View Full Version : Trump Plans Nov 3 Election Invalid!
Athos
Sep 17, 2020, 03:01 PM
Trump is planning to have the presidential election on NOV 3 declared invalid. If this surprises you, you haven't been paying attention.
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Because of the new and unprecedented massive amount of unsolicited ballots which will be sent to “voters”, or wherever, this year, the Nov 3rd Election result may NEVER BE ACCURATELY DETERMINED, which is what some want. Another election disaster yesterday. Stop Ballot Madness!
As usual, he couches it in his tweet so he can test the reaction and deny it if necessary. But does anyone doubt that invalidating the election if he loses is exactly what he will do? If the election cannot be determined, Trump will claim/demand he remain in office.
Trump's partner-in-crime Attorney General Barr is the face of the new fascism. He is critical of his own prosecutors who are doing their job, and even went so far as to compare the "state lockdowns as the worst infringement of civil liberties since slavery." Barr badly needs to discover what the reality of slavery was in this country.
Trump desperately needs to win the election or declare it invalid since the alternative for him is prison, and he knows it.
tomder55
Sep 17, 2020, 03:22 PM
I don't see invalid or any of it's derivatives in his tweet . It is you that is suggesting that.
Wondergirl
Sep 17, 2020, 03:27 PM
Trump desperately needs to win the election or declare it invalid since the alternative for him is prison, and he knows it.
I doubt he's thought that far ahead already. Losing is like the American people saying "You're fired," so no more bowing and scraping lackeys around him, no more freebies, no more screaming fans. Power and control will be gone. He'll have to buy his own McDonald's cheeseburgers and fries and egg mcmuffins and Philly cheesesteaks.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eh_iyluWAAEGamY?format=jpg&name=small
Athos
Sep 17, 2020, 03:39 PM
I don't see invalid or any of it's derivatives in his tweet . It is you that is suggesting that.
Trump suggests "the Nov 3 election result may never be determined". What does it suggest to you? As a fervent Trump supporter, you know as well as anyone how Trump acts. He always dog whistles, knowing he will get his point across.
An election not determined will not go the House. That's for ties, not crimes. Trump will charge right in, claiming the presidency is his. From there, there are many options and Trump will consider them all.
Sorry WG, but Trump is terrified of his impending doom in prison. That is a large part, probably the largest part, of his erratic behavior as the election draws closer and closer.
tomder55
Sep 17, 2020, 04:11 PM
Trump suggests "the Nov 3 election result may never be determined".
Bottom line is that this push for mail in ballots is tailor made to extend the vote beyond the Congressionally mandated electoral college vote ;and throw the election into chaos .If anyone is orchestrating a constitutional crisis it is the Dems .
Wondergirl
Sep 17, 2020, 04:48 PM
If anyone is orchestrating a constitutional crisis it is the Dems .
Nope, it's Mother Nature and her Covid-19. What do you suggest instead of mail-in ballots?
tomder55
Sep 17, 2020, 05:27 PM
I intend to go my polling place and vote in person ,in private . I suppose that states that have a history of holding elections by mail in ballot at least have a record of securing the vote . Most of the states that hastily created mail in ballots do not know how to do it . They proved that in the primaries .
You remember the chaos in 2000 when one states results were in question. There will be multiple states this year and there will be chaos and you know it .
Like I said ;The Dems are orchestrating chaos and they are preparing for it . Call these 'peaceful protests ' as dress rehearsal .Here is the bible .
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/how-democrats-are-preparing-post-election-chaos/616255/
and yes they are already preparing the battle field with article like above and posts like this one .
and this
https://www.axios.com/2020-election-gatekeepers-chaos-scenarios-84181512-1fca-4b84-8c10-e95e02e95f61.html
https://www.inquirer.com/politics/election/coronavirus-pa-mail-ballots-2020-election-results-20200522.html
The 5th of November is Guy Fawke's Day commemorating a coup attempt in England. The 3rd of November could be our equivalent . We already KNOW that the election won't end November 3 because some states like North Carolina are accepting mail in ballots past the Nov 3 deadline .NC Nov 6 ;Minn Nov 20 ...BOTH SWING STATES !!!
