who have run the congress since 2012, and the WH since 2016 not cut the debt?

Obama oversaw a doubling of the national debt. Interestingly, you did not ask why he did not cut the debt. The dems have the house now, but you did not ask why they have not cut the debt. I wonder why.

My view of the debt? Dems and repubs are both responsible. Repubs get votes by promising to cut taxes and increase defense spending. Dems get votes by promising to give goodies away. The result is 23 tril in debt. The reason is the basic stupidity of the American people who stand by and say nothing while this happens.


So the ones with 90% of the wealth only pay a bit better than half the taxes, and you think that's fair and balanced given the size of the debt and having no plan to address it, just add to it?

The feds have an income tax, not a wealth tax, which the top 5% pay almost 2/3 of. Now it does have an inheritance tax, unjust in my opinion, but that does impact very heavily on the wealthy as do property taxes, so you still do not have a valid point.


It's the woman and the doctor who make those choices, or should be, and your truth is greatly suspect in terms of accuracy. I apply the same conclusion to those that think like you without the commitment to follow through with all those babies you choose to save. That makes you as deadbeats as the dad's who walk away and fail to take responsibility. You should consider dealing with THAT truth!

That view is about as invalid as saying that the issue of slavery should have been decided between the slave owners and the slaves. At some point a person has to take a position based on the morality of killing an unborn child. You have chosen to punt. I think that's unfortunate. As for me following through with the babies, you have no idea what I do other than, of course, having spent 34 years in education helping those very children. That's just a hollow argument you are using to try and make yourself feel better about voting for people who advocate for abortion and thereby establishing yourself as pro abortion.


Obama has been gone for nearly 3 years and I live in the NOW and what to do about todays reality. I see your zeal to denigrate the past prez as but a distraction from that reality, so ignore it and keep you focused on the importance of TODAY.

A convenient position for someone who would not have criticized Obama even if he had stood by with his hands in his pockets and allowed four brave Americans to die in a distant land. That is, of course, exactly what he did, and exactly what you did, so your critiques of Trump have a hollow ring to them. When you apply the same standard to all politicians, then you will have greater validity.

I live in the NOW and what to do about todays reality

Ignore Political Reality.

Ignore Political Reality.

That's easy enough if you have a life to live, enjoy, and properly manage which I am grateful for having, and can sit and kick it with friends that I can agree and disagree with. How about you?

That's easy enough if you have a life to live, enjoy, and properly manage which I am grateful for having, and can sit and kick it with friends that I can agree and disagree with.

Friends we are, and happy to say so. We argue and fuss like brothers, but still friends at the end of the day.

I live in the NOW and what to do about todays reality.

What is it you are hoping to do in todays Reality?


Politics is a good frame of reference, just add TODAY to politics.

Sounds like you are talking "Official’ reality ( Imposed ‘reality’ ) ", Not lived reality.


so ignore it and keep you focused on the importance of TODAY.

In reality, there is ‘No Such Thing’ as TIME. I live my life in the NOW always! Successive moments of NOW is how I live my life from birth to death! TIME (clock time) is a mere convention of our elites to create ORDER (primarily for farming or the production of wealth). TIME (in reality) is ‘imaginary’ and a mere conception within my mind/consciousness. What is REAL, however, is MOTION!


That's easy enough if you have a life to live,

Live your life. Having a life to live doesn't amount to squat if you don't have truth.

You might not know it but you are just another character it a Reality program.


but still friends at the end of the day.

Reminds me of Wild E. Coyote and Sam, the sheep dog (Bugs Bunny). They tear each other up all day then Greet each other while clocking out at the end of the day.

UPDATE :

Mueller's appearance @ Congress has been "delayed " . Apparently they are having a hard time convincing him to say what they want to hear. Or maybe it's this Epstein thingy . Who told Acosta to go easy on Epstein ?????????????? hmmmmmmmmm..... inquiring minds want to know .

Mueller's appearance @ Congress has been "delayed " . Apparently they are having a hard time convincing him to say what they want to hear. Or maybe it's this Epstein thingy . Who told Acosta to go easy on Epstein ?????????????? hmmmmmmmmm..... inquiring minds want to know .

Evidently the inquiring liberal minds aren't so sure they want to know anymore. Things like this get embarrassing.

Naw what's embarrassing is the ones who holler NO COLLUSION, NO OBSTRUCTION and HAVEN'T read the darn report. Present company accepted...sort of.

Personally, I think it better to have one house lawyer asking questions and eliminate the grandstanding by any member, and save time. A day and done and we can go from there.

We are not represented by house lawyers . We are represented by members of Congress. But in fairness don't ya think under your idea that it should be 2 questioners ? I would like to hear Mueller explain why none of the Steele Dossier or the FISA court process was seriously investigated by him . The reason for the stall is the Dems strategery of defeating Trump in 2020 by a thousand cuts . Mueller wants nothing to do with hearings while he is under oath . That is why he said in his presser before the release of the Mueller dossier that he would not answer questions ;that all he had to say was in the report .

I live in the NOW and what to do about todays reality

what is today's reality is tomorrow's history. There is no reality just perception

Certainly plausible to have repub lawyers ask questions. As much as I respect Mueller and his work, he is a citizen under subpoena. Setting terms for testimony doesn't set well by me for anyone called to testify. If Hillary can get grilled for 11 hours, so can any and everybody and Mueller should have known that from the time he took the job.





what is today's reality is tomorrow's history. There is no reality just perception



The dufus is covering up and obstructing justice is my perception.

She did negotiate the terms of her testimony before the select committee .
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/hillary-clinton-testify-house-benghazi-committee


During her hearing at Congress she did classic Clintonian obfuscations and out right lies.


But more importantly ;Evita negotiated the terms of her interrogation with Comey .That was far more egregious than negotiating terms with Congress for testimony .

She did not swear an oath to tell the truth before meeting with the FBI , and the interview was not recorded.

Even though the FBI believed there was evidence that laws were broken, Comey "exonerated " Evita even though that was not his role as FBI chief . IG Horowitz found Comey was insubordinate during the probe into Evita's illegal use of a private server ; damaging both the FBI and Justice dept's image of impartiality .

Still you must admit after decades of hearings and investigations HC held up pretty well, so either she is that good, or repubs are totally incompetent. Maybe both but beating a DEAD horse seldom gets you far so allegations remain just that allegations. LOL, and the dufus fired Comey for the way she treated HC in public during a presidential campaign run, in which the allegations and Access Hollywood tapes were completely ignored by the family values repubs.

Mueller will testify, and we will see if the dufus broke more laws than alleged, as more evidence mounts on many fronts besides this one.

Mueller will testify, and we will see if the dufus broke more laws than alleged, as more evidence mounts on many fronts besides this one.

I think Mueller testifying could end up being a nightmare for the dems.

"What did you discover about the FISA court warrant? Did you even investigate that? If no, then why not?"
"Why did you only employee left-wing, anti-Trump lawyers and investigators? Didn't that give your investigation the appearance of a partisan witch hunt?"
"Am I correct in believing that you found no evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russkies?"

I want to hear the answers to those questions.

"What did you discover about the FISA court warrant? Did you even investigate that? If no, then why not?"

Which one and why would Mueller investigate the fisa court warrants?

"Why did you only employee left-wing, anti-Trump lawyers and investigators? Didn't that give your investigation the appearance of a partisan witch hunt?"

Which anti trump left wing lawyers are you referring too?

"Am I correct in believing that you found no evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russkies?"

The investigation was aimed at conspiracy, but was blocked by dufus workers and non cooperation, or destroyed POSSIBLE evidence. Some evidentiary documents or records lost deleted not found. Was there probable cause for continued investigation into the conspiracy case...YES!

"I want to hear the answers to those questions."

Loony right winger talking points you mean, nothing to do with Russian Interference that was clear and detailed in the report, you should read it, or wait for the movie. Up to you what you believe, but the dufus colluded with Russia, if not conspired or officially coordinated.

Russia stole stuff the dufus used it, and asked for more. That's collusion. The events are the evidence. That goes double for obstruction.

"What did you discover about the FISA court warrant? Did you even investigate that? If no, then why not?"

SUBJECT OF ANOTHER INVESTIGATION OUT SIDE THE SC PURVIEW.

"Why did you only employee left-wing, anti-Trump lawyers and investigators? Didn't that give your investigation the appearance of a partisan witch hunt?"

NO HOAX OR WITCH HUNT AND PERSONAL POLITICS PLAYED NO ROLE IN THE INVESTIGATION

"Am I correct in believing that you found no evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russkies?"

NOT ENOUGH TO PROVE CONSPIRACY, AND WAS OBSTRUCTED BY WITNESS LYING, DESTROYING AND DELETED POSSIBLE EVIDENCE, AND FURTHER INVESTIGATION THROUGH SUBPOENAS AND COURT PROCEEDINGS WOULD TAKE A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME.

Bottom line for me...Nothing new if you read the report for yourself as Mueller only confirmed his findings as written, and his investigation is over, and others remain open. Mueller did state however that the dufus embrace of Russian interference, and spreading hacked information was disturbing, intentional, and the case for obstruct has been clearly laid out point by point to a great extent.

According to Mueller the Russian interference tactics are ongoing and evolving and we should be suspicious of a CIC who does not acknowledge such activities and take positive steps to protect us from it. In short more of the same from Russia and OTHERS!

SUBJECT OF ANOTHER INVESTIGATION OUT SIDE THE SC PURVIEW. a big lie . But I'll painstakingly read the testimonies .

Mueller hearing completed. The case to impeach Trump probably just went up in smoke.

Yes Meuller couldn't tell them Trump was not guilty of something, probably blowing his nose in public

one thing clear . The reports name has to be changed to the Andrew Weisman Dossier .Mueller did not know a thing that was in the report . His only answer to most questions is whatever is in the report is what I vouch for . As an example ;Joseph Mifsud was the person who fed Papadopoulos the stuff about the Russians having dirt on Hillary .His name is mentioned a number of times in the report . Yet Mueller did not appear to know the connection and why it was indeed in his perusal and that it was critical information to consider when investigating Russian interference in the election .

a big lie . But I'll painstakingly read the testimonies .

That's good you do that for the testimony when the repubs asked him about that subject.


Mueller hearing completed. The case to impeach Trump probably just went up in smoke.

I think this is just the beginning


Yes Meuller couldn't tell them Trump was not guilty of something, probably blowing his nose in public

I think the obstruction testimony was quite telling, as well as the proving what the dufus knew about the Russian interference and invited more and never called the FBI, and covered up the whole Russia thing to the American public by hollering the Russia thing is a hoax. And he got a lot of the presidents men!


one thing clear . The reports name has to be changed to the Andrew Weisman Dossier .Mueller did not know a thing that was in the report . His only answer to most questions is whatever is in the report is what I vouch for . As an example ;Joseph Mifsud was the person who fed Papadopoulos the stuff about the Russians having dirt on Hillary .His name is mentioned a number of times in the report . Yet Mueller did not appear to know the connection and why it was indeed in his perusal and that it was critical information to consider when investigating Russian interference in the election .

If you can recheck that you may find he couldn't talk about it because other investigations were involved. Come on guys there was actually nothing new if you had read the report, and the Russian interference is still being investigated, so we just wait for Barr to deal with the fisa investigation which is like the fox escorting the chickens to the coop!

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Nothing new here, no great disclosure, just more nothing

I think this is just the beginning

They say this is just the beginning
Though the excitement for Mueller's now gone
There's a strange thing about these beginnings
They just seem to go on and on

They say this is just the beginning
Though the excitement for Mueller's now gone
There's a strange thing about these beginnings
They just seem to go on and on
Yay for Mueller!
Pass me a cruller
Lest I get duller.

Soon see a perp walk
Then we all will talk
Will he dare to balk?

Finally it'll be done
(No, not so much fun.)
Wonder who will run?

Yay for Mueller!
Pass me a cruller
Lest I get duller.

Now you got to admit. That's pretty lame. "Pass me a cruller lest I get duller." Really??? "Lest I get duller"???

Wondergirl thinks she's a poet.
She does get the rhythm and rhyme.
But with words like "cruller" and "duller"
Her development still needs more time.

Wondergirl thinks she's a poet.
She does get the rhythm and rhyme.
But with words like "cruller" and "duller"
Her development still needs more time.
Okay. I made it better. Whew! Thanks for the encouragement!

Yay for Mueller!
Pass Trump a cruller
Lest he get duller.

Okay, I made it better.

Yay for Mueller!
Pass Trump a cruller
Lest he get duller.

