I forgot which OP I was posting the casualties of the cancel culture . So starting a new one .

Today's victim is Gina Carano who is (or was ) in the Disney Channel's 'The Mandalorian ' . She was a rising start and rumors was that Disney was going to do a spin off series of her Star Wars character.

That was before she took to Twitter and made this comment :

https://behindtheblack.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/GinaCaronaTweet.png

Her observation is dead on accurate .
But a Twitter lynch mob formed and demanded she be cancelled .(#FireGinaCarano )

Disney bowed to the pressure and fired her .

"Gina Carano is not currently employed by Lucasfilm and there are no plans for her to be in the future," "Nevertheless, her social media posts denigrating people based on their cultural and religious identities are abhorrent and unacceptable."

Following the announcement, #canceldisneyplus began trending on Twitter

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Next is Illinois Institute of Technology where a conservative student attempted to start a 'Turning Point USA 'chapter on campus .
Turning Point promotes conservative principles in college and high schools.121 other students signed collection cards expressing interest in a TPUSA chapter.

But in a Q &A session student senators questioned the validity of Turning Point as a national grassroots organization. Friends of the student started getting texts asking why he would want to start a 'hate group ' on campus . The student bowed to the pressure and withdrew his request . He informed the student government that classmates began to wonder if he, his peers, and his fraternity brothers were “terrible people” for trying to start the club.
Derek Rhea, the executive vice president of the Student Government Association commented that the “entire campus had been completely mobilized,” leading to a “huge movement on the opposing side” against the prospect of a TPUSA group at Illinois Tech.

The student provided screen shots where other students gleefully boasted that they had 'cyber bullied a student org to death.'

I forgot which OP I was posting the casualties of the cancel culture . So starting a new one .
An OP is an Original Post or Original Poster. I believe you mean you're starting a new thread.

Today's victim is Gina Carano who is (or was ) in the Disney Channel's 'The Mandalorian ' . Disney bowed to the pressure and fired her .

Her observation is dead on accurate .
That specific observation is valid. Her other ones are not.

if everyone who made a Holocaust analogy recently were to be canceled, she would have plenty of company on the unemployment line.

You can add Chris Harrison to that last. He was asked about a woman participant in the Bachelor who had her picture taken with a number of other young college women dressed up as southern belles at a party. Evidently, for the dainty, easily offended crowd, that now passes as racism. Harrison simply pointed out that perhaps people should wait for her response to the allegations before crucifying her publicly. His refusal to join the holier than thou lynch mob has resulted in his job now being on the line. He has offered up the obligatory apology in hopes of saving the day.

In the meantime, more than 70% of black kids are now born out of wedlock. It is an absolute disaster that gets no press and is never discussed. Sad.

don't you think it racist to give that statistic without giving the statistics for other races. I guess not but your racial superiority is showing

Hey Tom does your cancel culture also include the repubs who get censured by state GOP because they voted against or talked against the dufus?

I guess not but your racial superiority is showingWell, that's one way to look at it. Another is that, altogether apart from you, I have worked with lower income kids (certainly not all black) who were raised in a single parent home. It is usually a terrible disadvantage. You plainly don't care, and are, it would seem, among those in the the dainty, easily offended crowd. But I don't pay attention to that. Someone needs to make an issue of it. I would hope you would jump on board rather than sit back and throw stones about an issue you seem to know practically nothing about.

BTW, I raised the issue since the Chris Harrison story is about supposed racism against black people. The two subjects go together. If you want to say that most groups in America have enormous problems with OWB, then I agree completely. Why don't you raise the issue and actually discuss it?

Not interested in discussing racism in america

Hey Tom does your cancel culture also include the repubs who get censured by state GOP because they voted against or talked against the dufus?
did he lose his job ? Add Burr to the list if you like . His votes was a safe vote because he had already announced he would not run again. A censure is a slap on the wrist . That is why the Dems did not censure Trump ;which was one of their options . They went for the kill shot and that is what I am mostly posting about .


I'm talking about things like the LGBT organization 'The Human Rights Campaign ' that is pushing the Quid administration to deny accreditation to any school that did not endorse their agenda .
https://www.prophecynewswatch.com/article.cfm?recent_news_id=4518

“Language regarding accreditation of religious institutions of higher education in the Higher Education Opportunity Act could be interpreted to require accrediting bodies to accredit religious institutions that discriminate or do not meet science-based curricula standards. The Department of Education should issue a regulation clarifying that this provision, which requires accreditation agencies to ‘respect the stated mission’ of religious institutions, does not require the accreditation of religious institutions that do not meet neutral accreditation standards including nondiscrimination policies and scientific curriculum requirements.”


So if a religious school teaches homosexuality is a sin, based entirely on that school’s religious beliefs, it's accreditation should be cancelled, and its ability to provide students legally recognized degrees eliminated. First Amendment be damned .

Will Quid go along with that ? Of course he will . This is the President who signed an EO that requires schools to let men who “identify” as women compete in women’s sports.

Question .... if Quid goes along with this ,when will the first Madrasas be closed ?

Hey Tom does your cancel culture also include the repubs who get censured by state GOP because they voted against or talked against the dufus?Politicians are in a different world. We elect them because of their beliefs, and we vote them out or censure them for the same reason. One would hope that actors, plumbers, CEOs, etc, would not fit into that category.

But that being said, I'm not altogether opposed to the idea of the cancel culture. I don't watch the NBA or NFL because of their stupid views on kneeling for the National Anthem. There are very few movies I watch because of the content and language of the movies. Still, when we begin to attempt to practically destroy individuals because they have political views with which we disagree, then that seems to be extreme.

It would be nice if some of them would begin to develop a backbone and refuse to apologize. Chris Harrison would be a good place to start. John McEnroe had a run-in with the speech police several months concerning a statement he made about Serena Williams. He refused to apologize because he knew, and any thinking person knew, that what he said was correct.

I have a question .. We can’t call it the “Chinese” virus cuz that’s racist but calling variations of COVID the “South African” strain or “U.K.” strain are perfectly acceptable?

Just wait for the Wyoming strain of the virus, or the NC strain of the virus. I guess you're to use to the abrasive hyperbolic dufus speech Tom. Hopefully that will change once the 4 years of hateful hollering screaming lying and blaming wears off. Fingers crossed.

The repub infighting is amusing so far as throwing rocks at other repubs is a sport I can get with.

So you don't have an answer . Diseases traditionally have names based on where they originated ( Ebola River in the Democratic Republic of the Congo ; West Nile Virus; German Measles and yes even regionally in the US like Lyme disease , Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever and St. Louis Encephalitis) .

NOT calling covid the China virus was the exception. Do they wield so much power over us that we cower to their demands ?

Did the dufus have to stoke the flames of resentment with his derisive style? His incompetent bigmouth is what sunk him, so why hold on to such a self defeating strategy since THAT guy is gone?

Trying to be civil while you righties recover from the years of dufism. Please refrain from kicking us liberals for trying to pull you by the ankles from the dufus arse.

Your ankles are all we can see of our right wing brothers.

Today's Black lister is Chris Harrison ;host of The Bachelor .
And what did he do ? Nothing .
What happened was that Rachael Kirkconnell, a contestant on the show in 2018 attended an 'Old South 'themed dance in college . I'm sure she was dressed up as a Southern Belle and not a white hooded KKK member . The social media thought police started looking for the dirt when she became a contestant and it did not take long for the fire storm to start .

Now what has that to do with Harrison ? Well initially he would not condemn her and withheld judgment. “We all need to have a little grace, a little understanding, a little compassion.” Then he made the unpardonable sin of saying he was not the "woke police" .

Wrong !! In the cancel culture you are either part of the solution or part of the problem . Non-commitment is as good as guilty . He is guilty of refusing to condemn her .

His punishment ? Last week he announced he was 'stepping aside ' as host of the show .

Gina Carano, about whom I know very little, has taken the right approach. She has apologized for nothing and instead started in a different direction.

"“The Daily Wire is helping make one of my dreams — to develop and produce my own film — come true. I cried out and my prayer was answered,” Carano posted Friday on Instagram. “I am sending out a direct message of hope to everyone living in fear of cancellation by the totalitarian mob. I have only just begun using my voice which is now freer than ever before, and I hope it inspires others to do the same."

It sure does inspire me!!

https://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/mma-ufc/gina-carano-gets-new-job-after-being-dumped-by-disney-2279589/

Is the right wing cancel culture just as bad? Or is this more right wing hollering about the dems? I remember when you guys defended the bosses right to hire and fire who he pleased for whatever reason.

Now you say the boss can't have control over his own product?

The boss still can fire almost at will . What I am pointing out is the mob mentality of the cancel culture . If something as petty as NOT taking to task a contestant who dressed up like a Southern Belle to attend a college dance can get someone canned then anything can. Show me examples where the right applies anything close to this and I will comment on it . In the meantime I will continue to do this . The thing that has been bipartisan is the victims . The left eats their own as well as those from the right . Robespierre awaits his turn in the Guillotine .It is just a matter of time with the left Jacobin mob.

Students and alumni of Harvard University are signing a letter, titled, “Revoke Their Degrees,” which asks Harvard’s leadership to take action against Sen. Ted Cruz, Rep. Dan Crenshaw, and former White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany by banning them from campus and stripping them of their degrees.

Students and alumni of Harvard University are signing a letter, titled, “Revoke Their Degrees,” which asks Harvard’s leadership to take action against Sen. Ted Cruz, Rep. Dan Crenshaw, and former White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany by banning them from campus and stripping them of their degrees.

I can see where the kids and elites actions would bug you, almost as the fringers who can't distinguish between BLM and loony criminals bug me. Join the party.

Students and alumni of Harvard University are signing a letter, titled, “Revoke Their Degrees,” which asks Harvard’s leadership to take action against Sen. Ted Cruz, Rep. Dan Crenshaw, and former White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany by banning them from campus and stripping them of their degrees.They will keep pushing this and it will turn out ugly. Liberal dems have now become the wealthy elite.

They will keep pushing this and it will turn out ugly. Liberal dems have now become the wealthy elite.

They get more like conservative repubs and their wealthy elites everyday which is sad, but it's always been that way in truth. No less sad, but reality.

Today's Black lister is Chris Harrison ;host of The Bachelor .
And what did he do ? Nothing .
What happened was that Rachael Kirkconnell, a contestant on the show in 2018 attended an 'Old South 'themed dance in college . I'm sure she was dressed up as a Southern Belle and not a white hooded KKK member . The social media thought police started looking for the dirt when she became a contestant and it did not take long for the fire storm to start .

Now what has that to do with Harrison ? Well initially he would not condemn her and withheld judgment. “We all need to have a little grace, a little understanding, a little compassion.” Then he made the unpardonable sin of saying he was not the "woke police" .

Wrong !! In the cancel culture you are either part of the solution or part of the problem . Non-commitment is as good as guilty . He is guilty of refusing to condemn her .

