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tomder55
Mar 17, 2021, 06:12 AM
Not blaming Mao . I'm charging the left with cultural appropriation ;stealing Maoism and adopting it . Does it hit a nerve ? You never complained when I called it Jacobinism ,which predated Mao .The Jacobin movement also favored extreme intervention to transform society .......if you consider the guillotine extreme .

talaniman
Mar 17, 2021, 06:54 AM
I suppose that's fair Tom as I have accused the right and repubs of appropriating racists Jim Crow policies to enrich themselves and hold sway over power and influence for the corporate masters. Divide conquer and legally loot while suppressing and oppressing the rights of the lower classes through fear intimidation misinformation and bullying.

Hey, did I just describe the dufus administration? A new report just came out about Vlad and the dufus colluding AGAIN during the last election. Good thing they failed.

tomder55
Mar 18, 2021, 04:52 AM
Today's blacklister is a bi-racial student at the Las Vegas charter school Democracy Preparatory Academy, who received a failing grade in his critical race theory ,'Sociology of Change' class ,because he refused to condemn his white half .

William Clark is a biracial teenager in Nevada. He lives in transitional housing with his mother Gabrielle, who is black and disabled. William works at a local fast food restaurant to support his mother and two siblings. His father died when he was young. In no way can he be considered 'privileged' .

The assignment was to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities. Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.

His mother filed suit in the Federal District Court of Nevada, claiming the school violated William’s First Amendment rights by “repeatedly compelling his speech involving intimate matters of race, gender, sexuality and religion. She claims Gabrielle is now “suffering from the shock, anxiety, and guilt associated with having entrusted her son to adult custodians who have set upon ‘unlearning’ the Judeo-Christian values she imparted to her son.”


Black Mom Sues School After She Says Biracial Son Received Failing Grade In Sociology Class for Refusing to Confess His 'White Dominance' (atlantablackstar.com) (https://atlantablackstar.com/2021/03/15/lawsuit-biracial-high-school-student-receives-failing-grade-in-sociology-class-after-refusing-to-attach-aspects-of-identity-to-oppression-and-dominance/)

jlisenbe
Mar 18, 2021, 04:58 AM
The assignment was to reveal his race, gender, religious, and sexual identities and then attach derogatory labels to those identities. Students were then asked to “undo and unlearn” their “beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that stem from oppression.” William was understandably reluctant to label himself as “privileged” or an “oppressor.” He refused and was failed.Strange how it wasn't that long ago that "self-esteem" was the sacred cow of liberal education. Now, if you are white, it is self degradation. Thank goodness his mom has a backbone.

tomder55
Mar 18, 2021, 05:24 AM
Did you hear about Winston Marshall, the banjo player for the band Mumford & Sons ? He tweeted his support for author Andy Ngo for his recent book, 'Unmasked: Inside Antifa's Radical Plan to Destroy Democracy. ' .
His life was instantly destroyed by the thought police. Realizing his 'mistake ' .He announced that he would 'take time away' from the band to examine his 'blind spots ' . That is the power of the woke culture warriors today .

jlisenbe
Mar 18, 2021, 05:31 AM
It would be better if these people would stand up and show a little courage. His apology should have been for having played so many years in a band populated by weak-minded losers.

On a little different but not unrelated subject, read this today. Unreal.


The digital magazine The Root (https://www.foxnews.com/media) was accused of racism Wednesday after publishing an article declaring "Whiteness is a Pandemic" in response to Tuesday's deadly shootings (https://www.foxnews.com/category/us/crime/mass-murder) in Georgia (https://www.foxnews.com/category/us/us-regions/southeast/georgia).

There was a rush to conclude that the shootings that killed eight people at three Atlanta-area massage parlors were hate crimes after officials confirmed that six of the eight victims were Asian-Americans. Investigators said Wednesday that the suspected gunman, 21-year-old Robert Long, told them he was motivated by a "sexual addiction". They added that racism "did not appear to be the motive". Long has since been charged with multiple counts of murder and assault.