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/how-to-vote-2020/
There are many articles already (and I previously linked to one ) that suggest that Trump may win on election night. But two weeks later, once all the mail-in ballots are counted, Joe Biden may be declared the winner after all. I was called a conspiracy nut for suggesting it . But both sides are preparing for that . Evita already told Quid to not accept the results on election night . Both Dems and Repubs are telling their people to prepare for the other side's attempt to stealing the election .Lawyers for both sides are already preparing to head to state capitols of disputed states . I see no scenario where this election ends well.
The hard facts mandated are that under federal law, the presidential election must take place on Nov. 3, and the electors chosen on that day must vote on Dec. 14 to select the new president and vice president. These dates can’t be changed without an act of Congress, and the 20th Amendment sets Inauguration Day on Jan. 20.
SCOTUS affirmed the constitutional provisions that the states MUST hold " all elections for Congress and the Presidency on a single day throughout the Union .” Counting un-postmarked mailed ballots that arrive after Election Day would be unconstitutional by this ruling .
Wondergirl
Sep 17, 2020, 05:46 PM
I intend to go my polling place and vote in person ,in private .
What about registered voters who don't wish to stand in a long line with unmasked, clumped-together-in-line fellow voters?
tomder55
Sep 18, 2020, 04:23 AM
too bad !!!! When I see Afghans and Iraqis proudly standing on long lines with the threat of a terrorist attack because they dare vote and listen to that type of whining I am not moved by the issue. Every state has provisions for absentee ballots . They should utilize it if they don't want to go to the polls .
My objection is that states that have no experience with mail in voting are mailing out ballots like they are junk mail coupons whether some one needs them or not . These same people you speak of have no issues standing on line at Walmart, Costco ,or Target. Why can't they keep 6' distance on line at the precincts ? Why are they capable of doing that at the grocery store but not at the polls ?
The election is supposed to be finished except in the case of a recount in a day. It should not be a 6-8 week affair ;and you know already that is going to happen . It will be a disaster that will create a Constitutional crisis . Good Job !!! The Dems want the system destroyed and they have found a convenient excuse to make it happen .....classic Cloward Piven .... overwhelm a system to bring it down .
talaniman
Sep 18, 2020, 06:03 AM
Then we have this...https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/federal-judge-temporarily-blocks-usps-operational-changes-amid-concerns-about-mail-slowdowns-election/ar-BB199zCK?ocid=msedgntp
tomder55
Sep 18, 2020, 06:29 AM
not necessary
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/18/dejoy-suspends-usps-changes-under-pressure-397765
talaniman
Sep 18, 2020, 06:45 AM
"In his decision, Bastian largely granted that request, ordering the Postal Service to reverse any instructions for mail carriers to leave mail behind at postal facilities, to stop requiring trucks to leave at set times regardless of whether the mail is ready and to allow return trips to distribution centers to ensure “timely delivery.”"
A court order is better than taking someone's word.
tomder55
Sep 18, 2020, 07:11 AM
you do realize that court decisions can be appealed ad infinitum . The election is in 6 weeks . IF the decision was to maliciously delay the delivery of ballots , that court case would not deter .
talaniman
Sep 18, 2020, 07:25 AM
The wheels of justice turn slow, and appeals are part of it. The thing is that a light has been shed on the issue and everybody and his lawyer is watching. Sure it could be appealed, but why would they? Or should they?
tomder55
Sep 18, 2020, 07:41 AM
yes why would they when they already decided to delay the reforms
Wondergirl
Sep 18, 2020, 10:56 AM
IF the decision was to maliciously delay the delivery of ballots , that court case would not deter .