The high point is the use of cruller. I must admit that is imaginative, but the "lest he get duller" is still lame. You must try harder!!

So much for Mueller
Pass the dems a cruller
They could't get much duller
Since their hopes are in the cellar

Now I like that much better, even though "cellar" is a reach.

The high point is the use of cruller. I must admit that is imaginative, but the "lest he get duller" is still lame. You must try harder!!
Yeah, you're right. How much duller can that man get?!

Yay for Muller!
Trump can't get duller --
Give him a cruller.

Yay for Muller!
Trump can't get duller --
Give him a cruller.

Now you have to admit. Trump might be many things, but "dull" is not one of them. I wish he was a little duller.

I like my version a little better. Sorry.

I think it is wonderful . Put it to a rock beat and you can become famous like Steve Miller who managed to rhyme 'Texas' ,facts is' ,'justice' ,and' taxes 'in a single verse of his greatest hit.

I think it is wonderful . Put it to a rock beat and you can become famous like Steve Miller who managed to rhyme 'Texas' ,facts is' ,'justice' ,and' taxes 'in a single verse of his greatest hit.

I'll be waiting to hear it on the radio.

I think it is wonderful . Put it to a rock beat and you can become famous like Steve Miller who managed to rhyme 'Texas' ,facts is' ,'justice' ,and' taxes 'in a single verse of his greatest hit.
I'm working on dance steps. Might revise the words and make it a rap tune. I wrote one for my hematologist last year.

Might revise the words and make it a rap tune. I wrote one for my hematologist last year.

Be sure to post the video once it's done. Better do it fast. Mueller will be forgotten about in a couple more weeks.

Be sure to post the video once it's done. Better do it fast. Mueller will be forgotten about in a couple more weeks.
I'll just rewrite it with you and my other AMHD friends in mind! You can't squelch creativity!

Be sure to post the video once it's done. Better do it fast. Mueller will be forgotten about in a couple more weeks.

Not on your nellie, not while Trump is in the WH and there is a Demonrat alive

the lie of the year " beyond my purview

The most amazing response by Mueller occurred when he was asked about Christopher Steele reporting to the FBI that senior Russian officials told him that there was extensive evidence of conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the Russian government. He replied that it was beyond his purview. That's just astonishing to me. You would have thought they would have jumped all over that, but instead they completely ignored it.

The most amazing response by Mueller occurred when he was asked about Christopher Steele reporting to the FBI that senior Russian officials told him that there was extensive evidence of conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the Russian government. He replied that it was beyond his purview. That's just astonishing to me. You would have thought they would have jumped all over that, but instead they completely ignored it.

"Russian officials told him". It is good he didn't join in their disinformation campaign. How Putin would have reveled to bring down a US President even one as friendly as Trump. I wonder why GHB didn't include Russia in his axis of evil afterall each was a Russian client state, but then George wasn't the brightest kid on the block , he relied too much on intelligence, what an oxymorn that was

It is good he didn't join in their disinformation campaign.

How do you know that's true?

How do you know that's true?

he obviously kept his nose out of it, knowing he couldn't indict a sitting president

OK. You are talking about Mueller. I thought you were referring to Steele. But if there was a disinformation campaign, shouldn't that have been part of his investigation which was, after all, supposed to be about Russian interference in our election?

The most amazing response by Mueller occurred when he was asked about Christopher Steele reporting to the FBI that senior Russian officials told him that there was extensive evidence of conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the Russian government. He replied that it was beyond his purview. That's just astonishing to me. You would have thought they would have jumped all over that, but instead they completely ignored it.

You were so astonished that you missed that Steele/FISA warrants were part of another investigation by someone else? What else did you miss?

You were so astonished that you missed that Steele/FISA warrants were part of another investigation by someone else? What else did you miss?

I noticed the guy who was charged with investigating Russian interference in our 2016 election deciding NOT to investigate an absolutely jaw-dropping allegation of Russian interfering in the 2016 election. I don't believe it was being investigated by anyone else when Mueller received his commission.

But I commend you for your persistence in making excuses for the anti-Trump crowd. Just another example of Trump Derangement Syndrome.

The real investigative work is underway by AG Barr,Dunham and his team. Inspector
Clouseau proved to be as incompetent as I expected . It became clear that this was not the Mueller Report . It was the Andrew Weissman dossier and Weissman was brought on to the team to cover up Any so called limitations to Mueller's "perview" was self imposed ,or imposed on him by the ring leaders of the cover up. He had no problem going back years before his appointment to take down Manafort . Almost none of the charges against Manafort or Gates related to so called Russian interference or collusion. So let's put this lame excuse of beyond his perview to rest for good.

How in hell could he investigate it if he did not get into the origins of the charges ? The Steele dossier Christopher Steele ,Glenn Simpson ,Fusion GPS ,their paymasters at the Evita campaign and the DNC ,and the involvement of persons like Alexander Downer ,and
Joseph Mifsud were all central at the outset of the FBI probe/spying on the Trump campaign .Why was he even grilling
George Papadopoulos if not for investigating the origins ?
BTW ,if you think Mueller's lame feeble perfomance in testimony was some age related issue ;I refer you to his stonewalling in front of the same congressional committees when the FBI covered up the emperor's abuses related to the IRS scandal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x6Pj8W4mPc&fbclid=IwAR1aauk1UNOIGPNfrtqfccLNtdphlpvYXFtbU1RkF f0iAlgW3NuzkKLkPCY

Nice try Tomder, conflating a bunch of stuff together to make the narrative that Mueller found NOTHING! He wasn't there for style points, and clearly refuted the big lie of the dufus being exonerated of collusion and obstruction, and confirmed the main issue of the RUSSIANS interfered and the Dufus welcomed it.

I get you have questions about other things, clearly still under scrutiny in other quarters, and the dominant party and sycophant Barr can check it out, but on this REPORT the conclusions are clear and verified by even the Dufus intel community. Moron Moscow Mitch is blocking any efforts to deal with THAT issue.

exoneration happens when a conviction is reversed and is not in the "purview" of a prosecutor .Mueller's use of the term was just more nonsense. Either he found evidence that warrants an indictment or he didn't .And he said a number of times he didn't . Whether there was Russian "interference " or not is all well and good . What Mueller did not establish was that Trump conspired with the Russians in their efforts .

How could any of that be established when Mueller all but denied in testimony of ever hearing of Glenn Simpson ? He did not know that Simpson met with
Natalia Veselnitskaya immediately before and immediately after the Trump Tower meeting , Did he interview Julian Assange to find out if WikiLeaks really got the "hacked" DNC emails from the Russians ? NO.
Part one of his report was vague on how Wiki got them . Assange denies his source was Russian .Further he said he'd welcome being interviewed about he obtained the DNC material . Did Mueller or the FBI take possession of the DNC server ? or did the FBI allow the DNC to use their own people at
CrowdStrike, to clean up the server even though it was allegedly evidence in a criminal case ? When evidence from the DNC server was submitted to the FBI it was heavily redacted so we really do not know and there is no proof given that the GRU through Guccifer 2 was the hacker .The report's language was that (GRU)Unit 26165 officers appear to have stolen thousands of emails and attachments

He allowed CrowdStrike and the Democratic Party’s legal counsel to decide what investigators could and could not see ;surrendering the ability to independently vet their claims. The government also took CrowdStrike's word that "no redacted information concerned the attribution of the attack to Russian actors."

Mueller does not even present sufficient evidence that the Russian government was behind it . He says the social media campaign waged by Russian was done by an alleged private entity called Internet Research Agency (IRA).Mueller never established the link between IRA and the Russian government.


So you will excuse me if I find the claim of Russian interference and Trump conspiring with them less than established .

Didn't bother to read the report, nor listen to the testimony. If you did you would not be making the lack of evidence against the dufus for conpiracy a talking point, nor the lack of evidence against the Russians some incompetence against the report. There is a whole detailed section of the Russian interference, and most of those things were turned over to the FBI and since you cannot indict a sitting president the Mueller Team chose not to pursue what evidence they did have on that subject. Administration obstruction, destroying evidence and non response was cited in the report, as well as testimony. I think you have gotten to the point of allegations without factual background that is readily available to the public, so no excuse for such a diatribe, but none of us is privvy to the redacted portions of the report, or the details of the other investigations in progress which is at least 9 by my count, and 14 as reported by some.

Just want to bring up the FBI release that just came out citing the role of Russia in hacking all 50 states election data, and still you don't even acknowledge Moscow Mitch obstructing even Bi partisan measure nor connect the dots or raise a peep to the money trail that leads to his back pocket from previously sanctioned Russian oligarchs and companies. Naw the right and repubs ain't got a peep to say about any of those things. Wonder why?

Bi partisan measure

I must be missing something here. It got one republican vote in the House. In what way was it bi-partisan?

There are some measures being considered in the Senate that are bi-partisan. Maybe that was your reference?

All these different threads. Sometimes I forget which one I'm on.


So why is Moscow Mitch stopping legislature to protect us in this cyberwar against countries interfering in our election?

https://www.salon.com/2019/07/26/msnbcs-joe-scarborough-buries-moscow-mitch-mcconnell-for-selling-out-american-democracy-to-russia_partner/

You can attribute too old age and feebleness that Robert Mueller didn't know there is no such thing as "exoneration" in our justice system and our laws and that no prosecutor has ever "exonerated" anyone. But even scarier, the House Judiciary Chairman didn't know that?

Well the dufus and Barr sure took it and ran with it for weeks before we got the lowdown it was a LIE! If there is no such thing, then can we assume that the dufus is GUILTY of obstruction and the conspiracy allegation needs a deeper look? Why Not? Maybe review my posting on the subject and my opinion that there is plenty of stuff we could charge the dufus with before he leaves office as I don't buy the DOJ policy that a sitting Prez can't be indicted.

can we assume that the dufus is GUILTY of obstruction

In our country, no, you cannot assume that.

Sure you can but not in a court of law and we are not and there is enough evidence to say dude dufus is dirty!

The Dem bill is political theater . Notice how the Dems made this an issue right before the Mueller testimony where the only coherent thing he said was that there continues to be an election threat . Show me one voting machine that was compromised in 2012 . For all the bluster ;you can't find one . Money was already allocated from previous spending bills for election infrastructure support and many states have yet to implement the provisions of that bill .
https://www.wsj.com/articles/states-detail-election-security-plans-1534856401?mod=article_inline

The truth is that their bill has nothing to do with election security .It is the opposite . It is actually a bid to seize control of local elections, prohibit measures that prevent voter fraud, and compel the use of ballot handling procedures that are easily manipulated.

Under the provisions of H.R. 1, all jurisdictions are required to use no-fault absentee ballots, which can be conveniently filled out and submitted from home. They have given rise to a practice called ballot harvesting, in which activists track down voters, "help" them fill out their ballots, and then offer to submit them.How can the nationwide imposition of no-fault absentee ballots possibly be construed as an election security measure to counter Russian meddling ?

How does a law that prevents states from implementing voter id laws have anything to do with securing the ballot from Russian meddling ? If anything it removes a protection . It makes the ballot less secure .


Compelling states to accept votes from convicted and even currently imprisoned felons does nothing to prevent Russian interference.

And I have not even scratched the surface about all the provisions in the bill intended to nationalize our election system replacing it with a Democrat wish list . Just look at all the sub-titles of the bill to see how comprehensive a change this bill would be to our electoral system .

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/1/all-info

They can fool you into thinking this is about Russian meddling .But it doesn't fool me .

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/1/all-info#latestSummary-content

So which of these provisions did you abject to along with repubs and why? Here is the blocked Senate bill.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/1540/text

I know, a lot of reading between innings!

I don't buy the DOJ policy that a sitting Prez can't be indicted.


neither do I . I find the legalities of the decision dubious.
I do not believe the Framers intended to insulate a sitting president from indictment.
It has been in place for a long time ;long before Trump. .

However while Mueller says that it would have been unfairly prejudicial to Trump to recommend charges when the president would not have been able to defend himself ;he somehow thinks it was perfectly fair to Trump for Mueller to publish his evidence in a document written for exploitation by congressional Democrats and the media.

You were so astonished that you missed that Steele/FISA warrants were part of another investigation by someone else? What else did you miss? Clearly us missed that the Mueller investigation predates the Barr investigation into the origins . He is outright lying when he says it was not in his purview. He was clearly given the mandate in the appointment letter by Rosenstein.

Anyone who watched the hearing would have a hard time defending Mueller. I felt sorry for him. He seemed completely lost.

Perhaps you could extend your comments to incompetent

Perhaps you could extend your comments to incompetent

I was trying to be a little kind.