In the piece, Root senior editor Damon Young argued that "Whiteness" is a "public health crisis." "It shortens life expectancies, it pollutes air, it constricts equilibrium, it devastates forests, it melts ice caps, it sparks (and funds) wars, it flattens dialects, it infests consciousnesses, and it kills people—[W]hite people and people who are not [W]hite, my mom included," Young began. "There will be people who die, in 2050, because of white supremacy-induced decisions from 1850."

https://www.foxnews.com/media/the-root-damon-young-whiteness-pandemic-nyt

tomder55
Mar 19, 2021, 02:47 AM
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paraclete
Mar 19, 2021, 03:25 PM
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afraid of the thought police, Tom?

tomder55
Mar 19, 2021, 03:54 PM
no I was not comfortable posting what I wrote without sufficient supporting evidence ,

paraclete
Mar 19, 2021, 04:54 PM
supporting evidence, a strange concept for this place

jlisenbe
Mar 20, 2021, 06:04 AM
Not exactly a blacklist example, but still related to the topic. From a federal judge.

"The increased power of the press is so dangerous today because we are very close to one-party control of these institutions," said Silberman, who was nominated to the federal bench by Ronald Reagan and has been a senior judge on the D.C. Circuit Court since 2000.

"Although the bias against the Republican Party—not just controversial individuals—is rather shocking today, this is not new; it is a long-term, secular trend going back at least to the ’70s," Silberman wrote. "Two of the three most influential papers (at least historically), The New York Times and The Washington Post, are virtually Democratic Party broadsheets. And the news section of The Wall Street Journal leans in the same direction. The orientation of these three papers is followed by The Associated Press and most large papers across the country (such as the Los Angeles Times, Miami Herald, and Boston Globe). Nearly all television—network and cable—is a Democratic Party trumpet. Even the government-supported National Public Radio follows along."

https://www.foxnews.com/media/federal-judge-laurence-silberman

talaniman
Mar 20, 2021, 12:05 PM
It's highly possible and likely the modern repub/conservative positions are not the popular mainstream or majority they would have us believe. Or they believe themselves to be.

Athos
Mar 20, 2021, 03:38 PM
Polls are not perfect but they are in agreement that the Republicans are in a steady decline for almost two decades. The gain is primarily with Independents which can be seen as a left-leaning centrist position. The Democrats continue to lead the Republicans and behind the Independents.

Why the decline in Repubs? It is simply due to the public positions of the Republican elite. McConnell, Johnson, Graham, Cruz, Rubio, et al, and, of course, Trump who is not really a Republican. There isn't an accurate term for him. Dufus will do. The others almost daily promote bizarre positions that clearly belie any thoughtful principled stand.

Silberman (quoted above) once wanted to remove J Edgar Hoover from all mention, now he objects to the same thing being done to confederate items. This Republican judge is a good example of what's wrong with Republicanism - no principles to stand by causing them to sway with whatever way the wind blows.

paraclete
Mar 22, 2021, 06:33 PM
Polls are not perfect but they are in agreement that the Republicans are in a steady decline for almost two decades. The gain is primarily with Independents which can be seen as a left-leaning centrist position. The Democrats continue to lead the Republicans and behind the Independents.


It is not just the pelicans who are in steady decline, the demonrats are in decline too, afterall they couldn't find a more acceptable candidate than Biden

Athos
Mar 22, 2021, 07:59 PM
It is not just the pelicans who are in steady decline, the demonrats are in decline too, afterall they couldn't find a more acceptable candidate than Biden

That candidate got the highest number of votes in American presidential history. He's doing pretty well so far.

paraclete
Mar 22, 2021, 08:01 PM
Oh please, the population had had enough of Trump, daisy dog would have got as many votes

Athos
Mar 22, 2021, 08:07 PM
Oh please, the population had had enough of Trump, daisy dog would have got as many votes

Then how do you explain the votes Trump got if the population had enough of him - you can't have it both ways.

paraclete
Mar 22, 2021, 08:49 PM
as Lincoln said you can fool some of the people some of the time

Athos
Mar 22, 2021, 08:56 PM
as Lincoln said you can fool some of the people some of the time

Then your statement that the population had had enough of Trump is not true. As I said, you can't have it both ways.

jlisenbe
Mar 23, 2021, 03:58 AM
He's doing pretty well so far.On what planet do you live?

paraclete
Mar 23, 2021, 04:22 AM
On what planet do you live?

The better question is on what planet do you live? Planet Trump?

jlisenbe
Mar 23, 2021, 04:26 AM
The better question is on what planet do you live? Planet Trump?No. The real question is why you don't confine yourself to issues you have some small level of knowledge on. Maybe Aussie land?