If Joyboy DeJoy had not screwed up the postal system and deliveries, this wouldn't have even been a topic to crab about.
jlisenbe
Sep 18, 2020, 01:02 PM
Yeah. Boy that Post Office had such a sterling reputation for efficiency for decades before Trump messed it up. Note: Sarcasm meter pegged.
Trump is planning to have the presidential election on NOV 3 declared invalidWe know that's true because...well, just because!
Athos
Sep 18, 2020, 02:28 PM
If Joyboy DeJoy had not screwed up the postal system and deliveries, this wouldn't have even been a topic to crab about.
It's hard to dismiss the fact that DeJoy was purposely sent to do just that. Screw up the postal system and deliveries. Another Trump appointee who doesn't know a thing about the position he's appointed to. It couldn't be more transparent as Trump gets more desperate daily.
Wondergirl
Sep 18, 2020, 02:44 PM
Yeah. Boy that Post Office had such a sterling reputation for efficiency for decades before Trump messed it up. Note: Sarcasm meter pegged.
Our mail has been faithfully delivered in the early afternoon for years by super-nice mailpersons. My husband's Express Scripts meds have also been delivered a week or so before he's needed those refills. Now we hold our breath. Thank goodness we don't live in a swing state!
jlisenbe
Sep 18, 2020, 02:57 PM
It's hard to dismiss the fact that DeJoy was purposely sent to do just that.Yet another wild accusation with zero evidence.
As to the Post Office, they signed a two day delivery contract with Amazon that has stretched them to the limit. Never thought I'd see the day when mail would be delivered on Sunday. Want to take a wild guess who was pres when that contract happened?
For us, our mail runs like it always has, and they do a really good job with the two day deliveries. So much for anecdotal accounts.
Wondergirl
Sep 18, 2020, 03:38 PM
As to the Post Office, they signed a two day delivery contract with Amazon that has stretched them to the limit.
Trump hates Bezos because Bezos is richer!
Athos
Sep 18, 2020, 04:22 PM
trump hates bezos because bezos is richer!
lololol
tomder55
Sep 18, 2020, 04:37 PM
or it could be because Bezos owns the rag Washington Compost which never reports fairly on Trump ,and has been the point for the 'resistance '
talaniman
Sep 18, 2020, 04:38 PM
There was enough evidence for a judge to issue an injunction to reverse all tactics that lead to a slowdown of the mail.
tomder55
Sep 18, 2020, 04:53 PM
yawn the left creates the crisis and then projects it onto someone else . If we had the most timely delivery system imagined it would not prevent the coming chaos because the States are not prepared to implement the decisions re mail in voting they made . When those primaries took almost a month to count ;no one said it was because the mail wasn't delivered on time .
paraclete
Sep 18, 2020, 05:30 PM
yawn the left creates the crisis and then projects it onto someone else . If we had the most timely delivery system imagined it would not prevent the coming chaos because the States are not prepared to implement the decisions re mail in voting they made . When those primaries took almost a month to count ;no one said it was because the mail wasn't delivered on time .
You know for a progressive nation, no, progressive is the wrong word, developed nation, it seems you struggle to get the simplest things right. Could it be your emphasis on minimum wages for simple tasks means that if you pay peanuts you get monkeys, or in other words the quality just isn't there. Counting votes doesn't require much, just diligence and integrity and enough people to get the job done quickly. It isn't that you don't have a vast pool of unemployed, it may be they just arn't available. The electoral process is one you have had many years to perfect, and yet you speak of votes not being counted on time. The logistics apparently escape you. Could it be you have just too many elections and this is electoral fatigue, too many officials to be elected, too much attention divided from the important issue of getting the job of governing the country done
talaniman
Sep 18, 2020, 06:04 PM
yawn the left creates the crisis and then projects it onto someone else . If we had the most timely delivery system imagined it would not prevent the coming chaos because the States are not prepared to implement the decisions re mail in voting they made . When those primaries took almost a month to count ;no one said it was because the mail wasn't delivered on time .