If you wanted a performance you should watch the Academy Awards, or a good movie. The hearings were none of that but a serious airing of the facts found in Muellers Report. Leave it to conservatives to take style points and loud noise over substance, and ignore the facts.

The fact is that it became clear while listening to the hearings was that Mueller was a figurehead and the real work of the investigation and report itself was produced by that pit bull goon Andrew Weissman . I recognized his Gestapo tactics early on because I witnessed the same garbage during his prosecutions of Enron and the Arthur Anderson accounting firm.


Weissman's prosecution of Arthur Anderson accounting firm cost 100,000 people their jobs . SCOTUS later UNANIMOUSLY overturned the conviction .The defendants in the Enron case filed multiple complaints about Weissman threatening witnesses. The judge had to assure lawyers for witnesses that their clients could meet with the Enron defendants without the government’s permission and that the government could not target witnesses for prosecution based on their cooperation with the defendants. Weissman's conduct was noted and he abruptly resigned from the Enron task force and the DOJ in the middle of jury deliberations indicates that he was forced out by the DOJ .His resignation came following trial testimony from two witnesses that “based on discussions with the Task Force before their testimony, they both felt threatened by a possible indictment if they testified on behalf of the defendants.”

The conduct of the Mueller task force was if anything even more brutal . Roger Stone and his wife were woken by a pre-dawn raid of their home . CNN was tipped and was there in full force to cover the raid and Stone's arrest . This happened AFTER Stone had already agreed to surrender himself. They extracted a confession from General Flynn after they threatened prosecution against his son. There is real doubt even among the FBI agents that sat in on the Flynn interview that he actually perjured himself .It was Weissman that orchestrated the Gestapo-like pre-dawn raid on Manafort in his home, holding him and his family at gunpoint (although all of them were unarmed and posed no threat to federal agents). Manafort spent 8 months locked up in solitary confinement because he attempted to contact someone to serve as a witness for his defense. The purpose was not because Manafort was too dangerous or for his protection . The purpose was to break his will . It was torture pure and simple .Manafort is now in a wheelchair . Jerome Corsi is suing the Special Council office after he turned down a plea deal that would've had him lie.
It was recently revealed that Weissman went to the lawyers of a Ukraine oligarch with a deal that if they lied about Trump and they would make his 2014 criminal charges go away . Weissman gave them specific instructions on which lies about Trump to tell .

So Weissman's foot print was all over the case .

Leave it to conservatives to take style points and loud noise over substance, and ignore the facts.

I was actually referring to the substance. The loud noise, as best I could tell, came from the dems.

I've read the right wing attacks on Weissman, and the ones on Mueller, so no surprise discrediting the report targets the ones who worked on it. Laughable that you make grifters and opportunist like Page, and Stone some kind of heroes in the process, but now that the FIRST shoe has fallen, more may yet fall too. Going after rich bad guys really bums you guys out huh?


I was actually referring to the substance. The loud noise, as best I could tell, came from the dems.

Not one repub asked Mueller about the Russians. Guess they were more interested in protecting the dufus than the nation.

My reference was not to the report. My reference was to Mueller himself.


Laughable that you make grifters and opportunist like Page, and Stone some kind of heroes in the process,

You are living in your fantasy world again. I never mentioned any of those people.


but now that the FIRST shoe has fallen, more may yet fall too

If any shoe has fallen, it is a shoe for a newborn. Good luck with that. The absolute hatred of Trump is reaching ever greater heights.

Denial, and derision is the typical MO for you, but you aren't the only poster here so please learn how to duck, and save yourself such a mistake of getting in the way of things aimed at others. Meanwhile the dufus seeks to replace DNI Coates with his handpicked sycophant who like other repubs, chose to attack Mueller instead of inquire about the Russian cyber attack like everyone has acknowledged with facts and evidence including a bi partisan senate committee.

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/morning-cybersecurity/2019/07/26/senate-election-security-report-prompts-calls-for-action-696550

https://www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/buzz/2019/07/26/new-report-on-florida-elections-hacking-raises-old-questions-what-did-rick-scott-know-and-when/

Coates' replacement Repub Ratcliffe has zero intelligence experience. Among his more bizarre comments there is included this about the Mueller Report, "(The Report) was not authorized to be written". No one knows what the HADES he's talking about.

One of Trump's reptiles from the Trump swamp, Ratcliffe is more of the same. He is also the nitwit who referred to the Democratic members of the committee as "socialists". He's prone to foot-in-mouth disease so Bone-Spur Donald will probably try to hide him.

Coates' replacement Repub Ratcliffe has zero intelligence experience. Among his more bizarre comments there is included this about the Mueller Report, "(The Report) was not authorized to be written". No one knows what the HADES he's talking about.

One of Trump's reptiles from the Trump swamp, Ratcliffe is more of the same. He is also the nitwit who referred to the Democratic members of the committee as "socialists". He's prone to foot-in-mouth disease so Bone-Spur Donald will probably try to hide him.

And just because you don't agree he is a nitwit. From my persepective, it seems the Demonrats think everyone who doesn't agree with them is a nitwit, however, the opposite may be true it may just be a chorus of nitwits agreeing with each other

It was just more of the well-reasoned analysis from the folks who believe in tolerance and civility. The way some of these posts virtually drip with hatred and anger is really quite a sight to see.

Would you be dripping with anger if you were fed a steady dose of lies, deceit, and incompetence? Think about what was said this morning. The dufus gives money to farmers as a subsidy that he gets from the tariffs he puts on China. Who makes money from all that technology that was sold to Saudi Arabia and the senate could not stop it? A dufus sycophant donor is the answer.

Of course you tolerate the lies and don't get angry, because you probably don't know these things are going on. Maybe you should question what YOU tolerate from this lying, cheating dufus before you criticize what others don't, JL.

When I see the Dems howling at the moon then I know it was probably a good appointment.

If you mean one of our Texas congress persons like Ratcliff then maybe you should at least google his qualifications for such an important appointment. Maybe there is a good reason to howl about the people the dufus nominates.

Would you be dripping with anger if you were fed a steady dose of lies, deceit, and incompetence?

I don't know of any greater example of lying and deceit in recent memory than the lying and deceit that went on with Obama and Benghazi. I'll bet you did not respond to that in any manner at all and certainly not even close to what you say about Trump.

And as to incompetence, you voted for absolutely the most incompetent candidate for pres of my lifetime in HC.

Now you see how it works? It is very easy to make political observations without engaging in low-class name calling and hateful comments.


Of course you tolerate the lies and don't get angry, because you probably don't know these things are going on. Maybe you should question what YOU tolerate from this lying, cheating dufus before you criticize what others don't, JL.

And maybe you should realize a simple fact. That knife cuts both ways.

You can't take part of a quote ignore the rest and try to scold me with it. Then run your own half truths and skewed version.


"Would you be dripping with anger if you were fed a steady dose of lies, deceit, and incompetence? Think about what was said this morning. The dufus gives money to farmers as a subsidy that he gets from the tariffs he puts on China. Who makes money from all that technology that was sold to Saudi Arabia and the senate could not stop it? A dufus sycophant donor is the answer."

My responses are in the archives of this forum from when it was a Current Event. I wasn't making an observation, just questioning his REAL TIME lies...yet again.

Ratcliffe exposed as the source of the infamous FBI "Secret Society" hoax!

This nitwit is the clown Trump wants to head the intelligence efforts of the US.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. You just can't make this stuff up!

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

Starting a little over two years ago. Silent before then when all kinds of lying was going on.

TDS.

I don't like the guy. I'd rather have someone else, but I hope I can have some sort of consistency in the kind of ethics I expect from a pres. He's done nothing, in my view, that has risen to the level of HC and her amateur email server being used for national security transmissions, and then being professionally wiped clean along with her dozen or so cell phones being destroyed by hammer blows.

her amateur email server being used for national security transmissions, and that wasn't the real reason for the server. She did it so she could conduct the Clintoon Foundation pay for play and play for access scheme under the radar.

Starting a little over two years ago. Silent before then when all kinds of lying was going on.

TDS.

I don't like the guy. I'd rather have someone else, but I hope I can have some sort of consistency in the kind of ethics I expect from a pres. He's done nothing, in my view, that has risen to the level of HC and her amateur email server being used for national security transmissions, and then being professionally wiped clean along with her dozen or so cell phones being destroyed by hammer blows.

Stop holding your nose and see what the dufus has done with his life...ALL his life and what he is doing now, pretty much the same stuff. You said the knife cuts both ways, then consider your own TDS as well. Also consider his southern strategy on steroids modeled by that other repub crook!

LOL, Tom, the dufus pay to play charities were a straight up scam! Not me saying it, but a judge banned the whole family for life.

Stop holding your nose and see what the dufus has done with his life...ALL his life and what he is doing now, pretty much the same stuff.

Yep. He has been a financial success all his life, and now our economy is a reflection of that. Well said!

LOL, Tom, the dufus pay to play charities were a straight up scam! Not me saying it, but a judge banned the whole family for life.


https://www.documentarystorm.com/clinton-cash

Yep. He has been a financial success all his life, and now our economy is a reflection of that. Well said!
And that's his moral compass.

And that's his moral compass.

And what moral compass do you suppose Hillary uses? AOC? Warren? Pelosi? Rev. Sanders?

You guys kill me. You have the worst person in US history as the president of the country and all you can find to do is harp on Hillary Clinton's emails and promote the "financial success" of the dufus, a person whose tweets you claim to be against and yet you keep supporting the clown. My dislike of Trump is nothing compared to your unbridled hatred of Hillary Clinton who hasn't been on the world stage for years now, yet you can't let go of your obesssion.

As for his "financial success", he took a huge inheritance and managed to get a lower return than if he had just let it ride in the market. His only success was as a TV celebrity - a role he continues to play.

Christians shouldn't tag along with the devil. Some of the evil is going to rub off on you.

You guys kill me. You have the worst person in US history as the president of the country and all you can find to do is harp on Hillary Clinton's emails and promote the "financial success" of the dufus, a person whose tweets you claim to be against and yet you keep supporting the clown. My dislike of Trump is nothing compared to your unbridled hatred of Hillary Clinton who hasn't been on the world stage for years now, yet you can't let go of your obesssion.

Oh please. You speak in the most hateful terms about Trump, and you think you have possession of the moral high ground? Hardly. If you liberal dems want to complain, try nominating someone who has character superior to Trump. HC was not that person. The only thing she had going for her was her gender and the perception it was time to have a female pres. She had no accomplishments and no character.

As to Trump's financial success, he took about 10 mil from his dad and increased it more than a hundred fold. When you have done even a tenth of that, get back with us.


As for his "financial success", he took a huge inheritance and managed to get a lower return than if he had just let it ride in the market. His only success was as a TV celebrity - a role he continues to play.

Oh please. You speak in the most hateful terms about Trump,

Nothing comes close to your hatred of Hillary that you've been nursing for 20-30 years.


and you think you have possession of the moral high ground?

A flea has a higher moral ground than Trump.


Hardly. Try nominating someone who has character superior to Trump. HC was not that person. The only thing she had going for her was her gender and the perception it was time to have a female pres.

Did you learn your misogynism from Trump or did you already have it before Trump?


She had no accomplishments and no character.

Only years as a senator and being Secretary of State! No accomplishments, indeed! All this while your hero was groping women and sexually assaulting women too numerous to count. Your value system is about as bizarre as any I have ever encountered.


As to Trump's financial success, he took about 10 mil from his dad

Convert that to current dollars, count the times dear old dad had to bail him out, then count the bankruptcies, the illegal schemes, the refusal to pay his legitimate construction invoices, and his outright criminal schemes such as the phony Trump University. When you do all that, get back to me, ok?

collusion ;impeachment are dead issues. Wasn't mentioned once last night ;and Russia was only brought up in reference to a nuclear deal . Take a cue from my favorite candidate we have to stop using all this "wonkiness " and"deal with the dark psychic force "

Hatred of HC? The only people on this board who resort to hate-filled name calling are the liberals, led by you. Might as well own up to it.


Convert that to current dollars, count the times dear old dad had to bail him out, then count the bankruptcies, the illegal schemes, the refusal to pay his legitimate construction invoices, and his outright criminal schemes such as the phony Trump University. When you do all that, get back to me, ok?

What is it about starting with 10 mil and ending up worth well over a billion that you don't understand? What is it about increasing your net worth by about 10 thousand percent in only fifty years that is so hard to comprehend? Most people successful in business go through failure. Your hatred of Trump is clouding your judgement.


Only years as a senator and being Secretary of State! No accomplishments, indeed!