But that does raise a good question. What is it that Biden is doing well at?

talaniman
Mar 23, 2021, 07:54 AM
He has evicted the dufus and turned down the right wing noise machine and started the much needed clean up of the mess the right has made. Not bad for a few months work so far.

Athos
Mar 23, 2021, 10:13 AM
Biden faces the immigration problem at the southern border far differently than Trump. Where Trump put children in cages and separated them from their parents, not giving a damn based on his rhetoric, Biden is genuinely trying to find solutions to an almost intractable problem. Give him the four years Trump had to resolve the problem (calling Mexicans rapists and building a wall to be paid by Mexico), and then see what Biden was able to accomplish.

Closer to home, Biden has immediately recognized the pandemic problem and has acted forcefully and by telling the truth, unlike his predecessor who first denied it was happening, and then compared it to the flu when it was well on its way to over half a million deaths.

100,000,000 vaccinations and counting, well ahead of the goal.

jlisenbe
Mar 23, 2021, 12:11 PM
Biden's dumb policies has greatly accelerated illegal crossings. He is putting children in cages as well and separating them from their parents. He is guilty of everything you said Trump was guilty of and refuses to allow the press any access to the facilities. Finishing the wall would do everyone a favor.

Thank goodness that the Trump vaccine is proving to be effective.

tomder55
Mar 23, 2021, 01:18 PM
Biden faces the immigration problem at the southern border far differently than Trump. Where Trump put children in cages and separated them from their parents, not giving a damn based on his rhetoric, Biden is genuinely trying to find solutions to an almost intractable problem. Give him the four years Trump had to resolve the problem (calling Mexicans rapists and building a wall to be paid by Mexico), and then see what Biden was able to accomplish.

except Quid invited them in before he said they could come ....just not now

Quid campaigned on :
easing controls and enforcement
putting moratoriums on deportations
ending the sensible Trump policy of 'wait in Mexico '

That gave migrants the belief and hope needed to take the perilous journey.

He also said his immigration bill would offer legal status and a path to citizenship . It was a recipe for the disaster at the border we see unfolding where the equivalent of the population of a major US town crosses daily .

It was his policies and rhetoric alone that caused the crisis (a word his flunkies will not use ) .It is Quid's policies alone that leads migrants to take risks on dangerous terrain and increases the likelihood that unaccompanied minors will end up in Quid cages (don't deny it ) . Many of the minors crossing alone lost parents murdered on the trail . Many more of them have been raped and abused on the trail . Put that all on Quid . He is solely responsible for it .

Athos
Mar 23, 2021, 01:30 PM
Quid campaigned on :
easing controls and enforcement
putting moratoriums on deportations

Give Biden time. Trump had four years.

tomder55
Mar 23, 2021, 01:41 PM
the border crisis is now . How much covid screening is happening to the 300,000 migrants who illegally entered the US in February alone ?

Wondergirl
Mar 23, 2021, 02:00 PM
the border crisis is now . How much covid screening is happening to the 300,000 migrants who illegally entered the US in February alone ?
We have herd mentality ... oops, that's Trump's term. I meant herd immunity.

paraclete
Mar 23, 2021, 02:12 PM
No. The real question is why you don't confine yourself to issues you have some small level of knowledge on. Maybe Aussie land?

But that does raise a good question. What is it that Biden is doing well at? I see you are in favour of free speech.
Right now here we are a little drenched don't expect you are interested in discussing that.

Biden appears to have some momentum on covid vaccinations and he has stood up on gun control

tomder55
Mar 23, 2021, 02:21 PM
We have herd mentality ... oops, that's Trump's term. I meant herd immunity. yes we do . We will let Quid get away with saying we can have small gatherings with the family when we get vaccinated while he lets hordes cross the border unscreened and even offers to relocate them across the fruited plains .

Wondergirl
Mar 23, 2021, 02:25 PM
yes we do . We will let Quid get away with saying we can have small gatherings with the family when we get vaccinated while he lets hordes cross the border unscreened and even offers to relocate them across the fruited plains .
And they too will be vaccinated.

jlisenbe
Mar 23, 2021, 02:50 PM
And they too will be vaccinated.How do you know that?