Nice spin as usual. We haven't created a crisis. The dufus has, like all the other crisis of chaos and confusion he has created.
tomder55
Sep 19, 2020, 05:49 AM
spin ? The Dems have been constructing their narrative for some time now.I posted the findings of a 'war game ' conducted in June by the Transition Integrity Project that studied what would actually happen if the results were contested or not known for weeks after Election Day. They published their finding this month .
https://paxsims.files.wordpress.com/2020/08/preventing-a-disrupted-presidential-election-and-transition-8-3-20.pdf
Heavy Democrat weighed polls showed Quid with insurmountable leads . That only worked for some time . The pollsters don't want to get burned like they did in 2016 . So the margins have shrunk to the margin of error. They don't want to appear to be like Baghdad Bob again.
So the left shifted the narrative to say that the election won't be decided on Nov 3.And even though Trump will appear to have won ;they should wait weeks for all these mail in ballots to be counted .
Then just like in 2016 they started floating the narrative that Trump won't accept defeat WHEN he loses . It has gone to such absurd lengths to suggest they will need the assistance of the US military to forcibly evict him.
They have also given out the beneficial effects of a delayed decision .How they ultimately get the Presidency by stalling past Jan 20 . Absent a clear winner of the presidential election on Jan 20, the Speaker of the House would serve as Acting President under the current succession law.
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title3-section19&num=0&edition=prelim
jlisenbe
Sep 19, 2020, 06:11 AM
It is all so predictable. There will be at least one "story" a week, characterized in many quarters as "breaking news". It will quietly be thoroughly refuted (refer to the Atlantic article), and any thinking person will accept that, only to be assaulted again mere days later by some other supposedly earth-shattering revelation. It is the hope of those in the liberal media, which is most of the media, that they can provide, not a steady "drip, drip", but rather a constant torrent of stories to make voting for Trump seem to be absurd. You certainly see it here. The story about the 100 shrinks who said Trump was mentally ill. Unable to name any of them, that was then inflated to include every psych on the earth. Or the challenge to name 10 Trump negatives to match 10 positives. See how far that went. The silly contention that a vaccine would not be ready until April which was disproven by the very article which was linked. Or all the scientists who supposedly claimed Trump was guilty of murdering people with the Covid virus.
At some point, something thrown against the wall will have to stick. References to "right-wing loons" doesn't get much done.
talaniman
Sep 19, 2020, 06:23 AM
LOL, like repubs never play silly election tricks or talk crazy conspiracy stuff. That's not even good spin.
jlisenbe
Sep 19, 2020, 08:39 AM
1. Which current tricks or "crazy conspiracy stuff" are your referring to?
2. I wasn't really referring to dems. I was more making a reference to the liberal press who can scarcely conceal their glee at the prospect of an ultra-liberal administration.
talaniman
Sep 19, 2020, 09:20 AM
Like the conservative press isn't head over heels about the dufus. Your first question is covered amply in this forum so no need for repetition.
jlisenbe
Sep 19, 2020, 01:20 PM
Your first question is covered amply in this forum so no need for repetition.What has now become the boringly predictive response. "Oh, I've already covered all of that. You know, back a month ago. Just go back and look it up."
Yeah. Right.
talaniman
Sep 19, 2020, 04:24 PM
I was referring to them all and of course there are many. I've blasted the dufus for most and you've blasted me for being wrong so take your pick. Whatever your favorite one is. Unnamed named sources...up to you. I can only point out that a lot of prominent establishment conservative repubs are switching their votes, publicly and even running commercials.
The dufus cult isn't that popular nor a majority, unlike Obama, who won with a majority twice. He couldn't have been nearly as bad as you say. Even HC didn't lose nearly as bad as you guys make it out to be, and she didn't have Vlad helping her.
You're really gonna need Vlad again. The right wing noise machine may not be loud enough.
paraclete
Sep 19, 2020, 04:43 PM
You're really gonna need Vlad again. The right wing noise machine may not be loud enough.