Those are not accomplishments; they are federal office positions. While in those federal positions she accomplished nothing. And yeah, if anyone mentions someone being a woman, they must be a misogynist. That's the standard liberal, non-thinking position.


"deal with the dark psychic force "

And to this point the democrats have come. If Trump can learn to keep his mouth shut, he'll win in a landslide.

It's not name calling if it's TRUE! I own my words so don't care who likes them and who doesn't. The dufus can't keep his mouth shut, blasting at will and offensively, and runs from close scrutiny like a scalded dog! He started his life at 3rd base and a silver spoon in his lying mouth from a father who taught him how to lie, cheat, steal, scheme and scam, and he has continued down the path of lying., cheating, and stealing, like the crook he is to get where he is.

He is a racist and disgrace to the office, and won't ever shut his mouth like most bullies, so forget that landslide. He can be beat in 2020 if we turnout like we did in 2018 in key swing states.

lie, cheat, steal, scheme and scam, and he has continued down the path of lying., cheating, and stealing, like the crook he is to get where he is.

All of which was true of the person you voted for in 2016. You might as well stop complaining until you guys nominate someone who actually has some character.



He is a racist and disgrace to the office, and won't ever shut his mouth like most bullies, so forget that landslide. He can be beat in 2020 if we turnout like we did in 2018 in key swing states.

And we're right back to it. You don't like him, so he must be a racist. The ridiculous and absurd overuse of the word "racist" has robbed it of all meaning. It's the word liberals tend to toss around when they have nothing meaningful to say.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1156426449399816193

All of which was true of the person you voted for in 2016. You might as well stop complaining until you guys nominate someone who actually has some character.

I'm not complaining, just pointing out the lousy character of the guy YOU voted for in 2016.
Anyone we nominate of the current field will no doubt have more character than the guy you voted for in 2016.You probably know that already.


And we're right back to it. You don't like him, so he must be a racist. The ridiculous and absurd overuse of the word "racist" has robbed it of all meaning. It's the word liberals tend to toss around when they have nothing meaningful to say.

His words, actions, behavior over his life, make him a racist, not my dislike of him. By your standards maybe there is no such thing and you are tired of those that have seen and lived with it holler about it. I understand but denying it, or ignoring it won't make it go away and until YOU understand THAT, your stuck with it.

Just like us liberals are stuck with you conservatives who refuse to meet in the middle and make things better.

I'm not complaining,

You're not complaining??? Really?


just pointing out the lousy character of the guy YOU voted for in 2016.

I can have some sympathy for that point, but you completely ignore the lousy character of the person YOU voted for, and that just seems awfully inconsistent to me.


Anyone we nominate of the current field will no doubt have more character than the guy you voted for in 2016.You probably know that already.

Warren? Harris? Biden? Sanders? They all have their own character issues. I guess the difference is, they seem to be career politicians who have never accomplished much. I do give Trump credit for his clearly demonstrated business success.


His words, actions, behavior over his life, make him a racist, not my dislike of him. By your standards maybe there is no such thing and you are tired of those that have seen and lived with it holler about it. I understand but denying it, or ignoring it won't make it go away and until YOU understand THAT, your stuck with it.

We just don't agree on that. I know of no evidence that Trump is a racist. There is plenty of reason to believe he is not. https://deplorablekel.com/2017/08/23/10-facts-that-prove-president-trump-is-not-racist/


Just like us liberals are stuck with you conservatives who refuse to meet in the middle and make things better.

Tell me where the middle is and we can talk about it. I'd love to hear your opinions.

I know of no evidence that Trump is a racist.

Incredible statement! Not all racists wear white sheets and pointy hats - a fact you know well.

You like links, so chew on these.

https://fortune.com/2016/06/07/donald-trump-racism-quotes/
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-racist-examples_n_56d47177e4b03260bf777e83
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.html
https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/12/racism-and-donald-trump-a-common-thread-throughout-his-career-and-life

Want more? Nah, you probably won't even read these. You might trip on the truth and hurt yourself.

Article from Fortune. Absolute joke involving what a man said Trump's father had done.

Second article. Innuendo. Nonsense.

Couldn't read the Times article without an account.

This paragraph from the fourth article was a perfect example of the nonsense in these articles. "2011: While Trump suggested that Obama wasn’t born in the US, he also argued that maybe Obama wasn’t a good enough student to have gotten into Columbia or Harvard Law School, and demanded Obama release his university transcripts. Trump claimed, “I heard he was a terrible student. Terrible. How does a bad student go to Columbia and then to Harvard?”

He said something questionable about Obama, so of course he must be a racist. Some people say they heard what someone else heard Trump say. The DOJ filed a suit and of course they are always right. And on and on it goes.

TDS. Plain and simple. In the meantime, I doubt you read the ONE article I linked.

Another passage from the fourth hit piece. "Most recently, Trump tweeted that several black and brown members of Congress are “from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe” and that they should “go back” to those countries. The tweets, aimed at Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY), Ayanna Pressley (D-MA), Ilhan Omar (D-MN), and Rashida Tlaib (D-MI), exemplify a common racist trope used against immigrants and minority groups who criticize US policies. Democrats, including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, condemned Trump’s tweets as racist."

He said something about four democrats. They are kooks to many of us, but since Pelosi decided it was racist, then of course it was. It couldn't possibly have been simply a political statement. After all, anything negative said about people of color is automatically, to liberal dems, a sign of racism.

In the meantime, Rishida Tlaib, one of those women of color, said of Trump, "We are going to impeach the MF." That, of course, passes muster just fine.

The tweets, aimed at Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY), Ayanna Pressley (D-MA), Ilhan Omar (D-MN), and Rashida Tlaib (D-MI), exemplify a common racist trope used against immigrants and minority groups who criticize US policies. Democrats, including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, condemned Trump’s tweets as racist."


So according to your theorem, Nancy Pelosi is the authority on racism perhaps this OP would shed some light on Pelosi and her attitudes to the Group
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perhaps this OP would shed some light on Pelosi and her attitudes to the Group
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Your link Infostormer.com is named after the Nazi publication Der Sturmer by Julius Streiecher who was executed as part of the Nuremberg trials in 1946.

It is a Neo-Nazi, anti-Semite, Holocaust denier, pro Jewish genocide, segment of the alt-right. It supports Trump, but I'm sure Trump would deny any knowledge of the organization just as he once denied any knowledge of David Duke.

Have you come this far, paraclete, to be linking to such an evil website? I pray that AMHD is not becoming a place for this evil to be promulgated.

=jlisenbe;3838853 Innuendo. Nonsense.


That's why I purposely referred you to the KKK so you would know that racism is not just midnight rides and white sheets.

Trump, like any weaselly con-man, is able to be ambiguous so the weak-minded see only the surface of what he claims. "Dog whistle" has become a common expression for racism that most people get. Trump communicates racial subtleties to his loyal base who know exactly what he means. He's been doing it for decades.

Even so, sometimes he gets caught. After 5 minority teenagers had been acquitted of a crime for which they had unjustly served many years, Trump continued to call them guilty even after DNA evidence proved otherwise. Why? They were brown and black. To this day, he still believes Obama was born in Africa, although public pressure made him grudgingly take that back. Then there's the refusal to rent to African-Americans in his apartments. Even after being fined by the Feds, he did it again! That should be an easy one to understand.

Trump, like any weaselly con-man, is able to be ambiguous so the weak-minded see only the surface of what he claims.

I assume that you, of course, do not consider yourself to be amongst the "weak-minded". Wow. What a comment.


After 5 minority teenagers had been acquitted of a crime for which they had unjustly served many years, Trump continued to call them guilty even after DNA evidence proved otherwise. Why? They were brown and black. To this day, he still believes Obama was born in Africa, although public pressure made him grudgingly take that back. Then there's the refusal to rent to African-Americans in his apartments. Even after being fined by the Feds, he did it again! That should be an easy one to understand.

1. The "because they were black and brown" is pure conjecture on your part.
2. I don't think he believes Obama was born in Kenya, but even if he did, that would be more politics than anything else. Oops! I forgot about your mystical ability to ferret out meaning from statements too difficult for the rest of us to handle.
3. The issue with the apartments was primarily a case against his father. Even at that, there was no absolute refusal to rent to minorities as shown by the fact that about 5% of the tenants were black. The DOJ case sought to raise that to 10% which eventually happened. The case was then dropped.

It is certainly possible that Trump has some racial prejudices. It's possible that everyone on this board has them as well in addition to just about everyone on the earth, but it's an enormous stretch to suggest that his life has been guided by racism. I just don't think that is true at all.

As I've been saying, this is just politics. You had no problem supporting the two people who stood around and did nothing as five Americans died in Benghazi. You did so because you supported the same policies they believed in. Trump voters support him for the same reason. Perhaps one of these days it will be possible to have meaningful conversations with people who understand this and we can stop the perpetual finger pointing, name-calling, and moral posturing.

I am still interested, for instance, in Tal's middle ground. That could be a good starting point.

Have you come this far, paraclete, to be linking to such an evil website?

It must be wonderful to have perfect knowledge, but I just tweeked the liberals NOSE

One of the most egregious and insulting things that has come from the mouth of the dufus is what he has done for the blacks. You have expressed that also, and to be honest it makes my blood boil. Some things are not liberal or conservative but extremely personal. That's one of them! Another was pointing to a black guy at a rally and exclaiming there's my black guy! His appeal to those loony right wing extremist racists whose votes he NEEDS is also VERY disturbing. You may not care about any of those things but I sure do, so you may as well right or wrong ACCEPT that's just the feelings among some that some refuse to let others just ignore, and dismiss as just silly season politics as usual.

Another thing that makes my blood boil is the abject willingness for cruelty exhibited over and over for women and children. Something you easily dismiss, but should NOT. I mean it's always a red flag when denying bad behavior "not my type", and just worse cruelty to make a point or for a deterrence. It's no secret I don't suffer bullies at all, but when a guy LIES all the time and you take his word without verification, and can write it off as a big mouth, you make me scratch my head like WHAT?

Your right wing loony links though says it all, as does Clete's last one, though the attempt to tweek liberal noses is a MO or maybe that Aussie humor on display, which falls into the category of Misinformed, or low information input. Fact is there are not enough facts and details in the Green New Deal for anyone to price or vet accurately. That makes your cost assertions as speculative as the links you provided.

I won't let my friend Tom off the hook either, while we do agree on some things, romantic capitalist that he is, knows better to make a picture the example of all the dem strongholds while ignoring the same thing on the other side. Maybe the big cities are run by dems and have issues, but repub strongholds and there are a lot of them in red states across the country, that have the same slums as repubs do. Poverty and economic policy is a HUGE complex problem everywhere in the country.

Your right wing loony links though says it all

Which one? I'm gonna bet you can't come up with a single one. I try to be very careful with my links. Just because they contain information that does not support your narrative does not make them loony.

As for your first paragraph, the lowest black unemployment in history would, I think, be something to celebrate. As to the supposed cruelty, I just don't agree with you on that. It's a difficult situation on the border. If you want to talk about cruelty, why aren't you talking about the dire situations in Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, New Orleans, or many other large American cities led by democrats? It is a much, much worse situation in those cities than on the border. People are being murdered by the dozens every week but no one seems to care. Why? Politics. Stinkin politics. If they were led by republicans, you'd be all over it, but since it's democrats then I guess it's OK.

But aside from that, I'd still like to hear your ideas on where the middle is. What ideas could be considered middle?

We were also going to discuss the ideas listed from AOC and her group. When I pointed out the impossible costs of those ideas, the discussion kind of dried up.

Fact is there are not enough facts and details in the Green New Deal for anyone to price or vet accurately. That makes your cost assertions as speculative as the links you provided.

So your position is that there are no slums in republican run cities, no poor people in red states, and if there are, they are democrats and liberals, or lazy?

My solution to this is kick out the bums like Moscow Mitch, and the other dufus sycophants in the senate, and pass a sweeping infrastructure bill for the cities, and pay for it by rescinding the deficit funded tax cuts to the rich, ALL of them, closing ALL the special interests rich guy loopholes, and apply a 2% wealth tax on the 1%, and start sending the proper people to the southern border to process migrants humanely and expeditiously, Defend the stupid repeal of Obama Care attempt by repub states attorneys, through the DOJ, and finally just for a start stop those dumb sanctions of China, and add a few more to Russia, and cut ties with the Saudis immediately. I would start impeachment of the dufus and FREEZE any and all executive orders or military policies he has enacted.

That's phase 1 of my plan. Phase 2 Starts with sentencing you to a race sensitivity course run by a Christian institute in Texas so I can collect on that coffee every morning until you graduate.