His punishment ? Last week he announced he was 'stepping aside ' as host of the show .

This is pretty much true as tomder has described it. I would add that Chris Harrison made the most abject apology I have ever heard, yet he was still roundly criticized by two commentators on cable TV last night. It was suggested that he only made the apology because he "got caught", and that his apology represented an example of "white privilege".

Is a sincere apology never accepted? If so, that is not a road anyone should be taking - right or left.

Loons and morons on both sides. They're every friggin where!

Today's black lister is Heather Mewshaw ,who makes a living doing sign language interpretations for speakers . She has done so for 21 years. She was used as an interpreter for the Quid White House standing beside Press Secretary Jen Psaki during one of her press briefings . She was hired by the White House in November and had done a few for the Trump team also.

She had also in the past did signing for some right wing videos . She says the goal of her signing is about giving the deaf access and it is not political . “Deaf people just want a chance to decide for themselves what information is out there,” she said.'

The Compost wrote :
[The interpreter] who appeared in the White House coronavirus briefing on Monday beside press secretary Jen Psaki was identified by deaf and hard-of-hearing advocates and Time Magazine, fueling questions about the White House’s vetting process and what could have happened if [she] misinterpreted Biden officials or inserted her own bias. No one has publicly disputed her interpretation, but many questioned why the White House would legitimize her by giving [her] the national platform.
…More than 3,500 people have signed a petition to have [the interpreter] banned from interpreting for the White House. Some indicated they intended to report her.

That petition by Change .org now has 9,000 signatures. She has not been officially fired ,but she may be blackballed . She has not appeared at the White House since .

A White House spokesman declined to comment beyond referring to an earlier, prepared statement that said, "The President and this administration have made a commitment to having an ASL interpreter at every press briefing and are working to follow through on that commitment every single day."

Just not using Mewshaw . She has been cancelled .

You call these event cancel culture but seems often private/government enterprises have chosen to mitigate their losses over controversy by getting rid of the controversy very quickly. Now it's on steroids'.

What did you expect? Loyalty? Fair play? Naw cheaper to get rid of the problem and everybody does the math. So go ahead and get to the politics of it and blame the dems.

That is your point isn't it?

if the shoe fits wear it

I prefer to choose my own shoes thanks, as do you.

She had also in the past did signing for some right wing videos ..

She did more than "signing for some right wing videos". She is a Trump supporter, founded a right-wing website, and controversially signed on January 6 for a right-wing video wearing a red MAGA hat.

Surely the Biden Administration has the right to choose their employees.

Quid doesn't have the testicular fortitude to come right out and say .... you are fired .Instead his administration made a marshmallow generic statement about supporting signing .

Mewshaw would put on a MAGA hat if the hearing person was speaking as a Trump supporter or within a MAGA rally so she could “match” with the tone of the hearing person. If they were wearing sun glasses so would she . She admits that she is a Trump supporter . But that did NOT affect her professionalism . She knew that if she was working in the White House she could not display her preferences . And no one has accused her of doing so(despite the woke goon squad that photoshopped her in a MAGA hat while interpreting for Psaki .)

Yeah Quid can hire and fire as he pleases . Quid also says he wants to heal the nation and unify the nation yada yada yada . Apparently his base wants nothing to do with that .

The real beef is that anyone would sign for Trump or the right .That person must be cancelled .

So much for tolerance.

tolerance, who wants to be tolerated?

Quid doesn't have the testicular fortitude to come right out and say .... you are fired .Instead his administration made a marshmallow generic statement about supporting signing .

Nobody was more of a marshmallow than Trump. He never had the balls to fire anyone face-to-face. He tweeted or had a flunkie do his dirty work - like the coward he was, is, and always will be.


Mewshaw would put on a MAGA hat if the hearing person was speaking as a Trump supporter or within a MAGA rally so she could “match” with the tone of the hearing person. If they were wearing sun glasses so would she

Pure nonsense! She was a dedicated Trumpist - as you admit below.


. She admits that she is a Trump supporter ..... And no one has accused her of doing so(despite the woke goon squad that photoshopped her in a MAGA hat while interpreting for Psaki .)

She admitted that she wore the MAGA hat - not photoshopped.


Quid also says he wants to heal the nation and unify the nation yada yada yada . Apparently his base wants nothing to do with that .

It's the Republican/Trump base that wants nothing to do with unity, not Biden's. Your strategy of twisting everything a**-backards isn't working. It's a recognizable tactic used by the right-wing for many years.

I remember when the dufus was firing people for being part of the previous administration or someone they didn't want and the mantra then was a president has a right to name his own team, and everybody serves at the pleasure of the president.

When Joe does it then it's the cancel culture, and whomever has a right to keep working. Go figure.

It's the Republican/Trump base that wants nothing to do with unity, not Biden's.You mean as in the 1.9 tril vote buying scheme known as the Covid relief bill for which all repub input was rejected?

I thought it was a given that the party in power ignores the advice of their opposition

If they have the votes they can ignore the minority party, especially since stalling and delays is all they can do.

John Adams set the standard . Because he believed that everyone in a free country deserves a defense ,he defended the Brits involved in the Boston Massacre . There once was a time that the left in America trumpeted the importance of every American having the right to an attorney. Now, not so much.

Today's black listers are targets because they dared to defend Trump during the recent show trial .

Michael van der Leen's house was vandalized with smashed windows and ugly grafitti . He has been forced to hire armed guards for his protection and has move his wife and children to a secret location.

David Schoen has been cancelled . An offer to teach a civil rights class at a law school was rescinded after he took the job defending Trump.

If the left accuses you of something, you are automatically guilty, and no trial is needed. And anyone who disagrees is automatically guilty as well, and must be hounded and black listed .

Yes the left is unforgiving but Trump will be hounded until incarcerated and not even then will he be left alone. He had the affront to defeat the darling of the left and he did it without chicanery, He also denounced the left's so called victory

That is true . Cy Vance Jr is hounding him .

Trump loses Supreme Court appeal to shield tax records from NY prosecutor (cnbc.com) (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/22/supreme-court-rejects-trump-effort-to-shield-tax-records-from-ny-prosecutors.html)

and the left has a pack of hyenas nipping at his testicles .

you sure they arn't swamp alligators

That is true . Cy Vance Jr is hounding him .

Trump loses Supreme Court appeal to shield tax records from NY prosecutor (cnbc.com) (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/22/supreme-court-rejects-trump-effort-to-shield-tax-records-from-ny-prosecutors.html)

and the left has a pack of hyenas nipping at his testicles .

It's our turn after Benghazi and lock her up.

You all said Trump was packing SCOTUS . Well yesterday SCOTUS had 2 rulings against Trump . He has to turn over returns to Vance and they refused to hear the PA challenge when PA leaders unconstitutionally over ruled the will of the Legislature . So much for court packing . And yes Clete is right . Swamp critters .

Black list update

Parents at San Francisco ;outraged over the school renaming efforts have initiated recall procedures against the board members involved . The renaming effort has been put on hold. The board says they paused the effort to concentrate on reopening schools . But we know the real reason for the decision .

Faced with criticism, San Francisco school board now will delay renaming 44 schools (ktvu.com) (https://www.ktvu.com/news/faced-with-criticism-san-francisco-school-board-now-will-delay-renaming-44-schools)

Parents launch recall effort against school board members – The San Francisco Examiner (sfexaminer.com) (https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/parents-launch-recall-effort-against-school-board-members/)

Today's black lister is whites at Coca Cola .

After Coca-Cola Backlash, LinkedIn Removes Diversity Lesson Telling Employees to 'Be Less White' (newsweek.com) (https://www.newsweek.com/linkedin-removes-diversity-lesson-less-white-1571205)

Parents at San Francisco ;outraged over the school renaming efforts have initiated recall procedures against the board members involved . The renaming effort has been put on hold. The board says they paused the effort to concentrate on reopening schools . But we know the real reason for the decision Thank goodness for some parents with a little backbone.


Today's black lister is whites at Coca Cola .Not only today's blacklister, but today's racists.

Today's black lister is the Muppets . The Disney+ Channel has found some of the episodes so offensive that they have put disclaimers on the episodes .

“This program includes negative depictions and/or mistreatment of people or cultures. These stereotypes were wrong then and are wrong now. Rather than remove this content, we want to acknowledge its harmful impact, learn from it and spark conversation to create a more inclusive future together,” the disclaimer states. "Disney is committed to creating stories with inspirational and aspirational themes that reflect the rich diversity of the human experience around the globe."
Disney+ Advisory - Stories Matter | The Walt Disney Company (https://storiesmatter.thewaltdisneycompany.com/)

The issue must be that Miss Piggy is fat .

The episodes involved had the following guest stars :Jim Nabors, Joel Grey, Steve Martin, Peter Sellers, Cleo Laine, James Coco, Spike Milligan, Crystal Gayle, Kenny Rogers, Beverly Sills, Jonathan Winters, Alan Arkin, James Coburn, Joan Baez, Johnny Cash, Debbie Harry, Wally Boag and Marty Feldman. I don't know why these stars have been singled out ....that is except Johnny Cash .... he sang Orange Blossom Special /Jackson, and there was a confederate flag in the back ground as a prop .

(warning shield your eyes before hitting the link )
Muppet Songs: Johnny Cash and Miss Piggy - Orange Blossom Special/Jackson - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGMaca9g9kg).

Rather than remove this content, we want to acknowledge its harmful impact, learn from it and spark conversation to create a more inclusive future together,More accurately. "Rather than give up the abundant profit from this content, we will merely put out a meaningless statement that serves to kiss up to the radical leftists and makes us appear to be a morally superior, caring company."

I suppose it is shocking that big biz would protect their bottom line from all the hollering going on. Seems to be a fine line between what's offensive now and what once was, and whose doing the hollering and why.

Today's black lister is one of the Jacobin mob who discovered too late that he could become victim himself to the cancel culture lunacy .Jordan Chariton, a lefty "journalist" called for the widespread blacklisting of anyone who discussed the allegations of vote tampering and election fraud .

He tweeted on Jan 6 :
EVERY media outlet that pushed this INSANE election fraud conspiracy for clicks should be taken off the air. They’ve incited a Civil War.

Well this month YouTube took his suggestion and took a video he posted off the air .His video has footage of the Capitol protest .

YouTube explained that they pulled the video because that footage violated its policies against “spam and deceptive practices.”
Chaiton correctly noted that the same footage was being shown on YouTube by CNN.

He now recognizes the errors of his ways . His new tweet reads :

With time to reflect, & seeing Silicon Valley’s censorship onslaught, I regret this tweet made in [the] heat of moment. Whether certain cable/YouTube outlets mislead audiences w/ dishonest claims lacking real evidence, they shouldn’t be targeted.