The left has taken a leaf out of Vlad's book and tried to poison Trump. Maybe Trump does need Vlad to counter the dirty tricks
Athos
Sep 19, 2020, 04:50 PM
The left has taken a leaf out of Vlad's book and tried to poison Trump. Maybe Trump does need Vlad to counter the dirty tricks
The right has taken brain cells out of your skull.
paraclete
Sep 19, 2020, 05:12 PM
The right has taken brain cells out of your skull.
I don't need brain cells to understand that the losers will stop at nothing
Wondergirl
Sep 19, 2020, 05:40 PM
I don't need brain cells to understand that the losers will stop at nothing
Who's losing?
paraclete
Sep 19, 2020, 06:12 PM
Yet to be tested but he who commands media attention is undoubtedly leading
talaniman
Sep 19, 2020, 06:24 PM
I don't need brain cells to understand that the losers will stop at nothing
You don't think winners use dirty tricks to keep what they won...by using dirty tricks?
Wondergirl
Sep 19, 2020, 06:42 PM
Trump today: "If I lose to [Biden], I don't know what I'm going to do – I will never speak to you again. You'll never see me again."
One can only hope -- and pray!
paraclete
Sep 19, 2020, 07:33 PM
finally a bonus from the election of Biden and Trump will get to improve his golf game
tomder55
Sep 20, 2020, 01:04 AM
He'll go back to making $billions
jlisenbe
Sep 20, 2020, 05:09 AM
If Biden loses, then he can redecorate his basement.
Wondergirl
Sep 20, 2020, 10:14 AM
If Biden loses, then he can redecorate his basement.
He's out and about now, and watching you. Beware!
jlisenbe
Sep 20, 2020, 11:41 AM
He went up to his living room???
Athos
Sep 20, 2020, 12:41 PM
He'll go back to making $billions
You mean LOSING $billions - mostly OPM. Plus $25 million in Trump U fines, dozens of failed products like vodka, steak, airline, board game, mortgage company (!), and most notably - CASINOS, a business with a house edge and which is almost impossible to fail in, Trump filed for bankruptcy FIVE times!!!!!!!!!!!!
Before the TV shtick and WH emolument crimes, he was worth about $125 million. He sued the source of the statement but Trump was thrown out of court. No Midas touch, Trump.
Not a bank in America will loan the deadbeat a penny, hence his connection with the Russians and through them Deutsche Bank.
talaniman
Sep 20, 2020, 02:08 PM
There you go Athos, if the dufus loses he can redecorate his jail cell.
jlisenbe
Sep 20, 2020, 06:42 PM
Biden now claims that 200 million have died from COVID.
paraclete
Sep 20, 2020, 07:17 PM
a man of his advanced years gets confused sometimes
jlisenbe
Sep 20, 2020, 07:37 PM
That's pretty confused.
paraclete
Sep 20, 2020, 09:00 PM
Yes but from his point of view it takes less votes to win
tomder55
Sep 21, 2020, 02:23 AM
he was worth about $125 million.
that makes him worth $124 + million more than me .
Forbes estimates his worth @ $2.5 billion after losing more that $600 million this year .
That is a hell of a price to pay for becoming a public servant .Most of the swamp critters become rich by serving aka the emperor . (doing well by doing "good " )
If he loses I'm sure he will work to repair and market his brand .
jlisenbe
Sep 21, 2020, 04:24 AM
Before the TV shtick and WH emolument crimes, he was worth about $125 million. Wishful liberal thinking.
talaniman
Sep 21, 2020, 05:42 AM
that makes him worth $124 + million more than me .
Forbes estimates his worth @ $2.5 billion after losing more that $600 million this year .
That is a hell of a price to pay for becoming a public servant .Most of the swamp critters become rich by serving aka the emperor . (doing well by doing "good " )
If he loses I'm sure he will work to repair and market his brand .