My solution to this is kick out the bums like Moscow Mitch, and the other dufus sycophants in the senate, and pass a sweeping infrastructure bill for the cities, and pay for it by rescinding the deficit funded tax cuts to the rich, ALL of them, closing ALL the special interests rich guy loopholes, and apply a 2% wealth tax on the 1%, and start sending the proper people to the southern border to process migrants humanely and expeditiously,


Rather interestingly, your plan did not involve kicking out the democrat mayors and alderman that run those cities. How strange that you have no interest in holding the people in charge responsible. Might try going to the five fastest growing American cities and see what they are doing differently. #1 Grand Rapids, Michigan, #2 Nashville, Tennessee, #3 Raleigh, North Carolina, #4 El Paso, Texas, #5 San Antonio, Texas.

Your tax plan would not even come close to balancing the budget. Not even close.


That's phase 1 of my plan. Phase 2 Starts with sentencing you to a race sensitivity course run by a Christian institute in Texas so I can collect on that coffee every morning until you graduate.

There is only one of us so obsessed with bringing up race as a major issue. That would be you. Maybe you should go?? I endeavor to treat everyone fairly and not characterize a person by his/her race. Not too sure how to do better than that. Kiss up to someone because of his/her race? Nah.

I assume that you, of course, do not consider yourself to be amongst the "weak-minded".


No, but I do consider you to be.


[LEFT] It must be wonderful to have perfect knowledge, but I just tweeked the liberals NOSE


Direct question: do you support the Neo-Nazi movement? Is there any reason why you promoted a Neo-Nazi website by publishing its link?

Rather interestingly, your plan did not involve kicking out the democrat mayors and alderman that run those cities. How strange that you have no interest in holding the people in charge responsible. Might try going to the five fastest growing American cities and see what they are doing differently. #1 Grand Rapids, Michigan, #2 Nashville, Tennessee, #3 Raleigh, North Carolina, #4 El Paso, Texas, #5 San Antonio, Texas.

My plan is a national one for the COUNTRY. I let the locals run there own communities, just help with some structural job creating upgrades and improvements.


Your tax plan would not even come close to balancing the budget. Not even close.

Not trying to balance the budget, just grow the economy, and help communities, and mitigate the costs.


There is only one of us so obsessed with bringing up race as a major issue. That would be you. Maybe you should go?? I endeavor to treat everyone fairly and not characterize a person by his/her race. Not too sure how to do better than that. Kiss up to someone because of his/her race? Nah.



We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[note 1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preamble_to_the_United_States_Constitution#cite_no te-1)
promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

The words of these documents are powerful ,and maybe YOU live by a higher standard there are and have been those where race is a big deal and their disrespect knows no bounds. Because YOU cannot see racism in your fellows does that mean it doesn't exist? Often right under your nose. When the dufus exclaimed that there were good people among the blood and soil chanters it was but another sleight against people of color and has many since and while I can forgive such a trespass, he has not asked for it.

So he gets NONE and has earned my disdain. Many in the minority community and even some of our blue eyed brothers feel that way. Just sayin'

Not trying to balance the budget, just grow the economy, and help communities, and mitigate the costs.

And thereby grow the national debt.


The words of these documents are powerful ,and maybe YOU live by a higher standard there are and have been those where race is a big deal and their disrespect knows no bounds. Because YOU cannot see racism in your fellows does that mean it doesn't exist? Often right under your nose. When the dufus exclaimed that there were good people among the blood and soil chanters it was but another sleight against people of color and has many since and while I can forgive such a trespass, he has not asked for it.

So he gets NONE and has earned my disdain. Many in the minority community and even some of our blue eyed brothers feel that way. Just sayin'

I think that's a somewhat fair statement. There are people who either intentionally or inadvertently practice racial prejudice. Now they are people of every color, and not just white, but I would agree that all of us being more sensitive to that would be helpful. And yes, Trump has not always been helpful in that regard, but Obama had his missteps as well. But to say that Trump has done nothing to help the black community would be inaccurate.

I would still like to hear your description of the middle ground. Seriously.

No, but I do consider you to be.




Direct question: do you support the Neo-Nazi movement? Is there any reason why you promoted a Neo-Nazi website by publishing its link?

No doubt you have heard of the internet, you provide some search terms and it provides answers, it doesn't rate the answers according to political affiliation or even tell you the political affiliation. If you expect my postings to be backed up by investigative measures you will wait a long time. I saw nothing in the article that would alert me to neo-nazism. However you are using nazi tactics with guilt by association

Dude, the way it works is one side lays out it's plan, and the other side lays out their plan. Then they negotiate the middle. I laid out my plan. Where's yours?

Another shoe has dropped as NY has subpoenaed the trump organization.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-02/trump-organization-subpoenaed-by-manhattan-d-a-over-hush-money

Dude, the way it works is one side lays out it's plan, and the other side lays out their plan. Then they negotiate the middle. I laid out my plan. Where's yours?

Where is your plan? Are you talking about this?

Medicare for All
A Living Wage & Labor Rights
K-16 schooling, aka Public Colleges
100% Renewable Energy
Fixing the pipes in Flint
Not Hurting Immigrants
Holding Wall Street Accountable

These are all commendable objectives, why do you complain so much

My solution to this is kick out the bums like Moscow Mitch, and the other dufus sycophants in the senate, and pass a sweeping infrastructure bill for the cities, and pay for it by rescinding the deficit funded tax cuts to the rich, ALL of them, closing ALL the special interests rich guy loopholes, and apply a 2% wealth tax on the 1%, and start sending the proper people to the southern border to process migrants humanely and expeditiously, Defend the stupid repeal of Obama Care attempt by repub states attorneys, through the DOJ, and finally just for a start stop those dumb sanctions of China, and add a few more to Russia, and cut ties with the Saudis immediately. I would start impeachment of the dufus and FREEZE any and all executive orders or military policies he has enacted.

You missed it, or more accurately dismissed it even though I laid out a pay for.

These are all commendable objectives, why do you complain so much

I'm not complaining about them. I'm asking Tal if those are his plans that he mentioned. If you're not going to keep up on a thread, then keep your nose out of it.

Addendum. The "nose" comment was rude. My apologies.

These are all commendable objectives, why do you complain so much

He seldom knows the nuances very well Clete, but have hope, he can learn...I think!

OK. Gotcha. I mistook it for one of your rants.


My solution to this is kick out the bums like Moscow Mitch, and the other dufus sycophants in the senate, and pass a sweeping infrastructure bill for the cities, and pay for it by rescinding the deficit funded tax cuts to the rich, ALL of them, closing ALL the special interests rich guy loopholes, and apply a 2% wealth tax on the 1%, and start sending the proper people to the southern border to process migrants humanely and expeditiously, Defend the stupid repeal of Obama Care attempt by repub states attorneys, through the DOJ, and finally just for a start stop those dumb sanctions of China, and add a few more to Russia, and cut ties with the Saudis immediately. I would start impeachment of the dufus and FREEZE any and all executive orders or military policies he has enacted.

My plan.

1. Implement a tax plan that requires everyone who makes income over $2,000 to pay 10% federal income tax. If you live here and enjoy the benefits of being in America, you should have to help pay for it.
2. Implement a second tax plan that requires a 20% income tax on all income over 80,000 a year. There will be no deductions other than for dependents. It's your bill for running the fed government. Do away with the marriage penalty.
2a. Legally restrict the fed tax code for personal income to no more that ten pages that every average American can understand.
3. Adjust/cut spending over four years to match the money coming in from fed taxation and thus have a balanced budget.
3b. Cut all federal employees' wages by 10%. Increase their work week to 42 hours. If they don't like it they can leave.
4. Build the wall and thus solve the crisis on the southern border.
5. Learn to mind our own business in foreign relations. Make it clear that we will participate in alliances but will no longer carry the burden alone.
6. Get rid of Obamacare.
7. Pass a law that any congressman proposing new spending must also specify how it will be paid for. If he/she does not, they will be taken behind the capital building and whipped severely.
8. Continue to hammer foreign nations that engage in unfair trade practices which result in lost jobs for Americans.
9. Require every federal employee to sign a pledge to put America first.
10. Appoint federal judges committed to the rule of law and honoring the clear intent of the Constitution.
11. Pass a law forbidding the feds from giving money to individual cities to solve problems the city itself should be responsible for. Encourage them to elect government officials that actually know what they're doing.
12. I would be open to discussing raising the minimum wage to 15 an hour if we also did away with welfare programs for mantally/physically healthy people.
13. Get rid of the gold-plated medical and retirement plans for federal politicians.

I'm not complaining about them. I'm asking Tal if those are his plans that he mentioned. If you're not going to keep up on a thread, then keep your nose out of it.

Addendum. The "nose" comment was rude. My apologies.

We have a saying where I come from GSASA and another GOYA when put together they suggest that you might thinK about your responses, I have no intention of staying out of things because it suits you so GOYA and take your own advise

We have a saying where I come from GSASA and another GOYA when put together they suggest that you might thinK about your responses, I have no intention of staying out of things because it suits you so GOYA and take your own advise

I'll put it nicely. It would nice if you would keep up with the thread so your comments would make sense. But that's fine. Fire away. As the old saying goes, "Opinions are like noses. Everyone has one."

Ratcliffe exposed as the source of the infamous FBI "Secret Society" hoax!

This nitwit is the clown Trump wants to head the intelligence efforts of the US.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. You just can't make this stuff up!


Ratcliffe was such a bad choice, even Trump couldn't overcome the opposition. Ratcliffe withdrew his nomination.

More dems have joined the impeachment movement, bringing a majority of the caucus favoring an official action, as well as a state court subpoena for the dufus biz, and family. The drum beats slowly but steadily for those who think the dufus was in the clear after the Mueller hearing. As usual the dufus antics have changed the headlines and conversation, but not the minds of many determined to expose his phony administration. Congress goes home to it's constituents soon, and we will see what the public thinks.

The list of repubs retiring grows also, in advance of the upcoming election.

Time will tell. If the dems bring baseless impeachment charges, it will backfire.

The list of repubs retiring grows also, in advance of the upcoming election.

That is disturbing ;although not uncommon .
An uptick in retirements is common for the minority party after a shift in power. More than a dozen House Democrats left Congress after the 2010 tea party wave. Some of this is self imposed because the GOP set term limits on committee chairs ;(three consecutive terms),
unlike the Dems who have the same old stale leadership year after year ;now being challenged by the so called "Core " . Members who won't be able to retain their chairmanship would rather move on than become back benchers .

Will Hurd's announcement is more troubling because his district is a toss up(
Hurd won by less than 1000 votes )
;and because he was the sole African American Republican rep.

I remember the shellacking the dems took in 2010 and 2012, though Obama survived, and odds are the dufus will too, but ending the reign of Moscow Mitch would be great in my book. You're a capitalist, the flow of money from Russia through the dufus sycophants doesn't raise red flags?

Hurd would have been a good choice to replace Coates, and qualified, but he wasn't loyal enough to the dufus. That would have been a nice touch after all those racist remarks.

I saw nothing in the article that would alert me to neo-nazism. However you are using nazi tactics with guilt by association


Sometimes guilt by association is true.

Here's a sampling of the articles on the website (Infostormer) you recommended - all in BOLD headlines:

"Ronald Reagan Exposed as a N*****-Hating Racist"
"Woman Unapologetic for saying, 'You're A Stupid N*****'"
"Jewish C*** Laura Loomer Runs For Congress"
"WaPo Jew Accuses Mitch McConnell"
"Fat Kike Nadler To Seek Grand Jury"
"WaPo Jewess Exposes Trump-Russian Hamburger Conspiracy"
"Stormer Book Club Warns Public That Jew Holocaust Is Fake News"
"Zionist Kikes Bulldoze Palestinian Homes in the West Bank"
"Burger King Promotes Gay A** Sex in Commercial"
"Negro CNN Anchor Cries On Air"

You saw NOTHING that would alert you to Neo-Nazism? NOTHING?

Your slip is showing, paraclete.

Just because I read and d linked one article you think I examined all the other articles on the site as I said you draw a long bow and house a stack of strawmen, take it up with Google.. Thing is your nose is still out of join

Just because I read and d linked one article you think I examined all the other articles on the site


No, I don't think you "examined" all the other articles. After seeing the topics listed in bold (see above) you had no need to.

There was no possible reason to cite that website other than it fits in, more or less, with your beliefs. You guys always reveal yourselves, sooner or later.

Like Clete said the article fit the narrative so why review the source? Is it to much to ask to vet the site? Just click home or about us, or google them yourselves. A simple scroll through would have revealed a lot as you and I did Athos.