Athos
Mar 23, 2021, 03:08 PM
Biden appears to have some momentum on covid vaccinations and he has stood up on gun control

Gun control will go nowhere as long as the Republicans have any say. After one tragedy after another, they will whine and lament and do nothing.

tomder55
Mar 23, 2021, 03:57 PM
there are close to 400 million guns in the US . Good luck with any banning efforts .

jlisenbe
Mar 23, 2021, 04:07 PM
Amazing how there are no calls for gun control when, in Chicago for instance, there are hundreds of people gunned down every year. I guess if you are merely an inner city victim, then you get no sympathy. Might add that Chicago is well known for gun control and well known for gun murders.

Athos
Mar 23, 2021, 04:14 PM
there are close to 400 million guns in the US . Good luck with any banning efforts .

Whew! That's a lot of firepower. Anyway, nobody is banning guns. It's about registering guns and making them harder to obtain. Yes, I know the bad guys will still get guns, but some of these crazy shooters had too easy access to guns.

Let's face it - gun control is not about the 2nd Amendment. It's about a segment of the population that thinks they'll be needed to fight the government. It's that twisted view of the country that sees itself as "rugged individualists" - Marlboro Man. As if guns could stand up against a modern military.

These are the insurrectionists of recent infamy. Wackos. The kids are worse because they break our hearts when they act out.

Australia has managed to have gun control with success. The country didn't implode and didn't see an unstoppable crime wave. We should examine what they did.

tomder55
Mar 23, 2021, 04:36 PM
Anyway, nobody is banning guns. It's about registering guns and making them harder to obtain. Yes, I know the bad guys will still get guns, but some of these crazy shooters had too easy access to guns. The laws are generally in place. Enforce them .

In this case the Colorado judge refused Boulder the ability to ban the gun that was used by the shooter . As a conservative I think that local authorities know better on issues of regulations.

Judge rules Colorado cities unable to enact gun restrictions (koaa.com) (https://www.koaa.com/news/covering-colorado/judge-rules-colorado-cities-unable-to-enact-gun-restrictions)

and yes Quid and Congress wants to make it an issue of banning .
Biden urges Congress to pass assault weapon ban | TheHill (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/544516-biden-urges-congress-to-pass-assault-weapon-ban)

Wondergirl
Mar 23, 2021, 04:48 PM
Quid and Congress wants to make it an issue of banning .
Biden urges Congress to pass assault weapon ban | TheHill (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/544516-biden-urges-congress-to-pass-assault-weapon-ban)
Why does this country need assault weapons to be available to the hoi polloi?

jlisenbe
Mar 23, 2021, 04:50 PM
Why does this country need assault weapons to be available to the hoi polloi?

1. What do you think an "assault weapon" is?
2. What percentage of gun murders are committed with assault weapons?

paraclete
Mar 23, 2021, 04:58 PM
Gun control will go nowhere as long as the Republicans have any say. After one tragedy after another, they will whine and lament and do nothing. The pelicans will be outvoted in the Senate, so I expect a filibuster saying absolutely nothing


1. What do you think an "assault weapon" is?
2. What percentage of gun murders are committed with assault weapons?

probably only a small percentage however they can be banned without affecting many, It is all about perception, you know this


Why does this country need assault weapons to be available to the hoi polloi?

It makes the hoi polloi feel safe in their otherwise unprotected homes

Athos
Mar 23, 2021, 05:01 PM
and yes Quid and Congress wants to make it an issue of banning .
Biden urges Congress to pass assault weapon ban | TheHill (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/544516-biden-urges-congress-to-pass-assault-weapon-ban)

Ok I thought you meant all guns. But assault weapons should be banned - who the hell needs them? So should tanks and aircraft carriers be banned from civilian use. Register the rifles and hand guns.

jlisenbe
Mar 23, 2021, 05:02 PM
Gun murders have been plummeting for the past three decades, so perhaps a knee-jerk reaction is not called for. Perhaps we should ask why a very small group of people do such things.

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/murder-homicide-rate

Wondergirl
Mar 23, 2021, 05:05 PM
It makes the hoi polloi feel safe in their otherwise unprotected homes
ASSAULT weapons??? Why not a Mauser or a .22?

jlisenbe
Mar 23, 2021, 05:09 PM
ASSAULT weapons??? Why not a Mauser or a .22?Because a 22 is not designed to stop a person. Meanwhile, a Mauser is a great deal more powerful than the .223 caliber used by most so called assault weapons.

Again, what do you think an assault weapon is? What percentage of gun murders do they account for?

paraclete
Mar 23, 2021, 05:09 PM
ASSAULT weapons??? Why not a Mauser or a .22?