I suspect his "sacrifice to serve his country shtick" was a marketing ploy in the first place to elevate his brand. Purely transactional.
tomder55
Sep 21, 2020, 07:05 AM
His brand was damaged the day he rode down the elevator . Before that he was loved by the Dems ;and Black leaders like Jesse Jackson Al Sharpton. He was a Dem and none of them refused his money .
talaniman
Sep 21, 2020, 07:36 AM
So he changed his hats. That was a marketing decision. He knew the audience he was shooting for. Nobody turns down money. Do you?
jlisenbe
Sep 21, 2020, 07:40 AM
Nobody turns down money.I hope that's not true.
talaniman
Sep 21, 2020, 08:37 AM
I hope that's not true.
Do you turn down donations for you're good causes?
jlisenbe
Sep 21, 2020, 09:06 AM
I don't turn down donations. I would turn down bribes or other dishonest money. I trust you would as well.
talaniman
Sep 21, 2020, 01:52 PM
To the best of my ability to know the money was dishonest. Really hard to tell any more.
Athos
Sep 21, 2020, 02:48 PM
that makes him worth $124 + million more than me .
Forbes estimates his worth @ $2.5 billion after losing more that $600 million this year
Forbes renounced including Trump in its list of richest men.
It took decades to unwind the elaborate farce Trump had enacted to project an image as one of the richest people in America. Nearly every assertion supporting that claim was untrue.
Over time, I have learned that he should not have been on the first three Forbes 400 lists at all. In our first-ever list, in 1982, we included him at $100 million, but Trump was actually worth roughly $5 million—a paltry sum by the standards of his super-monied peers as a spate of government reports and books showed only much later.
After several years on the Forbes List, Trump's financial losses in the 1980s caused him to be dropped from 1990 to 1995, and reportedly obliged him to borrow from his siblings' trusts in 1993;in 2005, The New York Times referred to Trump's "verbal billions" in a skeptical article about Trump's self-reported wealth.
At the time, three individuals with direct knowledge of Trump's finances told reporter Timothy L. O'Brien (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_L._O%27Brien) that Trump's actual net worth was between $150 and $250 million, though Trump then publicly claimed a net worth of $5 to $6 billion. Claiming libel, Trump sued the reporter (and his book publisher) for $5 billion, lost the case, and then lost again on appeal; Trump refused to turn over his unredacted tax returns (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_returns_of_Donald_Trump) despite his assertion they supported his case.
During the O'Brien lawsuit Trump admitted that his sense of financial worth depends on his feelings day-to-day. Asked whether it was really true that his "net worth goes up and down based upon [his] own feelings," here's Trump's weird and bizarre response:
"Yes, even my own feelings, as to where the world is, where the world is going, and that can change rapidly from day to day. Then you have a September 11th, and you don't feel so good about yourself and you don't feel so good about the world and you don't feel so good about New York City. Then you have a year later, and the city is as hot as a pistol. Even months after that it was a different feeling. So yeah, even my own feelings affect my value to myself."
Forbes continues to be shaky re trump's self-proclaimed wealth. Here's an analysis.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2019/05/08/why-we-took-trump-off-the-forbes-400-during-his-decade-of-tax-losses/#5e7fbc8033d9
jlisenbe
Sep 21, 2020, 03:14 PM
OK. Let's see now. The part of the story Athos unsurprisingly left out stated, "No. Trump, stalking around the room, says he's actually worth far more than the $1.7 billion Forbes estimated last year. How much? "Four or five billion dollars." What about liabilities? "I always talk net," says Trump."
So Forbes says Trump is worth 1.7 billion. I'm no math expert, but I would say that's about about 1300% more than the 125 mil you claimed he was worth.
tomder55
Sep 21, 2020, 03:59 PM
Forbes estimate of Trump wealth was published Sept . 8 . and yes it was in net worth .
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2020/09/08/trumps-net-worth-drops-600-million-in-a-year-to-25-billion/#60914c1e2363
including in that drop in wealth is the fact that he has not collected so much as a brass farthing of his Presidential salary . He donates it all.