I took it as yet another provocation by our ever provocative Aussie friend. Over the years I've gotten use to it.

8D

Like Clete said the article fit the narrative so why review the source? Is it to much to ask to vet the site? Just click home or about us, or google them yourselves. A simple scroll through would have revealed a lot as you and I did Athos.

So you are saying you go through that process with every website you link? If, for instance, you have linked to CNN, do you notice that they corruptly tried to benefit the Clinton campaign in the last pres election???

Obviously CNN could not back a corrupt businesman who has been hollering racists memes from his mouth for decades and started his presidential campaign spouting off about the brown rapists invading our country. In light of the terrorists shootings you should be condemning white nationalists and their president who enables them with the help of Moscow Mitch. You holler about the dems trashy inner cities but balk at real racists killers resorting to these mass shootings and holler your 2nd amendment rights while loonies murder our kids at school.

Everybody but YOU is corrupt and that's just sick!

I try to only use sources libs approve here because they immediatly attack the source instead of the content . The fact is that before their reconciliation AOC accused Pelosi of
“singling out " "newly elected women of color” for criticism.I'll leave it to you if she was accusing Pelosi of being racist https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/11/politics/ocasio-cortez-pelosi-singling-out/index.html

I'm guilty! I do tend to jump on some of the far right wing loony sources. Especially when I can't find any other corroboration but other far right wing loony sources. Everybody and his brother has a website and a cause with opinions and calls themselves news or whatever, so caution is checking beyond the source. The internet gives everyone a voice but doesn't mean it's widespread or widely shared.

LOL, progressives and moderates have the same problem that repubs have with the freedom caucus not big enough to run things, but noisy with numbers to stop things they don't like, though as yet the squad as Pelosi said is only 4 votes. Twitter doesn't count and they should learn to get fellow caucus members on board. With Pelosi it ain't personal, and she is famous for counting VOTES. Her time is short though and whomever follows her will have a lot on their hands.

I actually felt sorry for Bonehead many times.

I'll leave it to you if she was accusing Pelosi of being racist https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/11/politics/ocasio-cortez-pelosi-singling-out/index.html


The article clearly states that AOC denies that she thought Pelosi was racist. "Absolutely not," she said. It couldn't be any clearer.

Obviously CNN could not back a corrupt businesman who has been hollering racists memes from his mouth for decades and started his presidential campaign spouting off about the brown rapists invading our country. In light of the terrorists shootings you should be condemning white nationalists and their president who enables them with the help of Moscow Mitch. You holler about the dems trashy inner cities but balk at real racists killers resorting to these mass shootings and holler your 2nd amendment rights while loonies murder our kids at school.

1. Congratulations for completely avoiding the question. Hide and evade.
2. Your contention about Trump being a white nationalist is nonsense.
3. I have said nothing about the 2nd amendment and we have not discussed school shootings. You are in your fantasy land again.

The entire exchange.

"the explicit singling out of newly elected women of color," Ocasio-Cortez added.
Ocasio-Cortez stood by her claim Thursday that Pelosi has been unfairly zeroing in on freshman women of color.

"It's really just pointing out the pattern, right? We're not talking about just progressives, it's signaling out four individuals," Ocasio-Cortez told CNN on Capitol Hill. "And knowing the media environment that we're operating in, knowing the amount of death threats that we get, knowing the amount of concentration detention, I think it's just worth asking why."

Asked if she thinks Pelosi has racial animus or is racist, Ocasio-Cortez said unequivocally, "No, no, absolutely not, absolutely not."

The essential question was, "I think it's just worth asking why." So why would a person single out "newly elected women of color"? Not progressives mind you, but four "women of color".

Well, I'm sure she was not trying to suggest that race had anything to do with it. It must surely be because of.......?

I won't be dismissed today my friend just because you don't like or agree with my response.

1 Your question was answered I just didn't agree with your corruption nonsense.

2 He said publically several times he is a nationalist and he is white so figure that out.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/10/24/trump-says-hes-nationalist-what-means-why-its-controversial/1748521002/

3 I know YOU said nothing about the 2nd Amendment or the MAS shootings but I did now deal with it!

3 I know YOU said nothing about the 2nd Amendment or the MAS shootings but I did now deal with it!

So you were wrong when you said this. "You holler about the dems trashy inner cities but balk at real racists killers resorting to these mass shootings and holler your 2nd amendment rights while loonies murder our kids at school." At least you admit you were wrong, so that's a step in the right direction.


2 He said publically several times he is a nationalist and he is white so figure that out.

Yeah, he's white so evidently in your view he must be a white nationalist. Unbelievable.

You kind of forgot to add that he said this. "I love our country, and our country has taken second fiddle," the president said, arguing that "we're giving all of our money, all of our wealth to other countries and then they don't treat us properly."

2. Your contention about Trump being a white nationalist is nonsense.
Then what is he?

Then what is he?

Do you understand the difference between a black nationalist, a white nationalist, and a nationalist?

Do you understand the difference between a black nationalist, a white nationalist, and a nationalist?
Please answer my question.

If you understand the difference, then you have your answer. If you don't then say so and I'll explain it.

If you understand the difference, then you have your answer. If you don't then say so and I'll explain it.
You just can't stop with the put-downs, can you. Please answer my question.

Why are you accusing me? Why so judgmental?

I can only answer your question if you first tell me if you know the difference between the three.

Why are you accusing me? Why so judgmental?

I can only answer your question if you first tell me if you know the difference between the three.

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by jlisenbe https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/showthread.php?p=3839034#post3839034)
2. Your contention about Trump being a white nationalist is nonsense.


Then what is he?
My question is simple. The ball is in your court.

My answer was simple. The ball is back to you. Do you know the difference? I must know that in order to accurately answer your question.

MALARKEY, you're just being difficult! He said he was a nationalist, and he's white! He sure ain't any other kind is he? If he is what is he then Enlighten us oh great brain.

My answer was simple. The ball is back to you. Do you know the difference? I must know that in order to accurately answer your question.
No, you don't!

Yes, I do, but I'm beginning to assume you don't know the difference. Correct?

Seven people shot overnight near a playground in Chicago.. So in fact there were 3 mass shootings yesterday . But the nation only has interest in 2 of them .

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Mass-Shooting-Near-Douglas-Park-Playground-Police-518001731.html

No comparison Tom.

why not ? That was just one shooting in Chi town this weekend . The real number was 3 killed and 40 wounded just this weekend in that town. And that is just the 1st week in August . So far this year the number is 275 killed and 1357 wounded . Evidenty these shootings are inconvenient to the narrative .

Yes, I do, but I'm beginning to assume you don't know the difference. Correct?
I do realize it's very difficult for you to answer this in print, despite all Trump's tweets and video whereby he defines himself. I understand why you won't answer my question.

I understand why you won't answer my question.

Perhaps we can resolve it this way. You find the definition of what it means to be a white nationalist, and then give us quotes from Trump that show he is a WN.

Perhaps we can resolve it this way. You find the definition of what it means to be a white nationalist, and then give us quotes from Trump that show he is a WN.
I do understand why you won't answer my question. Thanks anyway.

I do understand why you won't answer my question. Thanks anyway.

And I don't understand why you are not interested in the truth. Since you seem unwilling to do even a relatively simple thing, I will do all the work here. A white nationalist is not a white person who espouses nationalism. That is what I referred to as complete nonsense. What I wanted you to discover for yourself is that a white nationalist is a person who believes in a nation set aside solely for the benefit of white people. Now if you can find a quote anywhere where Trump has said that, then let's hear it. Otherwise, I think you should do the honorable thing and drop it.

And please don't come up with a quote where Trump has called himself a nationalist. That is not the same thing as a white nationalist which I had fervently hoped you would have discovered for yourself by now. And also not a half-baked quote that you twist around to mean what you desire. A plain, clear statement would be nice. I will tell you right now you will not find one.

Otherwise, do the honorable things and drop it.
I wasn't the one dragging it out by playing teacher.

I wasn't the one dragging it out by playing teacher.

We will take that to mean you are being honorable and dropping it. We will also take it to mean you realize there is not a shred of evidence that Trump is a WN.

We will take that to mean you are being honorable and dropping it. We will also take it to mean you realize there is not a shred of evidence that Trump is a WN.
"We"????

"We"????

Argue with the pronoun if you want to. It at least has been established that there is no evidence that Trump is a WN. A loud-mouthed irritant to be sure, but not a WN.

Argue with the pronoun if you want to. It at least has been established that there is no evidence that Trump is a WN. A loud-mouthed irritant to be sure, but not a WN.
There was no discussion, and you still haven't answered my question.

The Dayton shooter ;
Connor Betts does not match the profile of a white nationalist . He appears more to resemble a sociopath like Columbine's
Harris and Klebold .

There was no discussion, and you still haven't answered my question.

It was answered plainly and clearly. You just don't like the answer. It doesn't fit your view of Trump so you won't accept it. Too bad.

It was answered plainly and clearly. You just don't like the answer. It doesn't fit your view of Trump so you won't accept it. Too bad.
Thus, your answer is "he's a loud-mouthed irritant."

Thus, your answer is "he's a loud-mouthed irritant."

Yes that's it

And I don't understand why you are not interested in the truth. Since you seem unwilling to do even a relatively simple thing, I will do all the work here. A white nationalist is not a white person who espouses nationalism. That is what I referred to as complete nonsense. What I wanted you to discover for yourself is that a white nationalist is a person who believes in a nation set aside solely for the benefit of white people. Now if you can find a quote anywhere where Trump has said that, then let's hear it. Otherwise, I think you should do the honorable thing and drop it.

And please don't come up with a quote where Trump has called himself a nationalist. That is not the same thing as a white nationalist which I had fervently hoped you would have discovered for yourself by now. And also not a half-baked quote that you twist around to mean what you desire. A plain, clear statement would be nice. I will tell you right now you will not find one.

The dufus would be a zip darn fool to publicly declare he was a white nationalists and even his sycophants and nose holding supporters would abandon him. GAME OVER! Instead he uses the language and tactics and has for years that emboldens these type of racists NUTS with his thinly veiled dog whistles said from the podium, in speeches, and tweets and rallies that they hear loud and clear. That's what makes your whole argument nonsense to me, because he knows full well how it will be taken by those that share those views. So you can minimize his tropes all you want, it still comes down to his words and actions to get the votes of our most vile citizens, and embraces the hate they feel for those he casts as others.

That he lumps THEM all together with dems, liberals, communists, socialists is enough evidence that he stokes the fears of us OTHERS for cover to appeal to the ones like YOU in his camp. Works rather well for sure since you use that plausible deniability to justify your support of such antics in the name of policy gains. Unless he explicitly says he is a racist white nationalist but own the nationalist part then that's okay you, but their is no difference no matter how much you try to make it so. For sure he made it easier for some to swallow his crap without gagging! You're a perfect example of that.

Thus, your answer is "he's a loud-mouthed irritant."

Who is not a WN. You must learn to read more carefully and think for yourself.


The dufus would be a zip darn fool to publicly declare he was a white nationalists and even his sycophants and nose holding supporters would abandon him. GAME OVER! Instead he uses the language and tactics and has for years that emboldens these type of racists NUTS with his thinly veiled dog whistles said from the podium, in speeches, and tweets and rallies that they hear loud and clear. That's what makes your whole argument nonsense to me, because he knows full well how it will be taken by those that share those views. So you can minimize his tropes all you want, it still comes down to his words and actions to get the votes of our most vile citizens, and embraces the hate they feel for those he casts as others.

That he lumps THEM all together with dems, liberals, communists, socialists is enough evidence that he stokes the fears of us OTHERS for cover to appeal to the ones like YOU in his camp. Works rather well for sure since you use that plausible deniability to justify your support of such antics in the name of policy gains. Unless he explicitly says he is a racist white nationalist but own the nationalist part then that's okay you, but their is no difference no matter how much you try to make it so. For sure he made it easier for some to swallow his crap without gagging! You're a perfect example of that.

Many words do not make for a sound conclusion. You think he's a white nationalist so the rest of us have to accept your conclusion? It's just a manifestation of your TDS. Your extreme hatred of Trump is distorting your judgement. I'm an example of someone who thinks for himself and does not let the democrat party's propaganda machine (a.k.a. the national media) determine his beliefs. I don't particularly like Trump, but I also do not like the hate machine which thinks that since he is a white man who considers himself a nationalist, then he must be a white nationalist. That is an error of logic that most fifth graders can see through and is utterly incorrect.