Yes they should ban baseball bats too

Wondergirl
Mar 23, 2021, 05:12 PM
Yes they should ban baseball bats too
Only once we're in heaven....

tomder55
Mar 23, 2021, 05:26 PM
who the hell needs them?
ask thousands of legitimate hunters in the US and they will tell you .If someone calls an AR-15 design rifle an “assault weapon,” then they’ve been duped by an agenda. They may look like military rifles . But they are not .AR-15-style rifles are no more powerful than other hunting rifles of the same caliber .
Mandatory FBI background check are required for all retail firearm purchases Should the back round check be extended ? Maybe .
Quid's rant has a lot of problems
First it is unconstitutional .That pesky 2nd amendment ... recently confirmed by SCOTUS in the Heller decision . The 2nd Amendment protects ALL arms that are commonly used by law abiding citizens. Trust me ,the AR is probably the most popular sporting gun on the market .Only 3% of gun crimes were criminals using the AR . By far pistols are the weapon of choice for criminals. And yes they get the guns without passing the back round checks.

Athos
Mar 23, 2021, 05:50 PM
ask thousands of legitimate hunters in the US and they will tell you .If someone calls an AR-15 design rifle an “assault weapon,” then they’ve been duped by an agenda. They may look like military rifles . But they are not .AR-15-style rifles are no more powerful than other hunting rifles of the same caliber .
Mandatory FBI background check are required for all retail firearm purchases Should the back round check be extended ? Maybe .
Quid's rant has a lot of problems
First it is unconstitutional .That pesky 2nd amendment ... recently confirmed by SCOTUS in the Heller decision . The 2nd Amendment protects ALL arms that are commonly used by law abiding citizens. Trust me ,the AR is probably the most popular sporting gun on the market .Only 3% of gun crimes were criminals using the AR . By far pistols are the weapon of choice for criminals. And yes they get the guns without passing the back round checks.

I don't want to get down in the weeds over this - let the boys in Congress work it out.

As far as the 2nd Amendment goes, it's pretty clear to me that it's referring to state militias, but I know that's been litigated so I'm a minority. I can't imagine the writers intended it for individual citizens.

Wondergirl
Mar 23, 2021, 05:56 PM
As far as the 2nd Amendment goes, it's pretty clear to me that it's referring to state militias, but I know that's been litigated so I'm a minority. I can't imagine the writers intended it for individual citizens.
And if they did allow it, those individual citizens would have been allowed muskets, muzzle-loaded long guns -- as should be the case now.

Athos
Mar 23, 2021, 06:07 PM
And if they did allow it, those individual citizens would have been allowed muskets, muzzle-loaded long guns -- as should be the case now.

I would even go so far as to supply them with tomahawks.

jlisenbe
Mar 23, 2021, 06:17 PM
As far as the 2nd Amendment goes, it's pretty clear to me that it's referring to state militias, but I know that's been litigated so I'm a minority. I can't imagine the writers intended it for individual citizens.You can't have a militia without individual citizens having guns. A militia is not like a national guard unit.

Wondergirl
Mar 23, 2021, 06:20 PM
You can't have a militia without individual citizens having guns. A militia is not like a national guard unit.
But only certain citizens -- not ALL of them. The rest get tomahawks.

paraclete
Mar 23, 2021, 06:33 PM
You can't have a militia without individual citizens having guns. A militia is not like a national guard unit. Why do you need a militia, you have a standing army, navy, air force, marines, coast guard, space force

Wondergirl
Mar 23, 2021, 06:37 PM
Why do you need a militia, you have a standing army, navy, air force, marines, coast guard, space force
Good point, 'clete!

jlisenbe
Mar 23, 2021, 06:43 PM
We had a standing marines, army and navy in the 18th century, so not a good point. At any rate, the point is that you cannot have a militia without individual gun rights, so yes, that is the point of the amendment.


But only certain citizens -- not ALL of them.Where does it say that?

paraclete
Mar 23, 2021, 06:49 PM
so you are in favour of children, criminals and the insane having guns

jlisenbe
Mar 23, 2021, 06:53 PM
so you are in favour of children, criminals and the insane having gunsI am?

paraclete
Mar 23, 2021, 06:54 PM
That's insane

jlisenbe
Mar 23, 2021, 06:56 PM
I would agree, just like it was insane for you to suggest I have said that.

