After virtually ignoring the Fast and Furious scandal the media is showing up. It took Holder asking for and getting executive privilege (http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-obama-invokes-executive-privilege-over-fast-and-furious-documents-20120620,0,6646341.story) on the documents his DOJ has refused to provide the Oversight Committee.

What do they have to hide??

So what's your point.

You didn't understand the question?

They should still move to a motion of contempt of Congress. Holder ,as a cabinet officer confirmed by the Senate ,is not subject to executive privilege . In fact ;the only way I see it being invoked is if the President is personally involved . Executive privilege protects communications with the President ,not the AG unless the President was also involved . If Fast and Furious is a national security issue ;then Holder is still subject to contempt charges and perjury charges .

Exactly, and it should raise even more eyebrows since Holder and his DoJ have repeatedly claimed the White House knew nothing about F&F. Sounds like as much an admission that the White House did know something after all.

Plausible denyability but is there anything the White House doesn't know about after all it micromanages hits on terrorists

"Let me say it as simply as I can: transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency." -Barack Obama

Which law was that? Sounds like he is in touch with the blarney stone to me

I made an incorrect statement when I wrote :In fact ;the only way I see it being invoked is if the President is personally involved . Executive privilege protects communications with the President ,not the AG unless the President was also involved . The President doesn't have to be directly involved .He can invoke Executive Privilege for people under his command without him having personal involvement .

But since the documents pertain directly to Holder's perjury in testimony before Congress ,then invoking the privilege is tantamount to a cover up. Ask Nixon how far that got him .
The House Oversight Committee today voted to move contempt vote to the House floor .

Via Powerline (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/06/obamas-claim-of-executive-privilege-its-frivolous.php):


In Espy, the court said:


The deliberative process privilege does not shield documents that simply state or explain a decision the government has already made or protect material that is purely factual….

The deliberative process privilege is a qualified privilege and can be overcome by a sufficient showing of need. … For example, where there is reason to believe the documents sought may shed light on government misconduct, ‘the privilege is routinely denied,’ on the grounds that shielding internal government deliberations in this context does not serve ‘the public’s interest in honest, effective government.’”

Also from Espy:


“Not every person who plays a role in the development of presidential advice, no matter how remote and removed from the President, can qualify for the privilege. In particular, the privilege should not extend to staff outside the White House in executive branch agencies. Instead, the privilege should apply only to communications authored or solicited and received by those members of an immediate White House advisor’s staff who have broad and significant responsibility for investigation and formulating the advice to be given the President on the particular matter to which the communications relate. Only communications at that level are close enough to the President to be revelatory of his deliberations or to pose a risk to the candor of his advisers.”

I don't think he has a legal leg to stand on, let's see if Obama can make the political argument or if this is just more stalling.

This should be good, the next round of the right wing loony bin against the President. So what's new? You guys have been slinging mud, and bad mouthing the guy for 3 and a half years, and this is just another bone to keep the rest of the loonies outraged, and engaged and maybe they will vote for you guys.

Yet again another issue on which both sides should agree but you call it mudslinging and us loony. Good to see you care about the rule of law, getting to the bottom of Brian Terry's death and why we let thousands of guns walk to our neighbor to the south to be used to kill who knows how many more.

Just watch Jon Stewart's tak (http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/thu-june-21-2012-bassem-youssef)e on F&F.

Not allowed to watch that speech what did he say

not allowed to watch that speech what did he say

You'd have to watch it, Clete. He skewers Obama and Democrats pretty good.

You'd have to watch it, Clete. He skewers Obama and Democrats pretty good.

I can't watch it the site won't open to me

i can't watch it the site wont open to meIt's geoblocked to anyone outside the US.

Yes they live in their own little world

Hello:

As usual, the right wing is outraged about the WRONG things...

During Fast & Furious, the ATF LOST over 2,000 weapons in Mexico. 57,000 Mexicans have been KILLED due to the drug war. I wonder how many Mexicans died at the hands of ATF.. I wonder WHY nobody cares.

Yes, I too mourn the loss of ONE American. But, Holder didn't do it. Obama didn't do it. The ATF did it. Why aren't any of THOSE guys in jail? Why aren't you interested in investigating them?

So, you'll excuse me if I happen to be outraged about it too. I just don't share YOUR outrage.

excon

Hello:

As usual, the right wing is outraged about the WRONG things...

During Fast & Furious, the ATF LOST over 2,000 weapons in Mexico. 57,000 Mexicans have been KILLED due to the drug war. I wonder how many Mexicans died at the hands of ATF.. I wonder WHY nobody cares.