Just give it time. It doesn't matter what is said or written What the big tech thugs care about is having the power to censor and blacklist. When they run out of conservatives they have demonstrated that they are just as content taking down leftists like Chariton who had been useful idiots .

You have a right to free speech but not lying on my platform. Conservatives had the chance to regulate fair practice so stop whining about censorship after 4 years of lies and conspiracies.

With time to reflect, & seeing Silicon Valley’s censorship onslaught, I regret this tweet made in [the] heat of moment. Whether certain cable/YouTube outlets mislead audiences w/ dishonest claims lacking real evidence, they shouldn’t be targeted.The good news is this. He is learning. Thank goodness for that.

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You have a right to free speech but not lying on my platform. Conservatives had the chance to regulate fair practice so stop whining about censorship after 4 years of lies and conspiracies.





:The left's position and yours apparently is “We tell everyone else what’s right and wrong, We tell everyone else what they can and can’t do and say ; and everyone has to do what we say or else.” I don't see that as free speech . I see that as extreme intolerance .

No, the position of the center and the left is seeking truth. The position of the right is distortion based on thousands of lies and misrepresentations during the last 4 years. You could look it up!

:The left's position and yours apparently is “We tell everyone else what’s right and wrong, We tell everyone else what they can and can’t do and say ; and everyone has to do what we say or else.” I don't see that as free speech . I see that as extreme intolerance .

with you Tom the left is always the party of conformity

with you Tom the left is always the party of conformity

Give 'em time Clete to make adjustments to the NEW reality!

No, the position of the center and the left is seeking truth.How noble you are.


The position of the right is distortion based on thousands of lies and misrepresentations during the last 4 years. You could look it up!Thousands of them! You can look them up!!

Talk about drama. Good grief.

, the position of the center and the left is seeking truth. The position of the right is distortion based on thousands of lies and misrepresentations during the last 4 years. You could look it up!








I submit the evidence . You not so much

I submit the evidence . You not so much


Google Trump's lies. They're all over the internet. Plenty of evidence. More than you could ever deal with.

forget Trump, his day is past, now you have the reality of Biden, think how much damage he can do in two years before the electorate wakes up

forget Trump, his day is past, now you have the reality of Biden, think how much damage he can do in two years before the electorate wakes up

Not a fraction of the damage Trump has done. In fact, Biden has already done what Trump was unable or unwilling to do - Biden has created a rational approach to the Covid pandemic in only weeks. Trump not only did nothing for a year, he is widely credited with negligent homicide resulting in 80% of the deaths.

forget Trump, his day is past, now you have the reality of Biden, think how much damage he can do in two years before the electorate wakes up

He may have been dumped from office, but he still leads the republican party, just ask the repubs.

Google Trump's lies. They're all over the internet. Plenty of evidence. More than you could ever deal with.

Ah yes Google ;the final arbiter of 'truth' ! The Google that the EU fined $1.7 billion for manipulating search results to steer people to the 'truths ' they want you to see ?

"The company maintains at least nine different blacklists that impact our lives, generally without input or authority from any outside advisory group, industry association or government agency."

Google Is the World's Biggest Censor and Its Power Must Be Regulated | Op-Ed | US News (https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2016-06-22/google-is-the-worlds-biggest-censor-and-its-power-must-be-regulated)

"When Google's employees or algorithms decide to block our access to information about a news item, political candidate or business, opinions and votes can shift, reputations can be ruined and businesses can crash and burn. Because online censorship is entirely unregulated at the moment, victims have little or no recourse when they have been harmed. Eventually, authorities will almost certainly have to step in..."

Ah yes Google ;the final arbiter of 'truth'

Google is not the arbiter. Google simply points to other sources re any subject. It points to both right and left sources re politics.

The great cry of the left. "Google it! Do my work for me."

Try googling this. "Susan Rice lies about killings in Benghazi on five different Sunday morning news programs." Was that an example of, "the position of the center and the left is seeking truth"?

They prioritize what they want you to see.

They prioritize what they want you to see.

That's true. But as a frequent user of the search engine, you can get plenty of both sides of a political issue.

True . I frequently have to search 5 pages of results to filter out the BS

True . I frequently have to search 5 pages of results to filter out the BS

Maybe it's BS only to you. I rarely go past the first page and I see plenty of right-wing sites.

got a 2fer today
1st you will recognize the name of this blacklister . Alexei Navalny the Russian dissident that was allegedly poisoned by Putin . He barely survived . He was flown to Berlin for treatment .He then courageously flew back to Russia where he was promptly arrested and put back in jail.

Europe's Court of Human Rights demanded his release .Amnesty International designated him a 'prisoner of conscience '.

Wait Not so Fast !! .

Yesterday Amnesty stripped him as a designated 'prisoner of conscience ' . Why ? Because in the past he had made comments that weren't pc ;and the woke mob went on the offensive . Amnesty did not specify which comments it was referring to and said it was not aware of similar pronouncements made by him in recent years.
What do we know . He is a Russian nationalist who has in the past made comments about illegal immigration into Russia . Would that be enough cause for the woke crowd to turn on him ;and for Amnesty International to bow to the cancel culture ?
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Locally there were 2 NYC educators who were fired for not doing the Black Panther salute . One Jewish and the other a Dominican-American who calls herself Afro-Latina. (The salute in the Marvel Movie)

Rafaela Espinal got canned as head of the Community School District 12 in the Bronx and forced to take a demotion in order to save her retirement and health benefits. Not only did she refuse to do this salute because she believed it created a racial divide, she found herself and the policies of New York’s Department of Education (DOE) particularly offensive and bigoted. She has filed a $40 million suit against NYC DOE ,
“Fellow DOE administrators also allegedly told Espinal she wasn’t ‘Black enough’ and she should ‘just learn to be quiet and look pretty,’

Desperate to keep her retirement benefits and health insurance, the single mom — who recently earned a doctorate — eventually accepted a humiliating demotion to school investigator, a role which requires only a high school diploma and which left her with no permanent desk or phone.
NYC educator fired for refusing 'Black Panther' salute: suit (nypost.com) (https://nypost.com/2021/02/20/nyc-educator-fired-for-refusing-black-panther-salute-suit/)

The other educator, Karen Ames (who is also suing the DOE) experienced similar
treatment .She was grilled about her “ethnic background,” chastised by a colleague at a training session when she shared her grandparents’ experience during the Holocaust in Poland, and “admonished” when she declined requests at superintendents meetings to take part in the comic book movie-“Wakanda Forever” salute to “black power,”

NYC educator claims she was fired after sharing Holocaust story (nypost.com) (https://nypost.com/2021/02/20/nyc-educator-fired-after-sharing-holocaust-story-refusing-wakanda-salute/)

In both cases, their superiors were demanding that these individuals make a public endorsement of a particular political position that both personally opposed. When they refused they were punished.

Locally there were 2 NYC educators who were fired for not doing the Black Panther salute . One Jewish and the other a Dominican-American who calls herself Afro-Latina. (The salute in the Marvel Movie)I can't help but wonder what possible reason there would be for requiring that people make the Black Panther salute.

black panther or nazi they are the same

black panther or nazi they are the same
Not at all!

The black panther salute is an arms-across-the-chest gesture of solidarity from the 2018 comic-book movie “Black Panther”, showing allegiance to the mythical African nation of Wakanda. And we all know what the Nazi salute looks like.

I'm speaking of the original black panther salute arm raised fist clenched not some comic strip rubbish

Amazing how that stuff takes on a life of it's own . Before the Black Panther salute (aka Wakanda Forever salute) became a thing ;Marvel fans would say to each other 'Hail Hydra' (the organization that resembles the Nazis in the Marvel universe ).But that did not transcend .

The salute was the way Pharaohs were buried . It also is the ASL sign for 'hug' .
I can see where it would become a cultural phenomenon . What I don't understand is why teachers would be disciplined for not giving the salute.

What I don't understand is why teachers would be disciplined for not giving the salute.Especially when you consider that giving the salute is essentially a vote of approval for the Black Panthers.

I bet there is a lot more to this story than being reported.

Good riddance to Carranza — the worst NYC schools chancellor (nypost.com) (https://nypost.com/2021/02/26/good-riddance-to-the-worst-schools-chancellor-in-nyc-history-2/)

Carranza's time in New York has been marked by controversy and conflict (nypost.com) (https://nypost.com/2021/02/26/carranzas-time-in-new-york-has-been-marked-by-controversy-and-conflict/)

nothing odd about it . Carranza has been a disaster . Every mayoral candidate running to replace Sandinista Bill has said they would replace him .

I bet there is a lot more to this story than being reported.

Good riddance to Carranza — the worst NYC schools chancellor (nypost.com) (https://nypost.com/2021/02/26/good-riddance-to-the-worst-schools-chancellor-in-nyc-history-2/)

Carranza's time in New York has been marked by controversy and conflict (nypost.com) (https://nypost.com/2021/02/26/carranzas-time-in-new-york-has-been-marked-by-controversy-and-conflict/)

Thanks for linking these articles. Anybody who has followed Carranza's stint as Chancellor knows that he is a racist nutcase.

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Racist nutcase? The second article clearly portrayed him as a nutcase, but not a racist one. He was a left-wing champion of senseless diversity nutcase, and could only be accused of racism if you considered it to be directed, not against minorities, but against whites. He represented everything the Biden/Harris supporters love. As I have oftentimes noticed, I don't think you guys even bother to read your own links. It's absolutely incredible.


In a letter sent to colleagues, Carranza praised himself for having “worked to undo segregation and turn ‘equity’ from an esoteric concept into a reality for our students.” First, segregation is the illegal, racist barring of ethnic groups from each other. Some New York City schools may not be as diverse as the population in general, but this isn’t segregation.

In his first year, he subjected “principals, central office supervisors and superintendent teams” to ridiculous presentations on white privilege. As Susan Edelman, Selim Algar and Aaron Feis reported at the time, “White employees who object when accused of harboring deep-seated bias are branded ‘fragile’ and ‘defensive,’ one insider who received the training has said.”

Carranza, appointed in 2018 by, unsurprisingly, a liberal dem mayor, was a perfect example of the elite liberal who expects everyone else to follow a different set of rules that do not apply to him/her. Obama sending his kids to a up-scale private school was an example of this. So was Carranza. "Carranza railed often against “screened” schools, ie: schools that consider factors like grades or test scores for admission, yet sent his daughter to such a school in San Francisco. His First Deputy Chancellor also sent her kids to NYC’s screened schools — and even managed to get them in after the application date for these schools had passed."

Liberal dems would do well to clean up their own front yards before having a fit about Trump. The rusted tricycles and empty drink cans are an unsightly mess.

My whole point is that linking individuals and business behavior to this cancel culture meme seems to be another right wing repub campaign strategy. Politics in this never ending election cycle we find ourselves in.

Interesting the CPAC theme this year is America UNcanceled.

Bill Maher, hardly a staunch conservative, shared some interesting insights into this cancel culture mob.