Wondergirl
Sep 21, 2020, 04:37 PM
including in that drop in wealth is the fact that he has not collected so much as a brass farthing of his Presidential salary . He donates it all.
Yet, the America taxpayers pay for Air Force One use, motorcades, plus whatever other money he needs for his frequent weekend et al. golf fun. What's the current total for all that?
Athos
Sep 21, 2020, 05:01 PM
Forbes estimate of Trump wealth was published Sept . 8 . and yes it was in net worth .
Neither you nor Forbes can verify that since Trump refuses to release his tax returns. Trump has continuously exaggerated his wealth when necessary, and low-balled it when necessary.
By now, all know (or should know) that Trump is a fraud in many ways, including financially.
tomder55
Sep 21, 2020, 05:36 PM
and yet Forbes itemized an impressive list of assets . Are those made up too ?
jlisenbe
Sep 21, 2020, 05:47 PM
He unquestioningly accepted 125 mil. Now that it goes up to 1.7’bil we suddenly need to question it. Hmm.
Athos
Sep 21, 2020, 05:53 PM
and yet Forbes itemized an impressive list of assets . Are those made up too ?
What are his liabilities? Assets without liabilities don't mean anything. And then there's Deutsche Bank and the Russkies.
tomder55
Sep 22, 2020, 04:56 AM
I'll go with Forbes estimates since I have not seen any credible refuting of their work .
jlisenbe
Sep 22, 2020, 05:29 AM
It's amazing we're even having this discussion. "What difference does it really make?"
paraclete
Sep 22, 2020, 06:26 AM
It is the first legitimate income he has made, actually working for a living
jlisenbe
Sep 22, 2020, 07:06 AM
It is the first legitimate income he has made, actually working for a livingProfit realized from developing and growing businesses is income. Ask all the people paying taxes on capital gains.
tomder55
Sep 22, 2020, 07:07 AM
Real Estate development is not a legitimate job ? OK then and that would be opposed to Quid who has spent 47 years getting a government pay check ,and somehow getting rich doing it .
Quid made the comment in the last weeks that he was going to jack up the tax rates for those making over $400,000 /yr .He then said effectively that was more than he ever made in his life .
But his filings for 2017 /2018 was: $11,031,309 and: $4,580,437.
Now that makes sense since he was out of public office in those years and was cashing in . He and his wife made sure they ONLY reported their salaries as Senator/VP and her salary as a teacher during those years he was in office . Was that his only source of income ? Come on ;is that even a serious question ?
He works out of Delaware ;the state wealth travels to because of the lack of transparency . Delaware is the Cayman Islands of the continental US.
https://sunlightfoundation.com/2016/04/06/why-are-there-so-many-anonymous-corporations-in-delaware/
The Bidens have used their home state’s financial privacy laws to shield his real income from public view, by setting up S corporations. He and his wife Jill Biden called them CelticCapri Corp. and Giacoppa Corp. The REAL income of the Bidens goes into the S Corps . The declared income comes FROM the S Corp in the form of distributions . The recipient doesn’t owe Social Security or Medicare taxes on it, nor can the source of revenue be traced.
There is nothing sinister about the strategy Quid used. Arranging one’s affairs to keep taxes low should be everyone's standard practice . The only noteworthy thing about it really is that this was a tax loophole the emperor wanted to do away with while Quid was VP. ;and Quid has often called for the elimination of such loop holes while simultaneously privately supporting them. Turns out that "Middle Class Joe " is actually "Multi-millionaire Joe"
Athos
Sep 22, 2020, 01:47 PM
There is nothing sinister about the strategy Quid used.
I agree.
talaniman
Sep 23, 2020, 09:26 AM
As do I, but I must point out the numerous court settlements the dufus has had in his business dealings with both private and government contract practices, not to mention his bankruptcies, and especially the fact the dufus inherited his start in business from his father, not illegal but merely FACTUAL, while Biden built what he got from scratch.