Ex no one cares because they don't want to offend the right wing gun lobby. It's all right to kill mexicans with american guns, after all that less mex's that can cross the border so you could look on it as border defense


Yes, I too mourn the loss of ONE American. But, Holder didn't do it. Obama didn't do it. The ATF did it. Why aren't any of THOSE guys in jail? Why aren't you interested in investigating them?
Ex no one mourns the loss of life in a war, these people are expendiable, that is why it is called a war so there could be casualities of war and investigations are not necessary.

I think the actions of the ATF here are deplorable and reprehensible and someone should be held to account and that person is the person who authorised the operation and since executive privilege is involved we know where the buck stops


So, you'll excuse me if I happen to be outraged about it too. I just don't share YOUR outrage.

Excon

Less outrage more action

Yes we should be equally outraged that hundreds of Mexicans have been killed by the botched attempt by the Adm to make a connection between Mexican drug violence and the rights of Americans to own guns .

BTW ;there are 2 American deaths due to this flawed policy. Besides Border agent Brian Terry ;ICE agent Jaime Zapata was also gunned down with a F&F weapon.
Why is it a big deal beyond a major policy snafu ? Because for a year and a half, Holder and his underlings have lied, stonewalled, misdirected, finger pointed, flip-flopped and taken the Fifth in a desperate attempt to wriggle free of the House Oversight Committee' s investigation.

yes we should be equally outraged that hundreds of Mexicans have been killed by the botched attempt by the Adm to make a connection between Mexican drug violence and the rights of Americans to own guns . Hello tom:

Hmmmph... Finally, the FOX News conspiracy hits our boards... Bwa ha ha ha ha...

But, there's even BETTER evidence that Obama wants to take away your guns... The fact that he hasn't TRIED to during his first administration means that he's clearly going to go after them during his second...

In fact, that's WHY he didn't try during his first term... He was WAITING and LULLING you wingers to sleep, so he could SURPRISE us... Yeah, that makes sense...

excon

It's the motive that makes most sense.
Obama has forfeited plausible deniability and tied F&F directly to the White House with his use of executive privilege . Why would he do that if this was just an ATF screw up ? Why wouldn't he make the documents available unless he was trying to hide his or Holder's involvement ? Yeah ;the gun control angle is pure speculation .However ,I've heard of nothing more plausible . You will note that I gave then the benefit of the doubt until now . It is the President who has turned this into something greater than what it should've been, Now the question is :why ? (that FOX stuff still bores me)

Why wouldn't he make the documents available unless he was trying to hide his or Holder's involvement ? Hello again, tom:

As you know, the reason for executive privilege is so that administration officials can speak candidly between themselves without fear that those conversations will be made public. Government wouldn't work so good if people don't talk to each other... Take the congress, for example..

excon

Again ;he loses plausible deniability . Also ,Holder ,a cabinet officer is not subject to that unless the issue is national security since he is confirmed by the Senate. That is why you saw Bush use it for Bolton but not for AG Gonzales.

Hello again, tom:

I thought so too. But, this morning on This Week, they had a quote from Mulcasey stating his belief that executive privilege DOES cover communication between cabinet officers..

I've been looking for it.. I can't find it. You'll have to take my word for it.

excon

I'll check on that some more ;but I think 'm right on that based on US v Nixon.(more below).. ultimately it is probable that if Congress presses this case ,then the courts will arbitrate.But lets say it is as you suggest and confidential commmunications between the President and his cabinet are subject to executive privilege ,then it is an admission that F&F was not a renegade operation deep in the ATF. He is admitting that White House staff were involved.


But although it considered a president's communications with his close advisors to be
“presumptively privileged,” the Court (in US v Nixon) rejected the President's contention that the privilege was absolute, precluding judicial review whenever it is asserted. Also,
while acknowledging the need for confidentiality of high level communications in
the exercise of Article II powers, the Court stated that when the privilege depends
solely on the broad, undifferentiated claim of public interest in the confidentiality of
such communications,” a confrontation with other values arises.” It held that
“absent a need to protect military, diplomatic, or sensitive national security secrets,
we find it difficult to accept the argument that even the very important interest in
confidentiality of presidential communications is significantly diminished by
production of” materials that are essential to the enforcement of criminal statutes.http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/secrecy/RL30319.pdf
neither the doctrine of separation of powers nor the need for confidentiality of high-level communications, without more, can sustain an absolute, unqualified Presidential privilege of immunity from judicial process under all circumstances.
Executive privilege cannot be used to cover up criminal wrongdoing, such as lying to Congress.
(United States v. Nixon)

yes they live in their own little world

That's about enough snark on that bullsh*t.