""Real Time" host Bill Maher (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/bill-maher-trump-cpac-2024) closed his show on Friday night by offering a warning to skeptics on the left who don't buy into the existence of "cancel culture.""Liberals need a Stand Your Ground law ... for cancel culture." Maher began the monologue, "so that when the woke mob comes after you for some ridiculous offense, you'll stand your ground, stop apologizing. Because I can't keep up with who's on the s---list."

Maher also accused Republicans of "trying to appropriate" the term in response to "just comeuppance for actual crimes," saying their muddying of the water was "unfortunate" because "cancel culture is real, it's insane, it's growing exponentially, coming to a neighborhood near you."



"If you think it's just for celebrities, no," Maher asserted. "In an era when everyone is online, everyone is a public figure. It's like we're all trapped in 'The Hills Have Eyes... and Wifi.'"

"Is this really who we want to become? A society of phony, clenched-a------ avatars walking on eggshells, always looking over your shoulder about getting ratted out for something that actually has nothing to do with your character or morals?" Maher asked. "Think about everything you've ever texted, emailed, searched for, tweeted, blogged, or said in passing. Or now even just witnessed. 'Someone had a Confederate flag in their dorm room in 1990 and you didn't do anything?' 'You laughed at a Woody Allen movie?'"

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/bill-maher-cancel-culture-gina-carano-chris-harrison

Interesting the CPAC theme this year is America UNcanceled.

The videos and interviews I've seen covering the CPAC has so far been an oddball collection of what should be called the "denial of reality" culture. Ted Cruz, the senator who abandoned his state in a time of crisis, was true to form, screeching about the pandemic with lies so outrageous even his audience should have been repelled.

The era of William Buckley conservatism has disappeared replaced by a group Bill would have been horrified by.

lies so outrageous even his audience should have been repelled.As usual, a broad generalization with no specifics at all.

Interesting the CPAC theme this year is America UNcanceled I'm a trend setter .

The era of William Buckley conservatism has disappeared replaced by a group Bill would have been horrified by. Maybe but Buckley would have been proud to identify with the performance during the pandemic of Fla Guv DeSantis

Maybe but Buckley would have been proud to identify with the performance during the pandemic of Fla Guv DeSantis

Maybe. Maybe not.

DeSantis has been accused of manipulating data, even banning any info about the pandemic from his health office. When a data scientist whistleblower tried to expose him, he sent the police to her house and with drawn guns seized her computers and her records. The warrant was issued by a judge that DeSantis had appointed a month prior.

I wonder if this had anything to do with her arrest?

“Evidence retrieved from a search warrant on December 7 shows that Jones illegally accessed the system sending a message to approximately 1,750 people and downloaded confidential FDOH data and saved it to her device,” a FDLE spokesperson said in a statement."

http://stateofthenation.co/?p=48733

I leave for a few days to move out of the land of il Duce Cuomo and when I'm gone the cancel culture went into meltdown . Dr Seuss ? Mr Potato Head ??? Really ????

Mr. Potato Head is going gender neutral - CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/25/business/mr-potato-head-hasbro-gender-neutral/index.html)

Cancel Culture Comes for Dr. Seuss | Opinion (newsweek.com) (https://www.newsweek.com/cancel-culture-comes-dr-seuss-opinion-1573919)

They have been trying to cancel Mark Twain for years .

There was a time when the left rallied against book banning . Now ??

It's just the flavor of the month. I am hopeful that it will all backfire in the midterm elections.

New Rule: Cancel Culture is Over Party | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO) - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmXTUSP9a9M&t=3s)

Spare me the conflation of this cancel culture meme after four years of right wing canceling everybody who doesn't agree with them. Businesses are just protecting their bottom lines in todays politically correct hyper partisan society where the fringes have hollered about each other and caught the moderates in the middle.

Before I escaped NY I read about a student at SUNY Geneseo had been suspended from mandatory course work he needs to become a teacher . The school has a “remediation plan” in place designed for him IF he takes down certain social media postings he has made . The university says that the student has violated the school’s "inclusivity doctrine" which says that teacher candidates are to foster “a diverse campus community marked by mutual respect for the unique talents and contributions of each individual.”

So what did he do ? Did he join al Qaeda or ISIS ? Did he threaten elected leaders ? Did he riot/ commit arson /assault anyone in Portland; or any of the other cities that had mostly peaceful protests ? Nah ,

What he did write on social media was that ‘I do not recognize the gender that they claim to be if they are not biologically that gender’.

Heinous !!! For that the student is cancelled ! So much for universities being the bastions for free thinkers .

University President Denise Battles wrote in an email

“There are clear legal limitations to what a public university can do in response to objectionable speech,”. “As a result, there are few tools at our disposal to reduce the pain that such speech may cause.”

Reduce the pain ? Are universities now safe houses ? Yeah there is few tools you can use to suspend free speech ;or there used to be .

It's like being raised on the earth and then moving to Mars.

What he did write on social media was that ‘I do not recognize the gender that they claim to be if they are not biologically that gender’.

Heinous !!! For that the student is cancelled ! So much for universities being the bastions for free thinkers .
It has nothing to do with free thinking. It's science! We (humans, animals, insects, plants) are not strictly binary. Between male and female, there are many, many variations.

In fact, "the gender spectrum is an understanding that gender is not binary (female/male), but rather a spectrum of biological, mental and emotional traits that exist along a continuum. In contrast, the gender binary--also called gender binarism or genderism—is a belief that gender is composed of two distinct and opposite genders (female and male) in which there is not overlap."
https://cadehildreth.com/gender-spectrum/

It has nothing to do with free thinking. It's science! We (humans, animals, insects, plants) are not strictly binary. Between male and female, there are many, many variations.There is nothing in science to support that. It is strictly a belief.

This is the funniest comment on your link. "On average, males do have penises, and on average, females do have vaginas." On average? By "on average", do they mean something like 99.99% of the time? Is that what passes for "on average" now?

And this is the second funniest. "On average, males tend to have XY chromosomes and females tend to have XX chromosomes." You mean, again, like 99.99% of the time.

There was not a shred of science in that article to show that there are many genders aside from male/female. ALL of the exceptions they showed are well known genetic disorders.

There is nothing in science to support that. It is strictly a belief.
Nope. It's pure science.

There was not a shred of science in that article to show that there are many genders aside from male/female. ALL of the exceptions they showed are well known genetic disorders.
Take off your blinders and read with your honesty glasses. Today's news: Guiliani's daughter is pansexual. Guess I'll post an article on what happens to fetuses and their chromosomes.

Before I escaped NY I read about a student at SUNY Geneseo had been suspended from mandatory course work he needs to become a teacher . The school has a “remediation plan” in place designed for him IF he takes down certain social media postings he has made . The university says that the student has violated the school’s "inclusivity doctrine" which says that teacher candidates are to foster “a diverse campus community marked by mutual respect for the unique talents and contributions of each individual.”

So what did he do ? Did he join al Qaeda or ISIS ? Did he threaten elected leaders ? Did he riot/ commit arson /assault anyone in Portland; or any of the other cities that had mostly peaceful protests ? Nah ,

What he did write on social media was that ‘I do not recognize the gender that they claim to be if they are not biologically that gender’.

Heinous !!! For that the student is cancelled ! So much for universities being the bastions for free thinkers .

University President Denise Battles wrote in an email

“There are clear legal limitations to what a public university can do in response to objectionable speech,”. “As a result, there are few tools at our disposal to reduce the pain that such speech may cause.”

Reduce the pain ? Are universities now safe houses ? Yeah there is few tools you can use to suspend free speech ;or there used to be .

Has nothing to do with dems so take it up with the ones that did it. Meantime as you raise money on this cancel culture war lets cancel the big lie about voter fraud and election stealing, and the renewed voter suppression rules the red state boys are perpetrating AGAIN.

Let's cancel poverty and inequity while you're at it.

The libs pay nothing but lip service to poverty and inequity . Then they say 'at least we tried '........while using other people's money .

the left uses so called "diversity" to advance their agenda collecting up individuals who don't fit in, they are the party of the misfits

Nope. It's pure science.Except, of course, that you have no science to back it up. So yeah, it's just a belief.


Take off your blinders and read with your honesty glasses. Today's news: Guiliani's daughter is pansexual. Guess I'll post an article on what happens to fetuses and their chromosomes.Yes, I'm sure you will, just like you were going to give us the scientific evidence for those "broken chromosomes" you were so excited about a few weeks ago. Except, of course, that there is not a shred of evidence linking genetics to the transgender situation. There is no science to back up "pansexual", either. It's just the latest liberal fad, and you are gullible enough to run after them whenever they come around. So if you ever come up with anything in the SCIENTIFIC LITERATURE to back this stuff up, then feel free to post it. Note: "LGBT to the Highest" is not in the scientific literature. You are precisely where Romans 1 says you will be.


Then they say 'at least we tried '........while using other people's money .Exactly correct. It's the equivalent of A and B caring so much for C that they are willing to force D to give C some money, and then claim to be of high moral standing for doing so.

It has nothing to do with free thinking. It's science! We (humans, animals, insects, plants) are not strictly binary. Between male and female, there are many, many variations.

In fact, "the gender spectrum is an understanding that gender is not binary (female/male), but rather a spectrum of biological, mental and emotional traits that exist along a continuum. In contrast, the gender binary--also called gender binarism or genderism—is a belief that gender is composed of two distinct and opposite genders (female and male) in which there is not overlap."
https://cadehildreth.com/gender-spectrum/










You cannot expect the non science group to embrace that which destroys their belief in the world they are comfortable with WG. I mean their heads are still exploding over gay marriage, minority voters, and climate change.

You cannot expect the non science group to embrace that which destroys their belief in the world they are comfortable with WG. I mean their heads are still exploding over gay marriage, minority voters, and climate change.
...and accepting POC as equals and as vital parts of society -- now on tv sitcoms and drama shows, in many ads on tv and in newspspers and magazines, as healthcare/education/political professionals. As Dr. Seuss titled his last children's book to be published, "Oh, the places [we'll] go!"

Just waiting to see all that science from the “science group”. In fact I’d like to see ANY science at all. Of course you might want to learn some science first. For instance, “it’s true cause I say so” is not actually science. Just sayin.

science, the art of repeating an observation and concocting a theory based on that observation

Fraid not. You left off a step.

Just waiting to see all that science from the “science group”.
First, you have to understand these two terms: sex and gender.
"The difference between sex and gender is that sex is a biological concept based on biological characteristics such as difference in genitalia in male and female. Gender, on the other hand, primarily deals with personal, societal and cultural perceptions of sexuality."

Males and females both possess 46 chromosomes, as well as two sex chromosomes. Females have two X chromosomes, whereas males possess 1 X chromosome and 1 Y chromosome.