Quite the contrast, and I don't begrudge the dufus for the benefit of his birthright at all.
tomder55
Sep 23, 2020, 10:28 AM
Biden built what he got from scratch. lol amazing how rich they become doing public service . How is it that for 47 years his declared income was no greater than a few grand more that $400,000 and that included his wife's teaching gig .2017 his DECLARED income (from the S corp distributions so you know it was more ) was over $11 million . No ;he did not build anything . It was the quid pro quos returned . The tangible assets Trump built are easy to find .Quid ? any tangible assets are in China or Ukraine
Athos
Sep 23, 2020, 12:22 PM
lol amazing how rich they become doing public service . How is it that for 47 years his declared income was no greater than a few grand more that $400,000 and that included his wife's teaching gig
2017 his DECLARED income (from the S corp distributions so you know it was more ) was over $11 million . No ;he did not build anything
As ex-VP, he made a bundle writing and speechifying. As did his wife. What's so unusual/surprising?
. It was the quid pro quos returned
Nonsense! Stop channeling the alt-right.
The tangible assets Trump built are easy to find .Quid ? any tangible assets are in China or Ukraine
Trump has an inheritance from Daddy, bail-out money from Daddy, huge losses from a dozen businesses he started, 5 bankruptcies from Trump gambling casinos (only Trump manages to lose money in this industry), and so forth. Trump has two successes - TV show and emoluments as president - the latter illegal. His assets he doesn't want publicized are from Putin and Deutsche Bank. Remember Putin? He's the guy Trump approves of setting bounties on killing American soldiers. Deutsche Bank? His financials are being examined as we speak. Watch out, Donald!
Biden? You have him confused with Trump. Unless you have info re China and Ukraine. None? Ok. That must have been a typo.
jlisenbe
Sep 23, 2020, 02:08 PM
5 bankruptcies from Trump gambling casinos (only Trump manages to lose money in this industry)Took about two minutes to find out how wrong that statement is. TDS at work again.
https://www.worldcasinoindex.com/guide/failed-atlantic-city-casinos/
The great majority are not owned by Trump.
Athos
Sep 23, 2020, 02:37 PM
Took about two minutes to find out how wrong that statement is.
Trump's casinos were constantly in trouble.
His father bought chips to bail him out, he was fined $10 million for money laundering, he went through 5 bankruptcies, he stiffed small contractors almost $9 million by refusing to pay legitimate debts, funded by "junk bonds" his financial management was so bad US banks denied him further credit.
All his casinos went bankrupt. His money losses began when gambling was king in Atlantic City and by the time the recession hit and Pennsylvania started to compete, it was too late for Trump.
jlisenbe
Sep 23, 2020, 02:45 PM
All of that could be true. My reply was to your contention that only Trump managed to lose money in casinos. Not true. Not close to true.
Athos
Sep 23, 2020, 03:03 PM
All of that could be true. My reply was to your contention that only Trump managed to lose money in casinos. Not true. Not close to true.
It was true when all the others were raking in the dough. I forgot how nit-picky you are with words.
jlisenbe
Sep 23, 2020, 07:34 PM
I'm nit-picky with the truth. You should try it. Your comment was plainly false.
paraclete
Sep 23, 2020, 07:53 PM
more argy bargy
Athos
Sep 23, 2020, 07:56 PM
more argy bargy
true.
jlisenbe
Sep 24, 2020, 04:31 AM
Great Reason - Vote for Trump and Against Harris/Biden
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jlisenbe
Sep 24, 2020, 05:02 AM
More "peaceful protests" are taking place in Louisville, Kentucky, and the result is several people, including police, have been shot. This has to stop. It'll be interesting to see if the Harris/Biden ticket makes a strong statement against it. I'm guessing they won't. Do you think they want the "peaceful protesters" vote too much to be critical of them?
tomder55
Sep 24, 2020, 06:52 AM
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talaniman
Sep 24, 2020, 09:43 AM
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