Issa is backing Obama into a corner (http://thehill.com/homenews/house/234721-issa-raises-charges-against-obama-in-fast-and-furious-probe). Let's see if he comes out swinging.


Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) on Tuesday accused President Obama of either obstructing a congressional investigation or of involvement in the Fast and Furious gun-tracking operation.

In a seven-page letter to the president, the chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee leveled his most direct allegations yet at Obama just two days ahead of a full House vote on whether to place Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress for failing to respond to a subpoena...

"Either you or your most senior advisers were involved in managing Operation Fast and Furious and the fallout from it, including the false Feb. 4, 2011 letter provided by the attorney general to the committee,” Issa wrote to Obama. “Or, you are asserting a presidential power that you know to be unjustified solely for the purpose of further obstructing a congressional investigation.”

Holder has insisted and insisted the White House knew nothing about F&F and the executive privilege claim only came Holder's pathetic attempt at a deal (http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/26/issa-to-obama-either-youre-involved-in-fast-and-furious-or-your-executive-privilege-claim-is-unjustified/#ixzz1yuZPOXkF).


“He indicated a willingness to produce the ‘fair compilation’ of post-February 4th documents,” Issa wrote to the president. “He told me that he would provide the ‘fair compilation’ of documents on three conditions: (1) that I permanently cancel the contempt vote; (2) that I agree the department was in full compliance with the committee’s subpoenas, and; (3) that I accept the ‘fair compilation,’ sight unseen.”

Bwa ha ha! Cancel the contempt vote, tell everyone how compliant I was and then you trust me to give you the documents you want sight unseen. No wonder he had to run to POTUS for a last gasp rescue. What a chump, and you guys would have been all over Gonzales' a$$ for the slightest appearance of a coverup. How much more do you need with this guy?

Waiting for you to dangle your next shiny object.

Waiting for you to dangle your next shiny object.Hello again, Steve:

Fishing expedition.. Issa has visions of grandeur. He wants to be the guy who brings down the president, but there's nothing there. He'll fail, and Obama will be reelected.

excon

Hello again, Steve:

Fishing expedition.. Issa has visions of grandeur. He wants to be the guy who brings down the president, but there's nothing there. He'll fail, and Obama will be reelected.

excon

Ah, getting to the bottom of the murder of Brian Terry from an AG that has consistently stonewalled, retracted testimony, dodged, shifted blame and then begged for cover is a "fishing expedition." Good thing nobody got killed or anything...

To bad Issa is so intent on making Holder and Obama look bad, that he isn't investigating the real cause and effect that lead to a dead agent, by interviewing the ones that were involved in the case.

Rep. Darrell Issa Admits There Is No Evidence Connecting White House To Fast & Furious Scandal | Mediaite (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/rep-darrell-issa-admits-there-is-no-evidence-connecting-white-house-to-fast-furious-scandal/)

NO supeonas for the supervisors, or agents involved.

New information names kingpin the FBI protected in Brian Terry murder - National Conservative | Examiner.com (http://www.examiner.com/article/new-information-names-kingpin-the-fbi-protected-brian-terry-murder)

Amazing how none of these folks were called in to supply testimony, so the facts are not what Issa is after. Some investigation.

To bad Issa is so intent on making Holder and Obama look bad, that he isn't investigating the real cause and effect that lead to a dead agent, by interviewing the ones that were involved in the case.

Rep. Darrell Issa Admits There Is No Evidence Connecting White House To Fast & Furious Scandal | Mediaite (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/rep-darrell-issa-admits-there-is-no-evidence-connecting-white-house-to-fast-furious-scandal/)

And this is earth-shattering news? You don't see the slightest hint of a possible coverup in over a year of withholding documents, retracting testimony then claiming executive privilege after a lame request for absolution? I guess your standards for scandal have risen exponentially since Bush was in office.


NO supeonas for the supervisors, or agents involved.

Apparently you have a convenient memory.

'Fast and Furious' Whistleblowers Struggle Six Months After Testifying Against ATF Program (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11/30/fast-and-furious-whistleblowers-struggle-six-months-after-testifying-against/)

They testified before Congress - even though the DoJ tried to stonewall their testimony (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/obamas-desperate-immigration-gambit-671811-5.html#post3163122). Yes I cited Fox.