Some women are born with a Y (male) chromosome, and men can have 2 or even 3 X (female) chromosomes. Intersex humans have sexual characteristics of both men and women. An estrogen drug, DES, was given to pregnant women from the '30s into the '70s in order to prevent miscarriage. Guess what happened when male-appearing babies were born!

What is your source?

Your definition of "gender" is a purely theoretical construct. Do you have any idea where that "definition" came from?


Some women are born with a Y (male) chromosome, and men can have 2 or even 3 X (female) chromosomes. Intersex humans have sexual characteristics of both men and women. An estrogen drug, DES, was given to pregnant women from the '30s into the '70s in order to prevent miscarriage. Guess what happened when male-appearing babies were born!Those are all well known genetic disorders. I studied some of them in college nearly 50 years ago. They have nothing to do with this insanity. These are the "genders" recognized in New York.

Bi-gendered
Cross-dresser
Drag King
Drag Queen
Femme Queen
Female-to-Male
FTM
Gender Bender
Genderqueer
Male-to-Female
MTF
Non-Op
HIJRA
Pangender
Transexual/Transsexual
Trans Person
Woman
Man
Butch
Two-Spirit
Trans
Agender
Third Sex
Gender Fluid
Non-Binary Transgender
Androgyne
Gender Gifted
Gender Blender
Femme
Person of Transgender Experience
Androgynous

There appears to be much on the subject if not settled science.

Between the (Gender) Lines: the Science of Transgender Identity - Science in the News (harvard.edu) (https://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2016/gender-lines-science-transgender-identity/)

A sex difference in the hypothalamic uncinate nucleus: relationship to gender identity - PubMed (nih.gov) (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18980961/)

Everybody is entitled to their own beliefs...with or without evidence.

Everybody is entitled to their own beliefs...with or without evidence.

so much for science which suggests that the science is settled and there can only be one belief

Everyone is entitled to their own PERSONAL beliefs. I would agree with that, but when you start trying to impose those beliefs on the rest of us, you need more than simple belief.

so much for science which suggests that the science is settled and there can only be one belief
No, science suggests possibilities to explore until it is settled. You are free to believe whatever you choose!

Both can't be updated with new data.

everything can be updated with new data

Clete, did the big quake near NZ affect you guys any?

No, science suggests possibilities to explore until it is settled. You are free to believe whatever you choose!

Both can't be updated with new data.
Oops! Meant to type CAN be! Fat fingers me.

Clete, did the big quake near NZ affect you guys any?

There might have been some one foot waves at Norfolk Island. New Zealand is to far away and would deflect any Tsunami and the Kermadec Islands another 1,000 KM. One of my friends in NZ was woken by it. Thanks for your concern

I somehow thought NZ was closer to you.

NZ is about 1,500 miles from where I live. We are a long way from anywhere here

California has proposed a bill to ban boys and girls sections in toy and clothing stores to create a “safe space” for children.They want to fine retailers $1,000 for using the words “boy” and girl”

You can always count on Cally.

They want to fine retailers $1,000 for using the words “boy” and girl”
Good! I loved playing cowboy with my younger brother, playing with his cars and trucks, building a treehouse with his tools and, in the winter, a ski jump with him, building a ranch out of his Lincoln Logs and his farm set -- plus I wore his pants and t-shirts at home. Toys are toys. He played with me with my dolls and stuffed animals and tea set.

sounds like a large number of leftists dills with gender issues live in California. They must have a serious identity crisis. This is what comes of recognising gays

This is what comes of recognising gaysExactly correct. When two men having sex is considered to be normal, then you open the gates to all sorts of craziness.

sounds like a large number of leftists dills with gender issues live in California. They must have a serious identity crisis. This is what comes of recognising gays
Gays are people too! No more no less than you!


Exactly correct. When two men having sex is considered to be normal, then you open the gates to all sorts of craziness.
None of your business.

Tal the suburb leftist any thing goes keep them far away from me

Tal the suburb leftist any thing goes keep them far away from me
Too late! They're all around us, have been all around us for millennia. You'd be shocked to find out who. In fact, I (cis-het) just finished Facebook messaging with one of my T-girl friends.

I am not shocked I just wish to have no association with them

I am not shocked I just wish to have no association with them
They're people just like you and me -- have jobs and take vacations and grocery shop and walk their dogs and wash their laundry. You're among them and don't have a clue. I didn't either. Now some are my very good friends. And others I was/am related to but didn't know until years later.

yes I know there are a lot of limp wristed individuals about, fortunately there are not as many here as there are there and we would like to export them all

https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/partygoers-kick-on-after-sydneys-mardi-gras-parade/news-story/1a45a1cfe8ce7f2d82d0b48a1bf0f646

these sorts of displays in our streets I don't need

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/crime/shocking-footage-captures-moment-teenage-girls-allegedly-viciously-assaulted-in-sydney/news-story/50522f67a3391d3031e7ffb8f72cce73

Tal the suburb leftist any thing goes keep them far away from me

Just mind your own business and you will be fine.

It is one thing to treat gay people with kindness and respect. It is entirely different to teach young school children that "Adam and Steve" are perfectly normal.

No human is perfectly normal, many are DIFFERENT.

I beginning to understand you are different Tal, your views are very "liberal"

It is one thing to treat gay people with kindness and respect. It is entirely different to teach young school children that "Adam and Steve" are perfectly normal.
Humans, animals, and plants are no longer binary as created. Lions, tigers, and bears used to eat grasses and fruit. Now what do they eat? Did God's perfect creation have destructive hurricanes, floods, and tornados?

Humans, animals, and plants are no longer binary as created. Lions, tigers, and bears used to eat grasses and fruit. Now what do they eat? Did God's perfect creation have destructive hurricanes, floods, and tornados?

We know that this world is the result of the fall, doesn't mean we have to go with the degeneration that that engenders. God didn't create gays they are the result of the fall when woman decided she wanted to be equal with God

We know that this world is the result of the fall

God's plan included the fall.

If it didn't, then God's plan was not perfect. If it did, then all the resulting changes are part of Gpd's perfect plan.

Humans, animals, and plants are no longer binary as created. Lions, tigers, and bears used to eat grasses and fruit.Thought you were not a literalist.

God's plan included the fall.

If it didn't, then God's plan was not perfect. If it did, then all the resulting changes are part of God's perfect plan.

So God is to blame for Eve's choice and Adam's weakness, what a cop out, it is all God's fault. That is the sort of thinking that licenses everything

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Athos

God's plan included the fall.

If it didn't, then God's plan was not perfect. If it did, then all the resulting changes are part of God's perfect plan.


So God is to blame for Eve's choice and Adam's weakness, what a cop out, it is all God's fault. That is the sort of thinking that licenses everything


Well, which is it. Is God's plan perfect, or not perfect? It has to be one or the other.

Thought you were not a literalist.
I was playing a tune on your piano, a tune I hoped you'd recognize.

We know that this world is the result of the fall, doesn't mean we have to go with the degeneration that that engenders. God didn't create gays they are the result of the fall when woman decided she wanted to be equal with God
And yes, "we have to go with the degeneration that that engenders" -- babies born with cleft palates, missing limbs, Down's syndrome, cerebral palsy, autism; medical problems that occur as we age -- macular degeneration, chronic back and neck pain, cancer, heart problems, COPD; natural disasters that kill living things, and change the face of the earth. And yes, the binary was opened up to countless possibilites -- e.g., lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, intersex, questioning, asexual, enby -- humans whom God loves and cares about, and asks us to love and care about too.

Well, which is it. Is God's plan perfect, or not perfect? It has to be one or the other.
As you said earlier, God is omniscient, so....

That's why I believe Genesis 3 is an allegory, a simple story that we have told through the millennia, a story that reveals a larger truth.

So God's Word can be watered down into allegory?

So God's Word can be watered down into allegory?
Not watered down. He used poems and parables and letters and history and genealogy and people's personal stories -- and allegories -- to tell us about His love for us.

and so you don't believe it has deeper meaning and is more than allegory

and so you don't believe it has deeper meaning and is more than allegory
It's an allegory with a very deep meaning plus lessons for all of us.

I prefer to believe it is more than allegory

I prefer to believe it is more than allegory
The meaning and lessons are the same either way.

no if I treat it as allegory I am free to disregard it

no if I treat it as allegory I am free to disregard it
You feel free to disregard proverbs and the many other lessons in the Bible? If it isn't literally true, if it didn't really happen, it's garbage?

The meaning and lessons are the same either way.That's not true. We all know that you can't possibly get the "meaning and lessons" you hold from a literal view of the Bible. That's why you fight against it so hard.

That's not true. We all know that you can't possibly get the "meaning and lessons" you hold from a literal view of the Bible. That's why you fight against it so hard.
What meaning and lessons do you get from Noah's story that I don't get?

You feel free to disregard proverbs and the many other lessons in the Bible? If it isn't literally true, if it didn't really happen, it's garbage?

That's my point, I believe it happened

I kid you not .Today's black lister is the Looney Tunes cartoon character Pepe Le Pew .He got cancelled from the new 'Space Jam 2' movie due to repeated attempts to seduce Penelope Pussycat, a black cat who gets a white stripe making Pepe think she is a skunk. His attempts were unwanted and aggressive. Warner Bros. no longer want Pepe representing the company .
Pepe Le Pew Won’t Be Appearing In Warner Bros’ ‘Space Jam’ Sequel: Here’s Why – Deadline (https://deadline.com/2021/03/pepe-le-pew-space-jam-2-new-york-times-rape-culture-controversy-1234708688/)

ah the good old days

repeated attempts to seduce Penelope PussycatAnd of course the name of the female cat is strictly a coincidence.


What meaning and lessons do you get from Noah's story that I don't get?That God, though patient and long-suffering, will judge wickedness and yet is faithful to preserve and care for the righteous. Only a non-literal approach allows a person to "divert" around what is clearly the primary lesson to be learned from the story.

And yes, the binary was opened up to countless possibilites -- e.g., lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, intersex, questioning, asexual, enby -- humans whom God loves and cares about, and asks us to love and care about too. And how about the thieves, rapists, liars, child-abusers, genocidal maniacs, racists, wife beaters, and others of the "countless possibilites" we find after Gen. 3? Are we to approve of their behaviors and consider them to be normal as you do with homosexuals and TG people, or does loving and caring about people include warning them that God disapproves of their lifestyle? In fact, how could we be caring and loving when we don't give them that warning?


the binary was opened up to countless possibilites And again, that is strictly conjecture. There is nothing in the Bible to lead anyone to the conclusion that there are more than two genders. If there was, it would have been posted long ago.

And again, that is strictly conjecture. There is nothing in the Bible to lead anyone to the conclusion that there are more than two genders. If there was, it would have been posted long ago.
Do a bit of googling and open-minded Bible reading to learn that David and Johnathan very probably filled this bill, as did Ruth and Naomi.