In the meantime, the dem front-runner, Biden, offered his condolences to the people of Houston and Michigan. Later he had to correct himself and make that El Paso and Ohio. This past May, Biden confused former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, who died in 2013, with then Prime Minister Theresa May. Oh well.

You don't have to take my word for the dufus is a white nationalist since the white nationalists thinks he is one of them too.

You don't have to take my word for the dufus is a white nationalist since the white nationalists thinks he is one of them too.

I'm sure a lot of black nationalists thought Obama was one of them, so by your logic Obama was a BN. I just don't agree with either of those ideas.

remember when the emperor would not use words like "Muslim terrorism " Remember when he call the Fort Hood shootings by a jihadist 'work place violence' . Was Bernie Sanders condemned because one of his supporters decided to murder Republican Representatives ? When the emperor would not condemn BLM ,who were calling for the death of cops ,and then Dallas cops were shot ;was the emperor held responsible ?

remember when the emperor would not use words like "Muslim terrorism " Remember when he call the Fort Hood shootings by a jihadist 'work place violence' . Was Bernie Sanders condemned because one of his supporters decided to murder Republican Representatives ? When the emperor would not condemn BLM ,who were calling for the death of cops ,and then Dallas cops were shot ;was the emperor held responsible ?

That was different. They were liberal democrats which makes it alright.

Politics. I can understand people being critical of Trump, but it's the "holier than thou" stuff that gets old.

The dufus would be a zip darn fool to publicly declare he was a white nationalists and even his sycophants and nose holding supporters would abandon him. GAME OVER! Instead he uses the language and tactics and has for years that emboldens these type of racists NUTS with his thinly veiled dog whistles said from the podium, in speeches, and tweets and rallies that they hear loud and clear.

That he lumps THEM all together with dems, liberals, communists, socialists is enough evidence that he stokes the fears of us OTHERS for cover to appeal to the ones like YOU in his camp. Works rather well for sure since you use that plausible deniability to justify your support of such antics in the name of policy gains. Unless he explicitly says he is a racist white nationalist but own the nationalist part then that's okay you, but their is no difference no matter how much you try to make it so. For sure he made it easier for some to swallow his crap without gagging! You're a perfect example of that.


Perfect definition of "stochastic terrorism" - aka law enforcement's "lone wolf". In simple language, Trump communicates to these shooters who buy into his tweets and lies without Trump ever having to lose deniability. No one is fooled by Trump's crocodile tears.


I'm sure a lot of black nationalists thought Obama was one of them,


Absurd! You'll say anything no matter how far-fetched.

I'm sure a lot of black nationalists thought Obama was one of them, so by your logic Obama was a BN. I just don't agree with either of those ideas.

Did they shoot up schools, and malls? White supremist shot up churches and nut jobs shot up schools but no black nationals cutting up. You're just throwing crap in the conversation to cover the dufus, or YOURSELF!

Did they shoot up schools, and malls? White supremist shot up churches and nut jobs shot up schools but no black nationals cutting up. You're just throwing crap in the conversation to cover the dufus, or YOURSELF!

You must be hanging around Athos. Calm down a little for goodness sake.

I think you have forgotten about the riots during the Obama admin. Riots in Oakland, Pittsburg, Akron, Santa Cruz, LA, Oakland, Brooklyn, Ferguson, Chicago, and Baltimore, just to name some of them. There were 25 in total compared to only 7 in the 80's and 12 from 2000 to 2009. Do you blame those riots on fiscal conservatives? White nationalists? Obama?

I don't think Obama was anymore responsible for those riots than Trump is for mass shootings. There is no evidence worth talking about that either one is a race-based nationalist.

Might add that there have been well over 200 mass shootings in the United States just this year. Just a brief look at the descriptions sure makes it look as though that the overwhelming part were not due to white nationalists. No doubt most of them were carried out with handguns which is the case with most homicides. Relatively few are due to rifles or shotguns.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_201 9

This is according to FBI crimes stats. "The weapons most likely to be used to commit murder remained relatively unchanged. Of those identified by law enforcement, handguns remained the most popular weapon used in homicides followed by knives, then hands and fists. Blunt objects, rifles, shotguns, narcotics, fire, strangulation, and asphyxiation round out the top 10 most popular murder weapons."

https://freebeacon.com/issues/fbi-murder-violent-crime-increased-significantly-2016/

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/2019-mass-shootings-there-have-been-more-mass-shootings-than-days-this-year/


The Gun Violence Archive says there have been 33,028 total shooting incidents in 2019 as of Sunday, resulting in 8,734 deaths and 17,308 injuries.The last time the mass shooting toll topped days of the year was 2016, which had 382 mass shootings — the most in any year since the Gun Violence Archive started keeping track. The past two years came close, with 346 mass shootings in 2017 and 340 in 2018.

2016. Who was the pres then??

Violent crime trended upward dramatically during Obama's final two years. Should we hold him responsible?

37 mass shootings during the emperor's reign .

2016. Who was the pres then??

Violent crime trended upward dramatically during Obama's final two years. Should we hold him responsible?



37 mass shootings during the emperor's reign .

The dufus could always declare an emergency like he did during the invasion from the south and take care of this mess with an executive order. Problem solved tomorrow. Or today if he skips his Mickey D break!

The dufus could always declare an emergency like he did during the invasion from the south and take care of this mess with an executive order. Problem solved tomorrow. Or today if he skips his Mickey D break!

I'm pretty sure these mass shootings are already against the law, so what kind of EO are you talking about? And if it's just that simple, why didn't Mr. Obama do it during his eight years?

Don't know why Obama didn't, maybe he should of, but the dufus is the master negotiator fix it guy, isn't he? "Only I alone can fix it!"/Dufus running for prez.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=only+i+alone+can+fix+it&view=detail&mid=3465300D78765AFE09483465300D78765AFE0948&FORM=VIRE

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=only+i+alone+can+fix+it&&view=detail&mid=AB3F930E9EDF5585AB17AB3F930E9EDF5585AB17&rvsmid=3465300D78765AFE09483465300D78765AFE0948&FORM=VDMCNR

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=only+i+alone+can+fix+it&&view=detail&mid=FDF76383BDAE17CF60F4FDF76383BDAE17CF60F4&rvsmid=3465300D78765AFE09483465300D78765AFE0948&FORM=VDQVAP

Check out the other thread.

You do the same.

ban knives
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/33-dead-130-injured-china-knife-wielding-spree-n41966?fbclid=IwAR08gOxrxL7ZYOYdfuhUHoToCnIhKyyceN FogosFdFta721EgqCEdXKHCac

That kind of stuff is just so senseless and cowardly. There is such a spirit of violence going around this world. Very sad. At least they can't blame this one on Trump. Just bear in mind that it happened in 2014.

That kind of stuff is just so senseless and cowardly. There is such a spirit of violence going around this world. Very sad. At least they can't blame this one on Trump. Just bear in mind that it happened in 2014.

A spirit of violence?

A spirit of violence?

Largely a figure of speech, though it's also true that "our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms."

I thought you were identifying something specific

Just bear in mind that it happened in 2014.
ok how about yesterday

https://apnews.com/5e44f7bd106f4fce8da21c2c11f334fc?fbclid=IwAR1b51Pe 7-RcHjmdQTGIsp9fxvnxL0lHIQf-xNaj1wrt_Va26OWFYM2cCdE (https://apnews.com/5e44f7bd106f4fce8da21c2c11f334fc?fbclid=IwAR1b51Pe 7-RcHjmdQTGIsp9fxvnxL0lHIQf-xNaj1wrt_Va26OWFYM2cCdE)

There's got to be a point here. Care to share?

There's got to be a point here. Care to share?

Yes the point of the blade. Long before guns became the favourite weapon of mass destruction the blade was the weapon of choice

House judiciary committee going to court to force Don McGahn to testify, and if successful all the rest. The wheels of justice turn slowly but they turn, despite the dufus and his lawyers throwing everything they can to block the road.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/house-democrats-sue-former-white-house-counsel-don-mcgahn/

House judiciary committee going to court to force Don McGahn to testify, and if successful all the rest. The wheels of justice turn slowly but they turn, despite the dufus and his lawyers throwing everything they can to block the road.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/house-democrats-sue-former-white-house-counsel-don-mcgahn/

Interesting how the justice system works, there is supposed to be a partition between the judiciary and the other branches and yet the Congress can conduct thier own star chambers. A "judicial" enquiry was held, a report made and no doubt any recommended prosecutions have been proceeded with but now the grandstanding before an election begins or continues

The Congress is the check on the executive branch, and has oversight responsibility under our constitution. The dufus and his lawyer army choose to fight that, so we fight. Simple enough to understand. Haven't I been saying we have plenty of ammo in the Mueller Report? The judiciary is but the referee, and the dufus DOJ are his sycophants covering his butt.

The dufus is a drama queen for sure, so everything will be loud and chaotic as he fights for his presidency, and long-term his freedom and wealth. I think he was lying about that too, but Vlad has a few bucks to loan at mob prices.

funny thing is I don't recall Don McGahn subject to confirmation hearings . Why ? Well until now it was assumed that the President and his council's discussions were confidential subject to attorney client privilege;in this case Executive Privilege . The lower courts have had contradictory opinions on compelling a chief council to testify . Nixon lost his case because it was a criminal investigation ;not a congressional inquiry . But in another case the Appeals court ruled that the Connecticut Guv's council did not have to testify to a Grand Jury over advice to the Guv. SCOTUS has never ruled on these issues. So far this inquiry is not a criminal case . The best case that Congress can make is that this is an official impeachment hearing . And they have not done that yet . If Trump wants to fight on this hill ,the process could last past the elections .

I read in the filings that the basis for the congressional lawsuit is to decide if any actions concerning the executive branch are warranted up to and including criminal actions that could result in impeachment proceedings. Since McGahn has testified before the DOJ special counsel, the congress can inquire into those proceedings and testimony. They asked for an expedited decision, so it may come back sooner rather than later. It may not be an OFFICIAL impeachment proceeding but it's definitely an impeachment INQUIRY, giving congress the RIGHT to pursue an investigation as set out in Article I of the constitution. Can the dufus stall for a year and 4 months? Not likely but doesn't matter but Nadler said he expects to be close to deciding what the House judiciary will do by year's end, TENTIVELY. It could be longer.

Stop for a minute and consider what it means if congressional subpoenas can be ignored. Do you really want no congressional oversight of the executive branch? That's not what the founders had in mind.

Since McGahn has testified before the DOJ special counsel, the congress can inquire into those proceedings and testimony. sorry When he testified to Inspector Clouseau he did so with Trump's authority within the executive branch. Trump has not waived executive privilege from him testifying to Congress or for documents the toad Nadler wants . Nadler when asked about it couched his language saying his inquiry was "in effect " a "formal " impeachment proceeding . Well no ,it is not . There is a reason he is dancing around this . If this is not in some kind of criminal context no judge will agree to violate executive privilege .


Stop for a minute and consider what it means if congressional subpoenas can be ignored. wait a minute . I'll ask Eric Holder .

We will see what a judge decides but don't blame Holder for the failures of the incompetent repub congress. I mean they couldn't nail HC either, wasting taxpayer money on numerous hearings. They bit the apple so many times there is a naked tree in the orchard.

He was held in both criminal and civil contempt. He was held, by a bipartisan vote, in contempt by the House of Representatives in a 255–67 vote, with 17 Democrats voting for the measure, 2 Republicans voting against the measure.
But since he was in charge of the DOJ it waa unlikely the DOJ would charge him .Evan after
U.S. District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson ruled that he must turn over any "non-privileged" documents the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee subpoenaed he still was off the hook and still refused to comply .It helped him that she was an emperor appointee .

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/09/fast-and-furious-documents-holder-1313120

Both interesting and fascinating how things work out. Everybody has gimmicks, ticks, and traps. The dufus has a world of lawyers though.

Yes interesting . It brings us back to square one...

the District Court's holdings should not in any way control the resolution of the same or similar issues should they arise in other litigation between the Committee and the Executive Branch, and hereby waive any right to argue that the judgment of the District Court or any of the District Court's orders or opinions in this


case have any preclusive effect in any other litigation....

Meaning that there is scarce precidence for the courts intervening in the 1st place. If the courts rule in greasy slimy Nadler's favor ,Trump will take it to SCOTUS .

Yup...and the beat goes on! Top of the 3rd...NO outs!

This Russia Probe was and is pure junk! There needs to be a PROBE of how and why the Russia Probe even began.....and when they identify the starter of it, throw that person in jail! The damn thing was financed by Hillary Clinton, for God's sake! And the "STEELE" dossier is pure, fetid garbage.