Again, good thing nobody got killed or anything...

My memory is correct and functioning fine, and your position would be more tenable if Issa had something more than a political agenda to pursue.

Lost in all this is still the guns themselves getting into the hands of drug dealers in the first place, and sure this was botched in the execution stages, yet their was no subpoenas for those that took part in this, nor was the FBI called in for their role in this fiasco. So its not a truthful investigation for facts, but a targeted specific smear campaign designed to look tough, and undermine the justice departments efforts in many other areas they can't look into but oppose, such as the voter suppression efforts in a few states or the lawsuits filed against immigration law abuses.

Now you can spin this and use the death of an agent all you want to justify their actions, but the motives of Issa and the republicans is very clear, and no amount of targeted outrage will cover the fact that this is fueled by wild conspiracy theory, and the NRA, and maybe its Issa who should be investigated.

Over reach, and abuse of power come to mind, because no matter where this leads, the conditions for more deaths is still present, even if the dunces who botched this operation are gone.

Where does the buck stop? It stops with AG Holder, he is the man responsible.

You can leave the NRA, fishing expeditions, and all manner of conspiracy that your side is manufacturing like voter suppression, smear campaigns and bringing Obama down out of it. The only conspiracies in play here are operation Fast and Furious and whether the White House is covering their a$$es on it.

We all deserve to know the truth on this. Enough diversions.

Issa won't find the truth, he isn't looking, or interested. He is doing as he is told by the NRA. I can wait for the Inspector Generals report.

Issa won't find the truth, he isn't looking, or interested. He is doing as he is told by the NRA...

Bwa ha ha ha!! Got anything more than lame conspiracy theories?

Hello again, Steve:

Yup, the media FINALLY noticed. A Fortune Magazine (http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/27/fast-and-furious-truth/)investigation reveals that the ATF never intentionally allowed guns to fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. How the world came to believe just the opposite is a tale of rivalry, murder, and political bloodlust.

Bwa, ha ha ha.

excon

Bwa ha ha ha!!! Got anything more than lame conspiracy theories?

Well there is material to support the theory:

Why NRA wants Congress to vote Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt - CSMonitor.com (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/2012/0627/Why-NRA-wants-Congress-to-vote-Attorney-General-Eric-Holder-in-contempt)

Issa Peddled Conspiracy Theory at NRA Convention, Called Fast and Furious an Attack on the 2nd Amendment (VIDEO) | rightwingwatch.org (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/issa-peddled-conspiracy-theory-nra-convention-called-fast-and-furious-attack-2nd-amendment)

NRA-ILA | Issa's right: Tougher gun laws Fast and Furious goal (http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/in-the-news/2012/6/issa%27s-right-tougher-gun-laws-fast-and-furious-goal.aspx)

http://nraila.org/media/7733622/cc-letter-to-issa.pdf

Well there is material to support the theory:

Why NRA wants Congress to vote Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt - CSMonitor.com (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/2012/0627/Why-NRA-wants-Congress-to-vote-Attorney-General-Eric-Holder-in-contempt)

Issa Peddled Conspiracy Theory at NRA Convention, Called Fast and Furious an Attack on the 2nd Amendment (VIDEO) | rightwingwatch.org (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/issa-peddled-conspiracy-theory-nra-convention-called-fast-and-furious-attack-2nd-amendment)

NRA-ILA | Issa's right: Tougher gun laws Fast and Furious goal (http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/in-the-news/2012/6/issa%27s-right-tougher-gun-laws-fast-and-furious-goal.aspx)

http://nraila.org/media/7733622/cc-letter-to-issa.pdf

I think what you have here is the tail wagging the dog.

Hello again, Steve:

Yup, the media FINALLY noticed. A Fortune Magazine (http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/27/fast-and-furious-truth/)investigation reveals that the ATF never intentionally allowed guns to fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. How the world came to believe just the opposite is a tale of rivalry, murder, and political bloodlust.

Bwa, ha ha ha.

excon

Then Holder has nothing to hide, right?

Then Holder has nothing to hide, right?Hello again, Steve:

Doesn't the subpoena call for Holder to release some information that he's legally PREVENTED from releasing?? I think it does. Should ALL the conversations between the president and the attorney general be exposed? Nahhh.

So, even though he nothing to "hide", he has plenty that isn't anybody's business. Besides, you ask the wrong question. The one I'd ask is how badly is Romney AND the Republican brand going to be HURT by this witch hunt.

excon

Good thing nobody got killed or anything, right?