That God, though patient and long-suffering, will judge wickedness and yet is faithful to preserve and care for the righteous. Only a non-literal approach allows a person to "divert" around what is clearly the primary lesson to be learned from the story.
Thus, what meaning and lessons do you imagine non-literalists get from the Flood story?

...or does loving and caring about people include warning them that God disapproves of their lifestyle? In fact, how could we be caring and loving when we don't give them that warning?
Being LGBT etc. isn't a "lifestyle" -- it's who they are, down to their core. They don't wake up one morning after a restful night's sleep and declare, "I'm going to be a lesbian for a few months."

Most people are right-handed. Being a left-handed person in this right-handed world isn’t easy. Is being left-handed a lifestyle choice?

There is nothing in the Bible to lead anyone to the conclusion that there are more than two genders. If there was, it would have been posted long ago.

There are many things ancient man was unaware of, or had yet to discover, or understand.

I would never suggest that anyone, when asked for evidence, reply with, "Google it." It is the ultimate non-thinking, foolish-appearing, answer which makes it fairly obvious that the person does not have a clue.

Evidence for David/Jonathan engaging in sex is non-existent. Contrary evidence?
1. Jonathan was married to a woman and fathered several children.
2. David was married to several women and fathered many children.
3. David's great sin was an adulterous affair with a beautiful woman.

The nauseating suggestion about Ruth and Naomi also has not one ounce of supporting evidence. However, we do read that Naomi was married and had three sons. We also read that Ruth married TWICE, both times to men, and bore children. Her relationship with Boaz is actually the primary element of the Book of Ruth.

When do these responses of yours become embarrassing to you?

There is no evidence at all that gay people are born that way. I would agree that many of them did not choose to have those attractions, just like many child molesters do not choose to have their attractions, nor do those who like having sex with animals. Having an attraction does not make it normal or desirable.

Your question about being left handed is simply foolish. It is not at all a moral concern and there is not a whisper about it being a sin in the Bible.

I would never suggest that anyone, when asked for evidence, reply with, "Google it."
You refuse to read posted links that we google, so do your own googling WITH useful and helpful keywords.

There is no evidence at all that gay people are born that way.
Of course there is! Let me connect you with a few of my LGBT+ friends.

Your question about being left handed is simply foolish. It is not at all a moral concern and there is not a whisper about it being a sin in the Bible.
Now I KNOW you don't read responses and understand them!

Your question about being left handed is simply foolish.
Ah, so you chose to be righthanded!

You refuse to read posted links, that we goigle, so do your own googling WITH useful and helpful keywords.

Of course there is! Let me connect you with a few of my LGBT friends."Goigle?' At any rate, do you not know ANYTHING AT ALL? It is always, "Oh, I'll put you in touch with someone else or prompt you to do a Google search." Rather than a link, why not just explain what you know to be evidence? Put it in your own words. Just be prepared to defend it. If you know of scriptures that support your ideas about Jonathan/David or Naomi/Ruth, then simply post them. Think for yourself.


Now I KNOW you don't read responses and understand them!Yet another content-free, information-free response. It really never gets embarrassing? Really? I would think it would.

It really never gets embarrassing? Really? I would think it would.
I'm permanently finished with you. You have absolutely NO interest in discussing, but just want to toss out nastiness and putdowns.

Your choice. I’m not sure what you are after. I’m not going to accept your strange ideas without supporting evidence and you seem to get angry if I point out that you don’t have any.

children, please stop the argy bargy

Clete, I'll accept your correction. Honestly, I don't know what she wants. Her claims are very strange and completely unsupported, so I don't know how to respond to them. I'm sure I come across as somewhat rude and that is on me. It does frustrate me.

JL, this is what comes of a liberal reading of the Bible, meanings are distorted, if it is all allegory then you can interpret it however you want and see darkness everywhere. She says on the one hand it is a message of God's love and on the other she dismisses the most basic tenets. God either created man and woman or he did not and created infinite diversity in humans. You can't have it both ways but WG thinks you can.

JL, this is what comes of a liberal reading of the Bible, meanings are distorted, if it is all allegory then you can interpret it however you want and see darkness everywhere. She says on the one hand it is a message of God's love and on the other she dismisses the most basic tenets. God either created man and woman or he did not and created infinite diversity in humans. You can't have it both ways but WG thinks you can.
No, 'clete, it's not all allegory. Yes, it is a message of God's love in creating us, and no darkness. There IS great diversity in His human creatures (to begin with, are you righthanded or lefthanded, short or tall, lightskinned or a person of color?). Yes, we are infinitely diverse.

God either created man and woman or he did not and created infinite diversity in humans. You can't have it both ways but WG thinks you can.Pretty well stated.


There IS great diversity in His human creatures (to begin with, are you righthanded or lefthanded, short or tall, lightskinned or a person of color?). Yes, we are infinitely diverse.And here is the crux of the problem. She takes a basically true statement about diversity of physical features and turns it into an excuse for sin. So it would certainly stand to reason that child abusers, wife beaters, dictators, racists, insane people, crippling birth defects, and all sorts of other tragic problems, including same sex attraction and gender confusion, are merely expressions of God's wonderful diversity. "Wow" is all I know to say about that idea. It's just incredible.

I actually think it is dispicible, it denies God's basic plan

Everyone is free to their opinion, but when a person claims to represent God, then that is a totally different matter.

Opinion doesn't override God's word, In genesis God told Adam and Eve to multiply and rule the world, homosexuals cannot multiply

I can agree with that. I obviously don’t do well in communicating with WG. That’s unfortunate.

Opinion doesn't override God's word, In genesis God told Adam and Eve to multiply and rule the world, homosexuals cannot multiply
Homosexual couples adopt the babies that weren't aborted and that are up for adoption. My SIL and her partner did exactly that.

And Eve's desire for knowledge overrode God's good intentions.

My SIL and her partnerPossibly explains some things. And I don’t mean that in a mean way.


And Eve's desire for knowledge overrode God's good intentions.Eve's desire was not for knowledge.

Possibly explains some things. And I don’t mean that in a mean way
Her being a lesbian was a well-kept family secret. I finally figured it out years later, but never had an issue with it. She's the nicest and smartest of the three sisters and had a wonderful career in healthcare.

Eve's desire was not for knowledge.
The Tree of KNOWLEDGE of Good and Evil???

Homosexual couples adopt the babies that weren't aborted and that are up for adoption. My SIL and her partner did exactly that.

And Eve's desire for knowledge overrode God's good intentions.

Yes the knowitall was more powerful than God is that your take on Genesis

Yes the knowitall was more powerful than God is that your take on Genesis
Not more powerful, just sneakier.

No when Eve ate of the fruit she knew good and evil her act in giving it to Adam was pure evil

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Disney again makes the list ... They had previously put warning labels on some of their content . Now they removing content from children profile due to some of their classic cartoons and movies having negative depictions and stereotypes. Included in Disney's black list are “Dumbo,” “Peter Pan,” “The Aristocats” and “Swiss Family Robinson” .

So far adults can still watch these Disney classics with the content warning that reads : “This program includes negative depictions and/or mistreatment of people or cultures. These stereotypes were wrong then and are wrong now. Rather than remove this content, we want to acknowledge its harmful impact, learn from it and spark conversation to create a more inclusive future together.”

But if the content is so negative ,why not just cancel it ?

Dumbo ? The crows sing a song that pays homage to minstrel shows


Peter Pan ? The children dress like Indians

Swiss Family Robinson? The pirates look like "stereotypical foreign menace. "

The Aristocats ? The Siamese cats is depicted as a racist caricature of East Asian peoples with exaggerated stereotypical traits such as slanted eyes and buck teeth. He sings in poorly accented English voiced by a white actor and plays the piano with chopsticks.”

yes money speaks all languages

The Tree of KNOWLEDGE of Good and Evil???"6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise..."

You seem to be trying to make Eve's actions appear noble, but there is nothing noble about disobedience. There was much more to it than merely seeking for knowledge. God would have told her anything she wanted to know. No, Eve's primary motive was independence. She could do as she pleased and not be concerned about what God said. It's the same motive that leads to gay marriage. Rebellion. Once the devil convinced her that there would be no consequences to disobedience, then it became clear that she did not love God, for to love God is to be obedient regardless of consequences.

Disney again makes the listI can sympathize with their response on this one, or at least can see the point in it all. They put a warning on the films. Adults can still play them for their children, so they are still available. It seems like a reasonable response. Some of it seems silly such as the children in Peter Pan dressing like indians, but some is more serious. I'm glad I'm not the one having to deal with it.

In the meantime, Louis Farrakhan is posting on Facebook and Twitter that the Covid vaccine is "the vial of death". His posts are allowed and the Facebook censors do nothing, of course. It is a very subtle and yet effective form of racism. Certain people can avoid the blacklist.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9335699/Louis-Farrakhans-vial-death-vaccine-claims-remain-Twitter-despite-misinformation-policies.html

Disney again makes the list ... They had previously put warning labels on some of their content . Now they removing content from children profile due to some of their classic cartoons and movies having negative depictions and stereotypes. Included in Disney's black list are “Dumbo,” “Peter Pan,” “The Aristocats” and “Swiss Family Robinson” .

So far adults can still watch these Disney classics with the content warning that reads : “This program includes negative depictions and/or mistreatment of people or cultures. These stereotypes were wrong then and are wrong now. Rather than remove this content, we want to acknowledge its harmful impact, learn from it and spark conversation to create a more inclusive future together.”

But if the content is so negative ,why not just cancel it ?

Dumbo ? The crows sing a song that pays homage to minstrel shows


Peter Pan ? The children dress like Indians

Swiss Family Robinson? The pirates look like "stereotypical foreign menace. "

The Aristocats ? The Siamese cats is depicted as a racist caricature of East Asian peoples with exaggerated stereotypical traits such as slanted eyes and buck teeth. He sings in poorly accented English voiced by a white actor and plays the piano with chopsticks.”

Capitalism 101-Make money and market a good image to keep making money.

PS

I wish the true believers would stick to their own threads and stop hijacking politics.

I wish the true believers would stick to their own threads and stop hijacking politics.

Lol. You're right, tal. I've been guilty of it myself.

Arguing with a Bible literalist or a fundamentalist is the road to nowhere. Not easy to have a fruitful discussion with a fantasist or someone who believes in talking reptiles and similar nonsense.

I don't think the hijacking is intentional. It's just that these discussions can go far afield. I've tried to move them to Religion or Christianity, but rarely successfully.

(PS - Current Events, not politics, is the thread).

They made real good money on the movies before the cancel culture crowd . Yeah they are taking the path of least resistance . That is just smart . The cancel culture stifles free expression and thought ..something the left used to champion. Can anyone imagine Mel Brooks making 'Blazing Saddles ' or 'The Producers ' today ? The movies were made specifically to mock ,ridicule ,and satirize the stereotypes in them .

As for true believers ;you can count me in . However ,I have no desire ;and am not qualified to debate how many angels fit on the head of a pin.