When you dig down into it, the FBI paid Russians U.S. $$$s to get them to make up stories about Russia dealing with Trump! How ridiculously ridiculous can you possibly get? And Mueller himself is the embodiment of the OPPOSITE OF THE MIDAS TOUCH: Everything Mueller has ever touched has always turned to so much sewage....along with being a bumbling, stumbling, incompetent, and nearly incoherent speaker, Mueller is a CURSE, on himself and anyone around him.

Really nice right wing loony rant! Let me know when you read the report. Are you following the court cases? I didn't think so!

Talaniman: I AM NOT RIGHT WING! Just seeing a lot of misuse of tax money on a rabbit hole of nothingness. What court cases? I know about the "Process Charges" against General Flynn that put an American patriotic veteran in jail on a trick play by the FBI.....I know about the stupid and silly case against Roger Stone, too: More of nothing. And, BTW, its really best that Mueller and the rest of the hooligans he hired for millions of tax dollars didn't try to make a public scene with Roger Stone: Stone is just too sharp for them, he'd make them look like idiots.

Mueller is not a mental giant, far from it....but, I will concede: When there is nothing to make a case around, there is nothing to make a case around!

Doesn't it strike you as a least bit odd that Mueller found ZERO with a Russia and Trump connection? And he ended up chasing "other" avenues because the one that he was assigned to investigate, his primary target, which was COLLUSION, was a big nothing burger. From the Fisa Warrants to the Hillary funded Steele Dossier to the total lack of anything in the investigation makes you wonder if this wasn't just an attempted COUPE after all.

I know that Trump sounded crazy when he said that he thought that the Obama Administration was spying on him during the campaign, I even thought he was crazy.....and Obama immediately denied it.....but, guess what: Low and behold, the FBI WAS SPYING ON THE 2016 TRUMP CAMPAIGN.....All this makes me want to see this bunch of underhanded cabal PROSECUTED!

FBI overreach should concern you, too, Talaniman, even if it is against someone you deem to be despicable, like Trump: Whether you like someone or you don't, you cannot customize or culture justice to persecute a citizen of the U.S.....Justice must be applied universally, equally, and unbiasedly or the system will break down and the nation will break down....I know you agree with me on that point!

Me thinks thou does protest too much

Justice must be applied universally, equally, and unbiasedly or the system will break down and the nation will break down....I know you agree with me on that point!

Sounds good on paper but when will it become reality? Start with the dufus in chief, whose lawless administration is built on fear, hate, and lies that you parrot rather well for some one who isn't a right wing lunatic and sycophant. You never mentioned any of his stuff in your rant. Or that Mueller had recouped the tens of millions stolen by Paul Manafort.

You aren't disturbed by another loony that proves once again that good guys with a guns isn't the answer to a bad guy with a gun? 7 dead in Odessa, Tx. many wounded. Yeah, you love your guns, but so do loons and criminals and homicidal maniacs. So exactly when do innocent victims get justice?

Talaniman: I will state again, for the record, I am NOT RIGHT WING! Please, don't label me...I don't ever label you and will not ever. I am Libertarian. I recognize, adhere to, and support the elements GUARANTEED to U.S. Citizens in the U.S. Constitution.

The Russia Investigation had only the most limited successes and, yes, I did forget to say that Mueller and company caught one crook, Manafort, I will agree with you on that....Manafort is a filthy crook.....but past that what did they catch while fishing and, more importantly, did they have a license to fish for what they caught in the first place? I will say that, long term, it will be proven that the whole investigation will be "investigated" and a lot of maneuvers will be found to be questionable and likely illegal....and there is probably a good chance Manafort may walk free because of these tactics....yes, a truly guilty man walking free because the law was "bent".

Do you not think that it is just a little bit curious that Mueller was asked to look at COLLUSION and found none but ventured way off his defined path in an attempt to find "something" to impugn Trump? Its like paying a doctor to take out your gall bladder and he can't so he goes ahead and takes out a kidney, instead. It show weakness is the entire basis and premise for the case and, also, a certain desperation in those that oppose Trump.

Facts are facts: If there is evidence of a crime committed, then there is reason to open an investigation.....However, you cannot name an investigation and then begin to look for a crime being committed. Remember: Its ready, aim, fire! Not ready, fire, aim! BIG DIFFERENCE!

If there was any COLLUSION at all, it was between Hillary Clinton, Steele, and paying RUSSIANS to provide stories on Trump to use against him in the 2016 Campaign. In fact, that is disgusting.

Furthermore, we can not allow the FBI to run all over hell and creation asking for U.S. District Judges to issue FISA Warrants so they can spy on U.S. citizens any damn time they feel the urge. If you think illegally spying on Trump is O.K., what are you going to think when they do the same to a paragon of the left or, maybe, you or your children!

A violent person cannot be controlled unless you do what Texas Law Enforcement did to the guy in Odessa and that is kill him dead: That guarantees he will never be violent again.

=Vacuum7;3840424]Talaniman: I will state again, for the record, I am NOT RIGHT WING! Please, don't label me...I don't ever label you and will not ever. I am Libertarian.

You are the one doing the labeling. "I am Libertarian". You claim not to be right-wing, yet libertarian is a subset of right-wing.


The Russia Investigation had only the most limited successes and, yes, I did forget to say that Mueller and company caught one crook, Manafort, I will agree with you on that....Manafort is a filthy crook.....but past that what did they catch ..............................[skip]..............................................y man walking free because the law was "bent".

Do you not think that it is just.........[skip]................ to impugn Trump? Its like paying a doctor to take out your gall bladder and he can't so he goes ahead and takes out a kidney, instead. It show weakness is the entire basis and premise for the case and, also, a certain desperation in those that oppose Trump.

Your rant is sadly lacking in specifics. Hence, my "skips" to save space.


Facts are facts:

I couldn't agree more. You need to present those facts.


If there is evidence of a crime committed, then there is reason to open an investigation.....However, you cannot name an investigation .....[skip].......Remember: Its ready, aim, fire! Not ready, fire, aim! BIG DIFFERENCE!

If there was ..........[skip, skip, skip]...........ldren!

Please, more FACTS, less rant.


A violent person cannot be controlled unless you do what Texas Law Enforcement did to the guy in Odessa and that is kill him dead: That guarantees he will never be violent again.

You're missing the essential point. It's not about what is to be done AFTER the guy is caught! It's about preventing it BEFORE the guy goes on a rage.

yet libertarian is a subset of right-wing. only on some issues like economics .On social issues libertarian philosophy leans "left " and the swing towards the "left " by the libertarian movement grows .Noam Chomsky describes himself as a libertarian socialist . And he is not alone inside the libertarian movement .

Athos: I wasn't labeling anything, I was making sure everyone knew I was not Right Wing.

The Mueller Persecution Investigation is a travesty and a tragedy and a stain on this country and the Justice System....I cannot begin to describe every single detail of where it went off the tracks other than that it was entirely built upon a falsified premise of a made-up story that was paid for/sponsored by non-other than Hillary Clinton who paid RUSSIANS for stories (hence there is you COLLUSION!).....NOWT THAT IS A FACT!

Keep attacking Trump through ILLEGAL means if you want to feel pain later on....He will end up using your own weapons against you and you will not like it....The CABAL THAT WAS THE OBAMA FBI AND CIA FIFTH COLUMN IS BEING EXPOSED, ITS MEMBERS ROUTED OUT, AND ITS POWER DECIMATED (i.e. DEEP STATE) so that power is fading fast while Trump's power is gaining nd, simultaneously, his opponents "secret society's power" is waning....A.G. Barr is like a hound dog sniffing out their hiding places and he is about to make the careers short lived. Remember, TRUMP IS TAKING CONTROL OF THE COURTS AND YOU CANNOT STOP HIM! The Supreme Court is about to take an extreme hard turn to the right, just ANOTHER FACT, with the demise of Ginsburg....and Trump has done more to fill U.S. District Courts than any POTUS before him and this, alone, will have a lasting impact on the Judicial architecture of the land: The left needs to watch its step or they will suffer consequences that no Congress, Senate, or, even, Executive gains will be able to wash away for many decades. The COURTS SCARE THE PURE HELL OUT OF THE LEFT and everyone knows it.

The 2nd Amendment is here to stay: People that have guns are not going to give them up because a few weirdos shoot up the place now and then....no one is taking guns away, and the left is not going to gain votes because they keep standing with this cause. TIME TO FACE FACTS: The American people love guns, by and large! More people love them than not. You can scream all you want but you aren't changing the minds of those that have guns: The left is beating a dead horse on this subject.

The left wants to talk Impeachment? They will IMPEACH themselves! If the left wants to really get their asses shellacked in 2020, they should do the Impeachment thing! No CNN or other media assistance will help them cover up that gapping wound and Trump will waltz into the end zone with another four years. Since when did you impeach someone because you don't like their positions on certain subjects? There are no legs for this, whatsoever.

I'm not Right or left, just down the middle, but when I see one side doing things legally, by the book, and the other side doing it illegally, who do you think I am going side with on these legal matters? At some point, its not only a legal position but, also, an ethical position: Every man must stand for what's right, otherwise he becomes a dog.

Nixon's relection committee ,without his knowledge broke in the Democrat hqs to tap a single phone (used to hire prostitutes from a nearby call girl business ).He was brought down in disgrace .

The emperor's White House ,with his full knowledge ,used the FBI to not only surveil the opposing party's nominee ;but also placed a mole into the campaign (Stefan Halper ) . They concocted a cover story about collusion with the Russian .

You sure you guys aren't right wingers? How come I find a bunch of rightwing sites spouting the same things that you posted here?

Talaniman: This is news for those that read and listen, its public knowledge...don't need Right Wing sites to tell us these things.

As for Tomder55's example of Nixon: Nixon was demonized by the left from the time that he almost singlehandedly exposed the entire Soviet conspiracy with the U.S. and the State Department, with Alger Hiss in Roosevelt's State Department negotiating with the Russians during Yalta when he was a communist spy! The left hated Nixon for this: they hated a man who was a patriot and idolized a man who was a foreign spy because that spy was a communist who was closer to their beliefs! DISGUSTING! When Watergate came along, some 25 years later, the leftist cabal got their revenge on an American patriot.

Obama knew about the surveillance of the Trump Campaign and he did nothing to stop it: How is this not criminal? Why does he get a pass? Why isn't this being investigated with great gusto?

I don't care if you are Right or left, when you see criminal acts within the government, no matter whom they are committed by, why doesn't it concern you? Why don't you want justice? Justice knows no political affiliation....or, at least, its not supposed to be that way.

Oh come on, Vac7, Nixon's own party turned against him. They refused to condone his lies and tactics.

Not to speak of the 22,000 American dead as a direct result of Nixon sabotaging the 1968 peace talks so he could win the election on an anti-war platform. He then proceeded to bomb Laos and Cambodia until he knew he couldn't win in Vietnam so he agreed to peace conditions which were the same he sabotaged. Some patriot!

Nixon's own party turned against him. They refused to condone his lies and tactics.

Now we can see if the democrats will be similarly honest.

Hey JL, missed ya face around the place. Just a small correction though, it's up to repubs to find a way to reign in thier own...AGAIN!

I was referring to the democrat House doing something about the illegal activities of Mr. Obama.

Another thing repubs failed to do when they had power all those years? Now settle down while we try to get the dufus.

Talaniman: Nixon WAS A PATRIOT.....there can be little doubt about his contributions to routing out communists where he found them as a founding member of HUAC....say what you will but that committee took the steam out of the reds here in the U.S. Also, Nixon was right about bombing North Vietnam: How do we know? Red Generals confirmed that they were ready to sue for peace when the U.S. stopped because of leftist pressure on Nixon back home.....THAT WAS A REAL DASTARDLY THING TO DO! Vietnam was a DEMOCRAT PARTY issue that Nixon was trying to win....but the DEMOCRATS never intended to really win it in the first place.

Nixon had the nads to keep going with the Watergate persecution of him but it was the GUTLESS REPUBLICAN IN BOTH THE HOUSE AND SENATE who wouldn't back him up: PURE COWARDS! As a result, the left was able to run around proclaiming victory for six years and fouling up foreign policy around the globe.

You can dream all you want to but the reality will be much, much different than your dreams: You are not going to GET Trump....ain't happening....he will GET the left and but good. When the left decided to take the low-road with him and the illegal activities they embarked upon, they sealed their own fate: Trump won't be fooled again and he won't forget. This President is unlike any that came before him, so there is no yardstick to judge him by: Just know that THE LEFT SCREWED UP.

Nixon and his VP were crooks! Just like the dufus!