Repeating ad nauseum a talking point - that is the far right's modis operandi.

Excuse me, but those are my words and mine alone and I'll keep repeating them ad nauseum until you guys take the death of Brian Terry seriously. Apparently people getting killed is no big deal to you.

Good thing nobody got killed or anything, right?

Excuse me, but those are my words and mine alone and I'll keep repeating them ad nauseum until you guys take the death of Brian Terry seriously. Apparently people getting killed is no big deal to you.Hello again, Steve:

If it's SUCH a big deal, why don't you hold the guy who actually DID Fast and Furious, accountable? THOSE dots can be connected. I don't know WHY Issa doesn't do that - unless his intention is NOT to hold people to account, but to make POLITICAL waves.

Surely, there's NO evidence that Holder OR Obama had ANYTHING to DO with what actually KILLED the guy you seem so worried about.

excon

Hello again, Steve:

If it's SUCH a big deal, why don't you hold the guy who actually DID Fast and Furious, accountable? THOSE dots can be connected. I dunno WHY Issa doesn't do that - unless his intention is NOT to hold people to account, but to make POLITICAL waves.

Surely, there's NO evidence that Holder OR Obama had ANYTHING to DO with what actually KILLED the guy you seem so worried about.

excon

^

He said it better.

Hello again, Steve:

If it's SUCH a big deal, why don't you hold the guy who actually DID Fast and Furious, accountable? THOSE dots can be connected. I dunno WHY Issa doesn't do that - unless his intention is NOT to hold people to account, but to make POLITICAL waves.

Surely, there's NO evidence that Holder OR Obama had ANYTHING to DO with what actually KILLED the guy you seem so worried about.

excon

Again I ask, where does the buck stop? Who is responsible for F&F?? Why did Holder lie? Why has he stonewalled for over a year? Why did Obama cover for him? None of these questions honestly trouble you?

Darn it, good thing nobody got killed or anything.

good thing nobody got killed or anything.Spam and trolling.

The buck STARTS at the NRA.

Dems urge NRA to stay out of contempt fight - TheHill.com (http://thehill.com/homenews/house/235119-dems-urge-nra-to-stay-out-of-holder-contempt-fight)

But it's OK for Dems to send thousands of weapons to Mexico to influence American politics about gun control ?

Spam and trolling.

Lame and pathetic and totally inaccurate. An "Ultra Member" is not a troll by definition, but if I'm a troll then so are you. Actually, you're more of a creeper.

But it's ok for Dems to send thousands of weapons to Mexico to influence American politics about gun control ?Hello tom:

You COULD say that if you're a believer in THAT particular conspiracy theory. The good news is, if you take your tin foil hat off, the conspiracy will disappear.

excon

The buck STARTS at the NRA.

Dems urge NRA to stay out of contempt fight - TheHill.com (http://thehill.com/homenews/house/235119-dems-urge-nra-to-stay-out-of-holder-contempt-fight)

That wasn't the question and the NRA has as much right to petition congress as the SEIU. The question was where does the buck STOP?

The question was where does the buck STOP?Hello again, Steve:

Hold on, podner... You're all wrapped up in right wing world... We KNOW who authorized F&F. Now, it's true, the president is responsible for EVERYTHING the federal government does... The buck stops with him. You don't really need him to tell you that.

Now, I understand the right wing, in the absence of ANY evidence whatsoever, THINKS that Holder or Obama did something wrong... It's that, or the Republicans want to CREATE a scandal out of whole cloth, during election season...

I suspect, it's the latter.

excon

It has been in investigation for over a year. Seems to me it was the stonewalling Adm that created the scandal.

So those 17 Democrats who voted with the Reps "want to CREATE a scandal out of whole cloth, during election season"??

So those 17 Democrats who voted with the Reps "want to CREATE a scandal out of whole cloth, during election season"???Hello again, Steve:

I don't know.. When you were younger, you were at least CLOSER to the truth than you are these days. Now, you're out there somewhere... Come back... Come back...

Truly, we both know that the Democrats who voted with the Republicans are afraid of losing their seats, because they're intimidated by the NRA. It's true. You guys move in lockstep much better than the Democrats do. Plus, your guys don't seem so chicken..

Like you said, it IS election season.

excon

The truth? Are you really interested in the truth? If you were you'd want to know what they're hiding. This isn't Roger Clemens, this is a pattern of stonewalling, lying, retracting. Refusing to comply with subpoenas and refusing to make key witnesses available for interviewing before the Committee.