I have no desire ;and am not qualified to debate how many angels fit on the head of a pin.

Just wait around, someone will come up with an answer supported by Bible passages.

They made real good money on the movies before the cancel culture crowd . Yeah they are taking the path of least resistance . That is just smart . The cancel culture stifles free expression and thought ..something the left used to champion. Can anyone imagine Mel Brooks making 'Blazing Saddles ' or 'The Producers ' today ? The movies were made specifically to mock ,ridicule ,and satirize the stereotypes in them .

It use to be cool and profitable to denigrate and offend just as it was to cancel the slaves past and whip rape pillage and plunder. To appease the south in 1871 the deal was struck to allow the black rules to get a president. Haven't we evolved past that crap yet?


As for true believers ;you can count me in . However ,I have no desire ;and am not qualified to debate how many angels fit on the head of a pin.

I'm a true believer in that sense, and God can put as many angels as he want on the head of a pin...duh...end of argument.


Just wait around, someone will come up with an answer supported by Bible passages.

True that and the argument begins anew.


(PS - Current Events, not politics, is the thread).

I screwed up again? Imagine that, but the intent of ancient man still is a bad fit except for some. I get the emotional attachment though and understand fringers and trolls as well as anybody.

It use to be cool and profitable to denigrate and offend just as it was to cancel the slaves past and whip rape pillage and plunder. To appease the south in 1871 the deal was struck to allow the black rules to get a president. Haven't we evolved past that crap yet? No ,what you are doing is purging history . History is all the good ,the bad ,the ugly. What is happening is the cancel of one ugly and replacing it with a reign of terror . The bad idea the ugly idea needs to be exposed and defeated with argument and persuasion .... not by burying it and pretending it did not exist . That was a sensible argument the left made not that long ago. Now the free thought crowd is getting pummeled by the modern day Jacobins and are too intimidated to speak out . Few of the authors of this open letter written less than a year ago would dare challenge the cancel culture

A Letter on Justice and Open Debate | Harper's Magazine (https://harpers.org/a-letter-on-justice-and-open-debate/)

And that is the real reason Disney caved to the mob.

someone will come up with an answer supported by Bible passages.You mean as opposed to having no Bible support and only a fake quote from Aquinas?


They made real good money on the movies before the cancel culture crowd . Yeah they are taking the path of least resistance . That is just smart . The cancel culture stifles free expression and thought ..something the left used to champion. Can anyone imagine Mel Brooks making 'Blazing Saddles ' or 'The Producers ' today ? The movies were made specifically to mock ,ridicule ,and satirize the stereotypes in them .It's one thing for a company to censor their own material. It is entirely different to persecute a person for his or her personal beliefs, and especially when those beliefs are merely in opposition to liberal orthodoxy. It is the latter that we must stand against. The firing of Chris Harrison is a perfect example of where that lunacy takes us.

As for Confederate statues, I don't really care if a locality decides, in a lawful fashion, to remove a statue. It just bothers me when people act as though that really accomplishes something. It does not. There are just as many poor people as there were prior to the statue's removal. If we really want to make some progress, we'll start working on out of wedlock births and low performing schools. I will not hold my breath in either case.

The Harper's article was pretty good. I was surprised to see Gloria Steinem signed onto that. The opening two or three lines were the obligatory rear-end kiss to the liberal dems and BLM. Hopefully they will see the error in this thinking soon. "Our cultural institutions are facing a moment of trial. Powerful protests for racial and social justice are leading to overdue demands for police reform, along with wider calls for greater equality and inclusion across our society, not least in higher education, journalism, philanthropy, and the arts."

It is entirely different to persecute a person for his or her personal beliefs, and especially when those beliefs are merely in opposition to liberal orthodoxy.
It is entirely different to verbally persecute a person for his or her personal beliefs, and especially when those beliefs are merely in opposition to his literal orthodoxy.

so now discussion is persecution, if you don't want an alternative view then avoid discussion, I remember when it was not polite to discuss religion or politics

It is entirely different to verbally persecute a person for his or her personal beliefs, and especially when those beliefs are merely in opposition to his literal orthodoxy.I don't feel at all persecuted.


so now discussion is persecution,Getting fired or demoted is persecution.


if you don't want an alternative view then avoid discussion,Agree completely. People just need to be prepared to rationally defend their positions. "Believe this cause I say so," is not a rational defense. "Google it," is not a rational defense. "Oh! Those 24 Bible verses you used are just cherry picking," is not a rational defense.

You mean as opposed to having no Bible support and only a fake quote from Aquinas?

Unlike you, I don't interpret a book that offers a fable with talking reptiles as literal. Also unlike you, I don't offer the Bible as the be-all and end-all for every discussion under the sun. You have chosen to be in a land of fantasy, and that is your right. The rest of us require reality.

My quote from Aquinas was not fake. I have now explained it to you at least 4 times. It is pointless to keep explaining to one who has the understanding of a child. When you get over your belief in talking reptiles, I'll be glad to renew discussion on any topic. Until then, I have to again consign you to your room.


Those 24 Bible verses you used are just cherry picking," is not a rational defense.

But talking reptiles ARE?

My quote from Aquinas was not fake. I have now explained it to you at least 4 times. Your quote of Aquinas was literally cut off in mid-sentence. Your explanation is unsupported and unpersuasive. That's why I consider it to be just so much nonsense. You were simply surprised when someone actually checked out your quote and found it to be an outrageous example of truncating a quote in order to create a false impression.


Unlike you, I don't interpret a book that offers a fable with talking reptiles as literal.That's fine and I understand your position. That must explain why you NEVER use a passage as support for a belief. You simply think your own preconceived ideas trump the words of the Bible.


I'll be glad to renew discussion on any topic.I don't believe I have ever asked you to engage in any discussion. Sit it out if you want to. It makes no difference to me.

oH yee of little faith, if you had the faith as big as a mustard seed you could move mountains

if you had the faith as big as a mustard seed you could move mountainsNot actually what it says.

I paraphrase, but It is more than allegory, allegory can't move mountains

That I agree with.

I paraphrase, but It is more than allegory, allegory can't move mountains
It's hyperbole. Now, tell me why it's so effective.

Yes that is the question, as I said faith can move mountains

Yes that is the question, as I said faith can move mountains
Not literally. Now, tell us what that verse means.

It compares the faith we need to do great things for God to a mustard seed. It cannot speak of the amount of faith since, in the same passage, Jesus tells His disciples that they could not cast out a demon because of the "littleness" of their faith. So it must mean that, just as a mustard seed grows into something much larger, so genuine faith, if nurtured and cared for, will also grow large.

That's my take on it.

It compares the faith we need to do great things for God to a mustard seed.
Taking a page from your playbook, why do "we need to do great things for God to a mustard seed"? Hold on while I diagram that sentence....

This was the sentence. Stop being dishonest by only pasting part of it. If you can't diagram it, then that's your problem, but don't be dishonest.

"It compares the faith we need to do great things for God to a mustard seed."

This was the sentence. Stop being dishonest by only pasting part of it. If you can't diagram it, then that's your problem.

"It compares the faith we need to do great things for God to a mustard seed."
Same problem. Misplaced modifier (the prepositional phrase that begins with "to").

Whatever. You were dishonest and won't even own up to it. Shame.

Anyone with an IQ of 80 or better could easily understand it. I'm sure that includes you.

Whatever. You were dishonest and won't even own up to it. Shame.

Anyone with an IQ of 80 or better could easily understand it. I'm sure that includes you.
My son burst out laughing when I read it to him. "Why do we need to do great things to a mustard seed???" You may have to stay in at recess and rewrite this.

Did he laugh about his mom being dishonest? I suspect not. I'm sure you didn't bother to mention it, did you? Should we change your name to "DishonestGirl"?

"Why do we need to do great things to a mustard seed?" Teach your son to listen and think, but try it yourself, first. It's a ridiculous understanding of the sentence.

"Why do we need to do great things to a mustard seed?" Teach your son to listen and think, but try it yourself, first. It's a ridiculous understanding of the sentence.
And you were a teacher....

And an honest one.

Who let you out of your room?


Your quote of Aquinas was literally cut off in mid-sentence. Your explanation is unsupported and unpersuasive.

That's always been obvious that you don't accept the answer. I have to smile at someone who claims answers are unsupported and unpersuasive. This is coming from someone who believes in talking reptiles.


That's why I consider it to be just so much nonsense.

Like talking reptiles nonsense? '


That must explain why you NEVER use a passage as support for a belief.

I have used Bible passages many times to explain or defend a position. You know that, yet you claim differently. So many instances of your saying things like that is why you have so little credibility here.


You simply think your own preconceived ideas trump the words of the Bible.

Any ideas I propose are never pre-conceived. They are the result of reading, study, discussion, learning (formal/informal), honest thought, and others - as all my ideas are.


I don't believe I have ever asked you to engage in any discussion. Sit it out if you want to. It makes no difference to me.

Apparently it makes a huge amount of difference to you. How else to explain your constant repeated attempts to engage me in various topics? So intense that some questions have been repeated to the point of annoyance to other members here.

The best explanation I can rely on for your hate-filled behavior is ADS. Athos Derangement Syndrome.

Back to your room now.

I have used Bible passages many times to explain or defend a position.Where? Remember my as yet unanswered question? "Where did Jesus ever say that there would be no day of judgment," and how you wrongly said it was affirming a negative, and yet even when corrected, never could bring yourself to answer it?


Apparently it makes a huge amount of difference to you. How else to explain your constant repeated attempts to engage me in various topics? So intense that some questions have been repeated to the point of annoyance to other members here.If you'll remember, you had me blocked at one time. You decided to undo that and resume the discussion. It's fine with me one way or the other, but don't suggest I try to "engage you" in various topics. Get out or get in, but stop whining about it.

You've been mad since I called you on the Aquinas deception. I'd suggest you admit to it, get over it and move on.

Where? Remember my as yet unanswered question? "Where did Jesus ever say that there would be no day of judgment," and how you wrongly said it was affirming a negative, and yet even when corrected, never could bring yourself to answer it?

What I said was you cannot prove a negative. You still don't understand it after all this time. Sometimes I wonder why I bother with you at all.


If you'll remember, you had me blocked at one time. You decided to undo that and resume the discussion.

I have always ignored you since I started to and continue to do so. Every so often, I look at your posts and decide to jump in. I do this when you get out of control with your egregious posts. It's like chasing a rat back into its hole. That's not literal - it's a figure of speech called a simile.


don't suggest I try to "engage you" in various topics.

It's not a suggestion, it's a fact.


You've been mad since I called you on the Aquinas deception.

It's clear you desperately want me to be mad re Aquinas (how else explain your constant bringing it up?), but no, I thought you were troll-like long before Aquinas was brought up by me. Any "deception" originates in your ADS belief.