Wondergirl
Mar 23, 2021, 06:58 PM
We had a standing marines, army and navy in the 18th century, so not a good point. At any rate, the point is that you cannot have a militia without individual gun rights, so yes, that is the point of the amendment.
Yes, you can. The U.S. Supreme Court adopted the following definition for "active militia" from an Illinois Supreme Court case of 1879: " 'a body of citizens trained to military duty, who may be called out in certain cases, but may not be kept on service like standing armies, in times of peace'. . . when not engaged at stated periods . . . they return to their usual avocations . . . and are subject to call when public exigencies demand it."

Thus, guns and ammunition would be kept safely out of sight and handed out when needed.

jlisenbe
Mar 23, 2021, 07:07 PM
Thus, guns and ammunition would be kept safely out of sight and handed out when needed.Except it never says that.

"Today, as defined by the Militia Act of 1903 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_Act_of_1903), the term "militia" is used to describe two classes within the United States:[8] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_(United_States)#cite_note-8)


Organized militia – consisting of State Defense Forces (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Defense_Forces), the National Guard (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_National_Guard) and Naval Militia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Militia).[9] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_(United_States)#cite_note-9)[10] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_(United_States)#cite_note-dod-10)
Unorganized militia – comprising the reserve militia: every able-bodied man of at least 17 and under 45 years of age, not a member of the State Defense Forces, National Guard, or Naval Militia.[11] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_(United_States)#cite_note-11)"

Wondergirl
Mar 23, 2021, 07:12 PM
Except it never says that.
And it doesn't say what you want it to.

jlisenbe
Mar 23, 2021, 07:16 PM
I'll settle for this. "Unorganized militia – comprising the reserve militia: every able-bodied man of at least 17 and under 45 years of age, not a member of the State Defense Forces, National Guard, or Naval Militia."

Wondergirl
Mar 23, 2021, 07:17 PM
I'll settle for this. "Unorganized militia – comprising the reserve militia: every able-bodied man of at least 17 and under 45 years of age, not a member of the State Defense Forces, National Guard, or Naval Militia."
Doesn't say anything about guns and ammunition.

jlisenbe
Mar 23, 2021, 07:23 PM
I'm not sure what your point is. Militias in early American history depended on individual gun owners who could assemble rapidly and be ready. We don't have those now, but individual gun rights are well established in law, so I just don't know where you're trying to go with this.

paraclete
Mar 24, 2021, 04:24 AM
Doesn't say anything about guns and ammunition.

the only requirement is arms and each has two

tomder55
Mar 24, 2021, 04:41 AM
individual gun rights are well established in law,
District of Columbia v. Heller 2008
McDonald v. Chicago 2010
Caetano v. Massachusetts 2016

all recent cases decided by SCOTUS that reaffirms 2nd amendment individual rights to own guns . The argument about militia is a nonstarter according to the Heller decision and McDonald decision. It does not prevent the regulation of firearms . But the assumption is that Americans have the fundamental right to own them.

jlisenbe
Mar 24, 2021, 04:53 AM
And the assault weapons argument is just a distraction. Most liberal dems don't even know what the term refers to. It's like someone saying we could use a 22 or a Mauser, which is along the lines of saying we could use a weiner dog or a german shepherd. The "assault weapons" are used in only 3% or 4% of gun murders. Handguns are far and away the chief culprit. The "ban the assault weapons" movement is just a feel good moment, but is likely meant to be the first step in many intended to suppress gun ownership.

Perhaps we could start moving all gun murderers to the front to every judicial line. We will try your case relatively quickly, give the case one or two automatic, very thorough appeals, and if you are plainly guilty, then you will be executed. If all of this happened in a year or two rather than the usual ten or twenty years, then I think you would see gun murders begin to drop even further than they already have. That's what we could consider if we were really serious about saving lives rather than simply scoring political points.

talaniman
Mar 24, 2021, 06:20 AM
District of Columbia v. Heller 2008
McDonald v. Chicago 2010
Caetano v. Massachusetts 2016

all recent cases decided by SCOTUS that reaffirms 2nd amendment individual rights to own guns . The argument about militia is a nonstarter according to the Heller decision and McDonald decision. It does not prevent the regulation of firearms . But the assumption is that Americans have the fundamental right to own them.

So where is the regulation? The right wants NONE, and prayers and condolences fall far short.


The "ban the assault weapons" movement is just a feel good moment, but is likely meant to be the first step in many intended to suppress gun ownership.