You guys keep whining about never having so and so testify, well the DoJ won't make them available and the FBI and the DEA never submitted anything the Committee requested. You want blood out of a turnip?

My mom sure likes not falling through that donut hole, bet yours does too. OOPS! Wrong thread!!

You guys keep whining about never having so and so testify, well the DoJ won't make them available and the FBI and the DEA never submitted anything the Committee requested.Hello again, Steve:

What's interesting in this election season (or any other for that matter), is that for every event, we have TWO sets of facts. And, they're not even close.. There's not even an ATTEMPT at finding out exactly WHAT the truth is. It's DESTROY the other guy so you can WIN at all costs, and shove your stuff down HIS throat.

That's my assessment of what the right wing is doing.. My bet is that's what you think the left is doing. Whatdya know about that?

excon

It's a silly election season for sure but this is not new, we've been asking for answers on F&F for what, 2 years? The difference here is the left is busy mocking Romney for his dog on roof and smearing him as a bigot for an alleged high school incident.

I'm asking what Holder knew about an operation the allowed thousands of guns to walk into the hands of Mexican drug cartels and led to the death of not only Brian Terry but the husband of a Mexican official and God knows what else. Seems like slightly different levels of importance here.

Who sells a kid 10 military style weapons in the first place... legally?

I'm asking what Holder knew about an operation the allowed thousands of guns to walk into the hands of Mexican drug cartels Hello again, Steve:

Holder testified under oath that he didn't know about it... THAT'S evidence. You may not believe it, but it's EVIDENCE nonetheless. In the absence of evidence to the contrary, you want to "investigate" to find out if he's lying... And, that's a fishing expedition.

excon

First it was didn't know about it, next it was he learned about it only “few weeks” earlier, then he it was he was off by few months when he testified he only knew about it a few weeks earlier. You must have slept through his "evolving" testimony.

Who sells a kid 10 military style weapons in the first place.........................legally?

Who lets Barrett (http://barrett.net/) .50 cals walk into drug dealer's hands?

Well if its not illegal to buy the thing or resell it and you can't get a probale cause warrant, What's the next step? Hell they can't keep guns out of the hands of American gun dealers.

Hey the guy said he didn't know about it. Well someone did and that someone is going down, even if he is the president. What is it you don't get about this, is it the total illegailty of the actions no matter who is to blame or the absolute lack of responsibility

Hell they can't keep guns out of the hands of American gun dealers.

Maybe that's because they're gun dealers.

I mean't American drug dealers.

Hello again,

Look.. It's over. The Justice Department is NOT going to prosecute Holder. The family will NEVER find out what happened if THAT was the intent of the which hunt. The House Republicans embarrassed themselves. Done deal.

excon

By the way, whatever happened to the left loving whistleblowers? They were Time's "Person of the Year in 2002."

http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/2002/1101021230_400.jpg

Seems the love for whistleblowers has disappeared under Holder's reign at DoJ. But who cares? They're just a bunch of rat-finks, and it's not as if anybody died or anything, right?

Issa and Grassley would like to know (http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/29/issa-grassley-release-details-about-fast-and-furious-whistleblower-retaliation-cover-up/#ixzz1zTkicX1J) however, why "two of the main whistleblowers who have testified before Congress about Fast and Furious under the supervision of someone (Scot Thomasson) who vowed to retaliate against them."

That supervisor was Scot Thomasson, who according to an eyewitness said “We need to get whatever dirt we can on these guys [the whistleblowers] and take them down.”

Thomasson also allegedly said that: “All these whistleblowers have axes to grind. ATF needs to f—k these guys.”

So where's the love for whistleblowers now?

P.S. Back in February of 2011, Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich wrote a letter to Grassley that stated the DoJ knew nothing about F&F. Funny, but he cc’d emails with talking points on how to respond to questions about F&F in January.

I'm sure it's just more liberal evolution. A few years back whistleblowers were hot and coverups bad. Now it's just the opposite.

David Axelrod: Romney ‘Most Secretive Candidate’ Since Nixon (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/david-axelrod-romney-most-secretive-candidate-since-nixon/)

Pardon me while I to maintain a straight face. Nope, can't do it. Bwa ha ha ha ha ha!!

This coming from the folks who boasted the thoroughly unvetted, unknown, one term senator would make "transparency" the "hallmark" of their administration.

Mr. Axelrod, what is your boss hiding in the F&F investigation?