Do you fellows realise this argument has got beyond boring, I'll say it again BORING!, who cares what a writer said centuries ago in a commentary

What I said was you cannot prove a negative. You still don't understand it after all this time. Sometimes I wonder why I bother with you at all.First of all, you certainly can prove a negative. I can prove, for instance, that there is not an adult African elephant sitting on the couch in my living room. A person can very easily prove that some statement is not in a body of text. But even at that, it has been very patiently explained to you that you are not being asked to do that. You're just afraid to answer. At any rate, I've already answered the question for you. We can affirmatively say that at no time in the Gospels did Jesus say He was cancelling judgment day.


I have always ignored you since I started to and continue to do so. Every so often, I look at your posts and decide to jump in. I do this when you get out of control with your egregious posts.Now THAT is funny. You "always" ignore my posts except, of course, for the many times you don't? Might want to look up the definition of "always". I blocked Tal months ago. I "always" have him blocked and don't regret it a bit. That's why you don't see me responding to him. That is "always" how it works.

Today's example is Winston Marshall. He is a musician. His crime?
The musician was criticised after tweeting support for conservative US journalist Andy Ngo over the weekend. In a now-deleted post, Marshall said he had read Ngo’s “important” book Unmasked: Inside Antifa’s Radical Plan To Destroy Democracy and praised him as a “brave man”. Now to the left, to simply support a book which has, as it's basic premise, an idea which is clearly true, is an unforgivable sin. He has issued the obligatory apology and decided to take some time away from his participation in the group with which he plays.

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/mumford-and-sons-winston-marshall-band-break-111323857.html

On the positive side, Piers Morgan has refused to back down from his view of the ridiculous MM interview. I don't always like PM, but I do like courage. Stick with it, Piers!!

First of all, you certainly can prove a negative. I can prove, for instance, that there is not an adult African elephant sitting on the couch in my living room.

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I certainly think there is an adult asian elephant in your living room. That elephant is you are arguing a negative, all the things Jesus did not say were not written down. The positive is that there will be a judgement day, that is made clear

That elephant is you are arguing a negative, all the things Jesus did not say were not written down.No one has asked what Jesus did NOT say. I asked if there was a comment in the Gospels by Jesus where He DOES SAY there will be no day of judgment. It is not arguing a negative. For instance, "21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again." So rather clearly Jesus made statements to the effect that something would NOT happen.

OR this. "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son." A clear statement where He does say that something does not exist.

You're daft

I guess it's just over your head. Don't worry about it.

I hate circular arguments

I hate circular argumentsYou have missed it altogether. Like I said, don't worry about it. There are some things in life you have to be prepared to think about in order to catch on.

I only think about things I am interested in

The Undergraduate Student Government (USG) Governing Board at the University of Connecticut (UConn ) has condemned its student president, Mike Hernández, because he is supporting campus legislation that would protect free speech rights of students at UConn .

USG Governing Board votes no confidence for student body president | The Daily Campus (https://dailycampus.com/2021/02/28/usg-governing-board-votes-no-confidence-for-student-body-president/)

The bill, which was introduced by sixth semester junior political science and economics double major Isadore Johnson, aims to protect students and their right to freely express their opinions within student government and also at UConn as a whole. Opponents of the bill, however, have argued the legislation gives students a free pass to express casual racism, homophobia and misogyny without consequence, and have expressed concern over Hernández’s support of the bill.

Hernández offense was a single comment he made privately to another student that opined that affirmative action legislation as well as rules forbidding anyone from saying anything "offensive "about minorities is equivalent “to treating minorities like children.”

The board voted 8-1 to condemn Hernández .

Connecticut is the 'Constitution State ' . However It appears that a large percentage of the students at UConn, maybe a majority do not believe in free speech and the First Amendment guarantees .

For today, we have the story of CBS taking some talk show off the air for a couple of days. The offense? The host had the temerity to voice her support of Piers Morgan, the man who has refused to believe the story put forward by Meaghan Markle.


"The CBS talk show canceled its episodes on Monday, March 15, and Tuesday, March 16, according to Deadline (https://deadline.com/2021/03/the-talk-hiatus-sharon-osbourne-controversy-canceled-shows-piers-morgan-1234714187/), to probe further into the heated conversation that occurred last week when co-host Sharon Osbourne defended (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/sharon-osbourne-addresses-piers-morgan-support) her friend Piers Morgan (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/piers-morgan-does-not-believe-meghan-markle-after-leaving-show) after he slammed Meghan Markle (https://www.foxnews.com/category/entertainment/celebrity-news/meghan-markle) for her tell-all interview with Oprah Winfrey."We are committed to a diverse, inclusive and respectful workplace," CBS said in a previous statement to Fox News. "All matters related to the Wednesday episode of 'The Talk' are currently under internal review."

This statement in particular is absolutely hilarious. "We are committed to a diverse, inclusive and respectful workplace." Well, a diverse workplace so long as said diversity toes the party line. "You can have diverse opinions. Just make sure you agree with us!" Evidently CBS cannot see the irony in suspending a talk show for stating an opinion that strays from their own, and then justifying that action of the basis of supporting diversity.

"You can have diverse opinions so long as you agree with us!"

You know you can't dis a brother or a sister

funny I was going to post how Morgan got blacklisted . He dared suggest that he did not believe Markle's account of how the royals treated her .

Yes he dised a person of colour

One thing about PM. He will not issue the obligatory apology and then kiss up to the party line. I frequently don't agree with him, but he is his own man.

Bold prediction il duce is about to be cancelled. Why ? Because All Out Crazy says so . Expect it within 24 hrs

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "After two accounts of sexual assault, four accounts of harassment, the Attorney General’s investigation finding the Governor’s admin hid nursing home data from the legislature & public, we agree with the 55+ members of the New York State legislature that the Governor must resign. https://t.co/jV5dwtuVPr" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1370399977684488196)


King Cuomo actually tried to blame his problems on the cancel culture .

Gov. Cuomo Rejects Calls to Resigns, Says He Won't Bow to 'Cancel Culture' - The New York Times (nytimes.com) (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/12/nyregion/cuomo-resign-congress.html)

Still waiting for the three libs on this site to call for Cuomo to resign. Aren't they the ones who were so outraged by the Kavanaugh situation and wrote about it constantly?

On the issue of sexual assault, it's amazing how liberals cannot see the connection between celebrating a song like WAP, which was performed live on the Grammys last night, and the problems we are experiencing with sexual assault. You can't treat women like sex objects one night and then act surprised when some men take that seriously the next night.

The lyics include this. I cleaned them up, but just use your imagination.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Yeah, you f'in' with some wet arse posse
Bring a bucket and a mop for this wet posse
Give me everything you got for this wet posse

Still waiting for the three libs on this site to call for Cuomo to resign. Aren't they the ones who were so outraged by the Kavanaugh situation and wrote about it constantly?

On the issue of sexual assault, it's amazing how liberals cannot see the connection between celebrating a song like WAP, which was performed live on the Grammys last night, and the problems we are experiencing with sexual assault. You can't treat women like sex objects one night and then act surprised when some men take that seriously the next night.

The lyics include this. I cleaned them up, but just use your imagination.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Yeah, you f'in' with some wet arse posse
Bring a bucket and a mop for this wet posse
Give me everything you got for this wet posse

so what you are saying is that men don't have a mind of their own, they blindly follow the attitudes of a dill

Unlike you evidently, I think porn is a bad idea, and yeah it affects the thoughts of men. Only an idiot would believe otherwise, and you are not an idiot, so get on board.

I don't like porn either it degrades the individual, so where you got that Idea I don't know

From the same place you got the idea that I believed men do not have a mind of their own.

The woke culture is a derivative of Maoism subbing words like race with class ;white for bourgeois ; since 1619 for thousands of years etc you get the cancel culture in a nutshell.
This is direct quotes from Mao's Feb 27,1957 address
ON THE CORRECT HANDLING OF CONTRADICTIONS AMONG THE PEOPLE (marxists.org) (https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-5/mswv5_58.htm)
"The proletarian cultural revolution is aimed not only at demolishing all the old ideology and culture and all the old customs and habits, which, fostered by the exploiting classes, have poisoned the minds of the people for thousands of years, but also at creating and fostering among the masses an entirely new ideology and culture and entirely new customs and habits — those of the proletariat. This great task of transforming customs and habits is without any precedent in human history. As for all the heritage, customs and habits of the feudal and bourgeois classes, the proletarian world outlook must be used to subject them to thoroughgoing criticism. It takes time to clear away the evil habits of the old society from among the people. Nevertheless, our experience since liberation proves that the transformation of customs and habits can be accelerated if the masses are fully mobilized, the mass line is implemented and the transformation is made into a genuine mass movement."


“What should our policy be towards non-Marxist ideas? As far as unmistakable counterrevolutionaries and saboteurs of the socialist cause are concerned, the matter is easy, we simply deprive them of their freedom of speech.”

This great task of transforming customs and habits is without any precedent in human history.Sounds like he was unaware of the establishment of the Christian Church in the first century.

You do know the Chinese don't recognise any culture other than their own?

That very old school Chinese stuff doesn't apply here Tom. Nobody is suppressing or deny YOUR free speech as crazy as it sounds sometimes.


You do know the Chinese don't recognise any cultural other than their own?

Doesn't matter what they recognize...you have to deal with it.

I think Jl doesn't recognise they have a new philosophy it is called wolf warrior, and it hides a big inferiority complex

JL is stuck and I won't say where, but we all know.

That very old school Chinese stuff doesn't apply here Tom. On the contrary ;I think the woke /cancel culture appropriated the cultural revolution from Mao.

So the new right wing hollering points are Mao inspired? Fascinating.

Yes by all means cancel the communist culture

During the height of the Cultural Revolution, Mao called for the young to find and expose the people’s enemies. Red Guards spread across China with Mao's 'Little Red Book' of his quotes . They used that as a reference to determine who was woke in China. It did not matter if the person was a peasant or a prominent pol /influential person. If the woke police determined that person was unworthy ,public humiliation and cancelling followed . Universities were closed, students were sent into the countryside to work and learn from the peasants. People fired, discredited, exiled, destroyed by a politically manipulated mob. Reeducation camps were created .

The only real difference is that America's leftist cultural revolution is more virtual at this point and to date not as violent (although the BLM/Antifa gangs are still maundering .)
Man injured after protester smashes NYC restaurant's outdoor dining setup (nypost.com) (https://nypost.com/2021/03/14/man-injured-after-protester-smashes-nyc-restaurants-outdoor-dining-setup/)

Victims of the cancel culture are still expected to grovel and beg as the victims of Mao's revolution were . Lives and careers destroyed . Businesses ruined .Those targeted are expected to grovel and confess with promises to adopt the leftist agenda.

Tom you are telling them the truth but they won't listen

No more than the righty fringers want the left to roll over for their agenda. Blaming Mao ain't honest.