A long held assumption based in FEAR and no excuse for the popular support of reasonable common sense gun control continually opposed by the gun lobby that so far has aided and abetted criminals and homicidal loonies.

tomder55
Mar 24, 2021, 09:19 AM
Why do you need a militia, you have a standing army, navy, air force, marines, coast guard, space force if you need that explained then you are not a free people .Quis custodiet ipsos custodes ?

tomder55
Mar 24, 2021, 09:30 AM
So where is the regulation? The right wants NONE, and prayers and condolences fall far short.

There are gun regulations up the kazoo .Violent crime involving firearms was at its peak when gun laws were also at their peak .It has come down dramatically as gun ownership has skyrocketed. There are about 4 times as many guns in circulation today as in the early ‘90s, ;about 1/3 of all U.S. households, yet murder, assault, and unintentional injury involving firearms are all about half or less than they were then.

Take a look at the areas where gun laws are considered the toughest in the U.S. i.e. Chicago, New York, Los Angeles… these cities have shown that more laws have little to no effect on criminal activity except to increase violence against the people in the poorest areas.

Wondergirl
Mar 24, 2021, 09:30 AM
if you need that explained then you are not a free people .Quis custodiet ipsos custodes ?
Thus, you are limited by your fire power. You will never have enough.

talaniman
Mar 24, 2021, 09:52 AM
if you need that explained then you are not a free people .Quis custodiet ipsos custodes ?

We may be free but that doesn't explain despite the freedoms we are at the mercy of criminals and homicidal maniacs. You seem okay with that.


There are gun regulations up the kazoo .Violent crime involving firearms was at its peak when gun laws were also at their peak .It has come down dramatically as gun ownership has skyrocketed. There are about 4 times as many guns in circulation today as in the early ‘90s, ;about 1/3 of all U.S. households, yet murder, assault, and unintentional injury involving firearms are all about half or less than they were then.

Take a look at the areas where gun laws are considered the toughest in the U.S. i.e. Chicago, New York, Los Angeles… these cities have shown that more laws have little to no effect on criminal activity except to increase violence against the people in the poorest areas.

What good do laws in the big city do when everywhere around them is lawless?

jlisenbe
Mar 24, 2021, 10:02 AM
There are gun regulations up the kazoo .Violent crime involving firearms was at its peak when gun laws were also at their peak .It has come down dramatically as gun ownership has skyrocketed. There are about 4 times as many guns in circulation today as in the early ‘90s, ;about 1/3 of all U.S. households, yet murder, assault, and unintentional injury involving firearms are all about half or less than they were then.

Take a look at the areas where gun laws are considered the toughest in the U.S. i.e. Chicago, New York, Los Angeles… these cities have shown that more laws have little to no effect on criminal activity except to increase violence against the people in the poorest areas.Those ole nagging facts are sure hard to deal with.

tomder55
Mar 24, 2021, 10:05 AM
Thus, you are limited by your fire power. You will never have enough. The NV beat us with primarily the Kalashnikov. It has been used in revolutions since it's invention. Mozambique depicts it on their national flag because it was the weapon of choice against Portugal in it's war of independence from Portugal.

jlisenbe
Mar 24, 2021, 10:09 AM
One of the first things dictators do is disarm the common people. Once that's done, they have you. An armed people is a free people if they choose to be.

tomder55
Mar 24, 2021, 10:12 AM
we are at the mercy of criminals and homicidal maniacs. You seem okay with that. I am for law enforcement something you seem to oppose .

talaniman
Mar 24, 2021, 10:15 AM
I am for law enforcement something you seem to oppose .

Good cops YES...Bad cops HELL NO!.

jlisenbe
Mar 24, 2021, 10:20 AM
we are at the mercy of criminals and homicidal maniacs. You seem okay with that.Tal might be, but I'm not. I'm armed.

talaniman
Mar 24, 2021, 11:31 AM
Tal might be, but I'm not. I'm armed.

So was the good cop in Colorado.

Athos
Mar 24, 2021, 03:26 PM
The NV beat us with primarily the Kalashnikov.

Tomder, do you seriously believe that NV "beat us with primarily the Kalashnikov"? Wanna buy a bridge in Brooklyn?

jlisenbe
Mar 24, 2021, 04:12 PM
NV "beat us with primarily the Kalashnikov"?What do you think it was? You do realize the Kalashnikov is the AK-47 which really is an assault weapon?